The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote:As I sit in the Las Vegas airport staring at a row of slot machines while waiting to board my connecting flight to Colorado, I realized this is a good time to mention that I'll be out of town visiting friends and family until Sunday. I'll still try to keep up and post my thoughts but I likely won't be as involved as I'd like to be.

Ok, but we might still lynch you!

I just want to give a heads up we are getting a lot of heavy wet snow so we might loss power or internet.

Hey everyone, sorry, wasn't feeling well last night so I went to lie down for a bit before the post and then didn't wake up to do it, and then class this morning, I'll have the post done in a minute.

Night 7 End/Day 8 Start: Double the Killing

With a terrible odour, B. & O. Railroad murdered MP.
MovingPictures has been killed by B. & O. Railroad. Thanks for playing MP!

It is now Day 8. You have 48 hours to lynch TWO people. In addition, votes in this lynch won’t be moveable.

Powers:
1st) Nest Egg (When played, allows the user to hide however much of their money they wish on the space they are currently on. On their next time around the board, they will get $150+their money back if they pass the space, and their money back+$250 and a random power if they land on it. Hiding more money increases the chances of a better power, by allowing the player to choose powers they do not want to get). - Starts at $75
2nd) Windfall (Makes the next amount of money the player who uses this card gets be at least double what it would be, with the possibility of being as high as x5. If used on a hotel payment, the payer pays the normal amount, but the receiver gets 2-5x the listed amount). - Starts at $200
3rd) Own The Block: This power allows you to take control the side of the board of your starting property. In order to use it, you must have BTSC or the cards of your could-have-been teammates of your starting property, and at least 1 card from every other set on that side (meaning 1 of each colour at least, the railroad, and the utility if applicable). Once used, any money that would go to the bank from people landing on such spaces, instead goes to you. - Starts at $200

Board Movements
Updated Board

And the player with Pennsylvania Avenue is taking offers on the property.

RIP MP.

It looks like Nijuukyugou has got some serious loot to be able to land on Illinois and Pacific and be able to afford rent on both.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not surprised.

I was not expecting that at all, and am quite upset.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:RIP MP.

It looks like Nijuukyugou has got some serious loot to be able to land on Illinois and Pacific and be able to afford rent on both.

Pacific doesn't have hotels, so Ninja Bloops wouldn't have to pay that rent.

Pennsylvania RR gained $50 in rent this turn. Since Short Line is still on the market, it looks like one of the living RR's (Reading or B&O) managed to acquire Pennsylvania RR. It also looks like they don't have BTSC yet.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:boo, there are 26 houses on the board, but 8 houses left in the market. That adds up to 34, but I thought there were only 32 houses available?

Hmm, must have been off by 2 on the original count at some point. I'll just take 2 off the market since I'm not sure where that happened (probably got some PMs I checked buying them at the same time and got the count wrong).

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:RIP MP.

It looks like Nijuukyugou has got some serious loot to be able to land on Illinois and Pacific and be able to afford rent on both.

Pacific doesn't have hotels, so Ninja Bloops wouldn't have to pay that rent.

Oh I see.

RIP MP

And wow someone really felt like i needed to take 3 turns huh?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:RIP MP.

It looks like Nijuukyugou has got some serious loot to be able to land on Illinois and Pacific and be able to afford rent on both.

Although you were wrong about the Pacific factor, I'm still very suspicious that five players have now landed on $1000+ hotels and survived. I'm sorry, but if I land on one of those things, my game is over. (I hope I roll an 11 tonight!)

One of my two votes today will be for one of those five people, because one of them is a red or a railroad or just someone with too much money. Too much money! How do you not die when you land on those? Maybe there's a green in there. I don't know.

My other vote today will be going to Turnip Head. I believe he's Water Works despite the arguments against it. Several other people seem to have compelling reasons to think he's a Railroad (unless Keys not being WW debunks that completely, not totally sure on that one). IF my conjecture that MP and zeek were reds (fortified by the fact that zeek, whose role was known to the Utilities, was killed recently by them), then both baddie teams are now in control of a Red Death Hotel. I can't escape the belief that Turnip Head is a baddie, and I'm going to vote for him again.

