[END] Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)

#2101

Is anyone really reading JJJ's posts? If so, I applaud you. No offense, but I can't read those novel long posts. I'd much rather you tell me what you think of each player and why. But I guess you really don't care what I prefer :P Just trying to explain why I'm not replying to those posts.

linki: Thanks Bullzeye...and Epi. I'm starting to think I was really wrong about you, and though I'm the last person who should apologize to you :P I do.

#2102

I would say that analysis makes espers look significantly worse.

#2103

What is the argument for a Russ lynch?

linki: I'm reading his post and waiting for one about me :P

#2104

FZ. wrote:Is anyone really reading JJJ's posts? If so, I applaud you. No offense, but I can't read those novel long posts. I'd much rather you tell me what you think of each player and why. But I guess you really don't care what I prefer :P Just trying to explain why I'm not replying to those posts.

That's the point. I don't know exactly what I think of anyone until I have completed the analysis.

None of these are predetermined. I work through them and develop my perspective literally as I type out my thoughts. Once it's all on the screen I can decide my overall feelings -- and I might as well share everything.

#2105

If you don't want to read my long posts (anyone), I always leave my final conclusion at the bottom. It's like a sentence.

#2106

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:Yeah I think FZ has raised a decent point about Russ, and I can't see any other explanations, so I will be *Voting Russti*
Whaddya think of my reviews of Diiny and Devin, which returned a number of pings for me?

Having just read them, I think they're decent. Particularly good regarding Devin - I'm not sure how you can like someone's point and then suddenly not see it. Could be as you describe it, fake involvement. As for Diiny, I love how he was always reading LC but never putting in a vote - in your read did he ever explain why one wasn't warranted?

How strongly do you feel about these two? What do you think of Russti?

#2107

FZ. wrote:Is anyone really reading JJJ's posts? If so, I applaud you. No offense, but I can't read those novel long posts. I'd much rather you tell me what you think of each player and why. But I guess you really don't care what I prefer :P Just trying to explain why I'm not replying to those posts.

linki: Thanks Bullzeye...and Epi. I'm starting to think I was really wrong about you, and though I'm the last person who should apologize to you :P I do.

I would be doing them myself, but I'm working on something else right now.

And yes, I deserve no apologies.

#2108

While re-reading a bit I realized I forgot to comment on this:

Strawhenge wrote:Okay, back in it. Also this is the first time since the game started that I'm actually listening to Talking Heads. Like, IRL. Remain In Light at the moment. More Songs About Buildings and Food is next. Man, this band... Regrettably I always seem to forget how damn fuckin' cool they are. Even the overplayed hits like 'Once In a Lifetime' and 'Psycho Killer' are so good. Dang. Sorry, had to get RYM there for a second. Oh wait, what am I talking about. People don't praise music on RYM.

I'm in the same boat as you here, it's been forever since I last listened to Talking Heads and this game made me rediscover my love for them. Fear of Music has been on repeat for me. And LOL at the underlined part, that observation is sadly too true.

Back on topic, I'm curious what Wilgy has to say about this incoming Russ bandwagon.

#2109

Rbzmncaeaei wrote:I would say that analysis makes espers look significantly worse.

If you mean his vote, I agree. Assuming I'm right about Russ, and the mafia went with what I think they did, then another mafia member would spread his vote elsewhere. He voted llama after LC voted bcornett, and either way, that's a cop out vote.

linki: Will reply after

#2110

Rbzmncaeaei wrote:While re-reading a bit I realized I forgot to comment on this:
Strawhenge wrote:Okay, back in it. Also this is the first time since the game started that I'm actually listening to Talking Heads. Like, IRL. Remain In Light at the moment. More Songs About Buildings and Food is next. Man, this band... Regrettably I always seem to forget how damn fuckin' cool they are. Even the overplayed hits like 'Once In a Lifetime' and 'Psycho Killer' are so good. Dang. Sorry, had to get RYM there for a second. Oh wait, what am I talking about. People don't praise music on RYM.
I'm in the same boat as you here, it's been forever since I last listened to Talking Heads and this game made me rediscover my love for them. Fear of Music has been on repeat for me. And LOL at the underlined part, that observation is sadly too true.

Back on topic, I'm curious what Wilgy has to say about this incoming Russ bandwagon.

He already said my theory is bad.

