The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:17 pm I wonder if he is silenced, or just busy?

I almost replied to this and said "OR DEAD" but, y'know, that isn't likely.

Yeah he's on the poll, even if it wasn't for his 6th day condition. I have to presume on the poll means "alive".

Cerberus Tribe is going to crush you guys if you don't let them have some lynches. Hell, they could have baddies caught as hell over there, trying to lynch, but Pikachu is just too greedy.

Well, I hope you enjoyed today just a little more with me around. I wasn't going to come back because I knew it was a waste of my time, but I thought I'd give you guys a little more fun on my way out. Really sorry for screwing up the game like this, but hey, Rule 9, bitches.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:35 pm Yeah he's on the poll, even if it wasn't for his 6th day condition. I have to presume on the poll means "alive".

Dead people will only ever be on the poll if these clearly infallible hosts make an error.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:17 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 6:19 pm Also, that isn't a "difficult to use" town role - it's a town role that disincentivizes them from doing the thing townies are supposed to do - vote. Because you don't know whether your vote is positive or negative, but chances are you're going to vote for town, meaning your vote d2 is worthless (except for determining whether it goes up or down). After that, who knows? Do you vote for your suspects? Or people you think are town? No idea!

I just realized we have not heard from c-bob since the last night phase.

I wonder if he is silenced, or just busy?

Yeah, sorry, just busy. Working and then Thursdays are card night.

I think LC is the way to go, still don't believe the story. Also think the reveal will give us some insight into Dom/speed/DH. At this point LC is going to be a continuing issue until he's gone so we might as well get it over with now.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I liked the case somebody (dom? Speed?) made on DH, want to go back and look more closely at him.

Oh lol like 2 min after deadline. Welp. At least 7 to 2 should be fine?

Oh good. Sorry LC.

friendly reminder i didnt need a scumslip to catch him

Also this team is the Evens, so there is probably an Odds. So probably two teams. Not confirmed, but this gives it some credence.

So relieved ha ha

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:17 pm friendly reminder i didnt need a scumslip to catch him

And that role; glad to see that gone.

I got the feeling that DDL opposed the LC wagon for the sake of opposing it. I might have to re-read, but I dislike it based on that impression.

Nice. Rest in pieces LC.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:25 pm I got the feeling that DDL opposed the LC wagon for the sake of opposing it. I might have to re-read, but I dislike it based on that impression.

In my defense I was 95% sure it was impossible to stop the wagon at that point.

And I still want to lynch DH.

Alrighty then. So much for Epi going cold turkey on wine.

I suggest we lynch cbob next.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:26 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:25 pm I got the feeling that DDL opposed the LC wagon for the sake of opposing it. I might have to re-read, but I dislike it based on that impression.

In my defense I was 95% sure it was impossible to stop the wagon at that point.

And I still want to lynch DH.

I flat out refused to lynch refused-to-lie-about-being-town Glorfindel in favour of lynching Dom as part of my scum gambit in Mad Max. I can't help but see a similar thing happening here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:36 pm Alrighty then. So much for Epi going cold turkey on wine.

I suggest we lynch cbob next.

Tomorrow's gonna wind up boring too isn't it

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:18 pm I'm not sure if LC is bad or not, but I wanna play devil's advocate here. I hate how we are lynching him two consecutive days with little resistance. This is too easy.

You thought it was easy?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:35 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:24 pm What is the case om Dom, with no TMI?

He's only got three pages of posts. I'd rather you look for yourself because I feel like nobody but me is making a case on Dom, and I need validation.

Things to look for:
-I maintain that Dom's flip on my first life looks bad, for the reasons I stated at the time. I know I'm not confirmed town. I don't care. Look at that flip.
-Dom has been ignoring any suggestion that he might be wrong about LC. Legit ignoring. I talked once about how LC's role could be town, he later asked that very question. I pointed him back to the post he supposedly read. No response.
-Dom has not been facilitating discussion to hunt since the LC 'slip'. He's been more active in shutting it down, by obtusely ignoring arguments or just saying "no" or "I don't" or whatever the case may bring.

I don't think Dom is trying to foster town discussion or get to the bottom of things. If LC is scum, he gets credit for all of this, and he's driving toward that. If LC is town, he can blame it on the 'slip' and LC's 'lack of reasoning'/'throwing stuff at the wall'

There are other little things, but that's a start. Let me know what you find. If we lynch LC today (and I dunno if we can sway half the game), we have another half week before voting matters again. Plenty of time to look over Dom.

As well as other people

And based on yesterdays host post with the fog, I would not be surprised if we were to be joining the other tribe shortly. Iplan to use this night to reread and take notes becasue this whole two days toasted my prior reads, and to be able to better recall things when we merge.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:39 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:36 pm Alrighty then. So much for Epi going cold turkey on wine.

