The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I didn't say any of that, so this post means jack shit to me.

motel room wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

motel room wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Because I thought Lorab was bad, and I harbored doubts about Elo's alignment.

Is having incorrect opinions now illegal?

insertnamehere wrote:I think it's stupid to think that Lorab voter = scum, but it's also naive to think that there wasn't a last ditch effort from Toecutter's gang to save their eponymous member.

So, I take it you now think LoRab is good?

I still think Sloonei's case makes sense, and I don't think any of my points against her were discredited, but I find it hard to justify going after her head after Elo flipped bad to the bone. So right now my opinion of LoRab is in limbo, and I'd rather target and investigate other suspects.

If you like my LoRab case so much, might I recommend my case against insertnamehere? I think it is every bit as good if not more!

I feel like this picture can describe 5 or 6 people in this game

Which 5 or 6?

Quin wrote:

Quin wrote:Am I the only one who keeps getting 503 errors on the syndicate? If it's a me problem, anyone know how to fix it?

I think there might be *some* issue somewhere, because now the syndicate just won't load anything. Are you aware of any issues with the server, MP? Or is it entirely on my end?

Going off the past three pages I've read, INH is currently reminding me of a bad marmot in RoTTK who stuck entirely on the defensive when he started taking votes. I'll vote him for now, pending an ISO when my internet sorts itself out.

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Dom wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Who should I vote for?

Dom in answer to your question ... I am not sure what is shocking to you?

....you have yet to name a reason why you think I'm bad. You flipped on me with very little reason. This is why you suspect Zebra. Are you going to tell me why you suspect me or are you going to be obtuse?

I don't think you are bad.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 23#p304823

insertnamehere wrote:Aaaand now I've caught up to the new [expletive] that's piled up against me after the point that I started responding to the old [expletive].

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:He's also employing Why Me defenses (complaining that the case against him also applies to other people). This was another tell that I learned in that tournament.

Starting to feel it.

why do those only come from scum?

They don't. I think it's scum at a greater-than-random rate though. It's a bad defense, frankly, and the baddie benefit is pretty easy to identify -- it simultaneously weakens an argument against them and directs attention to someone else. It doesn't actually mean they're innocent of anything, or that they actually defended themselves substantively. It's a tactic.

You constantly conflate "baddie tactic" and "ways to shift attention off of themselves".

I'm desperately trying to shift attention off of myself and onto other people. I realize my quintuple posts and in-thread hysterics may not accomplish that, but it's what I have in mind. Because I'm a civilian, despite what everyone else will tell you, and I find the fact that I'm the only one with more than one vote terrifying. If you'd let me pull the ol' Lee Harvey Oswald, I'd like to acknowledge my own patsy-ness.

I also mean it genuinely. I genuinely don't know how all of these people convinced I'm playing the game wrong want me to play. Exactly like them, I suppose?

motel room wrote:Help us out if we're wrong. Do you have any opinions on anyone else? Wanna suggest scum is driving this lynch?

Dom wrote:INH-- who should I vote for if not you?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Who should we lynch, INH?

insertnamehere wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Pretend you have a vigilante shot right now and you must use it on this Night 3. Who gets shot?

Glorfindel. He came into this game very buddy-buddy with you and proceeded to mainly ignore the growing suspicion from your end. I think he still wants to pretend you two are simpatico. Looking at the Lorab voters, he's the one who strikes me to be the hobo hitching a ride on the bandwagon.

Given that there are five LR voters, and I can safely remove myself and Elo from the pool of suspects, that leaves me with Sloonei, Wilgy, and good ol' Glorf.

Sloonei strikes me as sincere, Wilgy is Wilgy being Wilgy like only Wilgy can be, and Glorf has done nothing to dissuade any of my suspicion.

I think it's stupid to think that Lorab voter = scum, but it's also naive to think that there wasn't a last ditch effort from Toecutter's gang to save their eponymous member.

insertnamehere wrote:In fact, 3J pulled the same exact move earlier to completely dodge having to respond to anything I said, and I fell for it.

insertnamehere wrote:Seeing as I've spent the last two hours responding to wall posts and daggers in the front from most of the player list, it's been kinda hard for me to scum hunt considering that I only have a limited amount of time for mafia,

LoRab wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

LoRab wrote:So, you still suspect me, but you can't go after me why, exactly? I have mixed feelings about you. You run hot and cold for me. You aren't my top suspect right now. Because it will look bad? See previous answer. Because you don't think you can get a bandwagon going right now? You sure do love making me say things I didn't say, don't you?

