The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 4:50 am There is no majority hammer vote.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:44 pm I am now near mathematically confirmed town. Thanks y'all.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:44 pm I am now near mathematically confirmed town. Thanks y'all.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:43 pm Abi and Seanzie townread me. Scotty was working amicably with me. LC I am fairly sure townread me but without stating as much. Michelle pressure voted me but really didn't suspect me.

Meanwhile all game long I've had Creature, Chelsea, Brad, Manny and Lanmisa threatening me existentially at all times and they're all still alive.

There's not a single reasonable argument that I am mafia aside from paranoia.

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:46 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:30 am

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 4:06 am Do other players understand my suspicion on Macdougall?

Not really, try to expand on it pls.
That means also that I forgot overnight what you posted about him and I couldn't yet reread anything being at work, so say it again anyway.

Macdougall made a post saying that it looks like the mafia had not posted yet.

I pointed out that there was already discussion of this topic that they are not referencing.

They responded implying they had missed a few posts.

My issue is that if they haven't read the thread that closely, how can they tell that mafia haven't been posting yet? How can they have townreads on everyone who has posted? So I think their initial post reads as fake.

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:27 pm Alright so I have a tell I like to use where a player does not understand why somebody is being suspected and ends up using different reasoning to try to explain why they are suspected. To me it feels that both MacDougall and TonyStarkPrime have no idea why falcon is suspected and so have defaulted to pointing out their activity, and while technically true, falcon was being voted with reasoning by me this day phase before they were expected to post - activity was not a factor in that read.

So let's go over why Falcon is being suspected and voted today:

First, they were seen visiting Seanzie on night 2. 4 town power roles are dead, and 1 other player (Manny) is claiming a town power role. There is a significant chance that Falcon is an anti-town role due to the number of town power roles we have already seen, and the amount of anti-town power roles that would be remaining. This is the big reason today.

Second, and this ties in with the above a bit, Falcon cannot have the role civilian, of which a significant number of remaining town players will have that role. This also makes Falcon more likely to be anti-town.

Third, as Chelsea pointed out the Seanzie kill was a bit weird. I was personally townreading them but I know a number of people were not, and they were almost eliminated on day 1. Falcon being a mafia role cop makes sense, as Seanzie flipped a power role.

Fourth, their posting today has been really lackluster, and seems like a caught mafia member avoiding giving anything away by arguing with other players.

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Now as per my theory the mafia may find it hard to grasp why their partner is being suspected. Macdougall and TonyStarkPrime have only really engaged with point #4.

In post 1767 viewtopic.php?p=1110604#p1110604 MacDougall says that Falcon is "rand" so not a scumread, at this point the first point above has been discussed quite a bit, but two, three, and four haven't yet. As the day progresses they only engage with point four - Falcon is mafia because they are low posting this day phase and antispew.

In post 2047 viewtopic.php?p=1111030#p1111030 TonyStarkPrime says that it is not a courageous stance for me to be scumreading Falcon. I found this odd as I was the one to bring up points 1 and 2 above. They then go on to only engage with point #4: Falcon is mafia because they are low posting this phase and previous phases (though this call-out to previous phases only happens once the wagon is established on them today).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:39 pm Brad is town via being out of his range.
Chelsea is town because she was one of Abi's top town and Abi wouldn't have been killed in any mafia teams where their top town was mafia.
Dunnstral is just towny af. Along with Lanmisa.
Epi is probably not mafia due to lack of self pres and voting with Falcon d1 off wagon but that's not for sure.
Creature is following his mafia playstyle curve and not solving the way he generally does. He's not exhibiting Creature brand paranoia
Jack is now outed by his day 1 eod vote positioning.
TSP is a bit of an IC here.
Manny has been wolfsiding all game long egregiously.

Upper POE

Epi

Lower POE

Manny
Creature
Jack

Epi is probably Mr House.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:40 pm TSP is maybe a bit nullish.

I'm also spewed town by the way I treated Falcon because I am an efficiency wolf and wouldn't have put him bottom of my POE without actually having an agenda to gain immense cred.

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:27 pm Alright so I have a tell I like to use where a player does not understand why somebody is being suspected and ends up using different reasoning to try to explain why they are suspected. To me it feels that both MacDougall and TonyStarkPrime have no idea why falcon is suspected and so have defaulted to pointing out their activity, and while technically true, falcon was being voted with reasoning by me this day phase before they were expected to post - activity was not a factor in that read.

So let's go over why Falcon is being suspected and voted today:

First, they were seen visiting Seanzie on night 2. 4 town power roles are dead, and 1 other player (Manny) is claiming a town power role. There is a significant chance that Falcon is an anti-town role due to the number of town power roles we have already seen, and the amount of anti-town power roles that would be remaining. This is the big reason today.

Second, and this ties in with the above a bit, Falcon cannot have the role civilian, of which a significant number of remaining town players will have that role. This also makes Falcon more likely to be anti-town.

Third, as Chelsea pointed out the Seanzie kill was a bit weird. I was personally townreading them but I know a number of people were not, and they were almost eliminated on day 1. Falcon being a mafia role cop makes sense, as Seanzie flipped a power role.

Fourth, their posting today has been really lackluster, and seems like a caught mafia member avoiding giving anything away by arguing with other players.