#2111

I know, but I'm curious to see how he will respond to the fact that you are far from the minority at this point. I myself am completely on the fence with Russ right now, so I need help deciding.

#2112

Oooooooohhhhhhhhh HUH BAby you can walk, you can talk JUST like me. /jumps around house

GOLDEN

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That's all I got for the moment. Golden doesn't look so golden ._.

Ratingwise, I put him at a [color #BB6554]★½[/color].

For reference, Sorsha for me is [color #BB3455]★[/color], but I would say that Golden's reeeeeeeeeeheheeeeeeeeally close to being tied at that rating.

#2113

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If you don't want to read my long posts (anyone), I always leave my final conclusion at the bottom. It's like a sentence.

I understand your reasons, it's just hard for me to read. And thanks, I'll look at the end of your posts

linki: zebra, did you see the post where I talk about K4J's kill? That was a very weird choice for a NK.

#2114

Roxy wrote:I do read the thread and will honestly say when I don't. I just proved that *you* do *not* read the thread like you claim to in your latest post to MacD. I know what you posted but it was still inferring illegal BTSC which I do not like the insinuation.

This right here is precisely why I continue to get pings from you despite my initial suspicion being invalidated. You continue to make shit up to make me look bad.

Roxy, let me clear this up.

I was DEFENDING you (from myself, admittedly) when I said "Maybe Rbz PM'd Roxy to talk about old Piano days." Furthermore, I was NOT inferring illegal BTSC. Is it ILLEGAL to PM an old friend from a different message board even if you two are playing a game together? I don't think so! I don't think anyone else thinks so, either. So, like I said to you before, in fact I'll just quote what I told you before...

Matt F wrote:If you are civvie, you need to stop making stuff up like that.

#2115

Fucking wrong color tags fuck I mean god damn it fuck Hey, here's a better-looking rating thing with colors and

Golden: ★½

Sorsha: ★

For reference, if anyone wants to use the RYM rating colors with stars, click the spoylah box for 'em.

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#2116

And now I'm going to go to the liquor store because my friend's birthday party is tonight. This may also mean that you guys will get some Drunkhenge mafia playing. You should be excited.

#2117

sig wrote:What is the argument for a Russ lynch?

linki: I'm reading his post and waiting for one about me :P

Can't speak for the rest, but these are my reasons:

FZ. wrote: The part where you mentioned Russ brings me back to my theory that the person to gain the most from framing you (if you were in fact framed) with K4J's death is Russ. Other than K4J and I, he was the only one I can remember that said you were suspicious, and then you came after him for the "deliberately misinterpreting" comment and ended up voting for him. So by killing K4J, he would make you look even worse, and maybe get you to back off from him. I just can't think of a reason that someone would choose K4J out of all people in the game, when he was only voicing suspicion of you, and no one has interacted with him in a while.

FZ. wrote:In continuation of my theory of Russ being scum:

Russ and LC were the last to vote. Before that, LC had already 7 votes, and Bcornett had 5 votes. This means that if LC voted BC, it would tie (due to his 3 votes), and no matter who died, we would know that one of the BC voters was Flowers. If Russ is bad, he could have voted for BC with LC which would make BC die, ending in the same result- we learn that Flower is in the BC voters, and making Russ look really bad for putting that vote at the end.
So at that point, LC was going down no matter what. The smartest option was for Russ to vote LC and LC to vote BC, giving both 8 votes. In case Bcornett lost that tie, they got a civvie lynched and LC has to deal with the results, as well as the rest of the voters. It still takes time to figure out who is Flower. In case LC lost that tie, like he did, Russ still comes out looking great.

Unless I counted wrong, anyone care to join me on a Russ lynch?

#2118

I did not, I'll go find it and take a look.

#2119

Never mind haha thanks

#2120

Rbzmncaeaei wrote:While re-reading a bit I realized I forgot to comment on this:
Strawhenge wrote:Okay, back in it. Also this is the first time since the game started that I'm actually listening to Talking Heads. Like, IRL. Remain In Light at the moment. More Songs About Buildings and Food is next. Man, this band... Regrettably I always seem to forget how damn fuckin' cool they are. Even the overplayed hits like 'Once In a Lifetime' and 'Psycho Killer' are so good. Dang. Sorry, had to get RYM there for a second. Oh wait, what am I talking about. People don't praise music on RYM.
I'm in the same boat as you here, it's been forever since I last listened to Talking Heads and this game made me rediscover my love for them. Fear of Music has been on repeat for me. And LOL at the underlined part, that observation is sadly too true.

