The Syndicate

Exactly what about my suspicions seems circular to you Rox? I've been advocating against circular thinking, particularly in regards to Made.

What are your thoughts on that?

That day 1 vote is my typical don't know who to vote for playstyle. Nothing unusual there. I normally vote late and on this occasion it was very late.

I do take responsibility for my vote but it UNARGUABLE that SVS influenced me.

So stick that where the sun doesn't shine!!!!

^That was addressed to Roxy.

juliets wrote:I didn't even think to look in Alice in Wonderland to see if all or some of my PM was there, but now I did and wow, it was from the Mad Hatter! Thanks for the idea zeek! So that just leaves the other curse where I haven't figured out the sender. Still possibly Snape.

Also, since Lily seems to have died out after a day doesn't that argue more for her being a Voldemort horcrux?

MP I will think about your theory but I'm not ready to put a vote there yet.

linki

Made said this as well, could you explain why?

And Lily was not a horcrux. Lily was an avatar of light.

Timmer - great post about Snow/DH. I could be down tovote either of them tbqh.

DH - lemme pull quotes when I get home. Until I pull the quotes and you have responded I will not vote for you seems more champion-like.

Snow - why dont you stick it up your ass instead?

Roxy wrote:Timmer - great post about Snow/DH. I could be down tovote either of them tbqh.

DH - lemme pull quotes when I get home. Until I pull the quotes and you have responded I will not vote for you seems more champion-like.

Snow - why dont you stick it up your ass instead?

Very droll.

Ooh look, the bitch voted for me.

Ok. I went too far. I get it. Naughty boy!

Christ.

Where??

S~V~S wrote:Where??

Everywhere

Long Con or whoever asked, yes i was talking about this game not another. The mad hatter cursed me on the night I got cursed twice. I figured this out when zeek referenced a "book" in connection with the hatter (I had to think a few minutes before I realized he was talking Alice in Wonderland). So I googled AIW for the words in the message I got and there it was, straight from the book. There was also another statement in the message that now in retrospect told me it was the Mad Hatter. So I think what MP was saying is my cursings happened at a time when INH couldn't have done them, maybe because he was dead. (Even though I said "them" there is only one curse from the Hatter. The other had to be from someone else).

Also, I'm not saying I believe SVS is bad but I don't see anyone else addressing that Lily Potter disappeared after one day. Is there a way to explain that that doesn't involve SVS? Generally when I discover something like this I'm all wrong in my thinking or missed something important in the discussion. Such as Snapes potions or horcruxes also disappear after one day. I don't know the books or remember the game well enough to remember that.

I missed SVS's post about Lily being an avatar of light. Forget what I said in my last post.

Voted. nothing will change my mind. His reply to me only served to prove he is bad. Now I am a bitch - well thanks Snow! I think you are quite peachy! <3

S~V~S wrote:

juliets wrote:I didn't even think to look in Alice in Wonderland to see if all or some of my PM was there, but now I did and wow, it was from the Mad Hatter! Thanks for the idea zeek! So that just leaves the other curse where I haven't figured out the sender. Still possibly Snape.

Also, since Lily seems to have died out after a day doesn't that argue more for her being a Voldemort horcrux?

MP I will think about your theory but I'm not ready to put a vote there yet.

linki

Made said this as well, could you explain why?

And Lily was not a horcrux. Lily was an avatar of light.

SVS, Made said what as well?

thellama73 wrote:The sexual tension between Roxy and Snow Dog is unbearable.

I have already had quite enough of you when you were alive must you continue to antagonize me????

juliets wrote:I missed SVS's post about Lily being an avatar of light. Forget what I said in my last post.

I don't understand why disappearing after one day makes a difference. Could you explain this?

S~V~S wrote:

juliets wrote:I missed SVS's post about Lily being an avatar of light. Forget what I said in my last post.

I don't understand why disappearing after one day makes a difference. Could you explain this?

The role description for Voldemort says his horcruxes must be used each night and die out after use.

Nice post, timmer. I was going to do something like that myself but I think you put a better case than I would have.

I think voting off any of the people not playing is helpful right now. If the game gets to the point in which there's weak cases and nobody really stands out by all means lets start culling the dead weight, but right now it feels like a cop out.

I'm going to put my vote on DH and leave it up to someone to convince me he's not a Suit. If he flips that way, the last one is either Daisy or Snowy in my opnion. Both seem linked to him.