Are we lynching two people? I just noticed the poll.

Also, sorry TH for not replying yet. Hopefully find time before my family arrive tomorrow morning

HannaK wrote:RIP MP

And wow someone really felt like i needed to take 3 turns huh?

So in the Dutch version I always play at home, we never do this, but apparently there is a rule that you get another turn if you roll doubles so you can ignore this post


And yeah I guess following the money is as good a tactic as any at this moment because it results in a high chance you either lynch a powerful member of a LMS group or a baddie, but Long Con, I do not really get your case against TH, it's basically: I know people have reasons not to think he is bad but I keep suspecting him anyway?

HannaK wrote:

HannaK wrote:RIP MP

And wow someone really felt like i needed to take 3 turns huh?

So in the Dutch version I always play at home, we never do this, but apparently there is a rule that you get another turn if you roll doubles so you can ignore this post


And yeah I guess following the money is as good a tactic as any at this moment because it results in a high chance you either lynch a powerful member of a LMS group or a baddie, but Long Con, I do not really get your case against TH, it's basically: I know people have reasons not to think he is bad but I keep suspecting him anyway?

Well, if you only take my last post and literally no other posts in the game, then yes, that's the case on TH.

The one thing about following the money, or voting for people who have landed on the reds and survived is that according to the records I've been keeping people like DP or DF could have survived but just barely having no big influxes of cash. My records of course are without rent since I don't know who is who so I'm dealing with the bare minimum someone could have just from what I can discern about board movements. I acknowledge the possibility that they could have a lot of money, I'm just saying they could have survived without so much. They could be sitting on the position where the next time a payment is required of them for something they could go bankrupt.

I'm unsure about Turnip Head being a baddie. Part of my problem is I can't remember all the evidence against him for being WW and I never did understand the theory that he's a railroad. But with that said, I have no other suspicions right now. I think some re-reading is in order if I can manage to do it over the holiday.

@boo are we getting an extra day in this day to make up for the holiday? Others may not even want to do that but I thought I would ask anyway. I'm going to have very little time today and tomorrow.

one of what five people LC?

I am one of them, now

IF I land on GO, and don't have any bad luck re Chance/Comm Chest, I can survive another Hotel. I spent nothing except for the Protect, Sabie spent nothing before me. I won $100 in the Sevens, I won LCs $50, and I won $900 for this on Night 6:

13. S~V~S: Started on Vermont Avenue. Moved 2 (1+1) to Just Visiting. 2nd roll = 7 (3+4) moved to Community Chest (got $50 for every other living player from bank)

...and I counted 18 people on the poll that day, but I have not confirmed this from boo. I guess I also have gotten a few small rents from my card, although I have not confirmed that either. But knowing what I had the last time I checked, plus this, I am OK for one more Hotel stay. I hope I get to avoid that and keep camping out, though.

I only survived because I never buy anything. I haven't been keeping up as fully as I should be, but I'll go back and look at TH's posts before deciding today.

juliets wrote:The one thing about following the money, or voting for people who have landed on the reds and survived is that according to the records I've been keeping people like DP or DF could have survived but just barely having no big influxes of cash. My records of course are without rent since I don't know who is who so I'm dealing with the bare minimum someone could have just from what I can discern about board movements. I acknowledge the possibility that they could have a lot of money, I'm just saying they could have survived without so much. They could be sitting on the position where the next time a payment is required of them for something they could go bankrupt.

I'm unsure about Turnip Head being a baddie. Part of my problem is I can't remember all the evidence against him for being WW and I never did understand the theory that he's a railroad. But with that said, I have no other suspicions right now. I think some re-reading is in order if I can manage to do it over the holiday.

@boo are we getting an extra day in this day to make up for the holiday? Others may not even want to do that but I thought I would ask anyway. I'm going to have very little time today and tomorrow.

Might get extended a bit, but I don't think it will be a full day.

juliets wrote:I'm unsure about Turnip Head being a baddie. Part of my problem is I can't remember all the evidence against him for being WW and I never did understand the theory that he's a railroad. But with that said, I have no other suspicions right now. I think some re-reading is in order if I can manage to do it over the holiday.

