The Syndicate

I need to be confident in voting Lavender and I cannot do that if I don't consider all the possibilities.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:45 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:44 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:43 pm Right, and in what universe am I getting misexecuted here?

Many.

Lots of people have expressed suspicion on you. Your post is right after Dizzy tinfoils you. There were other people that thought you were scummy, too. The people who've been most adamant about defending you are me and Dizzy, and we're both excellent NK targets.

But also, I suspect the "misexecute" target is actually Michelle. Notice that 1612 and Lavender don't actually ask me to vote MP7 despite thinking you're wolf. They want me to vote Michelle.

Okay, that's entirely possible. Let me think about that.

I'd rather not think it is. If two of Lav/Jeraldo/1612 are town, I think I'd have a very hard time solving this game tbh. Like, not to be all defeatist and stuff. Also I need reasons to think Michelle, Ted or Urist could be scum, and I don't really have them. If Urist is scum we're unlucky as fuck. I don't really want to read MP as scum either so

Okay, Cobbler seems pure after reading ISO again, I'm going to back to ignoring that slot as a possible partner.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:47 pm I'd rather not think it is. If two of Lav/Jeraldo/1612 are town, I think I'd have a very hard time solving this game tbh. Like, not to be all defeatist and stuff. Also I need reasons to think Michelle, Ted or Urist could be scum, and I don't really have them. If Urist is scum we're unlucky as fuck. I don't really want to read MP as scum either so

Look, I'm just trying to do some of this work now so in the worst case scenario it doesn't have to be done at F7, F5, or F3.

I don't want to be trying to do this at F7, do you?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:49 pm [VOTE: 1612] aubergine

Explain please, I'm anxious.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:26 pm If jeraldo and Lavender wagons are v/v, and assuming Urist is indeed not the godfather, then the team has to be within 1612/cobbler/Dizzy/Michelle.

I could see Dizzy and Michelle being teamed actually, but I don't want to go there because I really think Dizzy is town.

Do 1612, cobbler, and Michelle make sense as a pairing from a gamestate perspective... let me go back and look at EOD1 now with that possibility in mind.

Let's have a Dizzy tinfoil moment. Yes please.

Alison, didn't you have a reason to be townreading jeraldo earlier in the game? What do you think of that slot right now?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:50 pm Alison, didn't you have a reason to be townreading jeraldo earlier in the game? What do you think of that slot right now?

I think it's scum.

Their entrance was good, but they dropped off the radar after that and I've not felt that speedchuck has been particularly townie thus far.

I guess I find reason to go for any of Lav, Jeraldo and 1612. Not sure why Speed would be voting 1612 over Lav, if they are all teamed though. Unless just trying to do [whatever] or devide wagons.

I think Urist scum is on the table because he's broadly compatible with all possible teams, but as argued previously, we should execute him last/at ExLo, because a Godfather flip clears him.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:51 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:50 pm Alison, didn't you have a reason to be townreading jeraldo earlier in the game? What do you think of that slot right now?

I think it's scum.

Their entrance was good, but they dropped off the radar after that and I've not felt that speedchuck has been particularly townie thus far.

Right. Let me go back and look at their ISO again.

I guess it really could just be Lavender/1612/jeraldo... maybe I should go look at EOD again and see how much that makes sense. I just feel like... if I were one of them, I'd be approaching this differently?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:52 pm I think Urist scum is on the table because he's broadly compatible with all possible teams, but as argued previously, we should execute him last/at ExLo, because a Godfather flip clears him.

I agree.

More importantly though, whomever we end up lynching, can I please hammer? It would feel so good to hammer scum, and I don't often play in hammer games. Can I, mom?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:51 pm I guess I find reason to go for any of Lav, Jeraldo and 1612. Not sure why Speed would be voting 1612 over Lav, if they are all teamed though. Unless just trying to do [whatever] or devide wagons.

If they are all teamed, speed would probably be voting Michelle I think.

So maybe I'm wrong that it's Lav/speedraldo/1612. Maybe it's Lav/1612/? or Lav/speedraldo/?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:53 pm More importantly though, whomever we end up lynching, can I please hammer? It would feel so good to hammer scum, and I don't often play in hammer games. Can I, mom?

Sure, as long as we're close enough to deadline, you can do it.

I'm assuming by saying mom you were talking to me, you don't have to confirm or deny and I'll just appreciate it, hehe.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:53 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:51 pm I guess I find reason to go for any of Lav, Jeraldo and 1612. Not sure why Speed would be voting 1612 over Lav, if they are all teamed though. Unless just trying to do [whatever] or devide wagons.