I suggest we lynch cbob next.

Tomorrow's gonna wind up boring too isn't it

Unless we merge. Goldens last night post made me think that might be on the way.

Yes. It was easy.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:37 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:26 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:25 pm I got the feeling that DDL opposed the LC wagon for the sake of opposing it. I might have to re-read, but I dislike it based on that impression.

In my defense I was 95% sure it was impossible to stop the wagon at that point.

And I still want to lynch DH.

I flat out refused to lynch refused-to-lie-about-being-town Glorfindel in favour of lynching Dom as part of my scum gambit in Mad Max. I can't help but see a similar thing happening here.

I know this is probably WIFOM, but my vote was meaningless either way.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:46 pm Yes. It was easy.

I thought it was absolutely traumatizing ha ha, but that's me.

Holy shit what a day. I haven't read anything in here except for the result. My main takeaway is that the fact that the mafia has a name indicates more than one mafia faction.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:36 pm Alrighty then. So much for Epi going cold turkey on wine.

I never said that.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:26 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:25 pm I got the feeling that DDL opposed the LC wagon for the sake of opposing it. I might have to re-read, but I dislike it based on that impression.

In my defense I was 95% sure it was impossible to stop the wagon at that point.

And I still want to lynch DH.

Why fam I lynched Long Con

Also, hilarious lie on LC's part but poor form/odd choice to bring the hosts into it and not just say "Eh I was making a suggestion, hypothetical."

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:37 pm Slips are like unicorns. They don't usually exist.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:37 pm Slips are like unicorns. They don't usually exist.

Sweet

If Long Con is facing a near inevitable lynch on account of a scum slip, he doesn't choose to go hard against his teammate by pointing out another scum slip.

Probability of LC/Dom w/w: Low.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:15 pm If Long Con is facing a near inevitable lynch on account of a scum slip, he doesn't choose to go hard against his teammate by pointing out another scum slip.

Probability of LC/Dom w/w: Low.

Probability of lc/dom on separate teams?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:47 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:15 pm If Long Con is facing a near inevitable lynch on account of a scum slip, he doesn't choose to go hard against his teammate by pointing out another scum slip.

Probability of LC/Dom w/w: Low.

Probability of lc/dom on separate teams?

I haven't got a read on Dom. As plausible as any other person, I guess.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:11 pm Day 5 has ended. Long Con has been lynched. He was:

96: Michaelangelo, forger (Phenon). You may choose one player, and have them appear as any affiliation that you wish upon death. You may change the identity of that player at any time other than during the last hour of a phase. You are MAFIA and a member of the EVIL EVENS.

It is now night 5. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in[/center]

Question:
[mention]Golden[/mention] [mention]juliets[/mention]:

LC got this role upon his lynch on Day 4. Was he able to use this power on Night 4?
Do the effects of this role still work after LC has died or does this role need to be alive to have its effects seen?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:36 pm Cerberus Tribe is going to crush you guys if you don't let them have some lynches. Hell, they could have baddies caught as hell over there, trying to lynch, but Pikachu is just too greedy.

.... anyone catch this?

He implied the other tribe hasn't lynched anyone yet because of how we're voitng. I'm taking it with a grain of salt....

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:52 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:36 pm Cerberus Tribe is going to crush you guys if you don't let them have some lynches. Hell, they could have baddies caught as hell over there, trying to lynch, but Pikachu is just too greedy.

.... anyone catch this?

He implied the other tribe hasn't lynched anyone yet because of how we're voitng. I'm taking it with a grain of salt....

Yeah, I don't really buy into it. There's no real way for us to not lynch someone once a vote's been put down. I'm not completely sold on the idea that there's two sets of lynches and night kills happening though.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:57 am

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:52 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:36 pm Cerberus Tribe is going to crush you guys if you don't let them have some lynches. Hell, they could have baddies caught as hell over there, trying to lynch, but Pikachu is just too greedy.

.... anyone catch this?

He implied the other tribe hasn't lynched anyone yet because of how we're voitng. I'm taking it with a grain of salt....

Yeah, I don't really buy into it. There's no real way for us to not lynch someone once a vote's been put down. I'm not completely sold on the idea that there's two sets of lynches and night kills happening though.

Yeah, I think that was possiblyjust freak out stuff, but what would be the point of it, though? It isn't that horrible. And If not, well, then they will be all hot and heavy to lynch each other, so we have time to get our feet under us. I had presumed those who said we were getting their results and vice versa. If that was true, I was figuring they would know some of our first roles, like we know theirs. So they might be hot and heavy to lynch US.

But with two lives, having two sets of NKs and lynches DOES make the most sense, since we have to burn off some of these lives.