Why exactly do you think I am bad?
I don't think you're bad. I don't think you're good either. Look up the word ambivalence in the dictionary, why don't you. I'll wait.

This is also the third BS leading question you've asked me, and you've only gotten through four!

Also, you never answered any of my posts where I defended myself. Nor have you answered any of my posts which accused you--other than saying that I suspected you for reasons that had nothing to do with what I suspected you for.

I'm sorry that I haven't responded to every post you've made. If I have time to circle back and address your old suspicions of me after addressing everyone else's new suspicions of me, I'll do so. But I only have so much mafia time in the day, and I already have a ton of BS to sift through.

(1: Time where I said the word "ambivalent") I don't need a dictionary--you hadn't used the word ambivalence before. Nor do I think that ambivalence was your intent--except for the fact that I think you're making a false case against me and know full well that I'm civ--because you're not.

I don't expect a response to every post I make, or every post that mentions you. Yes, you do. (2: Time where I responded to a quote by Lorab addressing me.) But a response to ANY post addressing you would be nice (prior to this, obviously.

(3: Time when Lorab found my playstyle suspicious and said that she suspected me.)Your posts about me say that I suspected you and had posts about play style, which is patently untrue. Come to think of it, in your responses to Sloonei, that wasn't something you addressed. (4: It's clear that Lorab's fishing for something, but I have no idea what. Maybe times that I talked about playstyles to Sloonei?)

And even your response to me right here doesn't address the fact that I didn't do what you say I did--nor do I suspect you for the reasons you seem to think I did and do. (5: Times when Lorab says what I say she did, whatever Lorab seems to think that means.) (6: Times when Lorab suspected me for the reasons I think she did or does?)

With every post, I become less and less hesitant about lynching you. It must not feel great, being a wrong person all the time.

linkitis: He didn't say that the only reason to suspect you was because you voted for me--nor did anyone else. (7: Times when Sloonei, or at least I'm assuming "he" is Sloonei, or anyone else found me voting for Lorab suspicious D3.)Again, you are misrepresenting the reasons that people suspect you, trying to paint them as unfounded and silly, when there are many reasons that you are suspicious. That is why you have so many votes.

Wouldn't it be more fun for you if you just admitted you were bad and played with us in the thread for the next 24 hours? Honestly?
Your defenses make you read increasingly mafia, so maybe just admit you're a FEB this game.



linitis 2: Where did I say that anyone's posts had no value. Please quote where I did that. (8: Times when Lorab stated or implied that my posts were valueless.)And what about my case against you doesn't seem genuine?

insertnamehere wrote:

motel room wrote:Help us out if we're wrong. Do you have any opinions on anyone else? Wanna suggest scum is driving this lynch?

Dom wrote:INH-- who should I vote for if not you?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Who should we lynch, INH?

Ignoring my posts while ostensibly "responding" to them and subtly saying that I'm doing jack to further the civ cause, ironically because I'm actively trying to prevent the lynch of a civilian, while setting me up for further attacks?

insertnamehere wrote:But, fuck it, I'm gonna walk right into this trap the exact same way again.

Glorfindel. Seeing as I've spent the last two hours responding to wall posts and daggers in the front from most of the player list, it's been kinda hard for me to scum hunt considering that I only have a limited amount of time for mafia, and I was supposed to go the gym an hour ago. I've been getting my workout grinding my teeth at what's become of the thread. Most of my opinions have to do with the people who've spent extensive time attacking me. Those same people are now reading this post with palpable glee that I fell for the exact same move again, and quickly preparing their wallposts about how utterly meaningless and empty the way I play mafia is. Glorfindel isn't sitting right for me, and nothing I've read over the past few hours has changed that.

So, basically, neener.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If you ignored this stuff and spent your time hunting I'd trust you more.

insertnamehere wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:If you ignored this stuff and spent your time hunting I'd trust you more.

Oh [expletive] off.

When I was 5, my brother was placed in a special needs class. When I was 12, I got into my first fist fight, beating up some kids who decided to call him the "R-word".

I interned a summer at a mental health facility. I've read multiple books about the stigma surrounding mental health, and I try to make it a big part of my life to deflate these hateful misconceptions that arise through stereotypes and derogatory language.

That being said, this is fucking retarded. It's the dumb cop out to end all cop outs.

