The Syndicate

Mongoose wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:I think this is just a distinction I am missing being newish to this. Is it last player standing (as in they have killed everyone) or specifically just have killed all the other bots and splicers and the civs or baddies are still alive?

No worries. Last Man Standing roles are generally what the name would imply; they have to outlive/kill everyone. Last player alive. These Splicer/Bot roles (NOT Cohen's Splicers) are all now the same, completely rogue and on their own.

Holy crap!

I thought the Bots and Splicers just had to be the last Bot/Splicer standing! So they're all serial killers now?? This is even worse than I thought.

I'm torn on this lynch, and unfortunately I have to vote now before I go to afternoon classes. INH is insanified, and I always feel bad lynching someone who can't defend. Bea seems like she's trying to be helpful and also seems to be role hinting, though I don't get exactly what she's hinting at.

I think they're both good candidates, but I'm going to go with INH this lynch, because his pre-insanification posts didn't add much to the discussion, and I think bea is at least trying in that regard. Very curious to see how this lynch unfolds.

I agree. I find Bea to be sincere and candid in her posts. She's been frank with us.

Let's hope we survive the night!

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You seem so sure that she's been frank with us, or are you just pretending to be sure?

There sure seems to be a lot of people who are sure about Bea being bad, don't you think?

The way I'm reading bea's posts currently is that she's not claiming to be a civvie now, just that she's a threat to Team Adam.

Kate wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:I think this is just a distinction I am missing being newish to this. Is it last player standing (as in they have killed everyone) or specifically just have killed all the other bots and splicers and the civs or baddies are still alive?

No worries. Last Man Standing roles are generally what the name would imply; they have to outlive/kill everyone. Last player alive. These Splicer/Bot roles (NOT Cohen's Splicers) are all now the same, completely rogue and on their own.

Holy crap!

I thought the Bots and Splicers just had to be the last Bot/Splicer standing! So they're all serial killers now?? This is even worse than I thought.

I'm torn on this lynch, and unfortunately I have to vote now before I go to afternoon classes. INH is insanified, and I always feel bad lynching someone who can't defend. Bea seems like she's trying to be helpful and also seems to be role hinting, though I don't get exactly what she's hinting at.

I think they're both good candidates, but I'm going to go with INH this lynch, because his pre-insanification posts didn't add much to the discussion, and I think bea is at least trying in that regard. Very curious to see how this lynch unfolds.

I agree. I find Bea to be sincere and candid in her posts. She's been frank with us.

Let's hope we survive the night!

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You seem so sure that she's been frank with us, or are you just pretending to be sure?

There sure seems to be a lot of people who are sure about Bea being bad, don't you think?

There are, but large groups of us have been wrong before in this game, and I was included in that many many times.

I'm not sure that she's being candid with us, but she's certainly hinting about her frankness. If I believe she is who I think she is, then I don't want her dead.

Honestly, it's hard to trust anyone in this game with so many rogues.

linki - Flyin' High -- Good discernment. I'll take that under advisement for sure if Bea isn't lynched tonight.

Flyin' High wrote:The way I'm reading bea's posts currently is that she's not claiming to be a civvie now, just that she's a threat to Team Adam.

Looking at the powers of the civvies and the powers of Team ADAM it doesn't look like any of the civvies could individually describe themselves as a threat to that team. So if she's seriously saying that then she's also a threat to us by default right?

Bullzeye wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:The way I'm reading bea's posts currently is that she's not claiming to be a civvie now, just that she's a threat to Team Adam.

Looking at the powers of the civvies and the powers of Team ADAM it doesn't look like any of the civvies could individually describe themselves as a threat to that team. So if she's seriously saying that then she's also a threat to us by default right?

I read it more as the vacuum of her character could be disastrous for civvs. I'm re-re-re-reading roles right now.

Flyin' High wrote:The way I'm reading bea's posts currently is that she's not claiming to be a civvie now, just that she's a threat to Team Adam.

Reading team Adam roles, it would seem the only role that would be a threat to them is Fontaine. Is that a role we want alive?

Kate wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:The way I'm reading bea's posts currently is that she's not claiming to be a civvie now, just that she's a threat to Team Adam.

Reading team Adam roles, it would seem the only role that would be a threat to them is Fontaine. Is that a role we want alive?