Our only known baddie had a role that was originally civ the first time, and originally bad the second time. Earlier I had wondered if they ever lynched Scotty based on his reveal, but then realized they might not know his reveal. Unless there really has been one set of NKs and one set of lynches. I think the original first role is not that indicative of affiliation, but we'll see.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:31 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:26 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:25 pm I got the feeling that DDL opposed the LC wagon for the sake of opposing it. I might have to re-read, but I dislike it based on that impression.

In my defense I was 95% sure it was impossible to stop the wagon at that point.

And I still want to lynch DH.

Why fam I lynched Long Con

What are your thoughts on Chuck?

I don't know Chucks game well enough to know whether he is a defender in general, like is it normal for him as a civ to go all out to save someone he thinks isn't bad? What about defending baddie teammates? With LC's power had he gotten one (or two?) more people to vote for Dom, he might have been saved. And Chuck did try very very hard. I am sure the Evens jiggered Doms flip to make sure he flipped bad. That role was probably why LC & Team decided to throw all of their eggs into the Dom basket, and rather than defending, throw all of their attention to Dom. Which doesn't say much to me about Chuck and his being "townfirmed", since he beat the "Dom is bad" drum harder than LC.

I was on a team once in a game on LP, maybe Jurassic Park? Where Tranq and I used our one save (or switch? that would make more sense but it was a long time ago, I don't recall precisely) to save someone we knew was on the other bad team, thus framing them. So anything could have happened to lynch Nutella rather than DDL the other day that did not involve townfirming anyone. I am not sure I buy that, especially after that last lynch.

I had hoped to save some stuff from this thread last night, but I had company. I will save some stuff today, like roles of the NKed in case they did not get that info, some posts on peoples reads, memory reminders, posts from people I feel squidgy about. I don't want to forget what happened here when we presumably merge.

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:51 am

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:11 pm Day 5 has ended. Long Con has been lynched. He was:

96: Michaelangelo, forger (Phenon). You may choose one player, and have them appear as any affiliation that you wish upon death. You may change the identity of that player at any time other than during the last hour of a phase. You are MAFIA and a member of the EVIL EVENS.

It is now night 5. It will last for 24 hours, meaning you have 22 hours to get your PMs in[/center]

Question:
@Golden @juliets:

LC got this role upon his lynch on Day 4. Was he able to use this power on Night 4?
Do the effects of this role still work after LC has died or does this role need to be alive to have its effects seen?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:03 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:57 am

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:52 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:36 pm Cerberus Tribe is going to crush you guys if you don't let them have some lynches. Hell, they could have baddies caught as hell over there, trying to lynch, but Pikachu is just too greedy.

.... anyone catch this?

He implied the other tribe hasn't lynched anyone yet because of how we're voitng. I'm taking it with a grain of salt....

Yeah, I don't really buy into it. There's no real way for us to not lynch someone once a vote's been put down. I'm not completely sold on the idea that there's two sets of lynches and night kills happening though.

Yeah, I think that was possiblyjust freak out stuff, but what would be the point of it, though? It isn't that horrible. And If not, well, then they will be all hot and heavy to lynch each other, so we have time to get our feet under us. I had presumed those who said we were getting their results and vice versa. If that was true, I was figuring they would know some of our first roles, like we know theirs. So they might be hot and heavy to lynch US.

But with two lives, having two sets of NKs and lynches DOES make the most sense, since we have to burn off some of these lives.

Our only known baddie had a role that was originally civ the first time, and originally bad the second time. Earlier I had wondered if they ever lynched Scotty based on his reveal, but then realized they might not know his reveal. Unless there really has been one set of NKs and one set of lynches. I think the original first role is not that indicative of affiliation, but we'll see.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:31 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:26 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:25 pm I got the feeling that DDL opposed the LC wagon for the sake of opposing it. I might have to re-read, but I dislike it based on that impression.

In my defense I was 95% sure it was impossible to stop the wagon at that point.

And I still want to lynch DH.

Why fam I lynched Long Con

What are your thoughts on Chuck?

I don't know Chucks game well enough to know whether he is a defender in general, like is it normal for him as a civ to go all out to save someone he thinks isn't bad? What about defending baddie teammates? With LC's power had he gotten one (or two?) more people to vote for Dom, he might have been saved. And Chuck did try very very hard. I am sure the Evens jiggered Doms flip to make sure he flipped bad. That role was probably why LC & Team decided to throw all of their eggs into the Dom basket, and rather than defending, throw all of their attention to Dom. Which doesn't say much to me about Chuck and his being "townfirmed", since he beat the "Dom is bad" drum harder than LC.

I was on a team once in a game on LP, maybe Jurassic Park? Where Tranq and I used our one save (or switch? that would make more sense but it was a long time ago, I don't recall precisely) to save someone we knew was on the other bad team, thus framing them. So anything could have happened to lynch Nutella rather than DDL the other day that did not involve townfirming anyone. I am not sure I buy that, especially after that last lynch.