Back on topic, I'm curious what Wilgy has to say about this incoming Russ bandwagon.

It's dumb. Russ's vote was the one that lynched LC.

I would like more info before we try to lynch the people's champion.

I am unsure about the lynch today. I need to separate and balance what is the logical solution and what is emotional solution in my head.

#2121

Relationship between FZ and Long Con:

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FZ vouches for LC on the strength of meta and notes the RYM-focus of the pressure he was under. This was a stance held by a number of other people which makes me think it might mostly be genuine culture clash -- but that doesn't mean a baddie didn't slip in and enjoy an easy defense of their team mate. I'll decide on FZ as I continue...

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Support of Epi's defense of LC. Not surprising given her prior stated stance.

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There's something groovy about this, but it's a little out there (in my head I mean, not her actual post). That she'd criticize Wilgy for "pretending he's constantly behind" in response to a post containing a vote for LC just rings positively for me. I don't see this as an easy post to make for one of LC's team mates precisely because of that vote. Attacking Wilgy for his difficulty catching up is not an ideal approach, and I do think it's within mafia parameters to make that attack -- but when the LC vote is present in that post it is likely to give that mafioso pause. At that point the easy attack might not be worth it anymore because of the potential for backlash.

Like I said, it's out there.

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Obviously this isn't the greatest. This was the first final vote for Brian when LC had amassed an early lead, and it helped to generate momentum the other way. Still, her stated reasoning (highlighted) is consistent with her defenses of LC. I don't think y'all can read LC and I'm not going to vote for him. However, I do trust that y'all can read bcornett24, so I'll vote for him.

Objectively this is probably FZ's worst post. Emotionally I feel less badly about it.

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Oh yeah, this thing again! I think LC was buddying up with Epi, something that would be especially helpful when he's contributing to town-on-town violence (in this case it'd be Epi vs. FZ). Good look for FZ just as it was a good look for Epi, albeit a bit less emphatically.

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This is a mixed bag. Some of it is troubling and some of it looks good. To me this means FZ should be assessed independent of her LC interactions -- which I think would result in a positive vibe.

#2122

DrWilgy wrote:
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:While re-reading a bit I realized I forgot to comment on this:
Strawhenge wrote:Okay, back in it. Also this is the first time since the game started that I'm actually listening to Talking Heads. Like, IRL. Remain In Light at the moment. More Songs About Buildings and Food is next. Man, this band... Regrettably I always seem to forget how damn fuckin' cool they are. Even the overplayed hits like 'Once In a Lifetime' and 'Psycho Killer' are so good. Dang. Sorry, had to get RYM there for a second. Oh wait, what am I talking about. People don't praise music on RYM.
I'm in the same boat as you here, it's been forever since I last listened to Talking Heads and this game made me rediscover my love for them. Fear of Music has been on repeat for me. And LOL at the underlined part, that observation is sadly too true.

Back on topic, I'm curious what Wilgy has to say about this incoming Russ bandwagon.
It's dumb. Russ's vote was the one that lynched LC.

I would like more info before we try to lynch the people's champion.

I am unsure about the lynch today. I need to separate and balance what is the logical solution and what is emotional solution in my head.

I think FZ disagrees with your math re: Russ. Y'all should hash that out.

#2123

That is a pretty good case, FZ. What my kindergarten brain is failing to understand is how Matt F's conclusion on Russ (from one of the same observations that you made no less) and Wilgy's vote analysis contradicts your read. I'm curious to hear from them now on the matter.

linki: Beat me to it.

#2124

There's good points, and baaaad points!

#2125

Rbzmncaeaei wrote:While re-reading a bit I realized I forgot to comment on this:
Strawhenge wrote:Okay, back in it. Also this is the first time since the game started that I'm actually listening to Talking Heads. Like, IRL. Remain In Light at the moment. More Songs About Buildings and Food is next. Man, this band... Regrettably I always seem to forget how damn fuckin' cool they are. Even the overplayed hits like 'Once In a Lifetime' and 'Psycho Killer' are so good. Dang. Sorry, had to get RYM there for a second. Oh wait, what am I talking about. People don't praise music on RYM.
I'm in the same boat as you here, it's been forever since I last listened to Talking Heads and this game made me rediscover my love for them. Fear of Music has been on repeat for me. And LOL at the underlined part, that observation is sadly too true.