Another great point!

Query: If she is Fontaine, and Fontaine is the only one that can keep ADAM at bay, do we want to kill her now??

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Kate wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:The way I'm reading bea's posts currently is that she's not claiming to be a civvie now, just that she's a threat to Team Adam.

Reading team Adam roles, it would seem the only role that would be a threat to them is Fontaine. Is that a role we want alive?

Another great point!

Query: If she is Fontaine, and Fontaine is the only one that can keep ADAM at bay, do we want to kill her now??

Lynches can keep ADAM at bay. Since whoever Fontaine is is unlikely to be perfect or know everything, I'd rather not put faith in them to only kill ADAM members. Even if that's what they claim they'll do.

Bullzeye wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Kate wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:The way I'm reading bea's posts currently is that she's not claiming to be a civvie now, just that she's a threat to Team Adam.

Reading team Adam roles, it would seem the only role that would be a threat to them is Fontaine. Is that a role we want alive?

Another great point!

Query: If she is Fontaine, and Fontaine is the only one that can keep ADAM at bay, do we want to kill her now??

Lynches can keep ADAM at bay. Since whoever Fontaine is is unlikely to be perfect or know everything, I'd rather not put faith in them to only kill ADAM members. Even if that's what they claim they'll do.

Good point! I am glad this lynch ends later tonight so I have time to mull this over!

Kate wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:The way I'm reading bea's posts currently is that she's not claiming to be a civvie now, just that she's a threat to Team Adam.

Reading team Adam roles, it would seem the only role that would be a threat to them is Fontaine. Is that a role we want alive?

Ok this forum got interesting today. Fontaine has a 90% base rate for kills! So here's the question, do we make an alliance now to help nk ADAM and then wait to lynch? Basically Fontaine is the same as a rogue bot/splicer, last man standing role, but the most effective.

It's a tough call, but I'm not sure the risk is worth it.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Kate wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:The way I'm reading bea's posts currently is that she's not claiming to be a civvie now, just that she's a threat to Team Adam.

Reading team Adam roles, it would seem the only role that would be a threat to them is Fontaine. Is that a role we want alive?

Ok this forum got interesting today. Fontaine has a 90% base rate for kills! So here's the question, do we make an alliance now to help nk ADAM and then wait to lynch? Basically Fontaine is the same as a rogue bot/splicer, last man standing role, but the most effective.

It's a tough call, but I'm not sure the risk is worth it.

There'd be no way to know that Fontaine was killing ADAM, he could just wipe out civvies. Even he doesn't know what the roles of his targets are, we'd essentially have to trust that a person would be using their best guess as to who baddies were and was right every time. It's a common tactic of these last man standing type roles to say "oh leave me for now I'll only kill baddies I promise".

Kate wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:The way I'm reading bea's posts currently is that she's not claiming to be a civvie now, just that she's a threat to Team Adam.

Reading team Adam roles, it would seem the only role that would be a threat to them is Fontaine. Is that a role we want alive?

Personally I'd rather not keep the roided out super indy last man standing killer alive any longer than physically possible. Fontaine can't win with anyone except Fountaine, right? So what is the point of keeping him alive? Seems silly and slightly game breaking to try to make an alliance with him. Nights are going to be a slaughterhouse already. We don't need Fontaine adding to the meat grinder. Personally, I find it suspicious that people would even consider this.

I'd vote for Bea, if I hadn't already voted for myself.

I agree with Aces. Deals with the devil never work out. Why would someone want to stay in the game just to work for someone else who's win conditions are not the same? What is the benefit there to them to maintaining the alliance?

I think I've been sufficiently convinced about INH. Adding my vote now.

My RL has taken a dive again. I've skimmed, and it looks like I'll still be voting Bea, but after 7 tonight, I should have more time to read up and make my vote.

Matahari wrote:My RL has taken a dive again. I've skimmed, and it looks like I'll still be voting Bea, but after 7 tonight, I should have more time to read up and make my vote.

Matahari wrote:My RL has taken a dive again. I've skimmed, and it looks like I'll still be voting Bea, but after 7 tonight, I should have more time to read up and make my vote.

Hope you are okay!

Kate wrote:I agree with Aces. Deals with the devil never work out. Why would someone want to stay in the game just to work for someone else who's win conditions are not the same? What is the benefit there to them to maintaining the alliance?