In regard to juliets' curse, Made was very quiet on the contents of his message. He said it involved a shape or some shit. How possible is it he was lying about his curse?

Snow Dog wrote:I do take responsibility for my vote but it UNARGUABLE that SVS influenced me.

I always want to believe you, Snowy, I do. Hence the rank bet I lost to MP in Who. But please show me a post showing this cause I can't find one.


lots of linki - I presume Snape used a power and it lasted for one phase/Day?
More linki - We'll be good, Daddy

juliets wrote:Long Con or whoever asked, yes i was talking about this game not another. The mad hatter cursed me on the night I got cursed twice. I figured this out when zeek referenced a "book" in connection with the hatter (I had to think a few minutes before I realized he was talking Alice in Wonderland). So I googled AIW for the words in the message I got and there it was, straight from the book. There was also another statement in the message that now in retrospect told me it was the Mad Hatter. So I think what MP was saying is my cursings happened at a time when INH couldn't have done them, maybe because he was dead. (Even though I said "them" there is only one curse from the Hatter. The other had to be from someone else).

Also, I'm not saying I believe SVS is bad but I don't see anyone else addressing that Lily Potter disappeared after one day. Is there a way to explain that that doesn't involve SVS? Generally when I discover something like this I'm all wrong in my thinking or missed something important in the discussion. Such as Snapes potions or horcruxes also disappear after one day. I don't know the books or remember the game well enough to remember that.

Thanks for clarifying.

I think it makes sense for Lily to be around for one day whether it's Snape or Voldemort. They cast the 'Lily' spell the night before, and can post as Lily for the following day, or whatever. They have other spells to do the other nights, why would that spell effect hang around?

zeek wrote:I think voting off any of the people not playing is helpful right now.

"Isn't", maybe?

Long Con wrote: Thanks for clarifying.

I think it makes sense for Lily to be around for one day whether it's Snape or Voldemort. They cast the 'Lily' spell the night before, and can post as Lily for the following day, or whatever. They have other spells to do the other nights, why would that spell effect hang around?

I actually thought Lily would hang around for a while as some of the extra non-playing characters in other games. I didn't realize at first she was a spell. But yes, through the conversation about this I agree it could be either but most likely Snape if it was an avatar of light.

juliets wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

juliets wrote:I missed SVS's post about Lily being an avatar of light. Forget what I said in my last post.

I don't understand why disappearing after one day makes a difference. Could you explain this?

The role description for Voldemort says his horcruxes must be used each night and die out after use.

So do you think Reys curse or similar posting effects could have been a horcrux? Or just normal night powers that last one day?

Long Con wrote:

zeek wrote:I think voting off any of the people not playing is helpful right now.

"Isn't", maybe?

Sorry, yes. Isn't. Do you agree?

Snow Dog wrote:Ooh look, the bitch voted for me.

Hey look, I'm voting for you, too. Am I a bitch, too? Try to act like a fucking adult.

Snow Dog wrote:Ok. I went too far. I get it. Naughty boy!

By the way, this post reads like someone in btsc told him to backtrack from that post. And DH is present. I'm sticking with my vote.

If this lynch isn't going DH, count my vote in for Snow Dog. But a lot of people may be either-or, so I'll leave it on DH for now.

Also, even if Hedgeowl is the Mad Hatter... why would we lynch her? It's not in anyone's win condition to kill the Mad Hatter, barring some secret. I'm especially surprised at MP for voting an Indy, for obvious reasons. What's up MP, is this a trolly jab of some sort? The Mad Hatter also hasn't killed anyone or really done any harm, beyond some forcing-curses or whatever.

zeek wrote:

Long Con wrote:

zeek wrote:I think voting off any of the people not playing is helpful right now.

"Isn't", maybe?

Sorry, yes. Isn't. Do you agree?

Yes, I do agree. DH first for sure, and the Snow Dog case is very good as well. I have a couple of other names to bring up when DH finally gets around to flipping bad, but I don't want to lose focus on the sure thing.

And I agree with Zeek, people discussing voting for absent players is not helpful and makes no sense when those of us who ARE posting are discussing suspicions. And in my experience absent players are more often civ or bored indy anyway. Anyone pushing an absent player vote will get an increasing amount of from me the more they push it.

Linki LC, Im fine with DH today as well at this point.

