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Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:16 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:43 pm i have tmi on tsp bc hes my mason

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:17 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:13 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:09 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:06 am I think Quin is right here. I think Nutella could be the lost wolf.
Oh wait, was it Quin? Or was it someone else? Either way, I recall someone mentioning this possibility.

And because Nutella is a lost wolf, she doesn't know if the note came from town or scum, so I think she outs what the note says either way if this is what's happening.
I think Quin thinks I'm the lost wolf, but that nutella is the true mafia.

In the scenario I'm thinking about, the lost wolf is more likely to have the bulletproof vest, not the main mafia, because the main mafia would be the one(s) making the night kills. With her dayvig ability and her potential to kill mafia, I think she'd be a HUGE target for mafia last night. Thus, it makes more sense that she's the lost wolf with a bulletproof vest. The icing on the top is that she received a message, just like Sloonei did when he died, which makes me think notes get sent and revealed by those who get attacked by the main mafia.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:24 am**

There wasn't a not when Syn was killed though, although I guess it's likely someone else (possibly Sloonei) was killed instead

Did someone receive a note Night 1 that they revealed?

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:24 am**

So, here's what I get from this:

Nutella is a lost wolf
TSP is most likely town, if not mechanically locked town
Quin is subjectively locked town for me because they protected TSP when everybody seemed to be turning against him, including me

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:25 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:24 am There wasn't a not when Syn was killed though, although I guess it's likely someone else (possibly Sloonei) was killed instead

Did someone receive a note Night 1 that they revealed?

This is where my theory breaks down, because as far as I can tell, no note was revealed. I'll check again though to be sure.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:27 am**

I dunno, that feels like a stretch.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:29 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:27 am I dunno, that feels like a stretch.

So... like... I know it miiiight be a stretch? Lol. Buuuut... it seems to work out perfectly in my head.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:33 am**

It makes sense except for the primary condition it's based on, that there's a second bulletproof in the game that belongs to the LW. The only evidence we have for that to be true is anecdotal evidence from a previous game.

I won't rule it out, I just don't think that evidence stacks up as well as the evidence we have in this game.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:35 am**

Maybe we do just yeet Alison and see what happens.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:37 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:17 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:57 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:07 pm Things really popped off in punk chat between me+Trustworthy plus Quin.
ok so like

TL believes nutella is lost wolf and that lost wolf will only gain a kill when/if they become the last scum standing

so why does TL insist on RB nutella last night "in case she has a night kill" if he doesn't think shes the last scum standing (hasn't contested the idea of 4 scum, meaning 2 are currently alive)
@Trustworthy Liberal You said you were back on nutella being town last EOD. Why is she the lost wolf now? And what happened to your read on me?

AS SAID IN CHAT I NEVER SAID 100% NUTELLA IS LW I SAID THERE IS A WORLD IN WHICH THEY ARE.
Quinn can stop wrongfully quoting me for now please while i have been at work.

Also while i believe there was reason an a case to RB you over the night when i reread stuff with a cooler head i cam to the idea that we should always RB Nutella as they are the likely hood of math better.

Alison W/Nutella W Targeting either is MEH
Alison W/Nutella T has the member in the punk gang carry kill
Alison T/Nutella W Nutella is a better target.
Alison T/Nutella T NUTELLA IS ALWAYS THE BEST TARGET AS THEY CLAIMED A DAY ACTION OVER A NUGHT ONE.

Also the fact Marmot agreed to RB one of Alison and Nutella and swtiched to TSP is WTF

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:40 am**

I sowwies

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:44 am**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:01 pm if marmot wanted to cancel it he would've just voted Alison with me. But that would have lead to questions.

And the way they did doesn't????

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:46 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:30 pm Nah, marmot doesn't block me and shoot me, right

Depends if a tracker would see them twice here same thing with watcher.
If an attack did happen last night i feel it was on Hyena or You.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:47 am**

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:55 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:54 pm lol, I just had a thought

What if the lost wolf has a bullet proof vest (or an infinite number of them) and the mafia attacked them last night? In a game I played a couple years, I was a lost wolf with an infinite number of vests, and this is how the mafia eventually found me.
In this case, the lost wolf doesn't have to be TSP. Like, who do you guys think would have been the most likely to be attacked last night?

Well you...
but i feel you mentioning this in the world you are LW is saying please don't kill me mafia.

