The Syndicate

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:36 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:32 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:30 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:29 pm What program do you use?

Inspiration

No, that's literally the name of the program.

Oh weird name for a program

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:45 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:43 pm That'd make more sense in "Im wolf, and my teammate here who is also a wolf shares my reads, therefore you not wolf and are town"

I'm too lazy to go get the walter white gif but yeah no that's not how this works. Wolves are encouraged to be differently wrong so that coordination doesn't become obvious.

this reads wifom to me

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:47 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:45 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:37 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:28 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:22 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:55 pm

Aight my reads aren't shit except my Iaafr one, Nutella is just scum

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

please explain what is happening

you are just reposting our read lists and coming to some conclusions without any explanation

I doublechecked my read list against pawn's because I know he's good at reading games, and usually does so fairly truthfully regardless of alignment. His reads agree with mine, and disagree with yours. That says I'm not just playing badly; you're scum.

let me get this straight

pawn's reads make me scum

???????

*confused math lady*

The fact that my reads agree with Pawn's but not yours say that I'm reading the game correctly and you're reading the game incorrectly. Scum have strong reason to read the game incorrectly. Therefore you are either scum or incompetent, and I don't think of you as an incompetent player. Nor have you twigged me as playing unusually badly this game.

This is such garbage lol. Why are pawn's reads "correct" this is so egotistical. And sure maybe my reads are wrong, like I said I'm not feeling very strongly about a lot of them. Give me a goddamn break.

Pawn's reads are correct because he's good at mafia. The fact they largely-but-not-entirely agree with mine also helps.

Cool but why are you staking so much on how well he reads the game. Maybe he's bad and that's why he has good reads. Maybe I'm just not as good at mafia as him and my reads are wrong. Maybe you're both wrong and I'm right. At least step back and consider this because you're being kind of ridiculous.

basing how "good" someone is at mafia is a non linear value

JJJ and Mac and Epi are all good players

it doesnt mean theyre always right

I'm leaving my vote on pawn because this is just making me think he's bad and has pocketed you.

statistically speaking epi is the best player on the forum

but humans are imperfect creatures, yada yada yada

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:51 pm statistically speaking epi is the best player on the forum

but humans are imperfect creatures, yada yada yada

Thanks for the compliment

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:51 pm statistically speaking epi is the best player on the forum

but humans are imperfect creatures, yada yada yada

caveat off this, by stats alone, i am an equal player of mac, which is definitely not true

sprityo's being towny and i remember thinking they were towny before hand despite the post about him worrying about being lynched

ughhhh

what do

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:31 pm

this diagram says I'm misreading this game badly somehow, 'cause either nutella is scum or my reads are shit

leaning towards my reads are shit

I am home and will start going through the thread where I left off this morning -

also this whole thing regardung the charts is like useless

i don't want to shut it down but i really think it's not getting us anywhere

nutella and eva are still both towny to me

Is Pawn some kind of mafia god that always puts out accurate lists on D1? That seems unlikely

Let me just reflect some of your phrasing back at you, Nutella.

"such garbage lol"
"Give me a goddamn break."
"this is so egotistical"
"absurd charts"

Is this or is this not AtE?

Secondly:

"you are just reposting our read lists and coming to some conclusions without any explanation"

This is post #2063.

I had already added a legend in #2049.

Why did you panic so quickly?

In fact, why did you immediately leap to the conclusion that I was going to scumread you when you had apparently only seen my first chart at that point? I could well have shifted my reads towards yours based on this analysis. Again, why the sudden panic?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:22 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:55 pm

Aight my reads aren't shit except my Iaafr one, Nutella is just scum

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

please explain what is happening

you are just reposting our read lists and coming to some conclusions without any explanation

I’m thinking a townie never puts that much effort into saying “I disagree with this other player.”

Looks like the definition of fake effort.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:50 pm I'm leaving my vote on pawn because this is just making me think he's bad and has pocketed you.

"This is incorrect because you two are not on the same team"

You were just saying that it's bullshit regardless of what teams we're on. Why are you acting like you believe it's true?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:56 pm Let me just reflect some of your phrasing back at you, Nutella.

