The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Who should I vote for?

Dom in answer to your question ... I am not sure what is shocking to you?

Scotty.

MacDougall wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Who should I vote for?

Dom in answer to your question ... I am not sure what is shocking to you?

Scotty.

But you aren't.

MacDougall wrote:I voted m8

Sloonei wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I voted m8

Why'd you do that?

MacDougall wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I voted m8

Why'd you do that?

I have a scum read of him.

Sloonei wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I voted m8

Why'd you do that?

I have a scum read of him.

What actions of his gave you this scum read?

MacDougall wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I voted m8

Why'd you do that?

I have a scum read of him.

What actions of his gave you this scum read?

I already made posts friend.

Glorfindel wrote:I have some recollection of someone expressing concern at my vote at the end od Day 3 so I'm happy to address that matter here. By the time I got on here, EoD was imminent and after skimming the recent posts at that time, the leading wagons were Elohcin and LoRab with a minor wagon on Sprityo. I wanted my vote to count for something and felt compelled to make a judgement between Elohcin and LoRab. Whilst the result turned out well for us, I never really could see the validity of the argument against Elohcin (I thought the assertion that she NK'd Epi on the basis of their personal relationship - two mature, intelligent long term members of this site unable to separate their Mafia gaming activities - to be frankly bordering on the absurd) and I was enamoured by Sloonei's case against LoRab and placed my vote accordingly. Without having checked back, I'm certain that I said as much at the time I voted.

Clearly, I was wrong about Elohcin and in retrospect (after reading LoRab's comprehensive defence) am beginning to feel I may have been wrong about her too. I am still however, firmly convinced that Sloonei is Town and that he may have just mistaken on that occasion - it happens to the best of us.

I'm off to dinner, be back shortly.

motel room wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:I have some recollection of someone expressing concern at my vote at the end od Day 3 so I'm happy to address that matter here. By the time I got on here, EoD was imminent and after skimming the recent posts at that time, the leading wagons were Elohcin and LoRab with a minor wagon on Sprityo. I wanted my vote to count for something and felt compelled to make a judgement between Elohcin and LoRab. Whilst the result turned out well for us, I never really could see the validity of the argument against Elohcin (I thought the assertion that she NK'd Epi on the basis of their personal relationship - two mature, intelligent long term members of this site unable to separate their Mafia gaming activities - to be frankly bordering on the absurd) and I was enamoured by Sloonei's case against LoRab and placed my vote accordingly. Without having checked back, I'm certain that I said as much at the time I voted.

Clearly, I was wrong about Elohcin and in retrospect (after reading LoRab's comprehensive defence) am beginning to feel I may have been wrong about her too. I am still however, firmly convinced that Sloonei is Town and that he may have just mistaken on that occasion - it happens to the best of us.

I'm off to dinner, be back shortly.

Do you always talk like this, dragonslayer?

Sloonei wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I voted m8

Why'd you do that?

I have a scum read of him.

What actions of his gave you this scum read?

I already made posts friend.

Where are they? Why did you ask who you should vote for if your mind was already made up?

Glorfindel wrote:

motel room wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:I have some recollection of someone expressing concern at my vote at the end od Day 3 so I'm happy to address that matter here. By the time I got on here, EoD was imminent and after skimming the recent posts at that time, the leading wagons were Elohcin and LoRab with a minor wagon on Sprityo. I wanted my vote to count for something and felt compelled to make a judgement between Elohcin and LoRab. Whilst the result turned out well for us, I never really could see the validity of the argument against Elohcin (I thought the assertion that she NK'd Epi on the basis of their personal relationship - two mature, intelligent long term members of this site unable to separate their Mafia gaming activities - to be frankly bordering on the absurd) and I was enamoured by Sloonei's case against LoRab and placed my vote accordingly. Without having checked back, I'm certain that I said as much at the time I voted.

Clearly, I was wrong about Elohcin and in retrospect (after reading LoRab's comprehensive defence) am beginning to feel I may have been wrong about her too. I am still however, firmly convinced that Sloonei is Town and that he may have just mistaken on that occasion - it happens to the best of us.

I'm off to dinner, be back shortly.

Do you always talk like this, dragonslayer?

Talk like what, my friend?

OK, I'm out for the day. Will check back when I can...

