The Syndicate

poop is town yeah

im letting alison figure out the mech stuff though

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:44 pm do not speculate about that which you do not understand

i will speculate all i want

it won't all make sense but that's optional

I believe Alison and Nutella are town.

This leads me to clearing some people on the basis of their reads and gamestate blah blah blah my brain operates at ADHD levels sometimes the POE is Honey & Vinegar, Mana + one of Julinook and FalconKnows.

Nutella what's going on with Nanook and Juliets talk about that slot plz.

I believe there is one wolf between FK and Mana. FK is the player I am most likely to have miscleared, and if they are town I have solid reasons to read everyone else in the playerlist town which leaves the POE small enough that it can't be anyone other than Mana. But if I did misclear FK then Mana is almost certainly town for calling them out when everyone else was townreading them. Here's my clears:

Toopy is town because medium makes a lot of sense with mafia janitor and the way they went around claiming their reaction test on TAT was villagery.
Poop is town because they're a claimed bodyguard who has committed themselves to hard townreading/sheeping us.
Timsup2gettinserious is town because they've been extremely townie on play and have made moves that I really wouldn't expect from scum Hyena/Syn.
TSPIC is town because of their townclearing Toopy and having a good chance of being the town counterwagon from D1 wagonomics (it beggars belief that there are 0 wolves between BT/TAT/Mana, and TSPIC had pressure on them at the same time all of those slots were being run up).
trans rights are townie on play and cleared from pushes if either BT or TAT are mafia, and it seems to me very likely that at least one of those two are mafia.

Lesser townreads:

Julinook is cleared if TAT is mafia which is reasonably likely, and juliet seems very firmly in her town meta.
H&V is also pretty townie on play, and if TAT is town he's cleared.

That leaves the POE extremely small, at FK/Mana/BT.

If I am correct on my D1 read of FK town then there's almost certainly 1 scum and a significant chance of 2 in Mana/BT.

If I am wrong on my D1 read of FK town, then Mana is cleared and there's almost certainly 1 scum and a significant chance of 2 in FK/BT.

BT looks bad to me either way because it seems really unlikely to have 2 redirecting protectors in a 13P. I also think they could easily have planned to fakeclaim bodyguard as mafia and then rolecopped Poop, realized they'd get CC'ed, and had to amend their fakeclaim on the go.

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 08#p780308
c4 checking in to say jules is obvious town

There have been arguments offered to the extent that BT and Poop's role can coexist.

Let us examine the world where BT is town. Who am I misclearing? I don't think FK and Mana are wolves together, so even if there's 1 in those, assuming a wolf team of 3 there has to be at least one more wolf on the loose in my townreads in the best case scenario (TAT being a wolf). If TAT is town then I'm misclearing at least two people in the world where BT is town.

TAT can't be wolf with julinooks, but could with H&V. It could be H&V + (FK/Mana) + TAT in a town BT world. It could be julinooks + (FK/Mana) + one of my higher clears.

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:46 pm Nutella what's going on with Nanook and Juliets talk about that slot plz.

idk felt more like town nook d1 but i dont have the best track record

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:48 pm BT looks bad to me either way because it seems really unlikely to have 2 redirecting protectors in a 13P. I also think they could easily have planned to fakeclaim bodyguard as mafia and then rolecopped Poop, realized they'd get CC'ed, and had to amend their fakeclaim on the go.

i mean i feel like it'd be easier to come up with a more reasonable-to-exist-with-bodyguard fakeclaim than make up an elaborate story on how i misread my abilities and also happen to play pretty firmly in my "i expect to self resolve before people need to read me" meta

Who were the people other than Mana who were scumreading FK?

I am fairly convinced Poop is town and I believe his roleclaim. Therefore.

If I believe that Poop and BT's claims can coexist I should vote in FK/Mana, probably Mana. FK's SOD today was pretty uninspiring but Mana's EOD yesterday was horrible.

If I do not believe that Poop and BT's claims can coexist I should just vote BT obviously.

you have no reason why you should assume they cannot coexist

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:54 pm I am fairly convinced Poop is town and I believe his roleclaim. Therefore.

If I believe that Poop and BT's claims can coexist I should vote in FK/Mana, probably Mana. FK's SOD today was pretty uninspiring but Mana's EOD yesterday was horrible.

If I do not believe that Poop and BT's claims can coexist I should just vote BT obviously.

vote Bottom Text today and Poop Explosions D3

ez win

Town Mac independently coming at a very similar POE to mine two posts before I released my own POE makes me think it's just a good POE and I should vote the overlap between the two.