But you have been insanly towny here and in the neibourhood.
Less then that can be said about marmot and Quinn last night in it.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:50 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:07 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:04 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:02 pm like i have a theory that marmot switched the RB from nutella because he knows she's bad and needs a kill to go through

their double team on me for tmi just now is affirming that a bit
I'm asking because nobody has claimed being a protector. Rather, everyone has claimed or is clearly some other ability with the exception of Alison, but she's countering your suggestion.

Based on this, I don't see anyone being a possible protector.
I mean unless it's exactly Quin and he can self-protect (as he seemed to go along with an assumption he was targeted) (which I find weird as he was a leading wagon yesterday but I need more clarity on TSP's claim as well)

(really everyone should just fullclaim and stop being cagey)

This is a major point in the fact Quinn kept saying if i die do___ last nigt which i don't like as they are never being wolf killed here base on as you said being a main wagon.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:50 am**

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:47 am But you have been insanly towny here and in the neibourhood.
Less then that can be said about marmot and Quinn last night in it.

Could you explain in a little more detail why Hyena looked insanely townie last night in chat, but Quin and I did not?

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:54 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:50 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:47 am But you have been insanly towny here and in the neibourhood.
Less then that can be said about marmot and Quinn last night in it.
Could you explain in a little more detail why Hyena looked insanely townie last night in chat, but Quin and I did not?

Me and hyena activly put in work and and their pushing and willing to consider multiplie options comes off as towny. Not to mention their interactions before in chat.
Quinn: Never was reconsidering and spent the time trying to call all my pushs wolf to the point of coming into thread and saying i was 100% on Nutella LW when i said it was a posibility and incase they got ADDED TO WOLF CHAT from a mechainc that we have no knowledge of i wanted to RB them over Alison someone we didn't know a claim of and might have had a Town Investigative ability to gain infor of.
Marmat: Gave little import and when asked agreed to the suppose targets and then switched it to the person both me a hynea VETOED in wanting to target.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:01 am**

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:54 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:50 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:47 am But you have been insanly towny here and in the neibourhood.
Less then that can be said about marmot and Quinn last night in it.
Could you explain in a little more detail why Hyena looked insanely townie last night in chat, but Quin and I did not?
Me and hyena activly put in work and and their pushing and willing to consider multiplie options comes off as towny. Not to mention their interactions before in chat.
Quinn: Never was reconsidering and spent the time trying to call all my pushs wolf to the point of coming into thread and saying i was 100% on Nutella LW when i said it was a posibility and incase they got ADDED TO WOLF CHAT from a mechainc that we have no knowledge of i wanted to RB them over Alison someone we didn't know a claim of and might have had a Town Investigative ability to gain infor of.
Marmat: Gave little import and when asked agreed to the suppose targets and then switched it to the person both me a hynea VETOED in wanting to target.

Did you forget the conversation you and I had earlier on in the night lol

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:16 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:01 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:54 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:50 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:47 am But you have been insanly towny here and in the neibourhood.
Less then that can be said about marmot and Quinn last night in it.
Could you explain in a little more detail why Hyena looked insanely townie last night in chat, but Quin and I did not?
Me and hyena activly put in work and and their pushing and willing to consider multiplie options comes off as towny. Not to mention their interactions before in chat.
Quinn: Never was reconsidering and spent the time trying to call all my pushs wolf to the point of coming into thread and saying i was 100% on Nutella LW when i said it was a posibility and incase they got ADDED TO WOLF CHAT from a mechainc that we have no knowledge of i wanted to RB them over Alison someone we didn't know a claim of and might have had a Town Investigative ability to gain infor of.
Marmat: Gave little import and when asked agreed to the suppose targets and then switched it to the person both me a hynea VETOED in wanting to target.
Did you forget the conversation you and I had earlier on in the night lol

I was not counting the 75% mech talk and informing me of nutellas claim as solving in the chat or being towny.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:30 am**

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:06 am I think Quin is right here. I think Nutella could be the lost wolf.

I am not, my rolecard is explicitly town

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:30 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:12 am Actually, don't nutella and TSP also have a private chat? So much info has come out in this thread, I'm having trouble recollecting.

No that was a joke

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:32 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:24 am There wasn't a not when Syn was killed though, although I guess it's likely someone else (possibly Sloonei) was killed instead

Did someone receive a note Night 1 that they revealed?