Sloonei wrote:While I'm on board with this lynch, I don't want to see votes pile on INH without any discussion. Why are we all voting for him? Who would we vote for if he wasn't there? Who would we not vote for?

MacDougall wrote:Who should I vote for?

Dom in answer to your question ... I am not sure what is shocking to you?

Scotty wrote:Just looking at the polls of the past few days, my biggest suspicion lies with Wilgy. I'm glad I didn't replace him, because I think he is bad, whereas The role I was given is not.

Note: I haven't read people's manifestos since day 1 when Scotty 1.0 was lynched, but I will try my best to catch up

Scotty wrote:I'm actually not going to comb through most of Day 2. I wish the poll thread had the order of the votes, but Wilgy's vote parallels with Elo.

Hard to do a voting analysis unless I spend an hour comparing time stamps from 30 pages ago, and my time is limited as a toddler's vocabulary is limited.

motel room wrote:Do you always talk like this, dragonslayer?

indiglo wrote:So here's the deal - no one thinks I'm suspicious because of any actual content. Yet people still find me suspicious for "reasons". It makes no sense, it's either blatantly pushing an agenda, or just a foolish waste of time. There is absolutely nothing for me to say or defend against here, it's just a whole bunch of nothing.

indiglo wrote:Or #3 (the actual reason). She got tired of trying because 3J didn't listen to anything she said anyway, so decided her valuable time and energy would be better spent elsewhere.

I have other internet games I can play, after all.

LoRab wrote:So, you still suspect me, but you can't go after me why, exactly? I have mixed feelings about you. You run hot and cold for me. You aren't my top suspect right now. Because it will look bad? See previous answer. Because you don't think you can get a bandwagon going right now? You sure do love making me say things I didn't say, don't you?

Why exactly do you think I am bad?
I don't think you're bad. I don't think you're good either. Look up the word ambivalence in the dictionary, why don't you. I'll wait.

This is also the third BS leading question you've asked me, and you've only gotten through four!

Also, you never answered any of my posts where I defended myself. Nor have you answered any of my posts which accused you--other than saying that I suspected you for reasons that had nothing to do with what I suspected you for.

I'm sorry that I haven't responded to every post you've made. If I have time to circle back and address your old suspicions of me after addressing everyone else's new suspicions of me, I'll do so. But I only have so much mafia time in the day, and I already have a ton of BS to sift through.

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:Why is JJJ confirmed good?

I mean, I think he looks pretty good regardless but isn't there a baddie that can survive their first NK attempt?

I had the tiniest bit of doubt about his confirmed status, but the host post says "Johnny the Boy" attempted to kill him, so that's a pretty strong confirmation.

You replaced sprityo, who was read as scum by 5 out of the 5 players who did the GTH exercise last night. It would have been 6 out of 6 had I been there. How do you feel about that?

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Who should I vote for?

Dom in answer to your question ... I am not sure what is shocking to you?

....you have yet to name a reason why you think I'm bad. You flipped on me with very little reason. This is why you suspect Zebra. Are you going to tell me why you suspect me or are you going to be obtuse?

motel room wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:What do you want from me, Sloonei?

Digging back I found this old classic line.

Putting my vote on insertname for now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

motel room wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

motel room wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:What do you want from me, Sloonei?

Digging back I found this old classic line.

Putting my vote on insertname for now.

Oh damn. I didn't notice that.

I said that in the champs finale and got roasted. I was bad. I haven't personally observed this as a trendy baddie comment, but I know numerous good players who consider it gospel.

I was watching that game, that's where I picked up looking out for it.

He's also employing Why Me defenses (complaining that the case against him also applies to other people). This was another tell that I learned in that tournament.

Starting to feel it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I do think that INH's interactions with Elo looked worse than most. I could potentially get behind it, even if my gut is resisting hard.

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:Why is JJJ confirmed good?

I mean, I think he looks pretty good regardless but isn't there a baddie that can survive their first NK attempt?

I had the tiniest bit of doubt about his confirmed status, but the host post says "Johnny the Boy" attempted to kill him, so that's a pretty strong confirmation.

You replaced sprityo, who was read as scum by 5 out of the 5 players who did the GTH exercise last night. It would have been 6 out of 6 had I been there. How do you feel about that?