It made my fucking skin crawl like hell when you pulled this shit on Quin in Red V Blue, and it makes my fucking skin crawl now. This exact kind of attitude is why mafia is becoming more and more physically painful for me to play.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Otherwise my preferred lynches at the moment would be indiglo or DrWilgy. I'm open to any other cases. Let's keep talking.

insertnamehere wrote:This whole post reminds me of Donald Trump denying and lying his [expletive] off during the debates, and getting away with it scot-free because the moderators and Hillary simply don't have time to fact check each ridiculous statement they say, only glossing over it with a "that's false."

It's 9:40, I've already been banging my head against my computer to the point where I'm beginning to see bone. I honestly wasn't supposed to be posting for hours and hours, I had actual stuff to do this evening, but instead I've been desperately trying to respond to all of the fecal matter people have been throwing at me, all the while, people just keep chucking more fecal matter.

It's like this game has evolved into a massive conveyer belt that everyone but me is defecating onto and expecting me to eat every morsel. Me being the too-easily-invested chump that I am, I keep scarfing it down. But the defecation just keeps coming and coming, and at this point, I've got to slow down or else it's going to cause me physical harm.

Naturally this is when Lorab decides the drops a post which reads like a fucking scavenger hunt. The things that Lorab wants me to quote for her are in orange.

LoRab wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

LoRab wrote:So, you still suspect me, but you can't go after me why, exactly? I have mixed feelings about you. You run hot and cold for me. You aren't my top suspect right now. Because it will look bad? See previous answer. Because you don't think you can get a bandwagon going right now? You sure do love making me say things I didn't say, don't you?

Why exactly do you think I am bad?
I don't think you're bad. I don't think you're good either. Look up the word ambivalence in the dictionary, why don't you. I'll wait.

This is also the third BS leading question you've asked me, and you've only gotten through four!

Also, you never answered any of my posts where I defended myself. Nor have you answered any of my posts which accused you--other than saying that I suspected you for reasons that had nothing to do with what I suspected you for.

I'm sorry that I haven't responded to every post you've made. If I have time to circle back and address your old suspicions of me after addressing everyone else's new suspicions of me, I'll do so. But I only have so much mafia time in the day, and I already have a ton of BS to sift through.

(1: Time where I said the word "ambivalent") I don't need a dictionary--you hadn't used the word ambivalence before. Nor do I think that ambivalence was your intent--except for the fact that I think you're making a false case against me and know full well that I'm civ--because you're not.

I don't expect a response to every post I make, or every post that mentions you. Yes, you do. (2: Time where I responded to a quote by Lorab addressing me.) But a response to ANY post addressing you would be nice (prior to this, obviously.

(3: Time when Lorab found my playstyle suspicious and said that she suspected me.)Your posts about me say that I suspected you and had posts about play style, which is patently untrue. Come to think of it, in your responses to Sloonei, that wasn't something you addressed. (4: It's clear that Lorab's fishing for something, but I have no idea what. Maybe times that I talked about playstyles to Sloonei?)

And even your response to me right here doesn't address the fact that I didn't do what you say I did--nor do I suspect you for the reasons you seem to think I did and do. (5: Times when Lorab says what I say she did, whatever Lorab seems to think that means.) (6: Times when Lorab suspected me for the reasons I think she did or does?)

With every post, I become less and less hesitant about lynching you. It must not feel great, being a wrong person all the time.

linkitis: He didn't say that the only reason to suspect you was because you voted for me--nor did anyone else. (7: Times when Sloonei, or at least I'm assuming "he" is Sloonei, or anyone else found me voting for Lorab suspicious D3.)Again, you are misrepresenting the reasons that people suspect you, trying to paint them as unfounded and silly, when there are many reasons that you are suspicious. That is why you have so many votes.

Wouldn't it be more fun for you if you just admitted you were bad and played with us in the thread for the next 24 hours? Honestly?
Your defenses make you read increasingly mafia, so maybe just admit you're a FEB this game.



linitis 2: Where did I say that anyone's posts had no value. Please quote where I did that. (8: Times when Lorab stated or implied that my posts were valueless.)And what about my case against you doesn't seem genuine?

I may go through Sloonei's, Lorab's, and my own post history trawling for each and every counterpoint that Lorab must have or else she'll have a [expletive] conniption, but alternatively, fuck that.

insertnamehere wrote:voting glorfindel

if I die tomorrow, legacy reads are as follows

Lorab: scum
motel room: scum
glorf: scum
indi: civ (spooky, scary, I know)
wilgy: civ

literally everyone else I feel biased against.

motel room wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Otherwise my preferred lynches at the moment would be indiglo or DrWilgy. I'm open to any other cases. Let's keep talking.