If they are all teamed, speed would probably be voting Michelle I think.

So maybe I'm wrong that it's Lav/speedraldo/1612. Maybe it's Lav/1612/? or Lav/speedraldo/?

Right, speed has an opportunity to ride the Michelle train when I was on it, so why not take that?

Also if all of this mad chaotic solving right now doesn't clear me in the eyes of those who suspect me, then I'm going to need to have a chat with those players.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:23 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:18 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:53 pm I will say that 1612's behaviour is + partner equity with Lav.

I do agree with this. I was considering the "would a teammate defend his partner this hard?" angle, but considering the game state, he probably would, also considering they are friends and 1612 seems like a nice person who would want to be a good teammate. That is kind of speculation, but that's the vibe I get =p

1612 and Lav are both from a flipless meta, where bussing doesn't work (because you don't see the flip). proto has said before that the community has a strong no-bussing meta in general. I think they have partner equity if one of them flips scum.

flipless meta? do you mean rr off? I hate rr off lol, sometimes we do it, sometimes we don't. I am very used to bussing and I think your read and or pairing on me and Lavendar are very invalid. You even said so yourself that you didn't even read Lavendar's legacy info. Did you read even my posts on why Lavendar is much more town than Michelle here

Hey 1612!

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:53 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:51 pm I guess I find reason to go for any of Lav, Jeraldo and 1612. Not sure why Speed would be voting 1612 over Lav, if they are all teamed though. Unless just trying to do [whatever] or devide wagons.

If they are all teamed, speed would probably be voting Michelle I think.

So maybe I'm wrong that it's Lav/speedraldo/1612. Maybe it's Lav/1612/? or Lav/speedraldo/?

Lav/X/speedraldo (nice name by the way) seems very plausible to me.

Who's the X... Michelle?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:57 pm Who's the X... Michelle?

In that case they need to misyeet 1612 and me? Hmmm.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:53 pmIf they are all teamed, speed would probably be voting Michelle I think.

So maybe I'm wrong that it's Lav/speedraldo/1612. Maybe it's Lav/1612/? or Lav/speedraldo/?

Or even Speed/1612 for extra wifom purposes. But I don't want to live in a world where Lav is town. This game feels both easy and hard at the same time. Maybe I'm just overthinking and all of them could still be scum.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:54 pmSure, as long as we're close enough to deadline, you can do it.

I'm assuming by saying mom you were talking to me, you don't have to confirm or deny and I'll just appreciate it, hehe.

Actually, I mean Alison, rip. She's my mom now, since she's confirmed town. But you can be my mom as well IF you are town. =p That is motivation for you lol

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] and [mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] , why are you guys voting up jeraldooo (now speed). You have to play with confirmed town here not split it. Although I don't want to vote up Lavendar, it's not really helpful to split the votes

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:55 pm Also if all of this mad chaotic solving right now doesn't clear me in the eyes of those who suspect me, then I'm going to need to have a chat with those players.

Why should it clear you? Genuine question

1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:56 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:23 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:18 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:53 pm I will say that 1612's behaviour is + partner equity with Lav.

I do agree with this. I was considering the "would a teammate defend his partner this hard?" angle, but considering the game state, he probably would, also considering they are friends and 1612 seems like a nice person who would want to be a good teammate. That is kind of speculation, but that's the vibe I get =p

1612 and Lav are both from a flipless meta, where bussing doesn't work (because you don't see the flip). proto has said before that the community has a strong no-bussing meta in general. I think they have partner equity if one of them flips scum.

flipless meta? do you mean rr off? I hate rr off lol, sometimes we do it, sometimes we don't. I am very used to bussing and I think your read and or pairing on me and Lavendar are very invalid. You even said so yourself that you didn't even read Lavendar's legacy info. Did you read even my posts on why Lavendar is much more town than Michelle here

I read your posts and they don't make sense to me. If you want to convince me you are right, I suggest you present your ideas in a way I can understand.

Also, "I know how to bus" still isn't a defense if you're caught trying to move the execute off your scum buddy.

Actually, shouldn't the wagons be 1612 and Lavender?

Is there any way that both 1612 and Lavender are town? Then the team has to be within speedraldo/Michelle/Cobbler/Dizzy... that sounds unlikely?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:57 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:53 pmIf they are all teamed, speed would probably be voting Michelle I think.

So maybe I'm wrong that it's Lav/speedraldo/1612. Maybe it's Lav/1612/? or Lav/speedraldo/?