Yes, I realize it would mean they would do a massive frame job, yes. It seems far-fetched but I don't like eliminating that possibility from the board.

As for everyone scumreading my predecessor...

He wasn't really around to do anything. JJJ calls it the low hanging fruit and rightfully so. I'm rather busy and don't really know what to answer to in the case of sprityo's faults. Could someone point me in the direction of why they view sprityo as bad and see if I can assuage any fears?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

motel room wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:What do you want from me, Sloonei?

Digging back I found this old classic line.

Putting my vote on insertname for now.

Oh damn. I didn't notice that.

I said that in the champs finale and got roasted. I was bad. I haven't personally observed this as a trendy baddie comment, but I know numerous good players who consider it gospel.

What's the logic behind that attitude / question coming from a more likely mafia than town mindset?

I'll explain my own circumstance from that game for context:

I spent pretty much the entire game under fire from one source, the player coolkid (eventual tournament champion). I fought him at every turn for days and days, never backing down, trying to stay poised under intense pressure. Eventually I dropped that bomb, not realizing it would be a mistake: what do you want from me, man?

It helped change my scenario from "JJJ under pressure" to "JJJ in the noose".

The argument they made against me, which was probably accurate, was that the question represents a sense of desperation wrought of the wrong mindset. They see a baddie who is fighting tooth and nail for every inch of breathing room in the thread, desperate to earn town reads. It was the symbolic cracking of the JJJ eggshell -- no longer was I showing an earnest interest in reading the motivations of my detractor, but instead I was revealing that what I really wanted most was for him to change his mind. That's more scum than town.

insertnamehere wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:He's also employing Why Me defenses (complaining that the case against him also applies to other people). This was another tell that I learned in that tournament.

Starting to feel it.

why do those only come from scum?

insertnamehere wrote:Pardon me for wanting to change people's minds when I'm fighting tooth and nail not to get mislynched by 90% of the damn thread.

I apologize for not being able to write 10 ISO's and 20 analysis posts in the time that I have to spare for mafia. That must mean I'm a shitty player who doesn't have the right priorities, I know. But people are also criticizing me for not addressing every single post written against me, so I'm doomed if I do, doomed if I don't.

Sloonei wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

motel room wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Because I thought Lorab was bad, and I harbored doubts about Elo's alignment.

Is having incorrect opinions now illegal?

insertnamehere wrote:I think it's stupid to think that Lorab voter = scum, but it's also naive to think that there wasn't a last ditch effort from Toecutter's gang to save their eponymous member.

So, I take it you now think LoRab is good?

I still think Sloonei's case makes sense, and I don't think any of my points against her were discredited, but I find it hard to justify going after her head after Elo flipped bad to the bone. So right now my opinion of LoRab is in limbo, and I'd rather target and investigate other suspects.

If you like my LoRab case so much, might I recommend my case against insertnamehere? I think it is every bit as good if not more!

insertnamehere wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

motel room wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Because I thought Lorab was bad, and I harbored doubts about Elo's alignment.

Is having incorrect opinions now illegal?

insertnamehere wrote:I think it's stupid to think that Lorab voter = scum, but it's also naive to think that there wasn't a last ditch effort from Toecutter's gang to save their eponymous member.

So, I take it you now think LoRab is good?

I still think Sloonei's case makes sense, and I don't think any of my points against her were discredited, but I find it hard to justify going after her head after Elo flipped bad to the bone. So right now my opinion of LoRab is in limbo, and I'd rather target and investigate other suspects.

If you like my LoRab case so much, might I recommend my case against insertnamehere? I think it is every bit as good if not more!

I feel like this picture can describe 5 or 6 people in this game

Glorfindel wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:INH, do you think Zebra and Mac are bad?

I dunno. In my eyes, Zebra looks more opportunistic than Mac. Criticizing me for being wishy washy and influencing people in the wrong direction after self-voting and loudly proclaiming her own aggressive ambivalence isn't a good look. Don't get me wrong, I don't think ambivalence isn't some no-fail scumtell, but I consider hypocrisy to be as close as you can get in this game.

Do I want to vote for her D4? I dunno. Ask me on Day 4.

Pretend you have a vigilante shot right now and you must use it on this Night 3. Who gets shot?