S~V~S wrote:

juliets wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

juliets wrote:I missed SVS's post about Lily being an avatar of light. Forget what I said in my last post.

I don't understand why disappearing after one day makes a difference. Could you explain this?

The role description for Voldemort says his horcruxes must be used each night and die out after use.

So do you think Reys curse or similar posting effects could have been a horcrux? Or just normal night powers that last one day?

The only curse I remember of Rey's was the emoticon curse. I knew it couldn't be the silencers so my presumption was it was one of the others - and there are a lot of others with secrets and potions. I don't know if it was a horcrux, potion, or secret. I don't know if there would be a horcrux for such an everyday thing as a posting curse but then I don't remember exactly what a horcrux is. I think of it as a spell. Why would you ask about Rey's emoticon curse?

Because most posting effects and night powers last one day.

Personally, I thought DH's theory was insane and proves to me he'll throw any idea out there to get attention elsewhere. I thought my insistent posts about no shows were evidently trolling, but I suppose not.

With that said, I do honestly think not showing up for a game, especially this one, is very unChampion like and INCREDIBLY annoying to those of who actually play. But Epig is running the game and I respect his treatment of dealing with nonparticipants.

But at the end of the day, I've said who my biggest suspects are, and I'd ideally be more than fine with a DH vote.

My Daisy and Hedgeowl votes were just to see what would happen. Lol. I am an outed Indy, guys, don't take me TOO seriously all the time.

Ebwop, I say 'most' because I know of one power that comes back over and over in this game. But MOST night powers only last one cycle in my experience.

And don't get me wrong, I'd LOVE to vote out the no shows. I just agree that it's a total cop out if we're actually trying to catch baddies at this stage.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Personally, I thought DH's theory was insane and proves to me he'll throw any idea out there to get attention elsewhere. I thought my insistent posts about no shows were evidently trolling, but I suppose not.

With that said, I do honestly think not showing up for a game, especially this one, is very unChampion like and INCREDIBLY annoying to those of who actually play. But Epig is running the game and I respect his treatment of dealing with nonparticipants.

But at the end of the day, I've said who my biggest suspects are, and I'd ideally be more than fine with a DH vote.

My Daisy and Hedgeowl votes were just to see what would happen. Lol. I am an outed Indy, guys, don't take me TOO seriously all the time.

Honestly whatever. I'm fine with getting lynched in this game. My Hedge thing was not an attempt to get any attention anywhere.

If anything recent days just proves what I already thought. Mafia is no longer fun for me.

DharmaHelper wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Personally, I thought DH's theory was insane and proves to me he'll throw any idea out there to get attention elsewhere. I thought my insistent posts about no shows were evidently trolling, but I suppose not.

With that said, I do honestly think not showing up for a game, especially this one, is very unChampion like and INCREDIBLY annoying to those of who actually play. But Epig is running the game and I respect his treatment of dealing with nonparticipants.

But at the end of the day, I've said who my biggest suspects are, and I'd ideally be more than fine with a DH vote.

My Daisy and Hedgeowl votes were just to see what would happen. Lol. I am an outed Indy, guys, don't take me TOO seriously all the time.

Honestly whatever. I'm fine with getting lynched in this game. My Hedge thing was not an attempt to get any attention anywhere.

If anything recent days just proves what I already thought. Mafia is no longer fun for me.

Don't get upset, DH, it's certainly an interesting theory. I just find it very unlikely, although I did entertain that writing a role where someone has to avoid the thread would be incredibly intriguing (but incredibly unconventional). I just feel like your gameplay this game has been very subtly pushing in a way that can be conceived as nefarious -- your change from suspecting Llama voters (Bass) to Dom during the Bass/Dom lynch after a Dom vote got traction, your Made is lying argument that almost got someone lynched due to being targeted by a power, etc.

I have considered that you've been genuine all game, which is why I keep going back and forth, but I keep going back to the thought that there's a very real possibility that you're bad. And you have possible connections to known and suspected baddies that could be proven or unproven after your lynch.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I especially always feel sad when someone says that and they're an engaging, participant player. I don't know what's going on in this game lately with people threatening to quit or not having fun, but I know mafia can be a very frustrating game. Especially when 5 people effectively aren't playing. But I don't understand how letting that defeat us or take the fun out of the game is constructive. I personally think Epig has set up an incredibly engaging game for all of us, and even if I lose now I have had a blast this game. But maybe that's just me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Personally, I thought DH's theory was insane and proves to me he'll throw any idea out there to get attention elsewhere. I thought my insistent posts about no shows were evidently trolling, but I suppose not.