Or even Speed/1612 for extra wifom purposes. But I don't want to live in a world where Lav is town. This game feels both easy and hard at the same time. Maybe I'm just overthinking and all of them could still be scum.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:54 pmSure, as long as we're close enough to deadline, you can do it.

I'm assuming by saying mom you were talking to me, you don't have to confirm or deny and I'll just appreciate it, hehe.

Actually, I mean Alison, rip. She's my mom now, since she's confirmed town. But you can be my mom as well IF you are town. =p That is motivation for you lol

You think in Michelle vs Lavendar, Michelle is more town than Lavendar?
Alison and Michelle pointed out Lavendar's quotes and why they are scummy. I disagree, there was no wolf like mindset there
Alison pointed out how Michelle stopped tunneling alison on d1 and why that is towny. I disagree, if you tunnel and are aggro too much as mafia, its a dead giveaway. she has yet to explain why she swapped to other confirmed town/green check votes

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:57 pm Who's the X... Michelle?

I don't really believe in a Michelle/Lavender scum team here.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:49 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:49 pm [VOTE: 1612] aubergine

Explain please, I'm anxious.

I've given the only explanation I have. I don't think their posts look comfortable.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:57 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:53 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:51 pm I guess I find reason to go for any of Lav, Jeraldo and 1612. Not sure why Speed would be voting 1612 over Lav, if they are all teamed though. Unless just trying to do [whatever] or devide wagons.

If they are all teamed, speed would probably be voting Michelle I think.

So maybe I'm wrong that it's Lav/speedraldo/1612. Maybe it's Lav/1612/? or Lav/speedraldo/?

Lav/X/speedraldo (nice name by the way) seems very plausible to me.

Why not Lav/1612/X?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:58 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:55 pm Also if all of this mad chaotic solving right now doesn't clear me in the eyes of those who suspect me, then I'm going to need to have a chat with those players.

Why should it clear you? Genuine question

You think I'm faking all of this? Nah. If I'm wolf here I'd be much more complacent. I can style on any of you easily in FX. If I'm wolf here you've all lost already.

1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:58 pm @tedxtr and @Dyslexicon , why are you guys voting up jeraldooo (now speed). You have to play with confirmed town here not split it. Although I don't want to vote up Lavendar, it's not really helpful to split the votes

Well, I like several wagons at most any point in the game. I will consolidate for a lynch, obviously, but it's not deadline yet. Closer wagons is more exciting and makes more [stuff]. If the wagon is locked from start of day than scum will either just bus or rest (depending on the yeetee's alignment)

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:00 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:56 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:23 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:18 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:53 pm I will say that 1612's behaviour is + partner equity with Lav.

I do agree with this. I was considering the "would a teammate defend his partner this hard?" angle, but considering the game state, he probably would, also considering they are friends and 1612 seems like a nice person who would want to be a good teammate. That is kind of speculation, but that's the vibe I get =p

1612 and Lav are both from a flipless meta, where bussing doesn't work (because you don't see the flip). proto has said before that the community has a strong no-bussing meta in general. I think they have partner equity if one of them flips scum.

flipless meta? do you mean rr off? I hate rr off lol, sometimes we do it, sometimes we don't. I am very used to bussing and I think your read and or pairing on me and Lavendar are very invalid. You even said so yourself that you didn't even read Lavendar's legacy info. Did you read even my posts on why Lavendar is much more town than Michelle here

I read your posts and they don't make sense to me. If you want to convince me you are right, I suggest you present your ideas in a way I can understand.

Also, "I know how to bus" still isn't a defense if you're caught trying to move the execute off your scum buddy.

Now see, I disagree with this.

The onus is on you to try to understand as well. It's a two-way street. This is a team game.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:57 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:53 pmIf they are all teamed, speed would probably be voting Michelle I think.

So maybe I'm wrong that it's Lav/speedraldo/1612. Maybe it's Lav/1612/? or Lav/speedraldo/?

Or even Speed/1612 for extra wifom purposes. But I don't want to live in a world where Lav is town. This game feels both easy and hard at the same time. Maybe I'm just overthinking and all of them could still be scum.

Would have to be Speed/1612/Michelle in that case, and all speed has to do is shrug shoulders and vote Lavender. There's some pushback to the Lavender wagon so if that is the case, wolf speed would probably not feel comfy enough to throw a vote on a vanity wagon.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:01 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:49 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:49 pm [VOTE: 1612] aubergine

Explain please, I'm anxious.

I've given the only explanation I have. I don't think their posts look comfortable.