Glorfindel. He came into this game very buddy-buddy with you and proceeded to mainly ignore the growing suspicion from your end. I think he still wants to pretend you two are simpatico. Looking at the Lorab voters, he's the one who strikes me to be the hobo hitching a ride on the bandwagon.

Given that there are five LR voters, and I can safely remove myself and Elo from the pool of suspects, that leaves me with Sloonei, Wilgy, and good ol' Glorf.

Sloonei strikes me as sincere, Wilgy is Wilgy being Wilgy like only Wilgy can be, and Glorf has done nothing to dissuade any of my suspicion.

I think it's stupid to think that Lorab voter = scum, but it's also naive to think that there wasn't a last ditch effort from Toecutter's gang to save their eponymous member.

I'd like to take issue with this post on a number of levels. I utterly reject the assertion that I "came into this game very buddy-buddy with you (Jay)". Unlike some others, I do my best to treat everyone I encounter in these games with the utmost respect and Jay is no exception. In the short time we've been playing together, I'm satisfied in his ability to read me accurately and for what it's worth, yes, I do admire him greatly for his ability in these games. Indeed I would assert that your accusing me of this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black:

insertnamehere wrote:THOUGHTS ON PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT RICOCHET OR MAC:

I'm liking Neil Hartley a hell of a lot. I'd really appreciate if his agent, JaggedJimmyJay, could continue booking him for the foreseeable future.

One quote where I post that I like 3J's roleplay does not a buddy make.
As for my LoRab vote at the last EoD, I have addressed this matter in my last post, I trust it will allay your concerns.

I note also that you ranked me in the very middle of your yellow/amber reads on only Day 2 and then after you come under heat from a unanimous GTH reading today, you post this accusation against me. Personally, I don't think this is a particularly good look at all.

Sloonei wrote:To kick off the INH discussion for today, I'll re-open my Day 2 case because he still has not really addressed it.

Spoiler: show

insertnamehere wrote:

motel room wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

motel room wrote:

motel room wrote:

insertnamehere wrote: This.

Rico has set up a very risky system here. He's intentionally put a massive target on his back. If neither Rico or Mac are bad, all the mafia has to do is kill Rico, and they get a free lynch of Mac. This same logic gives Mac a smokescreen to hide behind if he is, in fact, bad. In both scenarios, Rico = Dead N1.

It seems like such a categorically poor move for Rico that it essentially leaves me with two options. A. He has some sort of secret info or an ulterior motive for voting Mac Day 1. B. He knows for sure that the target on his back won't hurt him because he's scum.

Uhhh

Free lunch!

This was from yesterday, on my phone on the train. Epi had the most concise cut-down of the rico\mac bickering and this bloke appeared to piggyback off it, but with an odd confident "two option" stance which I was not a fan of.

Care to elaborate on why you aren't a fan?

Just like, the vibe. Mabo.

Welp.

I do not like either of INH's posts in this exchange. I think the explanation motel room gives initially is sufficient enough to get a follow up response out of INH if he wants to provide one, but instead he just ignores it and asks him to elaborate. To be fair, motel room doesn't really do this, but I still think there's enough there for INH to work with if he really wants to defend himself here. Instead he just sighs and moves on. It gives me a vibe of a player who's not prepared to defend himself against what may be a genuine accusation.

Spoiler: show

insertnamehere wrote:The two people who came out of Day 1 looking worse for me are Elo and Epi, those two lovebirds.

Elo's Scotty vote and "self-preservation" was weird to me. Same thing with Epi's ultimately useless last second switcheroo where he jumped off of the Scotty train mere seconds before it crashed into a wall. I'd really like to see his explanation for his vote because right now it just rings as hollowly opportunistic.

I learned my lesson that time that INH did indeed mean to say "worse" instead of "worst" here, but that still doesn't answer the question of why Epi's vote change on Day 1 was suspicious. I'll quote myself: "he jumped off of the Scotty train mere seconds before it crashed into a wall."But what really gets me about this post is this post later on where he claims to have never called Epi scum. LoRab's response sums it up well enough:

LoRab wrote:You didn't explicitly accuse him, true. But you implied suspicion. And to say, yeah--i didn't really suspect him, and he was just frustrating, quite honestly, doesn't make you look all that good.

