The Syndicate 2014 Game of Champions [ENDGAME]

#2101

Let me see if I can put it this way:

A large part of the reason I suspect(ed) Made was the support he got from people like Bass, and the closeness of the llama/Made vote.

So when people say they're only willing to look at Made or the llama voters if one or the other flips bad, that makes no sense to me. In order for us to know Made or a llama voter is bad for a fact we would have to pull the trigger on a lynch. But nobody wants to pull a trigger on a lynch until we can confirm Made or anyone who voted for Llama is bad? What?

#2102

I finished my re-read of niju last night and didn't find what I was looking for. In fact, I found that I agree with her on a lot of things. I think two other people expressed some doubt about niju - did you guys find anything in her posts?

I co-hosted a game on the other mafia site where we randomed roles EXCEPT once we randomized if any of the no shows/low shows got important roles we switched them out. They can ruin your game. Wonder why we havent replaced the no shows here with dead civs?

#2103

Interesting night is interesting.

Firstly, I'm only a half-hearted Harry Potter fan, so I had to double-check and there is no horcrux of Voldemort's that represents Lily Potter. But Snape did have a strong connection to her. So I'm inclined to believe that SVS is civ for now.

And Bea, I appreciate your response. I don't take you off of the radar or anything, but it's food for thought.

#2104

I think Timmer's compliment earlier gave me a second wind.

#2105

DharmaHelper wrote: What I'm saying is, according to your logic finding out Made is bad would warrant looking into llama voters. But we KNOW Bass was bad, so why does that not warrant looking into Made?

What's with the

? You said thanks to me saying that's a good idea in this same post.

I never said a single thing about Bass' badness NOT warranting looking into Made. Am I misunderstanding what you're saying here?

You know what else is one complete thought? "I find it odd that this phrase which I hadn't heard before was used twice in one game in such a short time but its nothing I would put a vote behind." That is the double standard I have described.

If that quote stood alone, sure. But that quote came some time after the original mudslinging, something about "twice in one game is funky" as I recall? So, complete thoughts or not, there's no "double standard" because the situations are not similar.

You were all up in my joint about my posts RE: Dom and my posts insisting that I wasn't making a case based on my Misfits comment or my comments to Rey/SVS. And then you go and make the same type of comments. You don't see the irony there?

I have to be honest here, I don't understand. That first sentence is a doozy to read, and even when I do it slowly, I don't fully grasp what you're really saying. I'd be fine with dropping the irony thing if it's not important to you, because I don't want to get bogged down in semantics or whatever. However, if it's a big part of your "case", then by all means, please explain again.

#2106

Yeah, the fact that FIVE players are completely inactive is bothersome.

I can understand, however, why Epig doesn't want to use replacements. Using dead civilians as replacements can get hairy unless they were lynched (and even then), and it is the freaking CHAMPIONS game. The very concept that anyone should be replaced in such a game seems unfair to everyone who is riding it out for the entire game. In addition, if you don't use dead civilians, you'd have to make sure the replacements are people who were eligible to play.

Frankly, I'd be fine with lynching the no shows. It's very un-Champion-like, and who knows? Maybe we'd hit a baddie or two.

#2107

I'd like to hear some opinions from whoever comes around. Who believes this:

DharmaHelper wrote:Close to 90% of my Day 1 antics were a ploy. I was concerned at first that I would be caught out, and the facade ruined (particularly with INH's post, and several posts pointing out how strange and/or funny I had been acting). Yes, a ploy. Built carefully with one goal in mind: The careful observation of the reactions to my plot. One in particular caught my eye. I hinted only once at this falsehood, when I mentioned the sweet irony of the similarity of this game to Misfits mafia.

This being a Championship game, and an opportunity to reflect on our past victories, I decided to play this game (for at least day one) in as much of a contrast to my Misfits game as possible. Where in Misfits I was the rational, careful and plucky manipulator, I decided here to abandon that strategy and go balls out.