Back on topic, I'm curious what Wilgy has to say about this incoming Russ bandwagon.

Right? More like BerateYourMusic.

...oh my god, has anyone made that joke before?

#2126

DrWilgy wrote:
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:While re-reading a bit I realized I forgot to comment on this:
Strawhenge wrote:Okay, back in it. Also this is the first time since the game started that I'm actually listening to Talking Heads. Like, IRL. Remain In Light at the moment. More Songs About Buildings and Food is next. Man, this band... Regrettably I always seem to forget how damn fuckin' cool they are. Even the overplayed hits like 'Once In a Lifetime' and 'Psycho Killer' are so good. Dang. Sorry, had to get RYM there for a second. Oh wait, what am I talking about. People don't praise music on RYM.
I'm in the same boat as you here, it's been forever since I last listened to Talking Heads and this game made me rediscover my love for them. Fear of Music has been on repeat for me. And LOL at the underlined part, that observation is sadly too true.

Back on topic, I'm curious what Wilgy has to say about this incoming Russ bandwagon.
It's dumb. Russ's vote was the one that lynched LC.

I would like more info before we try to lynch the people's champion.

I am unsure about the lynch today. I need to separate and balance what is the logical solution and what is emotional solution in my head.

If Russ voted anywhere else, Bcornet would have been lynched and everyone would know the baddie is within those voters. He couldn't afford to vote bcornett himself, because that would get him the eye even more. So if they talked to one another, that would be the best scenario, just like you're looking at it now. Russ saved the day.

#2127

Strawhenge wrote:
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:While re-reading a bit I realized I forgot to comment on this:
Strawhenge wrote:Okay, back in it. Also this is the first time since the game started that I'm actually listening to Talking Heads. Like, IRL. Remain In Light at the moment. More Songs About Buildings and Food is next. Man, this band... Regrettably I always seem to forget how damn fuckin' cool they are. Even the overplayed hits like 'Once In a Lifetime' and 'Psycho Killer' are so good. Dang. Sorry, had to get RYM there for a second. Oh wait, what am I talking about. People don't praise music on RYM.
I'm in the same boat as you here, it's been forever since I last listened to Talking Heads and this game made me rediscover my love for them. Fear of Music has been on repeat for me. And LOL at the underlined part, that observation is sadly too true.

Back on topic, I'm curious what Wilgy has to say about this incoming Russ bandwagon.
Right? More like BerateYourMusic.

...oh my god, has anyone made that joke before?

I don't know but I've got to steal it for something.

#2128

Relationship between Golden and Long Con:

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Golden refutes my case against LC, specifically regarding his claimed ruse, on the basis of meta. He wasn't the only one to make this claim, though he was one of few to acknowledge my beefs specifically.

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Yeah yeah, Golden hates my guts, but more importantly it's an LC-relevant post. Golden maintained his pro-LC stance (or perhaps more accurately, not anti-LC) to the bitter end.

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Pointless banter about nothing.

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Just a little namedrop in the highlighted bit. I'll call it null because I think it's an accurate assessment of how Golden would respond to such a [fake] maneuver.

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This turned out to be a nice WIFOMburger. I am not sure this is as likely to be stated in a conversation with a team mate as someone else though. So that's mildly decent.

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I was lazy with this one, I think we've talked enough about Golden. He defended LC hard and with a gun to my head I'd say it was because he was wrong.

#2129

RBZ asked for my comments on Russ and a possible Russ lynch.

Long Con's role was pretty important. He had the ability to add two extra votes to any player from the opposite forum. Though it is possible to bus your teammate (I've done it myself more then once), I see Long Con's role power as very important, and I don't see a teamie voting him off like that. His power was way too important. I'm sure when MP revealed it was LC who was lynched, the baddies were PISSED because they just lost LC's power.

I just don't see it.

I really think a Sorsha lynch will prove to be valuable, whatever she flips. But I'm sold on her being Mafia.

Btw, back to Roxy, if you ever get your way and I'm lynched, and I'm proven to be civilian, I sure hope everyone looks at your tunnel towards me, and how you've been able to avoid voting for anyone else because of that.

What are your thoughts on Sorsha, Roxy? Civvie or Mafia?