Juliets, Llama's case for me being Water Works was that I voted for BWT late. This evidence refused to take into account that I was the second person in the game to be suspicious of BWT after Epi and helped get him lynched. I brought this up multiple times, my accusers continued to ignore it. Then LC brought up a new case that I was Water Works because I suspected LoRab. In this scenario, Lorab is a railroad and I knew her role. I mainly debunked this by saying I should have tried to NK her in that case, but I guess it wasn't good enough for LC. Yet he wants to spend one vote on me today, but he also doesn't plan to vote for Lorab. So I suppose even he doesn't believe fully in his own case.

The case for me being a railroad was that Keys was Water Works and knew my role. This has been debunked as well.

So yeah. I've been talked about all game, and nobody is around for the holidays, and we have to lynch 2 people, so I fully expect to get lynched today by a bunch of people who aren't paying attention and just vote for me because they don't have any better ideas. Even though I feel like the cases on me don't even make sense and I've been fighting all game to show this, in addition to doing as much as I can to further the civvie cause. If you read my posts in this game, it's pretty evident that I've had the civvies' best interests in mind all game.

I meant to say rest in peace to MP but my post got sent to time out and I had to rewrite it and forgot.

DFaraday, Day 5:

DFaraday wrote:I don't have a read on TH, but I need to do a reread before the poll closes.

DFaraday, Night 6:

DFaraday wrote:Tomorrow if I have time I'll do a read on TH and see if anything stands out.

DFaraday, Day 8:

DFaraday wrote:I haven't been keeping up as fully as I should be, but I'll go back and look at TH's posts before deciding today.

I tend to get suspicious of people who keep saying they will read the thread and never end up doing it. Hedgeowl did this in Doctor Who for days.

Turnip Head wrote:I meant to say rest in peace to MP but my post got sent to time out and I had to rewrite it and forgot.

Either hit "Back" and it will be there, or refresh & then hit "resend" and your post will be there.

Turnip Head wrote:If I'm doing a quote, my part of the post always disappears when I hit "back" and only the quote is there. I usually "copy" my post to the clipboard, hit preview, then go back and "paste", but I forgot to because I thought the timeout issues was solved. The "back" trick works if I'm using the Quick Reply feature though.

Try the refresh, it saves quotes.

It did with this one when i hit preview.

its very quiet today. Everyone is busy eating

Turnip Head wrote:DFaraday, Day 5:

DFaraday wrote:I don't have a read on TH, but I need to do a reread before the poll closes.

DFaraday, Night 6:

DFaraday wrote:Tomorrow if I have time I'll do a read on TH and see if anything stands out.

DFaraday, Day 8:

DFaraday wrote:I haven't been keeping up as fully as I should be, but I'll go back and look at TH's posts before deciding today.

I tend to get suspicious of people who keep saying they will read the thread and never end up doing it. Hedgeowl did this in Doctor Who for days.

Actually, each time I forgot that I had meant to reread you. But now I have, and I do think you're pretty genuine. The case seems circumstantial at best. I'm not sure whom I will be voting yet.

I will be hardly here the next two days. I'm sorry, life is busy.

I will have to vote tonight< I just don't who yet.

Also busy here, but I'll be checking in tonight. Tomorrow is busy from morning to night, so I won't be around much, maybe checking in on my phone if I get a chance.

I do believe in the case on you, Turnip Head. It's more than just the Lorab thing, I think Llama's points about you are an important factor as well. My suspicion of Lorab as a Railroad is pending what you are. You can bet that I will go after her if you turn out bad.

I'm going to have a look now at which of the Red Five will get my other vote.

Ok, I chose my vote, and it reminds me that someone was asking if I still hold my earlier suspicion of Metalmarsh. I hold it enough to choose him of the five people who have landed on a Red Hotel and survived. S~V~S has a really good reason, what an awesome influx of cash that was for her! Nijuu was second most likely for me to choose.

*votes Turnip Head and Metalmarsh*

Which points specifically from llama's case do you agree with, Long Con?