On N1 I received knowledge of the existence of the role that Sloonei later flipped as

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:32 am**

That was from Enrique, he claimed sending me a thing

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:42 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:40 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:12 pm TSP pls more info pls aaaaaaaaa
I've given a whole lot of info.
targets:
1) alison
2) sloonei
3) quin

I additionally have one shot bulletproof but don't get infromed if I've been shot, which in the absence of other possibilities is what I'm assuming happened.
I wrote a big strategy guide for what to do after quin got locked up and we were in pseudo F5 but this also appears to not be necessary.
This is like the one story that makes TSP look extremely town.

So where do we go from here....

Also, TSP, why did you lock Quin up?

I gave the short version already. Basically, what would happen is the following: we enter a day with presumably 5 alive. There was a block, so whoever was blocked is clear. If Quin is scum, consider: we have five in thread, basically with 2 clears or essential clears at worst. We chop one non clear, block another, we have 2/3 odds of hitting the wolf. If Quin is town, same thing.
Now let’s assume that we enter the thread with 6. This gives information but it’s kinda weak. 1: I was shot, 2: block worked, 3: Quin had the kill. But I’ve removed Quin, so we sleep that night, I remove someone else, we block another non-clear, and either there are no kills or else we have auto. If there are no kills two nights in a row at that point we probably? can logic our way through the game.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:42 am**

I thought about it for a long time but also not more than 30 minutes but I think it’s right

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:45 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:12 am Actually, don't nutella and TSP also have a private chat? So much info has come out in this thread, I'm having trouble recollecting.

That was not a thing

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:45 am**

I think it's TL/Marmot.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:46 am**

Marmot seemed to get a lot more flatfooted after I started turning around on TSP and was pretty strongly angling for a TSP exe earlier.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:47 am**

Shoot Alison, hammer sleep if flips town something if flips maf, maybe block me /again/ and go to f5 with mechs? Seems meh

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:47 am**

By meh I mean actively terrible

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:48 am**

Also Alison weren’t you supposed to be sleeping?

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:48 am**

Or did you have school

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:48 am**

Or did you have school

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:49 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:48 am Also Alison weren’t you supposed to be sleeping?

Insomnia. Woke up and went out.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:49 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:47 am Shoot Alison, hammer sleep if flips town something if flips maf, maybe block me /again/ and go to f5 with mechs? Seems meh

Shooting the person who is confirmed to have been unable to submit nightkills the night Sloonei died seems extremely suboptimal

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:49 am**

Alison can you claim note sender

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:50 am**

also I don't trust the roleblock to give us auto since nanook gave it a failure mode for a reason

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:50 am**

It mechanically has to be you or the wolves at this point

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:50 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:49 am Alison can you claim note sender

i am not note sender

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:50 am**

Why the heck are the wolves helping town

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:50 am**

Nutella can you claim not bpv

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:50 am**

I'm not shooting Alison.

[VOTE: trustworthy] aubergine again I guess

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:51 am**

I'm not bpv

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:53 am**

This is a complete game, info gets revealed on flips, we’ve all claimed, and there are PRO TOWN ROLE(S) JUST SITTING AROUND

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:53 am**

Alison still hasn’t claimed

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:54 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:53 am This is a complete game, info gets revealed on flips, we’ve all claimed, and there are PRO TOWN ROLE(S) JUST SITTING AROUND

THERE MIGHT BE A REASON FOR THIS!!!!!!!

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:54 am**

Hold on.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:54 am**

Vote: Nutella??

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:54 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:50 am I'm not shooting Alison.

[VOTE: trustworthy] aubergine again I guess

You are the one who swaped off the Wolf wagon to vote TH who was beingtowny last seond without leaving any option for them to defend themselves.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:54 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:50 am Why the heck are the wolves helping town

well I doubt that the wolves are helping town consciously. my current ideas are:

1) it's not intentional - giving town scraps of info is a side effect of some other ability they're using and is a downside to balance it. problem with this theory is that giving town info is a pretty big downside so the ability must be seriously powerful, yet we've seen nothing that helps scum to that extent.

2) the wolves are writing the notes themselves and putting misleading info into the notes.

3) some hidden mechanic is giving us the notes - there's nothing that says the events that happen this game have to be directly triggered by a player. many games have background mechanics and it wouldn't be completely nonsensical for a game like this to be "you have a bunch of redactions and mystery effects in your role PMs, but you get scraps of info to fill in the blanks a little better as time goes by"

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