"such garbage lol"
"Give me a goddamn break."
"this is so egotistical"
"absurd charts"

Is this or is this not AtE?

Secondly:

"you are just reposting our read lists and coming to some conclusions without any explanation"

This is post #2063.

I had already added a legend in #2049.

Why did you panic so quickly?

In fact, why did you immediately leap to the conclusion that I was going to scumread you when you had apparently only seen my first chart at that point? I could well have shifted my reads towards yours based on this analysis. Again, why the sudden panic?

It's not ate at all. It's pointing out that your logical is literal nonsense. Please think for yourself.

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:53 pm sprityo's being towny and i remember thinking they were towny before hand despite the post about him worrying about being lynched

ughhhh

what do

i can assure you i am always worried about being lynched being that it happens in frequency

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:56 pm Is Pawn some kind of mafia god that always puts out accurate lists on D1? That seems unlikely

nah he's not that good, but nonetheless he's good enough to signpost by

I'd use Lexi or Nanook as well if either of them had fucking posted

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:50 pm I'm leaving my vote on pawn because this is just making me think he's bad and has pocketed you.

Tbf I haven't posted enough to have really pocketed anyone frankly. And if you say that I tailored my reads list to hers, while being intentionally different from yours?

I'll say you're wrong but I'll take the compliment freely, since that implies that I'm able to see in advance that Eva would go for that read type and specifically engineer the read list off of a list that she had posted like 12 hours before and adjust it for expected changes. Aka I would be a mafia god, and I'm good sure, but I'm not that good.

And as potential scum teammates I still haven't rolled with her sadly, but I like to think I would have held her back from going for something this aggro this early.

Wasn't sudden panic, and that was after I saw you voted for me. My reaction to the first chart was just "what on earth" because I didn't understand and was baffled. It was confusion my dear.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:59 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:50 pm I'm leaving my vote on pawn because this is just making me think he's bad and has pocketed you.

"This is incorrect because you two are not on the same team"

You were just saying that it's bullshit regardless of what teams we're on. Why are you acting like you believe it's true?

....what?

Like I believe what's true?

also I went through and looked at who had never voted

11 people have never voted.
Dom (0-Poster)
Dfaraday (1-poster)
Quin (1-poster)
LLD (3-poster)
Seline (5-poster)
Rej (7-poster)
Trustworthy Liberal (8-poster)

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Texas Cloverleaf (28 Posts)
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Michelle (2 pages of posts)
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sprityo's wagon has the most people i think are villagers but i think that's all it's got going for it

hyena is still villagery to me fwiw though i haven't read anything before this. epignosis' push on hyena seems very omgus'y in a villagery way too

and now I need to go to the university so I'll be away for like an hour

Nutella, please put together an argument that's not just calling my case garbage while I'm away

I was entertaining the possibility that pawn's reads are better than mine since I'm not that confident in mine anyway, and since I already suspect him I figured his reads could be accurate because he's scum

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:02 pm sprityo's wagon has the most people i think are villagers but i think that's all it's got going for it

also has the most people I *cough* don't trust their reads so much *cough*

Not gonna lie, what evenstar is presently doing to nutella looks pretty similar to what she did to mac, the only different being a pretty chart.

ho hum, should i make the comparisons or can someone else who has the energy do it for me?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:28 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:22 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:55 pm

Aight my reads aren't shit except my Iaafr one, Nutella is just scum

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

please explain what is happening

you are just reposting our read lists and coming to some conclusions without any explanation

I doublechecked my read list against pawn's because I know he's good at reading games, and usually does so fairly truthfully regardless of alignment. His reads agree with mine, and disagree with yours. That says I'm not just playing badly; you're scum.

Most your agreed upon scum are just low posters...

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:03 pm Here's something to write. I haven't started mine either, but it's pretty possible to do about 2.5K words in one night, although it doesn't need to be that big either

You don't need to sign up and post your story there, you can PM me and I'll post it for you

If you take out low end posters it’s just Hyena, which is a pretty universal scumread.