It is strictly optimal to vote either Lavender or Michelle today. Do so now, please.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:01 pmYou think I'm faking all of this? Nah. If I'm wolf here I'd be much more complacent. I can style on any of you easily in FX. If I'm wolf here you've all lost already.

Ouch. And if you are scum saying that I will literally scream. (Not to make you feel bad if you are. But gurl)

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:00 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:57 pm Who's the X... Michelle?

I don't really believe in a Michelle/Lavender scum team here.

You don't think the distancing makes sense in that event?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:01 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:58 pm @tedxtr and @Dyslexicon , why are you guys voting up jeraldooo (now speed). You have to play with confirmed town here not split it. Although I don't want to vote up Lavendar, it's not really helpful to split the votes

Well, I like several wagons at most any point in the game. I will consolidate for a lynch, obviously, but it's not deadline yet. Closer wagons is more exciting and makes more [stuff]. If the wagon is locked from start of day than scum will either just bus or rest (depending on the yeetee's alignment)

It's EoD in like 2 hours.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:00 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:56 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:23 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:18 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:53 pm I will say that 1612's behaviour is + partner equity with Lav.

I do agree with this. I was considering the "would a teammate defend his partner this hard?" angle, but considering the game state, he probably would, also considering they are friends and 1612 seems like a nice person who would want to be a good teammate. That is kind of speculation, but that's the vibe I get =p

1612 and Lav are both from a flipless meta, where bussing doesn't work (because you don't see the flip). proto has said before that the community has a strong no-bussing meta in general. I think they have partner equity if one of them flips scum.

flipless meta? do you mean rr off? I hate rr off lol, sometimes we do it, sometimes we don't. I am very used to bussing and I think your read and or pairing on me and Lavendar are very invalid. You even said so yourself that you didn't even read Lavendar's legacy info. Did you read even my posts on why Lavendar is much more town than Michelle here

I read your posts and they don't make sense to me. If you want to convince me you are right, I suggest you present your ideas in a way I can understand.

Also, "I know how to bus" still isn't a defense if you're caught trying to move the execute off your scum buddy.

okay it seems like your only push on Lavendar is based off how Michelle is quoting Lavendar and how the highlighted was scummy, And I will just explain it again here

Lavendar wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:55 am if urist is mafia, i would not be surprised at all if proto is

This is the quote that Michelle is pushing and explaining how it is a wolf mindset trying to push a V/V agenda. How is this logical
Urist is confirmed town/gf so that world that you guys think he is pushing would have been really invalid and had no backup after Urist flipped. There is no setup. My thought is that it would be much more sus if he said:

Lavendar wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:55 am if urist is town, i would not be surprised at all if proto is mafia

but he did not so Michelle pushing this out of context makes me think that Michelle is a lot less town. SHe hasn't explained any of my other susses on her and questions

[mention]Lavender[/mention] MP is voting Michelle at this point. What do you think about that? Are you interested in a Michelle lynch over an MP one?

Also, one thing is bothering me. Why did you ever rescind your scum read of Tutu? You did it before she claimed cop iirc. And you already said it was not a play, so what was it?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:02 pm Now see, I disagree with this.

The onus is on you to try to understand as well. It's a two-way street. This is a team game.

I mean I've tried to understand it. I don't get it. The reasoning is incoherent. It defends posts of Lavenders I didn't even think were scummy and doesn't address the scummiest Lavender posts at all.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:03 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:01 pmYou think I'm faking all of this? Nah. If I'm wolf here I'd be much more complacent. I can style on any of you easily in FX. If I'm wolf here you've all lost already.

Ouch. And if you are scum saying that I will literally scream. (Not to make you feel bad if you are. But gurl)

Don't worry, I'm not.

Trust me, if I had all the information, I could put in less effort and look townier than I do right now.

[mention]1612[/mention] I asked you earlier how confident you are in your Lav read? Do you think it's possible you could be wrong here?

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] and [mention]tedxtr[/mention] , between Lavendar and Michelle, who is more scum to you based off their interactions. I don't think Jeraldoo needs a vote for the one vote we have so I would like to hear your thoughts on this topic rather

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:03 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:01 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:49 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:49 pm [VOTE: 1612] aubergine

Explain please, I'm anxious.

I've given the only explanation I have. I don't think their posts look comfortable.

It is strictly optimal to vote either Lavender or Michelle today. Do so now, please.

I will.

But I would like to know why.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:04 pm It's EoD in like 2 hours.

I know. And it takes me 2 seconds to move my vote. =p