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Now as per my theory the mafia may find it hard to grasp why their partner is being suspected. Macdougall and TonyStarkPrime have only really engaged with point #4.

In post 1767 viewtopic.php?p=1110604#p1110604 MacDougall says that Falcon is "rand" so not a scumread, at this point the first point above has been discussed quite a bit, but two, three, and four haven't yet. As the day progresses they only engage with point four - Falcon is mafia because they are low posting this day phase and antispew.

In post 2047 viewtopic.php?p=1111030#p1111030 TonyStarkPrime says that it is not a courageous stance for me to be scumreading Falcon. I found this odd as I was the one to bring up points 1 and 2 above. They then go on to only engage with point #4: Falcon is mafia because they are low posting this phase and previous phases (though this call-out to previous phases only happens once the wagon is established on them today).

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 12:09 am I think Manny is likely town for having outted seeing Falcon visit. Even thouh Manny wasn't the one to initially push Falcon for it.

Macdougall as I hinted at, I don't think you jumping straight to "mafia killed Scotty" makes sense and it seems you may privy to too much information here.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:05 am

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:27 pm Alright so I have a tell I like to use where a player does not understand why somebody is being suspected and ends up using different reasoning to try to explain why they are suspected. To me it feels that both MacDougall and TonyStarkPrime have no idea why falcon is suspected and so have defaulted to pointing out their activity, and while technically true, falcon was being voted with reasoning by me this day phase before they were expected to post - activity was not a factor in that read.

So let's go over why Falcon is being suspected and voted today:

First, they were seen visiting Seanzie on night 2. 4 town power roles are dead, and 1 other player (Manny) is claiming a town power role. There is a significant chance that Falcon is an anti-town role due to the number of town power roles we have already seen, and the amount of anti-town power roles that would be remaining. This is the big reason today.

Second, and this ties in with the above a bit, Falcon cannot have the role civilian, of which a significant number of remaining town players will have that role. This also makes Falcon more likely to be anti-town.

Third, as Chelsea pointed out the Seanzie kill was a bit weird. I was personally townreading them but I know a number of people were not, and they were almost eliminated on day 1. Falcon being a mafia role cop makes sense, as Seanzie flipped a power role.

Fourth, their posting today has been really lackluster, and seems like a caught mafia member avoiding giving anything away by arguing with other players.

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Now as per my theory the mafia may find it hard to grasp why their partner is being suspected. Macdougall and TonyStarkPrime have only really engaged with point #4.

In post 1767 viewtopic.php?p=1110604#p1110604 MacDougall says that Falcon is "rand" so not a scumread, at this point the first point above has been discussed quite a bit, but two, three, and four haven't yet. As the day progresses they only engage with point four - Falcon is mafia because they are low posting this day phase and antispew.

In post 2047 viewtopic.php?p=1111030#p1111030 TonyStarkPrime says that it is not a courageous stance for me to be scumreading Falcon. I found this odd as I was the one to bring up points 1 and 2 above. They then go on to only engage with point #4: Falcon is mafia because they are low posting this phase and previous phases (though this call-out to previous phases only happens once the wagon is established on them today).

you didn't ask me why falcon was suspected, you asked me why falcon was outed wolf

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:08 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 1:05 am

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:27 pm Alright so I have a tell I like to use where a player does not understand why somebody is being suspected and ends up using different reasoning to try to explain why they are suspected. To me it feels that both MacDougall and TonyStarkPrime have no idea why falcon is suspected and so have defaulted to pointing out their activity, and while technically true, falcon was being voted with reasoning by me this day phase before they were expected to post - activity was not a factor in that read.

So let's go over why Falcon is being suspected and voted today:

First, they were seen visiting Seanzie on night 2. 4 town power roles are dead, and 1 other player (Manny) is claiming a town power role. There is a significant chance that Falcon is an anti-town role due to the number of town power roles we have already seen, and the amount of anti-town power roles that would be remaining. This is the big reason today.

Second, and this ties in with the above a bit, Falcon cannot have the role civilian, of which a significant number of remaining town players will have that role. This also makes Falcon more likely to be anti-town.

Third, as Chelsea pointed out the Seanzie kill was a bit weird. I was personally townreading them but I know a number of people were not, and they were almost eliminated on day 1. Falcon being a mafia role cop makes sense, as Seanzie flipped a power role.

Fourth, their posting today has been really lackluster, and seems like a caught mafia member avoiding giving anything away by arguing with other players.

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Now as per my theory the mafia may find it hard to grasp why their partner is being suspected. Macdougall and TonyStarkPrime have only really engaged with point #4.

In post 1767 viewtopic.php?p=1110604#p1110604 MacDougall says that Falcon is "rand" so not a scumread, at this point the first point above has been discussed quite a bit, but two, three, and four haven't yet. As the day progresses they only engage with point four - Falcon is mafia because they are low posting this day phase and antispew.

In post 2047 viewtopic.php?p=1111030#p1111030 TonyStarkPrime says that it is not a courageous stance for me to be scumreading Falcon. I found this odd as I was the one to bring up points 1 and 2 above. They then go on to only engage with point #4: Falcon is mafia because they are low posting this phase and previous phases (though this call-out to previous phases only happens once the wagon is established on them today).

you didn't ask me why falcon was suspected, you asked me why falcon was outed wolf

What is the difference? Would it have changed your answer?