[mention]nutella[/mention] ive got time, fuck it ill do it

i want a thank you please once im done making this comparison

Elephant wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:26 pm can someone with more Eva experience (read: has seen her as town) tell me if these absurd charts are a thing she does as town or not

Evenstar produced very convoluted charts to track ITAs in Dragongard, and had another kind of chart on day 1 of the Mafia Championship Finale. They do appear to progress towards less clutter. Evenstar played town-aligned in both games.

These are both town aligned Eva games?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:02 pm and now I need to go to the university so I'll be away for like an hour

Nutella, please put together an argument that's not just calling my case garbage while I'm away

Here's my argument: We have different reads because we are different people? K? Capisce? Comprende?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:06 pm If you take out low end posters it’s just Hyena, which is a pretty universal scumread.

Oh that's right

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:36 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:32 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:30 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:29 pm What program do you use?

Inspiration

No, that's literally the name of the program.

You know how annoying googling code for Caseware iDea is? You get coding ideas for every language under the sun.

I don't really like that Eva won't even consider my perspective here. She was townreading me before and now it's like she just decided to discredit me and when I objected to her logic she just doubled down on it. Not a great look.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:05 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:28 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:22 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:55 pm

Aight my reads aren't shit except my Iaafr one, Nutella is just scum

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

please explain what is happening

you are just reposting our read lists and coming to some conclusions without any explanation

I doublechecked my read list against pawn's because I know he's good at reading games, and usually does so fairly truthfully regardless of alignment. His reads agree with mine, and disagree with yours. That says I'm not just playing badly; you're scum.

Most your agreed upon scum are just low posters...

I explicitly noted in my list that the null posters are null - until they actually have enough content to read.

I think she was more looking at general trends within the upper end, ie those that are both within the rough null + section and seeing that our people within that range all match up fairly well.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:06 pm If you take out low end posters it’s just Hyena, which is a pretty universal scumread.

Hyena is like my top townread lol.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:06 pm @nutella ive got time, fuck it ill do it

i want a thank you please once im done making this comparison

You pocketing me bro?

The chart differences are also easily sorted by Syndicate regulars and not.

The case on Nutella is dumb.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:11 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:06 pm @nutella ive got time, fuck it ill do it

i want a thank you please once im done making this comparison

You pocketing me bro?

i could care less about you trusting me, i just want to show how ridiculous the argument against you is

the only thing i care about at any point in time is not dying

im doing what i can ok?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:06 pm If you take out low end posters it’s just Hyena, which is a pretty universal scumread.

Hyena is like my top townread lol.

With Pawn.

Eva: My reads don’t match Nutella’s.
Reality: Eva and Nutella disagree on a bunch of players one has experience with and the other does not.

Eva: My reads match Pawn’s.
Reality: Eva and Pawn scumread Hyena and the low posters.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:14 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:06 pm If you take out low end posters it’s just Hyena, which is a pretty universal scumread.

Hyena is like my top townread lol.

With Pawn.

Eva: My reads don’t match Nutella’s.
Reality: Eva and Nutella disagree on a bunch of players one has experience with and the other does not.

Eva: My reads match Pawn’s.
Reality: Eva and Pawn scumread Hyena and the low posters.

Yeah I know I was just objecting to you saying he's a universal scumread

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:10 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 2:05 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:28 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:22 pm

Evenstar wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:55 pm

Aight my reads aren't shit except my Iaafr one, Nutella is just scum

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

please explain what is happening

you are just reposting our read lists and coming to some conclusions without any explanation

I doublechecked my read list against pawn's because I know he's good at reading games, and usually does so fairly truthfully regardless of alignment. His reads agree with mine, and disagree with yours. That says I'm not just playing badly; you're scum.

Most your agreed upon scum are just low posters...

I explicitly noted in my list that the null posters are null - until they actually have enough content to read.

I think she was more looking at general trends within the upper end, ie those that are both within the rough null + section and seeing that our people within that range all match up fairly well.

Correction.

Eva: My reads match Pawn’s
Reality: Not fucking even.