One man should have seen through my facade, and did not. I suspect due to his own baddieness. So, my vote will go to Made.

I strikes me as pretty ridiculous. DH decides to play a direct contrast to his Misfits game as a ploy to expose the "one man" who should have "seen through his facade", Made? Who here thinks that's a reasonable thing to expect? This is 100% BS in my opinion, and I'd like to know who agrees or disagrees with me.

#2108

I don't think we should lynch them, but it may come to it down the road. It's very un-Champion like not to turn up for the championship game :P

#2109

It's certainly not a reasonable thing to expect.

I'll vote for DH, Daisy (lol), or any non-poster at this point. Or bea. Because I still feel like she's throwing a lot out there without actually saying much. Willing to give S~V~S the BOTD for now.

#2110

zeek wrote:I don't think we should lynch them, but it may come to it down the road. It's very un-Champion like not to turn up for the championship game :P

I know, right?

I can understand why Epig wouldn't modkill them though, especially since I modkilled so many players in Fight Club (unrecruited civilians... in fact, they ALL were), and it threw off the balance of my game.

#2111

Who is Logan in this game? I'm rereading Snow Dog and saw he mentioned someone named Logan.

#2112

The

thing maybe isn't directed at you so much as it is my frustration regarding the circular logic of the Made scenario.

And the situations *are* similar LC. You made a post, then covered your ass. I made a post, then covered my ass. Where is the difference?

And i'm pretty sure you get what I'm getting at regarding Dom and the Misfits post. You're not dense dude, you know what you did :P

#2113

In fact, if we assume there are still 2 baddies on the Suits and 3 on Sorcerers, it's technically possible that 1 Suit is inactive and that 2 Sorcerers are inactive.

Right?

Or am I forgetting something? I remember seeing Mr. Boddy but not the other.

Of course, it's also possible all 5 of those players are civilians. Lol.

Linki w/ timmer: Logan is Llama.

#2114

Many thanks.

#2115

timmer, I'd be intrigued to see what you get from a reread of Russtifinko if you're appropriately motivated and have the time, since you're doing rereads.

I would, but I'm "doing homework". :P And not necessarily appropriately motivated. Depends on how people vote this lynch.

#2116

Long Con wrote:I'd like to hear some opinions from whoever comes around. Who believes this:

DharmaHelper wrote:Close to 90% of my Day 1 antics were a ploy. I was concerned at first that I would be caught out, and the facade ruined (particularly with INH's post, and several posts pointing out how strange and/or funny I had been acting). Yes, a ploy. Built carefully with one goal in mind: The careful observation of the reactions to my plot. One in particular caught my eye. I hinted only once at this falsehood, when I mentioned the sweet irony of the similarity of this game to Misfits mafia.

This being a Championship game, and an opportunity to reflect on our past victories, I decided to play this game (for at least day one) in as much of a contrast to my Misfits game as possible. Where in Misfits I was the rational, careful and plucky manipulator, I decided here to abandon that strategy and go balls out.

One man should have seen through my facade, and did not. I suspect due to his own baddieness. So, my vote will go to Made.
I strikes me as pretty ridiculous. DH decides to play a direct contrast to his Misfits game as a ploy to expose the "one man" who should have "seen through his facade", Made? Who here thinks that's a reasonable thing to expect? This is 100% BS in my opinion, and I'd like to know who agrees or disagrees with me.

Speaking of word twisting. You really can't help yourself can you?

"Stop twisting my words DH!" *Twists DH words*

"Nice way to cover your ass if Dom flips bad DH!" *covers his own ass in the Made lynch*

"ACTING A LITTLE DEFENSIVE EY REY?" *DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFEEEEEEEEEEEEENSE*

Made was not the *sole* target of the trick. He was the one I felt reacted the most suspiciously. I explained this all ages ago as well. Selective memory?

#2117

Speaking of inactives, Mongoose pretty much qualifies as quasi-inactive, so I'd say there are at least 6 players that aren't acting very Champion like (no offense to Mongoose).