Indiglo or Scotty 2.0 here.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think INH is town. To make posts like these as a bad guy for the sake of staying alive in a Mafia game would be absolutely deplorable. I don't think he is that person.

LoRab wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think INH is town. To make posts like these as a bad guy for the sake of staying alive in a Mafia game would be absolutely deplorable. I don't think he is that person.

Then why hasn't he defended against a single thing that he's actually been found suspicious for? Why does he say that he's being accused of things that no one has accused him of? Why is he discrediting everything said about him and every player that has said it? Why is he representing mistruths and then refusing to demonstrate how he believes they are true?

I don't think it's deplorable, I think it's desperation. I really find it hard to believe that he's civ.

His behavior indicates that he's not.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

LoRab wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think INH is town. To make posts like these as a bad guy for the sake of staying alive in a Mafia game would be absolutely deplorable. I don't think he is that person.

Then why hasn't he defended against a single thing that he's actually been found suspicious for? Why does he say that he's being accused of things that no one has accused him of? Why is he discrediting everything said about him and every player that has said it? Why is he representing mistruths and then refusing to demonstrate how he believes they are true?

I don't think it's deplorable, I think it's desperation. I really find it hard to believe that he's civ.

His behavior indicates that he's not.

All of those assertions can be debated.

He is more than frustrated right now. He is furious. He is getting personal, to the point that I think it should literally be against the rules for a baddie player (or to be honest any player, but I understand a townie can sometimes have these moments). It's no longer about reads anymore, IMO. Attacking the core character of other people is not a strategy, and I don't think he's using it as a strategy.

LoRab wrote:I agree that his attacks come out of frustration--but I think it is the frustration of a baddie that has been found out.

insertnamehere wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I didn't say any of that, so this post means jack shit to me.

now you know how I've been feeling. Shame I'm not a confirmed civ, and actually have to address every post to somehow prevent myself from being lynched.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

LoRab wrote:I agree that his attacks come out of frustration--but I think it is the frustration of a baddie that has been found out.

I honestly hope you're wrong, even if he gets lynched. It'd help the town cause, but it'd make me feel much worse than a town flip would.

insertnamehere wrote:voting glorfindel

if I die tomorrow, legacy reads are as follows

Lorab: scum
motel room: scum
glorf: scum
indi: civ (spooky, scary, I know)
wilgy: civ

literally everyone else I feel biased against.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

LoRab wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think INH is town. To make posts like these as a bad guy for the sake of staying alive in a Mafia game would be absolutely deplorable. I don't think he is that person.

Then why hasn't he defended against a single thing that he's actually been found suspicious for? Why does he say that he's being accused of things that no one has accused him of? Why is he discrediting everything said about him and every player that has said it? Why is he representing mistruths and then refusing to demonstrate how he believes they are true?

I don't think it's deplorable, I think it's desperation. I really find it hard to believe that he's civ.

His behavior indicates that he's not.

All of those assertions can be debated.

He is more than frustrated right now. He is furious. He is getting personal, to the point that I think it should literally be against the rules for a baddie player (or to be honest any player, but I understand a townie can sometimes have these moments). It's no longer about reads anymore, IMO. Attacking the core character of other people is not a strategy, and I don't think he's using it as a strategy.

LoRab wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

LoRab wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think INH is town. To make posts like these as a bad guy for the sake of staying alive in a Mafia game would be absolutely deplorable. I don't think he is that person.

Then why hasn't he defended against a single thing that he's actually been found suspicious for? Why does he say that he's being accused of things that no one has accused him of? Why is he discrediting everything said about him and every player that has said it? Why is he representing mistruths and then refusing to demonstrate how he believes they are true?

I don't think it's deplorable, I think it's desperation. I really find it hard to believe that he's civ.

His behavior indicates that he's not.

All of those assertions can be debated.

He is more than frustrated right now. He is furious. He is getting personal, to the point that I think it should literally be against the rules for a baddie player (or to be honest any player, but I understand a townie can sometimes have these moments). It's no longer about reads anymore, IMO. Attacking the core character of other people is not a strategy, and I don't think he's using it as a strategy.

I agree that his attacks come out of frustration--but I think it is the frustration of a baddie that has been found out.

MacDougall wrote:How is it that Zebs and I managed to infuriate you earlier but INH insulting you here has you so calm?

insertnamehere wrote:voting glorfindel

if I die tomorrow, legacy reads are as follows

Lorab: scum
motel room: scum
glorf: scum
indi: civ (spooky, scary, I know)
wilgy: civ

literally everyone else I feel biased against.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:How is it that Zebs and I managed to infuriate you earlier but INH insulting you here has you so calm?