In this case Mana.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:48 pm Timsup2gettinserious is town because they've been extremely townie on play and have made moves that I really wouldn't expect from scum Hyena/Syn.

I kinda wanna just say godread YOLO but I don't get "extremely townie on play" at all.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

i'll consider mechanical implications later

from what i recall esooa thinks poop are villaging so whatever

Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:55 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:54 pm I am fairly convinced Poop is town and I believe his roleclaim. Therefore.

If I believe that Poop and BT's claims can coexist I should vote in FK/Mana, probably Mana. FK's SOD today was pretty uninspiring but Mana's EOD yesterday was horrible.

If I do not believe that Poop and BT's claims can coexist I should just vote BT obviously.

vote Bottom Text today and Poop Explosions D3

ez win

outed mafia if BT is town

this'll be my last post for a bit, gonna play some games and unwind since the entire gamestate revolving around me is not doing my brain any favors:

if i were a wolf you'd never have considered D1ing me, and my claim would be better

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:56 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:48 pm Timsup2gettinserious is town because they've been extremely townie on play and have made moves that I really wouldn't expect from scum Hyena/Syn.

I kinda wanna just say godread YOLO but I don't get "extremely townie on play" at all.

Syn is usually quiet and UTR as scum and his conviction about TAT this game seemed pretty villagery. Hyena has done a lot of solving. I don't know Hyena's wolf game but doing a ton of solving in a D1 that I suspect was pretty favorable for the town is classically townie on play.

Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:55 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:54 pm I am fairly convinced Poop is town and I believe his roleclaim. Therefore.

If I believe that Poop and BT's claims can coexist I should vote in FK/Mana, probably Mana. FK's SOD today was pretty uninspiring but Mana's EOD yesterday was horrible.

If I do not believe that Poop and BT's claims can coexist I should just vote BT obviously.

vote Bottom Text today and Poop Explosions D3

ez win

was this a joke

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:58 pm this'll be my last post for a bit, gonna play some games and unwind since the entire gamestate revolving around me is not doing my brain any favors:

if i were a wolf you'd never have considered D1ing me, and my claim would be better

"If I was a wolf I would be townier" is an argument I have literally never believed in my entire life and probably never will ever.

trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:42 pm poop explosions is almost certainly a villager pretty sure.

i'll be back later. i'm processing some of the stuff that's going on.

Mac wanted van's head until this post btw

Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:41 pm

Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 8:41 pm

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:30 pm We agreed AH and H&V are town with basically no discussion. I'm not sure what changed Mac's mind either.

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 7:30 pm H&V are town

Yeah, no, fuck that. Practically everyone ignored H&V's existence yesterday. You don't get to come in here and suddenly have a read on them. I'm calling bullshit. I bet you didn't even read a single post of their's.

- Hyena

Why don't you go into more detail about H&V. Talk to me about them.

do please

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:58 pm this'll be my last post for a bit, gonna play some games and unwind since the entire gamestate revolving around me is not doing my brain any favors:

if i were a wolf you'd never have considered D1ing me, and my claim would be better

you aren't playing on MU so this isn't true

can we have a bigger postcap please... 200 post cap hydra game makes me wanna die

Think katze's been towny today in a vacuum
Fuck mech

(c4 desu)

I am probably making this harder than it should be. BT should never be exed if I believe Poop's role is dissimilar enough that it does not amount to a CC, because in that world they are essentially an un-CC'd doctor. Poop themselves are vouching for and defending BT, and they are obvious town so I should just leave BT alone and resolve Mana/FK instead.

Yeah Mana is probably the right vote today.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:00 pm

Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:55 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:54 pm I am fairly convinced Poop is town and I believe his roleclaim. Therefore.

If I believe that Poop and BT's claims can coexist I should vote in FK/Mana, probably Mana. FK's SOD today was pretty uninspiring but Mana's EOD yesterday was horrible.

If I do not believe that Poop and BT's claims can coexist I should just vote BT obviously.

vote Bottom Text today and Poop Explosions D3

ez win

was this a joke

if you agree, no

if you disagree, yes

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 7:02 pm Bottom Text
4
24%
Voters: Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough
FalconKnows

Mana
3
18%
Voters: Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions

Mana's wagon is way purer than BT's imo. TAT and Mana could easily both be wolves, whereas I actively townread everyone on the Mana wagon.

im on board with alisons poe and mana vote

Also if TAT is wolf Mana is spewed wolf for voting TAT's counterwagon and lying about it being self pres.

Can I get GTH lists from everyone?

Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:03 pm
if you agree, no

if you disagree, yes

Okay well I disagreed with it and felt it was a really forced way of trying to set up those exes. Why did you choose BT/Poop to consecutively exe when I proposed Mana/FK as another likely one-wolf-in dichotomy?