Why can't we lynch one of them instead? I say we start with Hedgeowl.

#2118

It is NOT a rule of Fight Club that people must stand there and say nothing as people beat the fuck out of them. I don't think sabie, reywaS, Lorab, Lizzy, and Hedgeowl understand that.

#2119

That might be fun. Just don't pick me though. It's a bit weird of a tactic for Day 6, but I don't hate it.

Damn son@ DH. That's quite the indicting rebuttal!

I'm home sick from school today

linki - 5 MIA people is a lot of people for Day 6. Have any of them checked in at all?

#2120

Mongoose wrote:That might be fun. Just don't pick me though. It's a bit weird of a tactic for Day 6, but I don't hate it.

Damn son@ DH. That's quite the indicting rebuttal!

I'm home sick from school today

linki - 5 MIA people is a lot of people for Day 6. Have any of them checked in at all?

Hedgeowl has not. At all.

Lizzy did, and self-voted D1, but I think she's practically vanished since then.

sabie similar... I think her last post was N1? Considering she is now in Film Directors, I'm betting she asked for a replacement and just hasn't checked the game again for that reason. But who knows?

Lorab, I honestly can't remember, but it's been at least a few full cycles since she's posted, and she hasn't posted much of anything.

reywaS was relatively active, actually, until he got apparently smiley cursed on D3 was it? But he hasn't been around at least the past two full cycles at all.

Someone would have to check me on those, but I think that's about right.

#2121

Hold on, mind-blowing theory time.

We know there are a crazy amount of MIA people. We also know that at least two of them (Made and Rey) vanished after either posting oddly or in Mades case outright being targeted by the Hatter.

What if *some* of these players are not inactive at all? What if they are otherwise engaged? At a tea party perhaps?

But that leaves one question, who could be the Mad Hatter?

The one person to have absolutely zero contact in-thread (and therefore the longest time spent at the Tea Party)

Patient Zero, Mad Hatter. Hedgeowl.

#2122

With mafia, nothing's real. Everything's far away. Everything's a copy of a copy of a copy.

I love Fight Club

I'll be back later to actually discuss this lynch. Not feeling it today.

linki - sabie post elsewhere today as well.

linki x2 - Holy shit, what a theory!

#2123

It was definitely the Mad Hatter who controlled my voting movement on D2 tho. The PM quoted the book. Surely he couldn't have so many powers.

#2124

My mind just got blown up like it was in the freakin Hurt Locker.

Thanks for the recap on the AWOLs, Sock. That's a bit tedious of a task for me to look up right now (being ill I mean), so I appreciate it.

linki Zeek - Maybe some event was triggered? I keep thinking about Sock's game within a game last year.

#2125

DharmaHelper wrote:Hold on, mind-blowing theory time.

We know there are a crazy amount of MIA people. We also know that at least two of them (Made and Rey) vanished after either posting oddly or in Mades case outright being targeted by the Hatter.

What if *some* of these players are not inactive at all? What if they are otherwise engaged? At a tea party perhaps?

But that leaves one question, who could be the Mad Hatter?

The one person to have absolutely zero contact in-thread (and therefore the longest time spent at the Tea Party)

Patient Zero, Mad Hatter. Hedgeowl.

I'm switching my vote to Hedgeowl now.

#2126

DharmaHelper wrote:Speaking of word twisting. You really can't help yourself can you?

"Stop twisting my words DH!" *Twists DH words*

"Nice way to cover your ass if Dom flips bad DH!" *covers his own ass in the Made lynch*

"ACTING A LITTLE DEFENSIVE EY REY?" *DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFEEEEEEEEEEEEENSE*

Made was not the *sole* target of the trick. He was the one I felt reacted the most suspiciously. I explained this all ages ago as well. Selective memory?

There's nothing indicting or even accurate about this "rebuttal" First, I didn't twist DH's words. He said "One man should have seen through my facade, and did not. I suspect due to his own baddieness. So, my vote will go to Made." How am I supposed to read that and not think there was one target? That's not word-twisting.