I don't understand the question, please restate.

MacDougall wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:How is it that Zebs and I managed to infuriate you earlier but INH insulting you here has you so calm?

I don't understand the question, please restate.

Oh it's not really game relevant I am just a little confused at how Zebs and I managed to get you angry earlier while INH telling you you make his skin crawl or whatever is met with androidism.

Sloonei wrote:I reciprocate INH's frustration. I have no idea how to lay out a case against him without it resulting in an explosion.

MacDougall wrote:

LoRab wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

LoRab wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think INH is town. To make posts like these as a bad guy for the sake of staying alive in a Mafia game would be absolutely deplorable. I don't think he is that person.

Then why hasn't he defended against a single thing that he's actually been found suspicious for? Why does he say that he's being accused of things that no one has accused him of? Why is he discrediting everything said about him and every player that has said it? Why is he representing mistruths and then refusing to demonstrate how he believes they are true?

I don't think it's deplorable, I think it's desperation. I really find it hard to believe that he's civ.

His behavior indicates that he's not.

All of those assertions can be debated.

He is more than frustrated right now. He is furious. He is getting personal, to the point that I think it should literally be against the rules for a baddie player (or to be honest any player, but I understand a townie can sometimes have these moments). It's no longer about reads anymore, IMO. Attacking the core character of other people is not a strategy, and I don't think he's using it as a strategy.

I agree that his attacks come out of frustration--but I think it is the frustration of a baddie that has been found out.

INH getting caught as a baddie and having a meltdown does not comply with his responses under pressure as a baddie in RotTK.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:How is it that Zebs and I managed to infuriate you earlier but INH insulting you here has you so calm?

I don't understand the question, please restate.

Oh it's not really game relevant I am just a little confused at how Zebs and I managed to get you angry earlier while INH telling you you make his skin crawl or whatever is met with androidism.

I'd rather not dredge up that discussion to answer this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I reciprocate INH's frustration. I have no idea how to lay out a case against him without it resulting in an explosion.

Could you try to stow the cases you have in mind and just make an emotion-driven read? Sometimes the gut speaks louder than the mind.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Otherwise my preferred lynches at the moment would be indiglo or DrWilgy. I'm open to any other cases. Let's keep talking.

Sloonei wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Otherwise my preferred lynches at the moment would be indiglo or DrWilgy. I'm open to any other cases. Let's keep talking.

What do you see in Wilgy?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Otherwise my preferred lynches at the moment would be indiglo or DrWilgy. I'm open to any other cases. Let's keep talking.

What do you see in Wilgy?

Nothing.

That's the problem.

LoRab wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

LoRab wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

LoRab wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think INH is town. To make posts like these as a bad guy for the sake of staying alive in a Mafia game would be absolutely deplorable. I don't think he is that person.

Then why hasn't he defended against a single thing that he's actually been found suspicious for? Why does he say that he's being accused of things that no one has accused him of? Why is he discrediting everything said about him and every player that has said it? Why is he representing mistruths and then refusing to demonstrate how he believes they are true?

I don't think it's deplorable, I think it's desperation. I really find it hard to believe that he's civ.

His behavior indicates that he's not.

All of those assertions can be debated.

He is more than frustrated right now. He is furious. He is getting personal, to the point that I think it should literally be against the rules for a baddie player (or to be honest any player, but I understand a townie can sometimes have these moments). It's no longer about reads anymore, IMO. Attacking the core character of other people is not a strategy, and I don't think he's using it as a strategy.

I agree that his attacks come out of frustration--but I think it is the frustration of a baddie that has been found out.

INH getting caught as a baddie and having a meltdown does not comply with his responses under pressure as a baddie in RotTK.

People respond differently at different moments--emotion isn't necessarily alignment indicative one way or another. And I'm not sure which game that is. I've played a ton of games with INH and don't recall a response like this--from him as a baddie or as a civ. So I'm not reading the emotion of his response as evidence one way or the other. It is the content that I find suspicious.

Sloonei wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I reciprocate INH's frustration. I have no idea how to lay out a case against him without it resulting in an explosion.

Could you try to stow the cases you have in mind and just make an emotion-driven read? Sometimes the gut speaks louder than the mind.

My sentimental calibrations compel me to feel that insertnamehere's town-alignment is a falsehood.