I had hoped to save some stuff from this thread last night, but I had company. I will save some stuff today, like roles of the NKed in case they did not get that info, some posts on peoples reads, memory reminders, posts from people I feel squidgy about. I don't want to forget what happened here when we presumably merge.

Was the impression of the thread not that his role was more suited to a mafia role?

It was, but the actual original role was a civ in the original game. Cmdr Shephard was a civ.

Oh. Gotcha.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:03 pm

ROLE LIST

*Roles marked with an asterisk are guaranteed to appear in this game.

ALLIANCE (11 roles)
Win the game by eliminating the Reapers, Cerberus, and any hostile independents.

Commander Shepard*
You will play this game with a karmic rating. After a lynch, if your final vote was for a member of the town faction, you will gain one renegade point. If your final vote was for a member of a mafia faction, you will gain one paragon point. If your final vote was for an independent player, you will gain no points. If you reach 4 renegade points, you will earn a one-time kill to be used any night phase thereafter. If you reach 3 paragon points, you will earn a one-time use bulletproof vest to protect you from a night kill.

Twice during the game during any night phases, you may inspire loyalty. Select a player; that player’s vote will be worth double during the following day phase.

During the third night phase, you may select a role to romance. The options are: Tali’Zorah, Miranda Lawson, Ashley Williams, Jack, Kelly Chambers, Steve Cortez, and Liara T’Soni (if you are a male Shepard) or Garrus Vakarian, Thane Krios, Kaiden Alenko, Jacob Taylor, Samantha Traynor, Kelly Chambers, and Liara T’Soni (if you are a female Shepard). To successfully achieve romance, certain special conditions which shall not be revealed here must be met. If successful, you will be able to communicate behind the scenes with your romantic partner. If unsuccessful, you may select a different role on the fourth night (and each night thereafter until success).

You must select your gender before the start of Day 1 or it will be randomized.

This is part of the reason that I don't necessarily think a roles origin matters much.


Also, does anyone have DDL's role that died? When Golden corrected the host post to say Nutella died, he overwrote the post with his reveal. IIRC he kept his new role, but what was the original role?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:56 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2017 4:03 pm

ROLE LIST

*Roles marked with an asterisk are guaranteed to appear in this game.

ALLIANCE (11 roles)
Win the game by eliminating the Reapers, Cerberus, and any hostile independents.

Commander Shepard*
You will play this game with a karmic rating. After a lynch, if your final vote was for a member of the town faction, you will gain one renegade point. If your final vote was for a member of a mafia faction, you will gain one paragon point. If your final vote was for an independent player, you will gain no points. If you reach 4 renegade points, you will earn a one-time kill to be used any night phase thereafter. If you reach 3 paragon points, you will earn a one-time use bulletproof vest to protect you from a night kill.

Twice during the game during any night phases, you may inspire loyalty. Select a player; that player’s vote will be worth double during the following day phase.

During the third night phase, you may select a role to romance. The options are: Tali’Zorah, Miranda Lawson, Ashley Williams, Jack, Kelly Chambers, Steve Cortez, and Liara T’Soni (if you are a male Shepard) or Garrus Vakarian, Thane Krios, Kaiden Alenko, Jacob Taylor, Samantha Traynor, Kelly Chambers, and Liara T’Soni (if you are a female Shepard). To successfully achieve romance, certain special conditions which shall not be revealed here must be met. If successful, you will be able to communicate behind the scenes with your romantic partner. If unsuccessful, you may select a different role on the fourth night (and each night thereafter until success).

You must select your gender before the start of Day 1 or it will be randomized.

This is part of the reason that I don't necessarily think a roles origin matters much.


Also, does anyone have DDL's role that died? When Golden corrected the host post to say Nutella died, he overwrote the post with his reveal. IIRC he kept his new role, but what was the original role?

The original post is still there, it is under my name so just isolate my posts and you will find it.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:03 am With LC's power had he gotten one (or two?) more people to vote for Dom, he might have been saved.

Nope.

His role was not vote manipulation. Unless you mean that he would frame Dom, but I'm pretty sure that still wouldn't save him.

Thank you Juliets!!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:24 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:03 am With LC's power had he gotten one (or two?) more people to vote for Dom, he might have been saved.

Nope.

His role was not vote manipulation. Unless you mean that he would frame Dom, but I'm pretty sure that still wouldn't save him.

Right, this two role business is confusing

Hell of a day to pick to lynch our first mafia.

why

Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 1:26 pmwhy

Because it precedes a day in which no matter who we vote for Cbob will be lynched :/

Good job on lynching LC guys!

The role effects should last after death as how I originally had it but these are new hosts so dim how it goes