If INH is lynched tonight instead of Bea 2.0, I'll definitely consider this for Day 9 vote. I promise I am taking in what you are all saying even if it may seem like I'm not.

Maybe they are both bad. Whichever one escapes unharmed tonight will surely face more scrutiny leading up to the next lynch.

Mongoose wrote:

Kate wrote:I agree with Aces. Deals with the devil never work out. Why would someone want to stay in the game just to work for someone else who's win conditions are not the same? What is the benefit there to them to maintaining the alliance?

If INH is lynched tonight instead of Bea 2.0, I'll definitely consider this for Day 9 vote. I promise I am taking in what you are all saying even if it may seem like I'm not.

Maybe they are both bad. Whichever one escapes unharmed tonight will surely face more scrutiny leading up to the next lynch.

I don't understand. Why would you not vote a confirmed baddie?

Snow Dog wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Kate wrote:I agree with Aces. Deals with the devil never work out. Why would someone want to stay in the game just to work for someone else who's win conditions are not the same? What is the benefit there to them to maintaining the alliance?

If INH is lynched tonight instead of Bea 2.0, I'll definitely consider this for Day 9 vote. I promise I am taking in what you are all saying even if it may seem like I'm not.

Maybe they are both bad. Whichever one escapes unharmed tonight will surely face more scrutiny leading up to the next lynch.

I don't understand. Why would you not vote a confirmed baddie?

Today -- only because I already voted INH, who I also think is bad. Let's just say I was thinking Bea 2.0 is someone different than who Kate et al ferreted her out to be (or who she is implying she is).

Mongoose wrote:

Kate wrote:I agree with Aces. Deals with the devil never work out. Why would someone want to stay in the game just to work for someone else who's win conditions are not the same? What is the benefit there to them to maintaining the alliance?

If INH is lynched tonight instead of Bea 2.0, I'll definitely consider this for Day 9 vote. I promise I am taking in what you are all saying even if it may seem like I'm not.

Maybe they are both bad. Whichever one escapes unharmed tonight will surely face more scrutiny leading up to the next lynch.

I completely agree with this! Whichever one I don't vote for today I will likely be voting for tomorrow. I just keep flipping back and forth between the 2!

AceofSpaces wrote:

Kate wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:The way I'm reading bea's posts currently is that she's not claiming to be a civvie now, just that she's a threat to Team Adam.

Reading team Adam roles, it would seem the only role that would be a threat to them is Fontaine. Is that a role we want alive?

Personally I'd rather not keep the roided out super indy last man standing killer alive any longer than physically possible. Fontaine can't win with anyone except Fountaine, right? So what is the point of keeping him alive? Seems silly and slightly game breaking to try to make an alliance with him. Nights are going to be a slaughterhouse already. We don't need Fontaine adding to the meat grinder. Personally, I find it suspicious that people would even consider this.

I'd vote for Bea, if I hadn't already voted for myself.

Agreed. The likelihood of Bea simply being a strong civ seems unlikely under the circumstances, and if she is indeed an SK there's no sense keeping her around. If she gets lynched I'm still looking at INH for the next day though. *Votes Bea*

In light of the recent discussion I'm gonna not vote INH and instead *Vote Bea*. INH will be next on my list though.

I am preparing to be out for the evening, so voting now. Beajira seems be the known threat whereas I am less sure about inh. Will be interested in his sane discussion the next day.

*Votes Bea*

Unless INh can convince me otherwise, he will definitely be getting my vote tomorrow! But right now bea is the clearer choice.

*votes bea*

EBWOP: INH

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I know random shit from a keyboard when I see it. It looks like this:

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Which I think, in your current language, means, "you're not fooling anybody."

Epignosis wrote:

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I know random shit from a keyboard when I see it. It looks like this:

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Which I think, in your current language, means, "you're not fooling anybody."

Yeah you should have at least written it backwards.

I have voted Bea.

After reading through, I will say that I can't pick up 'baddie speaking' from all of Beas posts. Some of them sound very sincere. But with all that has come out today, and looking at Ajiras style as a baddie, I think Bea should go.

I also agree that INH should be looked at, maybe after he can speak again.

Lots of stuff happening lately. I really don't have time to read much. I'm voting INH.