I wanted to go into Golden a little bit. Golden, I don't know what you're doing. If you are civvie, stop asking people to lynch you. I find it highly suspect that you and Long Con both voted for bcornett after Russ placed the final vote on LC, and now suddenly, you are doing some crazy stuff. Let me ask you a question, if you get lynched, will you die? If the answer is "No", then stop asking us to waste a lynch day on you when we could be looking for actual scum. If your answer is "yes", then stop asking us to lynch you if you are really civilian. Please.

#2130

FZ. wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:While re-reading a bit I realized I forgot to comment on this:
Strawhenge wrote:Okay, back in it. Also this is the first time since the game started that I'm actually listening to Talking Heads. Like, IRL. Remain In Light at the moment. More Songs About Buildings and Food is next. Man, this band... Regrettably I always seem to forget how damn fuckin' cool they are. Even the overplayed hits like 'Once In a Lifetime' and 'Psycho Killer' are so good. Dang. Sorry, had to get RYM there for a second. Oh wait, what am I talking about. People don't praise music on RYM.
I'm in the same boat as you here, it's been forever since I last listened to Talking Heads and this game made me rediscover my love for them. Fear of Music has been on repeat for me. And LOL at the underlined part, that observation is sadly too true.

Back on topic, I'm curious what Wilgy has to say about this incoming Russ bandwagon.
It's dumb. Russ's vote was the one that lynched LC.

I would like more info before we try to lynch the people's champion.

I am unsure about the lynch today. I need to separate and balance what is the logical solution and what is emotional solution in my head.
If Russ voted anywhere else, Bcornet would have been lynched and everyone would know the baddie is within those voters. He couldn't afford to vote bcornett himself, because that would get him the eye even more. So if they talked to one another, that would be the best scenario, just like you're looking at it now. Russ saved the day.

Assuming Bcornett and LC are on different teams, wouldn't the optimal play be: Take the Bcornett kill, then let us try to figure out who Flowers is? Considering that Cornett is RYM, that means the players we would have had to sort through then would be Bea, Epi, Sorsha and LC.

But no, we don't need to deal with any of that bullsuit because of luck and Russ's vote.

The only situation where I see Russ being bad is were both Bcornett and LC are bad.

#2131

Relationship between MacDougall and Long Con:

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MacAttack right off the bat. Good look, not just because it's anti-LC but because this is the kind of thing that helped to force LC to pretend it was ruse.

Here we have MacDougall and LC literally discussing the Nothing but Flowers role in the thread.

Mac brought the role up, and LC couldn't resist the urge to comment. Do I think two mafia team mates were chatting the day away about one of their own roles publicly in the thread? I absolutely don't. Towniest look of any analysis I've done so far, congratulations Mac.

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Mac may have taken a long break, but he returned to Mafia in old form.

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LC responded to Mac's aggression with an OMGUS vote. It's possible that this was all a designed cooperative bus, but... I don't think it was.

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Mac looks like a townie and y'all should do what he says.

#2132

Matt F wrote:RBZ asked for my comments on Russ and a possible Russ lynch.

Long Con's role was pretty important. He had the ability to add two extra votes to any player from the opposite forum. Though it is possible to bus your teammate (I've done it myself more then once), I see Long Con's role power as very important, and I don't see a teamie voting him off like that. His power was way too important. I'm sure when MP revealed it was LC who was lynched, the baddies were PISSED because they just lost LC's power.

I just don't see it.

I really think a Sorsha lynch will prove to be valuable, whatever she flips. But I'm sold on her being Mafia.

Btw, back to Roxy, if you ever get your way and I'm lynched, and I'm proven to be civilian, I sure hope everyone looks at your tunnel towards me, and how you've been able to avoid voting for anyone else because of that.

What are your thoughts on Sorsha, Roxy? Civvie or Mafia?

I wanted to go into Golden a little bit. Golden, I don't know what you're doing. If you are civvie, stop asking people to lynch you. I find it highly suspect that you and Long Con both voted for bcornett after Russ placed the final vote on LC, and now suddenly, you are doing some crazy stuff. Let me ask you a question, if you get lynched, will you die? If the answer is "No", then stop asking us to waste a lynch day on you when we could be looking for actual scum. If your answer is "yes", then stop asking us to lynch you if you are really civilian. Please.