Long Con wrote:Ok, I chose my vote, and it reminds me that someone was asking if I still hold my earlier suspicion of Metalmarsh. I hold it enough to choose him of the five people who have landed on a Red Hotel and survived. S~V~S has a really good reason, what an awesome influx of cash that was for her! Nijuu was second most likely for me to choose.

*votes Turnip Head and Metalmarsh*

What was that, Day 2 when you originally had that suspicion, how convenient.

Long Con, I have Pennsylvania Ave and earned $1000 from the bank on it this cycle, so I essentially broke even.

I'm down to use one of my votes on Long Con, Marshy. Who are you looking at for this lynch?

Turnip Head wrote:Which points specifically from llama's case do you agree with, Long Con?

This quote works well for me:

thellama73 wrote:The case on Boogs is good.

I think Turnip head is bad, though.

BWT flips bad, I suggest looking at the people who voted for him late in the day.

thellama73 wrote:Now, who is BWT's partner? I would guess someone who voted for him after his lynch became inevitable, after Spacedaisy at least. Maybe Turnip Head of Splintsy-Splints.

Turnip Head singles out Daisy, even though the timing of her vote makes no sense for a teammate. ALso helps that she is not around to defend herself.

Turnip Head wrote:I still feel that this is the sketchiest vote all day, and BWT flipping utility makes it even sketchier to me:

Spacedaisy wrote:I give up. I don't have time to catch up. I honestly don't even know the mechanics of this game. I'm going to roll with a BWT vote.

She hadn't even read the thread. Still managed to vote for BWT.

When I point out this makes no sense, he claims that BWT's lynch was inevitable when he only had four votes. Really?

Turnip Head wrote:I don't think there was a big chance to save BWT yesterday... I felt his lynch was inevitable, like FZ's. Maybe if Metalmarsh had garnered more votes it would have been closer. But it was LC who had the most non-BWT votes, and there was a lot of hesitation to lynch him yesterday.

Whether she's civvie or baddie, Daisy's vote stands out, and needs to be explained.

He pushes this idea for a few posts, when nobody bites, he changes the subject.

Turnip Head wrote:We would need to cross reference all of BWT's suspicions with the players that we know landed on a Utility square (and got rolechecked)

He then pleads a frame-up.

Turnip Head wrote:Looking back at BWT's posts, it seems he killed Black Rock in an attempt to set me up

Other than that he didn't mention suspicion of many players outside of Boogs and Llama, neither of which have been checked by the uties.

Then Epig makes an admittedly elegant case on Boogs. TH immediately agrees.

Turnip Head wrote:I can dig it Epi. Boogs can have his turn in the hot seat. The interaction between him and BWT is weird.

I call him out on changing the subject, as a late BWT voter. He responds.

Turnip Head wrote:I've been a late voter every lynch, and expect the trend to continue.

I was the first person to agree with Epi's original case on BWT, so there's that.

$10 Electric Company

This rather misses the point. It is not the fact that he voted late, but that he voted late for BWT specifically, that is consistent with what a teammate would do.

He bid on Electric Company, although he screwed it up, and his vote gave him a $200 boost. Water Works has the most incentive to bid on Electric Company.

Turnip Head wrote:Well I meant to outbid Boogs on Electric Company but my dumbass didn't increase the bid to $11. So boogs has Electric Company.

Overall, his tone sounds to me like someone who is desperately trying to change the subject to anybody but him. I refuse to let the subject be changed.

Turnip Head wrote:Well I meant to outbid Boogs on Electric Company but my dumbass didn't increase the bid to $11. So boogs has Electric Company.

And there's other posts he made that put together a broad analysis of your behaviour over time that are sensible. It just makes sense to me.

Metalmarsh, I have to admit, I thought Pennsylvania hadn't been landed on because I was going by checking the board images. I see now that Hannah hit you up on her whirlwind tour around the board, and it makes a lot more sense that you could afford the Hotel landing. I can't change my vote, but how about if I say "hey everyone, my reasons for voting Metalmarsh this time were based on erroneous observations!"

So you just quote his case post and offer no analysis. I refuted that case multiple times, Llama never responded to any the counter points I made to it and neither have you. You ignore all my posts refuting the cases against me. You keep regurgitating the same old case that doesn't make sense, and the fact that it exists is apparently enough.