Good luck any remaining civs and newly rouge players. While I can't say I have the magic list of who is who, I would have actively worked to use my powers on those I most thought was mafia. I'm sure I would have made mistakes, but ya know, gal wants to get in on the kililn' and eventually you have to pick a side for a while to live.

If I were not a member of ADAM and unsure of who to take out during the next night's bloody massacre about to happen, I would take a peek at two distinctive sets of people. Those that seemed to want me lynched very quickly right out of the gate and those who never struggled with the idea that might not be the best target and who seemed to just hop on the "Indi reads bea so well, bea must be bad" voting. I might take a look at people who contributed quite a bit at the beginning of the game, then just kinda dropped off participation wise. Not so much that people would forget mind you, but who suddenly became very good at just echoing what the more vocal players were saying. Any remaining civs and newly rouge players will have to work together to wipe out ADAM at night if they have any hope of winning though. I'm honestly saying, near as I can tell, they've suffered no casualties that I can see and with the addition of Jack and possibly Cohen and his vote manipulating splicers, that's a pretty solid voting block come lynch time.

In the end, I find it ironic in a weird "Wow, I always thought I was pretty good at expressing myself in writing" kind of way that when I was posting the most genuine of my feelings, I was thought to have sounded "insincere" but when I reached the critical breaking point of "Oh, I can't be assed to care this much about a game anymore" and just kinda let saracstagal come out in type my posts "rang true" in the interpretation. This is why I'm amazed at language and how it moves and how intention and interpreted meaning can change so quickly.

Thanks MP for a great game! I know nothing about Bioshock and I really was confused as all get out as bea 1.0. It had been a long time since I was a blind vanllia civ without even back ground knowledge to help me try to juggle some of the mess so that was a fun and eye opening experience. I loved replacing back in and had tons of fun in both my incarnations! Well done Socky!

Ok - I'm voting Bea again as all the cool kids are doing it. Besides, one last self vote from the game of record self votes is fun!

bea wrote: In the end, I find it ironic in a weird "Wow, I always thought I was pretty good at expressing myself in writing" kind of way that when I was posting the most genuine of my feelings, I was thought to have sounded "insincere" but when I reached the critical breaking point of "Oh, I can't be assed to care this much about a game anymore" and just kinda let saracstagal come out in type my posts "rang true" in the interpretation. This is why I'm amazed at language and how it moves and how intention and interpreted meaning can change so quickly.

Very clever swan song.

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:SRDJHNkoisrltjbgdkjgnv bisoduth;lfhkgg;hjsrngv

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I know random shit from a keyboard when I see it. It looks like this:

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Which I think, in your current language, means, "you're not fooling anybody."

Very, very good catch. There can be few good reasons to fake not being able to defend yourself. Also, well done lynch.

Bullzeye wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Wow. Hell of a night.

Boomslang wrote:Oh boy, things are about to get a lot deadlier up in here... RIP, DH.

People have mentioned INH as a possible target, but I'm not getting much of a bad read off of him. He was wrong about Dex, but so was I. His defense against Bullz feels legitimately frustrated as opposed to baddie posturing.

Interesting that his defense against me of all people would seem frustrated, don't you think? Maybe looking for sympathy after how annoyed I was at Dom/Nutella? The case on INH has nothing to do with Dex. In the first few days, he was demonstrably blendy and appeared to be trying to keep under the radar. Then he jumps onto the potential bandwagon against me claiming Bea made a solid case when she didn't even definitely think I was bad. He claimed I looked like I was being coached, which is an odd thing to say of someone who's been playing for as long as I have (or even a couple of months really, nobody needs coaching after their first few games). He never explained that comment despite me asking him to/implying he should do four times. Despite what he said on the matter, I also still think it's weird that he claimed to be following what Bea said and then used Dom's thoughts as the reason to vote for me.

Dom wrote:I think INH, Bullz, Snow Dog, and DFaraday are all good people to discuss today..

You've changed your tune. Again. I think there's more evidence on INH than any of the others you mentioned and will probably be voting for him.

Interesting that instead of questioning why I consider you a suspect again, you try to paint me a little black... NOT what you were doing before...

Like I said, I think that he could be in the new group of baddies/rogues.