And there was nothing I said during the Made thing that was remotely ass-covering, I already went over that, and it wasn't hard to prove.

If you can't see DH's obvious over-the-top antics that are covering false accusations, then try reading his posts again.

#2127

I'll vote for Hedgeowl now because I don't really wanna vote LC or DH and I'm about to take Theraflu, which will basically make me seem like I'm on a serious acid trip.

#2128

Mongoose wrote:I'll vote for Hedgeowl now because I don't really wanna vote LC or DH and I'm about to take Theraflu, which will basically make me seem like I'm on a serious acid trip.

#2129

Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Speaking of word twisting. You really can't help yourself can you?

"Stop twisting my words DH!" *Twists DH words*

"Nice way to cover your ass if Dom flips bad DH!" *covers his own ass in the Made lynch*

"ACTING A LITTLE DEFENSIVE EY REY?" *DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFEEEEEEEEEEEEENSE*

Made was not the *sole* target of the trick. He was the one I felt reacted the most suspiciously. I explained this all ages ago as well. Selective memory?
There's nothing indicting or even accurate about this "rebuttal" First, I didn't twist DH's words. He said "One man should have seen through my facade, and did not. I suspect due to his own baddieness. So, my vote will go to Made." How am I supposed to read that and not think there was one target? That's not word-twisting.

And there was nothing I said during the Made thing that was remotely ass-covering, I already went over that, and it wasn't hard to prove.

If you can't see DH's obvious over-the-top antics that are covering false accusations, then try reading his posts again.

You did twist my words. Never did I say Made was the sole target of the Day 1 trick. He was one of the people I was watching, and that he reacted to it the way he did pointed me into thinking he was bad. But he was not the main target, or the sole target. That is just false.

And you did cover your ass during the Made thing. Although I guess you called it a "clarification post"

#2130

You know what would be an amazing secret? All this Hatter talk made me think of it.

"You cannot post in the thread."

But because of that, you could give the role ridiculous powers.

It just would be a really fun mechanic to try once. Lol.

#2131

DharmaHelper wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Speaking of word twisting. You really can't help yourself can you?

"Stop twisting my words DH!" *Twists DH words*

"Nice way to cover your ass if Dom flips bad DH!" *covers his own ass in the Made lynch*

"ACTING A LITTLE DEFENSIVE EY REY?" *DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFEEEEEEEEEEEEENSE*

Made was not the *sole* target of the trick. He was the one I felt reacted the most suspiciously. I explained this all ages ago as well. Selective memory?
There's nothing indicting or even accurate about this "rebuttal" First, I didn't twist DH's words. He said "One man should have seen through my facade, and did not. I suspect due to his own baddieness. So, my vote will go to Made." How am I supposed to read that and not think there was one target? That's not word-twisting.

And there was nothing I said during the Made thing that was remotely ass-covering, I already went over that, and it wasn't hard to prove.

If you can't see DH's obvious over-the-top antics that are covering false accusations, then try reading his posts again.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, my friend.

You did twist my words. Never did I say Made was the sole target of the Day 1 trick. He was one of the people I was watching, and that he reacted to it the way he did pointed me into thinking he was bad. But he was not the main target, or the sole target. That is just false.

And you did cover your ass during the Made thing. Although I guess you called it a "clarification post"

#2132

Ah, I suppose I already did that with Marla in Fight Club, but that wasn't as conventional a setup as this game. :P

Linki w/ LC: That is the best argument I've ever heard.

#2133

I didn't even think to look in Alice in Wonderland to see if all or some of my PM was there, but now I did and wow, it was from the Mad Hatter! Thanks for the idea zeek! So that just leaves the other curse where I haven't figured out the sender. Still possibly Snape.

Also, since Lily seems to have died out after a day doesn't that argue more for her being a Voldemort horcrux?