But if all votes were already made, and all that could change were the baddies' votes, what would you do in their place? I don't think Golden is bad because voting with LC for bcornett would make them look awful. So I think Golden and JJJ are both civvies that put the mafia in a very bad condition, and they had to decide what was there best strategy given the situation.

linki: Wilgy, I don't follow. What does the teams have to do with anything? Sorry if it's obvious and I'm not getting it

#2133

Matt F wrote:I really think a Sorsha lynch will prove to be valuable, whatever she flips. But I'm sold on her being Mafia.

I don't believe you've commented on Sorsha's more substantive defenses, primarily in response to my prompts. Please do that.

#2134

FZ - If I were on the Mafia with Long Con, I would NOT vote for Long Con, especially when that vote is essentially the nail in the coffin. His power is too important.

Others may view this differently, but having the ability to have your vote count as three in a lynch is way too important. I wouldn't bus a teammate with that power.

#2135

Decisions, decisions. I'm in observer mode right now and I don't have anything to add to the Russ and Sorsha discussions, but I will say that I do think I finally understand what Golden is trying to do. The problem is I'm not sure if I should keep my vote on him or not.

linki @Matt - Even if his fate was already sealed?

#2136

FZ. wrote:
Matt F wrote:RBZ asked for my comments on Russ and a possible Russ lynch.

Long Con's role was pretty important. He had the ability to add two extra votes to any player from the opposite forum. Though it is possible to bus your teammate (I've done it myself more then once), I see Long Con's role power as very important, and I don't see a teamie voting him off like that. His power was way too important. I'm sure when MP revealed it was LC who was lynched, the baddies were PISSED because they just lost LC's power.

I just don't see it.

I really think a Sorsha lynch will prove to be valuable, whatever she flips. But I'm sold on her being Mafia.

Btw, back to Roxy, if you ever get your way and I'm lynched, and I'm proven to be civilian, I sure hope everyone looks at your tunnel towards me, and how you've been able to avoid voting for anyone else because of that.

What are your thoughts on Sorsha, Roxy? Civvie or Mafia?

I wanted to go into Golden a little bit. Golden, I don't know what you're doing. If you are civvie, stop asking people to lynch you. I find it highly suspect that you and Long Con both voted for bcornett after Russ placed the final vote on LC, and now suddenly, you are doing some crazy stuff. Let me ask you a question, if you get lynched, will you die? If the answer is "No", then stop asking us to waste a lynch day on you when we could be looking for actual scum. If your answer is "yes", then stop asking us to lynch you if you are really civilian. Please.
But if all votes were already made, and all that could change were the baddies' votes, what would you do in their place? I don't think Golden is bad because voting with LC for bcornett would make them look awful. So I think Golden and JJJ are both civvies that put the mafia in a very bad condition, and they had to decide what was there best strategy given the situation.

linki: Wilgy, I don't follow. What does the teams have to do with anything? Sorry if it's obvious and I'm not getting it

Sorry, I feel like I have been getting sick + I have been on mobile all day. What exactly do you not follow? I may not be explaining fully. Teams are important due to influencing mafia vote placement.

#2137

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Matt F wrote:I really think a Sorsha lynch will prove to be valuable, whatever she flips. But I'm sold on her being Mafia.
I don't believe you've commented on Sorsha's more substantive defenses, primarily in response to my prompts. Please do that.

You asked, I answer...

Sorsha wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sorsha wrote:3. Yes... It's called not being 100% sure because I wasn't. Like I just said, I've seen him do something like this, coming up with zany theories and day one plans, and get lynched as a civ.
Could you try to recall one example of this happening to a civilian LC? It'd help me a lot to believe in your mindset.
If I remembered the game I would have. I know it wasn't this site. It could have been Rev or LP.... The Piano site is gone.

Sorsha wrote:4. Noncommittal on seaside because I've never played with him before, I don't know if this is how he always acts but I didn't see anything too suspicious in his behavior. I also didn't like the reasons some people were given for voting him. At the same time they knew him better than I did, but I still only think you should lynch someone if you really think they are bad.
You didn't think his earliest contributions were a little suspect (things like him calling Floyd73 a town read and Mac a rogue read)? I did. I do understand you being hesitant to commit as someone that doesn't know seaside though. I probably wouldn't be able to generate a strong stance in your position either.
Floyd probably is a town, I would imagine he'd be in here or replaced by now if he were mafia. At one point I found Mac suspicious too and like seaside, I have never played with Mac before but Mac and seaside have played with one another before. For all I know seaside was right about him and calling him out early.