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:52 pm Who were the people other than Mana who were scumreading FK?

me

~mawile

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:05 pm Can I get GTH lists from everyone?

AH v
BT v
FK w
H&V w
Julinook v
Mana w
Tim v
TSPIC v
T&B v
tr v

-c4

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:07 pm

Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:03 pm
if you agree, no

if you disagree, yes

Okay well I disagreed with it and felt it was a really forced way of trying to set up those exes. Why did you choose BT/Poop to consecutively exe when I proposed Mana/FK as another likely one-wolf-in dichotomy?

I did a forced setup earlier than your world proposal.

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 80#p781280

i have secret reasons for suspecting them

trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:07 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:52 pm Who were the people other than Mana who were scumreading FK?

me

~mawile

If FK is scum then trans rights scumread her own partner who was getting consensus townread by the rest of the thread for no reason.
If Mana is scum then trans rights CFDed her own partner for no reason.
If TAT is scum then trans rights buried her own partner D1 for no reason.
If BT is scum then trans rights buried her own partner D1 for no reason.

It seems almost impossible for there to be no scum in these four and tremendously unlikely for there to be less than 2.

So trans rights is spewed town.

Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:10 pm I did a forced setup earlier than your world proposal.

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 80#p781280

i have secret reasons for suspecting them

Can you un-secretify those reasons?

i'm not sure if my role, poop explosions' roles, and bottom text's role makes sense to be all village and i'm leaving it at that

we're not claiming today unless we somehow get to like l-2 or l-1

i'll do the gth list after i shower

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 9:33 pm I'm assuming Urist correctly guessed our flavor because he rolecopped us
Which means there's no damn way he should still be pushing us if he's town

I honestly am thinking H&V is probably scum.

-Toopy

trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:14 pm i'm not sure if my role, poop explosions' roles, and bottom text's role makes sense to be all village and i'm leaving it at that

we're not claiming today unless we somehow get to like l-2 or l-1

i'll do the gth list after i shower

omg are we getting another pseudo CC

Tfw everyone tells you "NOOOO YOU CAN'T READ ALISON SHE'S AN OP WOLF IT'S A WASTE OF YOUR TIME" and then you maintain your perfect record reading her D1

trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:14 pm i'm not sure if my role, poop explosions' roles, and bottom text's role makes sense to be all village and i'm leaving it at that

we're not claiming today unless we somehow get to like l-2 or l-1

i'll do the gth list after i shower

I mean if TAT was 3P, it probably does.

I am pretty confident trans rights and Poop are town and telling the truth so if all of trans/Poop/BT claims cannot coexist then BT is probably just outed

nutella stop

BT's 4 voters - Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough
Mana's 3 voters - Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions
TwoAndThrough's 4 voters - Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text
TSPIC voter - The Walrus
No voters - Falcon

Hmmm. The Walrus then dies? Only voter on the TSPIC wagon. Probably never a wolf kill they would make it's too obvious.
Mana wagon is very pure.
But Mana is voting for BT in a tie. If Mana wagon is pure >rand wolf and that means their vote is >rand on a town.
So if Mana is a wolf, and TAT WAS a wolf, then the other teammate is probably either trans rights or Akemi Hazelnut, or an absent FalconKnows I guess?
But Akemi Hazelnut is currently operating inside that very POE so it's almost certainly not them. Trans Rights also playing the POE game in a tight window.
Makes me think TAT is always a wolf. Which strongly clears all the TAT voters. But then why did none of them die? Why kill The Walrus? Perhaps @Bottom Text did you actually get an action in?

Doesn't QUITE stack up. So what if TAT AND BT are both town. The janitoring might be a passive (no flips til you die) wolf role maybe.
Mana wolf equity is through the roof no matter what. I take TSPIC and Julinook as town for it. I take the kill as pure wifom. I take the mafia teammates of mana to be probably Falcon and ONE active wolf in this case.
I think this makes the most sense. Falcon + someone getting more townreads, that isn't on the Mana wagon. I feel like ... Timsup2gettingserious profiles.

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:09 pm

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:05 pm Can I get GTH lists from everyone?

AH v
BT v
FK w
H&V w
Julinook v
Mana w
Tim v
TSPIC v
T&B v
tr v

-c4

I’ll be honest.
I don’t think your wolf reads are correct.
But I think 1 or 2 of them are.

Like I think you have at least 1 wolf in your village reads.

-Toopy

bottom text isn't necessarily outed but we both still think they're very likely to be wolfing

[VOTE: Mana] aubergine is mafia or the wolves are all deep.