MP I will think about your theory but I'm not ready to put a vote there yet.

linki

#2134

I'll fix that:

DharmaHelper wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Speaking of word twisting. You really can't help yourself can you?

"Stop twisting my words DH!" *Twists DH words*

"Nice way to cover your ass if Dom flips bad DH!" *covers his own ass in the Made lynch*

"ACTING A LITTLE DEFENSIVE EY REY?" *DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFEEEEEEEEEEEEENSE*

Made was not the *sole* target of the trick. He was the one I felt reacted the most suspiciously. I explained this all ages ago as well. Selective memory?
There's nothing indicting or even accurate about this "rebuttal" First, I didn't twist DH's words. He said "One man should have seen through my facade, and did not. I suspect due to his own baddieness. So, my vote will go to Made." How am I supposed to read that and not think there was one target? That's not word-twisting.

And there was nothing I said during the Made thing that was remotely ass-covering, I already went over that, and it wasn't hard to prove.

If you can't see DH's obvious over-the-top antics that are covering false accusations, then try reading his posts again.
You did twist my words. Never did I say Made was the sole target of the Day 1 trick. He was one of the people I was watching, and that he reacted to it the way he did pointed me into thinking he was bad. But he was not the main target, or the sole target. That is just false.

And you did cover your ass during the Made thing. Although I guess you called it a "clarification post"

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, my friend.

#2135

juliets wrote:I didn't even think to look in Alice in Wonderland to see if all or some of my PM was there, but now I did and wow, it was from the Mad Hatter! Thanks for the idea zeek! So that just leaves the other curse where I haven't figured out the sender. Still possibly Snape.

Also, since Lily seems to have died out after a day doesn't that argue more for her being a Voldemort horcrux?

MP I will think about your theory but I'm not ready to put a vote there yet.

linki

Ha! Well, it's not my theory, it's actually DH's.

Who knows if I'll actually keep my vote there or not?

But frankly, I'm just sick of this so un-Champion like behavior from certain players! And who knows, we could catch a baddie.

#2136

Woah, so if juliets's curse was the Hatter, then INH couldn't have been the Hatter after all.

#2137

juliets if you think Lily is a horcrux, then wouldn't you vote for S~V~S?

Alright, gotta get stuff done now, serious. Be back later folks!

#2138

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:I'll vote for Hedgeowl now because I don't really wanna vote LC or DH and I'm about to take Theraflu, which will basically make me seem like I'm on a serious acid trip.

They are both defending/arguing their cases like champions and I want to sit back and see how that plays out a bit.

#2139

Long Con wrote:I'll fix that:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Speaking of word twisting. You really can't help yourself can you?

"Stop twisting my words DH!" *Twists DH words*

"Nice way to cover your ass if Dom flips bad DH!" *covers his own ass in the Made lynch*

"ACTING A LITTLE DEFENSIVE EY REY?" *DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFEEEEEEEEEEEEENSE*

Made was not the *sole* target of the trick. He was the one I felt reacted the most suspiciously. I explained this all ages ago as well. Selective memory?
There's nothing indicting or even accurate about this "rebuttal" First, I didn't twist DH's words. He said "One man should have seen through my facade, and did not. I suspect due to his own baddieness. So, my vote will go to Made." How am I supposed to read that and not think there was one target? That's not word-twisting.

And there was nothing I said during the Made thing that was remotely ass-covering, I already went over that, and it wasn't hard to prove.

If you can't see DH's obvious over-the-top antics that are covering false accusations, then try reading his posts again.
You did twist my words. Never did I say Made was the sole target of the Day 1 trick. He was one of the people I was watching, and that he reacted to it the way he did pointed me into thinking he was bad. But he was not the main target, or the sole target. That is just false.

And you did cover your ass during the Made thing. Although I guess you called it a "clarification post"
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, my friend.

Some Motherfucker wrote:Smart players, when mudslinging, will have a way out of it if it comes back on them.

#2140

DharmaHelper wrote:Hold on, mind-blowing theory time.