Sorsha wrote:5. And this would be the point, if I were his teammate, that I should have begun distancing.... not further defense. Or just kept my mouth shut. Or placed a vote on him. Pretty much anything but what I actually did.
You're right that your defense of LC was blatant. If I were LC's team mate I wouldn't have defended him there either. I think you must understand though why your defense of LC might be viewed with suspicion -- it doesn't imply that you're terrible mafia, it implies that you'd be confident in your ability to evade the trouble that followed.

However, I admit that I am not sure that's what took place. Your conduct in the face of recent pressure shows me that you don't feel good about the position you're in or your ability to stem the tide. That's an important observation so long as one can believe that you are being genuine in your defeatist frustration. I think I might believe you.
I do understand why my defense of him looks suspicious, that's why I am acting as I am. I don't fight that hard because a) I don't have all the time in the world to type up these responses and b) people are still coming in a slapping votes on so the defense doesn't seem to be helping anyway. If I get lynched at least you have my thoughts about who I think is bad. I will flip civ.

Sorsha wrote:6. Like I said, didn't think it would matter and figured it would just get torn apart anyway. I'm not the kind of player who goes head to head with others too much like golden and jjj and others have been doing the past day. i just roll over and die In the past it hasn't worked well for me and hasn't been worth the effort
I think your content reflects this statement at least. It did indeed get torn apart, and you did indeed begin to seemingly roll over and die, at least until I opened the door for you to respond rationally.
Still hasn't been worth the effort.

1) You asked her to recall just one game where LC has tried this before. She couldn't.

2) Your ping on her about seaside is funny, because in the same paragraph of you asking her about it, you excuse her behavior. Nice.

3) Says "I don't have time for Mafia" or whatever. Ping ping ping. In fact, anyone who says this gets a ping. If you don't have time for a big game, then don't sign up. Simple.

4) Her defense, according to her, "still hasn't been worth the effort." Ping ping ping. It's not worth the effort to defend yourself if you're civvie? Why?

3J - After looking over these responses, yes, I still firmly believe she's scum.

#2138

Relationship between Matt F and Long Con:

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Lengthy dialogue with LC about sig's "kinda very" thing. In this discussion it appears LC was never quite critical of Matt F, but merely stated a contrary perspective. Part of me wonders if this is early scum-on-scum chat meant to encourage post count inflation. It looks like LC threw Matt F a softball. This is a minor ping though.

Spoiler: show

This man doesn't like to leave a conversation unfinished. I'm having mixed feelings about prodding a scum to tell you his feelings about you. On one hand it continues the theme of post inflation, this time to LC's benefit. On the other hand it forces LC to take a stance on Matt F -- that's a tough task for a team mate to demand. I think the latter perspective is speaking to me more right now.

Mild criticism of LC

These might also be called softballs directed at LC (in the midst of a post that is primarily about Sorsha). I'd be more comfortable if this interaction was a bit less... gentle.

LC had little to say about Matt apart from the earlier referenced conversation.

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I don't feel great, I don't feel terrible. There are moments when I think they look like potential team mates, and I also think there is some possibility that LC might have intended that. I'm going to call the analysis null and focus elsewhere when reading Matt F.

#2139

Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Decisions, decisions. I'm in observer mode right now and I don't have anything to add to the Russ and Sorsha discussions, but I will say that I do think I finally understand what Golden is trying to do. The problem is I'm not sure if I should keep my vote on him or not.

linki @Matt - Even if his fate was already sealed?

Talk to me about Diiny and Devin.

#2140

Looks like I'm gonna be limited to phone mafia until tomorrow and after the deadline, which is annoying. Getting caught up now and I'll pop a vote on some scummy fucker before I leave.

#2141

Wilgy, the way I see it LC had two options: 1. vote bcornett and reveal that one out of the four you mentioned is Flower, 2. Take the chance that he might die, but might not, and the flower role is revealed. If he lives, he's back to the first option. If he dies, his role is revealed and Russ comes out looking very good.

In the long run, the second option seems better to me because LC was on a verge of a lynch that day, he's the focus of the game and there's not much hope for him. Yet Russ can run miles from that point.

By the way, I'm not ruling out bcornett being bad, but I guess they had better options than that.