First off you're still wrong about me, I'm not bad or independent. I threw out my little observation about your second opinion change to see how you'd react, I did pretty much know why you'd laid off and why you started again but I wanted confirmation of that as well. I kinda have tried to 'paint you black' before as well. Your name was in the list of people I find suspicious that I gave to Bea, I'm sure you can remember the one I mean. I've never actually claimed to trust you and do think there's a possibility of you not being pro-civvie (especially now we've got a bunch of new indies) but I think others need to be dealt with first. I'm going to look back into this movement that's building against Bea but if I don't vote her I'll vote INH.[/quote]

Uth, I lots my post.

Basically, what I wrote boiled down to you seem to think I'm suspicious of me whenever I think you could be bad or think you're a priority. But the second I don't, you seem to change your priorities as well. If I weren't confined to my personal hotspot, I'd do a nice reread of you.


Also, Kate, were you implying that some of those who were *sure* that Bea was bad were her teammates?

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Wow. Hell of a night.

Boomslang wrote:Oh boy, things are about to get a lot deadlier up in here... RIP, DH.

People have mentioned INH as a possible target, but I'm not getting much of a bad read off of him. He was wrong about Dex, but so was I. His defense against Bullz feels legitimately frustrated as opposed to baddie posturing.

Interesting that his defense against me of all people would seem frustrated, don't you think? Maybe looking for sympathy after how annoyed I was at Dom/Nutella? The case on INH has nothing to do with Dex. In the first few days, he was demonstrably blendy and appeared to be trying to keep under the radar. Then he jumps onto the potential bandwagon against me claiming Bea made a solid case when she didn't even definitely think I was bad. He claimed I looked like I was being coached, which is an odd thing to say of someone who's been playing for as long as I have (or even a couple of months really, nobody needs coaching after their first few games). He never explained that comment despite me asking him to/implying he should do four times. Despite what he said on the matter, I also still think it's weird that he claimed to be following what Bea said and then used Dom's thoughts as the reason to vote for me.

Dom wrote:I think INH, Bullz, Snow Dog, and DFaraday are all good people to discuss today..

You've changed your tune. Again. I think there's more evidence on INH than any of the others you mentioned and will probably be voting for him.

Interesting that instead of questioning why I consider you a suspect again, you try to paint me a little black... NOT what you were doing before...

Like I said, I think that he could be in the new group of baddies/rogues.

First off you're still wrong about me, I'm not bad or independent. I threw out my little observation about your second opinion change to see how you'd react, I did pretty much know why you'd laid off and why you started again but I wanted confirmation of that as well. I kinda have tried to 'paint you black' before as well. Your name was in the list of people I find suspicious that I gave to Bea, I'm sure you can remember the one I mean. I've never actually claimed to trust you and do think there's a possibility of you not being pro-civvie (especially now we've got a bunch of new indies) but I think others need to be dealt with first. I'm going to look back into this movement that's building against Bea but if I don't vote her I'll vote INH.

Uth, I lots my post.

Basically, what I wrote boiled down to you seem to think I'm suspicious of me whenever I think you could be bad or think you're a priority. But the second I don't, you seem to change your priorities as well. If I weren't confined to my personal hotspot, I'd do a nice reread of you.


Also, Kate, were you implying that some of those who were *sure* that Bea was bad were her teammates?[/quote]

No I was implying that some people had info.

OK. Just wanted to clear that up.

Can't say I'm disappointed with that result! I'll miss you Bea but I am glad to be rid of a very powerful killer in this game.

Sweet result.

Woot! Good result!

Finally! The B for baddies theory turned out to work in a weird totally unrelated way.

It was fun playing with you Bea. Thanks for subbing in and giving it your all.

Cooly coolz! Bye beajirataine.

Epignosis wrote:

bea wrote: In the end, I find it ironic in a weird "Wow, I always thought I was pretty good at expressing myself in writing" kind of way that when I was posting the most genuine of my feelings, I was thought to have sounded "insincere" but when I reached the critical breaking point of "Oh, I can't be assed to care this much about a game anymore" and just kinda let saracstagal come out in type my posts "rang true" in the interpretation. This is why I'm amazed at language and how it moves and how intention and interpreted meaning can change so quickly.

Very clever swan song.

I particularly look forward to discussing this with you post game. I adore being clever and I need to know exactly where and how I was clever. It happens accidentally more times than you would ever believe.