We know there are a crazy amount of MIA people. We also know that at least two of them (Made and Rey) vanished after either posting oddly or in Mades case outright being targeted by the Hatter.

What if *some* of these players are not inactive at all? What if they are otherwise engaged? At a tea party perhaps?

But that leaves one question, who could be the Mad Hatter?

The one person to have absolutely zero contact in-thread (and therefore the longest time spent at the Tea Party)

Patient Zero, Mad Hatter. Hedgeowl.

You think that people are being silenced in an extended way because they're at the Mad Hatter's tea party? That would be incredibly cruel of Epig.

Hedgeowl has zero posts, right? So, she would have had to be here and unable to post for the entire game. She would have done a Hatter thing the first two nights, and then never again (in the same way)... or there have been more Hatter things going on, just with more subtlety. Maybe, if those tactful people exist, they could just say something like "I think the Hatter's still alive". Otherwise, I think it's more likely that INH was the Hatter.

Neither Rey nor Made was taken away to a Tea Party after outing the Hatter's influence on them - they're both posted much more recently. Posting less, it's true... so maybe the Tea Party is a post limiter? I don't think that's happening. Made? Rey? Comments?

#2141

DharmaHelper wrote:
Long Con wrote:I'll fix that:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Long Con wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Speaking of word twisting. You really can't help yourself can you?

"Stop twisting my words DH!" *Twists DH words*

"Nice way to cover your ass if Dom flips bad DH!" *covers his own ass in the Made lynch*

"ACTING A LITTLE DEFENSIVE EY REY?" *DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFEEEEEEEEEEEEENSE*

Made was not the *sole* target of the trick. He was the one I felt reacted the most suspiciously. I explained this all ages ago as well. Selective memory?
There's nothing indicting or even accurate about this "rebuttal" First, I didn't twist DH's words. He said "One man should have seen through my facade, and did not. I suspect due to his own baddieness. So, my vote will go to Made." How am I supposed to read that and not think there was one target? That's not word-twisting.

And there was nothing I said during the Made thing that was remotely ass-covering, I already went over that, and it wasn't hard to prove.

If you can't see DH's obvious over-the-top antics that are covering false accusations, then try reading his posts again.
You did twist my words. Never did I say Made was the sole target of the Day 1 trick. He was one of the people I was watching, and that he reacted to it the way he did pointed me into thinking he was bad. But he was not the main target, or the sole target. That is just false.

And you did cover your ass during the Made thing. Although I guess you called it a "clarification post"
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, my friend.

Some Motherfucker wrote:Smart players, when mudslinging, will have a way out of it if it comes back on them.

You're not even accusing me of mudslinging.

#2142

MovingPictures07 wrote:Woah, so if juliets's curse was the Hatter, then INH couldn't have been the Hatter after all.

Was juliets talking about an Alice In Wonderland game, or this one?

#2143

MovingPictures07 wrote:Linki w/ LC: That is the best argument I've ever heard.

Thanks.

#2144

We can split hairs all day man, I'm game.

It doesn't just apply to mudslinging. Smart players, when doing anything sketchy, will have a way out. You would know to have a way out of the Made thing. You can't honestly not see the point here, unless you're being willfully blind.

#2145

@LC RE: Hatter

Personally I don't think outting that you got targeted by any role is above board. Logically, Given the string out Hat-Outs, the Hatter would want to be more careful about their curses.

#2146

Here's one for those of you thinking DH is bad.

The Day 1 lynch ended up tied. DH had 7 votes. MetalMarsh had 7 votes. The poll closed at 6:53pm Epig's time.

If we assume DH is bad for a minute, then likely he would have a teammate or two helping him out. And with the knowledge that votes could be changed, help could come at any time.

Well, lookie here.

Snow Dog posted this:

Snow Dog wrote:vOTED BOOMSLANG IN THE END.

at 6:53, meaning he voted one minute before the end of the poll.