I call bull. You are voting for me because you are being opportunistic. I'm not on your LMS team, so you're hoping I get lynched.

And that case by Llama completely glossed over my involvement in getting BWT lynched, because that fact didn't suit Llama's purposes.

Turnip Head wrote:So you just quote his case post and offer no analysis. I refuted that case multiple times, Llama never responded to any the counter points I made to it and neither have you. You ignore all my posts refuting the cases against me. You keep regurgitating the same old case that doesn't make sense, and the fact that it exists is apparently enough.

I call bull. You are voting for me because you are being opportunistic. I'm not on your LMS team, so you're hoping I get lynched.

Turnip Head wrote:I'm down to use one of my votes on Long Con, Marshy. Who are you looking at for this lynch?

Opportunistic?

Long Con is a threat to me and I think he's a threat to the rest of the civvies as well. I HAVE to be opportunistic right now. There are no other major lynch candidates but myself. If I don't want to die, I need to help find alternatives.

Turnip Head wrote:So you just quote his case post and offer no analysis. I refuted that case multiple times, Llama never responded to any the counter points I made to it and neither have you. You ignore all my posts refuting the cases against me. You keep regurgitating the same old case that doesn't make sense, and the fact that it exists is apparently enough.

I call bull. You are voting for me because you are being opportunistic. I'm not on your LMS team, so you're hoping I get lynched.

I call bull on your "what part of Llama's case do you agree with?" crap. I saw you ask someone that before, and I think it's a way for you to try and pare down a case to certain points that you can individually refute. Well guess what, being able to offer a perfectly Civvie explanation for each little point of a case doesn't make you a Civvie. It's called looking at a pattern of behaviour. I don't really care that you can offer *an* explanation for each little piece of the analysis individually. It doesn't mean I have to believe everything you say about how things possibly could have been going on with the way you play.

I don't understand "opportunistic". Why would I want you out over someone else if I were on an LMS team, you'd be the same level of "ya gots ta go" as everyone else in this game. I am voting you because I strongly believe you are Water Works.

Long COn, you are the one who said this:

Long Con wrote:I think Llama's points about you are an important factor as well.

I asked you to point out which points were an important factor.

And instead of answering my question you just quoted his entire case.

You can't point to any individual point that just makes sense. You're just citing it because it exists.

Just... just go ahead and lynch me. I'm tired of talking in circles. At least once I'm dead I'll be able to enjoy the rest of my vacation. I can't keep defending against points that make no sense, when people refuse to listen.

I want to buy 3 of the houses for sale at $150 each. I would buy more if I could. Now the baby blues can't buy hotels, and if just one more house gets sold, the greens won't have enough to build hotels either.

Turnip Head wrote:Long COn, you are the one who said this:

Long Con wrote:I think Llama's points about you are an important factor as well.

I asked you to point out which points were an important factor.

And instead of answering my question you just quoted his entire case.

You can't point to any individual point that just makes sense. You're just citing it because it exists.

Llama displayed a pattern of behaviour for you that made sense for you being Water Works. You want individual points because any individual point is exactly NOT a pattern. It's not about points, it's about building up a whole, it's a holistic view of Turnip Head.

I'm honoured that you think that my opinion alone is going to get you lynched. A trifle overdefensive, given that what I have seen is more people sympathize with you than accuse you. I hope I'm wrong.

And Llama's "pattern of behavior", his "building up of a whole" as you say, left out all of the points that went against his theory. His case was not whole at all. He only pointed out the things that he wanted to, to make his case look better. He made no mention of my involvement with BWT's lynch or the fact that my late vote means nothing in context.

But if you don't care about any of that, I understand. I'm not on your team, so you won't shed any tears at my wrongful lynch.

And I'm worried I'll be lynched simply because nobody else was discussed today, and we have to vote for 2 people. I have a feeling people will use their second vote on me simply because I've been the center of discussion for so long. Call it overdefensive if you want... I have no idea what that even means... is being overdefensive a baddie tactic? People have been at my throat all game. If I'm being overdefensive, it's because I've been overaccused.