Why is INH trying to back away from the reality of his read on Epignosis? I genuinely don't know what he's doing here, but it looks shady and I see no reason for him not to own his suspicion

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Who should I vote for?

Dom in answer to your question ... I am not sure what is shocking to you?

....you have yet to name a reason why you think I'm bad. You flipped on me with very little reason. This is why you suspect Zebra. Are you going to tell me why you suspect me or are you going to be obtuse?

I don't think you are bad.

Quin wrote:Am I the only one who keeps getting 503 errors on the syndicate? If it's a me problem, anyone know how to fix it?

I think there might be *some* issue somewhere, because now the syndicate just won't load anything. Are you aware of any issues with the server, MP? Or is it entirely on my end?

insertnamehere wrote:I just realized that if I'm lynched today, Jay's new meta civ read of me will be: hypocritical new-method-hating player who's easily lynched and says dumb things.

I don't know if I find that more annoying or sickly funny.

Sloonei wrote:Here is his eulogy for Epignosis. I usually perk up when I see things like this. I see it as filler or fluff content, saying something for the sake of saying something. "Oh look, a townie died. For shame, they will be missed." It does nothing. And then what really bugs me is that later on, INH will try to pass this off like it's a substantive, game-related reaction to Epi's death and not just empty words:

insertnamehere wrote:

LoRab wrote:Curious to see what Zebra and INH have to say now that Epi was killed by mafia. And highly unlikely, in a speed game, that mafia would kill one of their own night 1. So....wanting responses there.

I don't believe either me or Zebra called Epi mafia. We just wanted some kind of explanation for his D1 vote, and his pussyfooting around it was aggravating.

Plus, I already responded to his death here:

insertnamehere wrote:Epignosis went out like he played: frustratingly. RIP, and I wish you elected to answer a single question before you left this mortal coil. Guess it doesn't particularly matter now.

There ya go.

Now onto Rico's text wall.

It's pretty clear that LoRab is looking for some sort of analysis out of INH/zebra here, but INH instead says "What do you mean? I already did that!" and links us back to his eulogy. As if that's an analysis. And then we're supposed to move on to the next topic.

insertnamehere wrote:Epignosis went out like he played: frustratingly. RIP, and I wish you elected to answer a single question before you left this mortal coil. Guess it doesn't particularly matter now.

Quin wrote:

Quin wrote:Am I the only one who keeps getting 503 errors on the syndicate? If it's a me problem, anyone know how to fix it?

I think there might be *some* issue somewhere, because now the syndicate just won't load anything. Are you aware of any issues with the server, MP? Or is it entirely on my end?

Going off the past three pages I've read, INH is currently reminding me of a bad marmot in RoTTK who stuck entirely on the defensive when he started taking votes. I'll vote him for now, pending an ISO when my internet sorts itself out.

Sloonei wrote:But wait, there's more!

insertnamehere wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:INH, do you think Zebra and Mac are bad?

I dunno. In my eyes, Zebra looks more opportunistic than Mac. Criticizing me for being wishy washy and influencing people in the wrong direction after self-voting and loudly proclaiming her own aggressive ambivalence isn't a good look. Don't get me wrong, I don't think ambivalence isn't some no-fail scumtell, but I consider hypocrisy to be as close as you can get in this game.

Do I want to vote for her D4? I dunno. Ask me on Day 4.

Pretend you have a vigilante shot right now and you must use it on this Night 3. Who gets shot?

Glorfindel. He came into this game very buddy-buddy with you and proceeded to mainly ignore the growing suspicion from your end. I think he still wants to pretend you two are simpatico. Looking at the Lorab voters, he's the one who strikes me to be the hobo hitching a ride on the bandwagon.

Given that there are five LR voters, and I can safely remove myself and Elo from the pool of suspects, that leaves me with Sloonei, Wilgy, and good ol' Glorf.

Sloonei strikes me as sincere, Wilgy is Wilgy being Wilgy like only Wilgy can be, and Glorf has done nothing to dissuade any of my suspicion.

I think it's stupid to think that Lorab voter = scum, but it's also naive to think that there wasn't a last ditch effort from Toecutter's gang to save their eponymous member.