But then reversed and posted this two minutes later:

Snow Dog wrote:i CHANGED to MM. Thought better of it and decided to vote Llama. I'm all over the place. Unfortunately the time was up and my vote is still on MM.
Sorry MM.

That was posted two minutes after the poll closed, meaning Snowie voted at literally the last possible second. But he REALLY didn't want to be seen as helping DH, did he? This post reads as the MM vote was a mistake, and golly gee the time expired. Well he KNEW the time was expiring, he has posts talking about how time was running out and he had to make a decision. I don't buy that he swung from Boomslang to MM to llama all in the space of 90 seconds, but oh darn his vote got stuck halfway through the thought process. this reads like a panicked help vote for DH.

Day 2, Snow Dog spends most of the day saying he thinks he'll vote thellama.

Then posts this:

Snow Dog wrote:Ok Llama. i think I am satisfied for now.

Made still not sure about. damn. Made is so easy to suspect but that don't make him bad.

But then 20 minutes before the end of the poll:

Snow Dog wrote:Ok before times runs out. I am trusting Made but I am going back to Llama. He just seems wrong to me. Not super confident with this vote but it's the best I got at the ppresent.

Votes LLama

The only other post he made that mentioned Made was this:

Snow Dog wrote:
Made always looks bad. I know this from the Cars game.

But that night when MP mentioned Snowy and Made, Snowy replied:

Snow Dog wrote:addedndum. I said plenty about Made, MP. don't go making things up now.

He didn't really?

Day 3 he says he thinks DH seems civvie (DH: "But what i read sounds believable")

Day 4 he voted fairly early on for Boomslang, as did DH later. Neither voted for DF.

Day 5, the Bass vs Dom lynch. Both Snowy and DH voted for Dom instead of Bass. So they avoided voting for DF (a suit) and both chose to vote Dom (a Sorcerer) over Bass (a Suit).

So there is a fairly strong correlation between Snowy and DH, and Snowy's last second voting antics on Day 1 suggest a panicked save of DH as well.

#2147

That doesn't look good, but I will say that I am the first to fall on the sword for my team if it comes to it, and have on many occasions advocated against saving me in games for this exact reason. Dunno what was up with Snowy's D1 vote.

#2148

And sable is posting in the film directors game as we speak, which kind of pisses me off.

#2149

Anyway, off to work, will vote later on.

#2150

That mad hatter theory feels off and not right nor fair.

Epi as a host never mk's no posters/voters. I believe every host to be different. I am of the minset of 2-3 days with no posts/votes/use of ability I mk. I feel it is only fair to those playing to kill off no shows/voters etc. why should people playing have to lynch/kill them? its unfair.
I personally think their is a balance betwixt Epi and MP's ways to handle it. (Epi never mk's and MP MK's players who actually are participating) and I feel there should be a participation rule on this site that sets the standard. this arguement is getting old on this site tbqh. Every other place I have played had standard participation rules -it is only fair to those playing.

Ok that made me feel queasier than I did before I started.

I still trust LC slightly more than DH only bc DH's arguements have a circular feel to them.
I do feel he could be indy.

I did not like Snow Dog using SVS as an excuse for his vote. It felt scummy and just placing the blame for his vote at her feet. I would ask Snow to let me know if she physically forced him to vote that way? If no than you must take responsilbility for your OWN vote.

Mongoose - your game feels slippery - something I usually only associate with Timmer when he is bad. You are not adding any original thoughts. Her last post explaining why she did not want to vote for either DH or LC felt slippery. You realize we are all champions and ALL deserve to play but at some point you are going to have to state who you find suspicious and why. Your vote for Hedge based on a one post theory without questioning is sending up all sorts of red flags for me.

MP - you were another that was leaping to vote Hedge on a one post theory without even questioning it was weird. But at least you posted about why you felt the way you do. I still think it quite a cop out for a Day 6 vote. You may as well random your vote

Who killed spacedaisy...I mean, of course you know. Should he die?