#2142

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Decisions, decisions. I'm in observer mode right now and I don't have anything to add to the Russ and Sorsha discussions, but I will say that I do think I finally understand what Golden is trying to do. The problem is I'm not sure if I should keep my vote on him or not.

linki @Matt - Even if his fate was already sealed?
Talk to me about Diiny and Devin.

See if you can fit it on the paper.

#2143

Relationship between Metalmarsh89 and Long Con:

Spoiler: show

Potential post count inflation courtesy of LC.

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LC makes a mild defense of BWT based on "zaniness" and Marsh backs it up. Potential post count inflation again, but at least this one contains a real stance of some kind (in defense of BWT).

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This is it. Otherwise Marsh says nothing about LC.

LC had nothing to say about Marsh.

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Marsh is off camping I believe if anyone didn't know already, so that's why he's been gone for a bit. Generally though this content is lacking -- that Marsh was able to participate consistently while he was around and there was still so little substance to his interaction with LC is not ideal. LC was a point of hot discussion throughout days 1 and 2, and Marsh did not take part.

Mildly negative vibe.

#2144

3J - What do you think of my responses to your and Sorsha's discussion? Am I off base with my line of thinking?

#2145

Rbzmncaeaei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Decisions, decisions. I'm in observer mode right now and I don't have anything to add to the Russ and Sorsha discussions, but I will say that I do think I finally understand what Golden is trying to do. The problem is I'm not sure if I should keep my vote on him or not.

linki @Matt - Even if his fate was already sealed?
Talk to me about Diiny and Devin.
See if you can fit it on the paper.

Whatchoo mean, mang?

#2146

Before I read through though I want to post something that came to my mind on the train: people scared of JJJ because of his 'creepy' posts where he's saying he's looking forward to his flip or whatever don't really ping me and shouldn't really ping you. J's perfectly capable of seeming very very town, and I recall in peanuts mafia I think it was that he was being super creepy and ended up flipping town. J's scuminess has shown to me through his reads. I remember a couple of people were hating on j this game for him being creepy and I'm starting to think that those guys are either copping out or they're getting too distracted by surface level j. That said I do remember seeing some of his reads that didnt sit well with me but it's not urgent enough that I'm going to find them on my mobile.

#2147

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Decisions, decisions. I'm in observer mode right now and I don't have anything to add to the Russ and Sorsha discussions, but I will say that I do think I finally understand what Golden is trying to do. The problem is I'm not sure if I should keep my vote on him or not.

linki @Matt - Even if his fate was already sealed?
Talk to me about Diiny and Devin.
See if you can fit it on the paper.
Whatchoo mean, mang?

Talk to me about the game's results first. Information is a currency and I am not indebted to you at this time.

#2148

Matt F wrote:1) You asked her to recall just one game where LC has tried this before. She couldn't.

I'd have preferred it if she could recall one game, yes. Many players don't have specific memories for Mafia nonsense though, I think even a few townies out there wouldn't be able to answer my request here.

Matt F wrote:2) Your ping on her about seaside is funny, because in the same paragraph of you asking her about it, you excuse her behavior. Nice.

I had stated my misgivings in the post to her prior to the one you referenced. She then responded, and I told her how I felt about her response. I'm going to approach every comment from two angles -- town and mafia. Anything else is tunnel vision, and I hate tunnel vision more than pretty much everything in this game.

Matt F wrote:3) Says "I don't have time for Mafia" or whatever. Ping ping ping. In fact, anyone who says this gets a ping. If you don't have time for a big game, then don't sign up. Simple.

I don't think your head is in the right place here. If you're serious, then you're going to be suspicious of countless townies from now until the end of your last game ever. Anyone can have time constraints, town or not -- whether they should have signed up in the first place is irrelevant to their alignment.

Matt F wrote:4) Her defense, according to her, "still hasn't been worth the effort." Ping ping ping. It's not worth the effort to defend yourself if you're civvie? Why?

It's not at all uncommon for townies to become dejected and stop caring about defending themselves. I don't like it, but to suggest it doesn't happen is frankly just incorrect

#2149

Rbzmncaeaei wrote:Talk to me about the game's results first. Information is a currency and I am not indebted to you at this time.

I don't know why this has to be a trade, but sure whatever. Wait until I'm done with more important business.

#2150

Naturally.

How would you rate Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)?