This post is a bit of a head scratcher and he seems a bit inconsistent. Glorfindel is scum because he's hitching a ride on the LoRab bandwagon. Okay. So are you.
But it's stupid to think that someone who votes for LoRab is scum. Because you did it, and you don't want to be suspected for it? But surely there's somebody on that wagon who's scum. And it must be Glorfindel. I'm not saying that's not a valid suspicion; we should all treat Glorfindel with the same level of skepticism that I am treating INH with right now. But in this post, INH seems to have one foot in both camps. It's not a good idea to call him suspicious for voting LoRab, but it is okay to call Glorfindel suspicious for voting LoRab.

And then this:

insertnamehere wrote:

motel room wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Because I thought Lorab was bad, and I harbored doubts about Elo's alignment.

Is having incorrect opinions now illegal?

insertnamehere wrote:I think it's stupid to think that Lorab voter = scum, but it's also naive to think that there wasn't a last ditch effort from Toecutter's gang to save their eponymous member.

So, I take it you now think LoRab is good?

I still think Sloonei's case makes sense, and I don't think any of my points against her were discredited, but I find it hard to justify going after her head after Elo flipped bad to the bone. So right now my opinion of LoRab is in limbo, and I'd rather target and investigate other suspects.

What points did you make against her, if you don't mind me asking? Because again, and I'm sorry if this is more arrogance from me, it looks like your vote was a complete piggybacking of the case that I made against her. You introduced no new points of your own against her as far as I can see.

Sloonei wrote:That apology probably appears to be unnecessary snark. It is not. The apology is sincere. I don't want to appear like I'm dominated by ego, but it was an observation I couldn't ignore.

Glorfindel wrote:

motel room wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:I have some recollection of someone expressing concern at my vote at the end od Day 3 so I'm happy to address that matter here. By the time I got on here, EoD was imminent and after skimming the recent posts at that time, the leading wagons were Elohcin and LoRab with a minor wagon on Sprityo. I wanted my vote to count for something and felt compelled to make a judgement between Elohcin and LoRab. Whilst the result turned out well for us, I never really could see the validity of the argument against Elohcin (I thought the assertion that she NK'd Epi on the basis of their personal relationship - two mature, intelligent long term members of this site unable to separate their Mafia gaming activities - to be frankly bordering on the absurd) and I was enamoured by Sloonei's case against LoRab and placed my vote accordingly. Without having checked back, I'm certain that I said as much at the time I voted.

Clearly, I was wrong about Elohcin and in retrospect (after reading LoRab's comprehensive defence) am beginning to feel I may have been wrong about her too. I am still however, firmly convinced that Sloonei is Town and that he may have just mistaken on that occasion - it happens to the best of us.

I'm off to dinner, be back shortly.

Do you always talk like this, dragonslayer?

Talk like what, my friend?

OK, I'm out for the day. Will check back when I can...

insertnamehere wrote:

LoRab wrote:So, you still suspect me, but you can't go after me why, exactly? I have mixed feelings about you. You run hot and cold for me. You aren't my top suspect right now. Because it will look bad? See previous answer. Because you don't think you can get a bandwagon going right now? You sure do love making me say things I didn't say, don't you?

Why exactly do you think I am bad?
I don't think you're bad. I don't think you're good either. Look up the word ambivalence in the dictionary, why don't you. I'll wait.

This is also the third BS leading question you've asked me, and you've only gotten through four!

Also, you never answered any of my posts where I defended myself. Nor have you answered any of my posts which accused you--other than saying that I suspected you for reasons that had nothing to do with what I suspected you for.

I'm sorry that I haven't responded to every post you've made. If I have time to circle back and address your old suspicions of me after addressing everyone else's new suspicions of me, I'll do so. But I only have so much mafia time in the day, and I already have a ton of BS to sift through.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:He's also employing Why Me defenses (complaining that the case against him also applies to other people). This was another tell that I learned in that tournament.

Starting to feel it.

why do those only come from scum?

They don't. I think it's scum at a greater-than-random rate though. It's a bad defense, frankly, and the baddie benefit is pretty easy to identify -- it simultaneously weakens an argument against them and directs attention to someone else. It doesn't actually mean they're innocent of anything, or that they actually defended themselves substantively. It's a tactic.