With that said, I do honestly think not showing up for a game, especially this one, is very unChampion like and INCREDIBLY annoying to those of who actually play. But Epig is running the game and I respect his treatment of dealing with nonparticipants.

But at the end of the day, I've said who my biggest suspects are, and I'd ideally be more than fine with a DH vote.

My Daisy and Hedgeowl votes were just to see what would happen. Lol. I am an outed Indy, guys, don't take me TOO seriously all the time.

Honestly whatever. I'm fine with getting lynched in this game. My Hedge thing was not an attempt to get any attention anywhere.

If anything recent days just proves what I already thought. Mafia is no longer fun for me.

Don't get upset, DH, it's certainly an interesting theory. I just find it very unlikely, although I did entertain that writing a role where someone has to avoid the thread would be incredibly intriguing (but incredibly unconventional). I just feel like your gameplay this game has been very subtly pushing in a way that can be conceived as nefarious -- your change from suspecting Llama voters (Bass) to Dom during the Bass/Dom lynch after a Dom vote got traction, your Made is lying argument that almost got someone lynched due to being targeted by a power, etc.

I have considered that you've been genuine all game, which is why I keep going back and forth, but I keep going back to the thought that there's a very real possibility that you're bad. And you have possible connections to known and suspected baddies that could be proven or unproven after your lynch.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I especially always feel sad when someone says that and they're an engaging, participant player. I don't know what's going on in this game lately with people threatening to quit or not having fun, but I know mafia can be a very frustrating game. Especially when 5 people effectively aren't playing. But I don't understand how letting that defeat us or take the fun out of the game is constructive. I personally think Epig has set up an incredibly engaging game for all of us, and even if I lose now I have had a blast this game. But maybe that's just me.

I could give a shit if you think the Hedge theory has wings That's not what has me upset. I just don't have the stomach for the pile of mean shit that has been in the thread of late. Thats not the game I grew up on, thats not the game I love. And I've always been very clear about my thoughts regarding non-participation. To see it in a Champions game is just salt on the wound. Again, not the game I grew up on, not the game I love.

Its frustrating, and it shouldn't be. I want to be having fun and I'm not.

S~V~S wrote:Because most posting effects and night powers last one day.

Oh right, i totally agree. The only reason I thought this one might be different is because it was another character. When I've run into this before, the game that sticks out is Inception where Tranq played an extra character, the character is around for more than one day. There have been other games with that mechanic, inception just sticks out for me. Your point is well taken. I asked the question, why hadn't people brought it up, and I'm sure this is why.

On another subject, as far as votes go I'm looking at Snowy. Timmers post was very well put forth to my thinking. I'm also looking at DH but its hard as I've seen him as civvie the whole game.

If we vote out Hedgeowl will that make you feel better? :P

MovingPictures07 wrote:If we vote out Hedgeowl will that make you feel better? :P

No :P

DharmaHelper wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:If we vote out Hedgeowl will that make you feel better? :P

No :P

Dang. Lol.

I could also see myself voting for Snowy today, as I agree timmer made a lot of excellent points, but I've had suspicion of DH off and on all game, and Snowy not so much.

Timmer made a good case against Snowy (And I suppose myself)


While I can't see it as a case for us being teammates (we're not) I can see it as a case of Snowy not wanting to get blood on his hands? Maybe he knew he was damned if he did damned if he didn't, type deal. Wanted to try and pick the option with the least amount of blowback.

Except when it's lynching a Suit, DH, then he won't vote with the majority.

zeek wrote:Except when it's lynching a Suit, DH, then he won't vote with the majority.

I was speaking more to the Day 1 vote

zeek wrote:Except when it's lynching a Suit, DH, then he won't vote with the majority.

This is a good point, almost forgot about this.

And I do agree his D1 vote was opportunistic.

I'll be back later, but I could be convinced to switch my vote to Snowy for sure.

Roxy wrote:Voted. nothing will change my mind. His reply to me only served to prove he is bad. Now I am a bitch - well thanks Snow! I think you are quite peachy! <3

it's you get when you call me scummy.