The Syndicate

Dom wrote:

zeek wrote:I am voting for YOU because I'm sick of seeing you change your mind and have no firm stance on anything ever. Vote yourself too, which you probably will until you're "persuaded" to vote for someone else.

r u joking

Snow Dog wrote:I don't think I like zeek. This suspicion has been growing on me from the start.

Dom wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Because I think she's bad and hiding something by not responding to Roxy.

I'm only going to change my vote if I think it needs to be done to save Daisy. I think she's civvie.

Linki vote for whoever you're the most suspicious of man

She explained she is having internet issues.

How did she know, if she hasn't caught up, that people are talking about her?

zeek wrote:I am voting for YOU because I'm sick of seeing you change your mind and have no firm stance on anything ever. Vote yourself too, which you probably will until you're "persuaded" to vote for someone else.

Spacedaisy wrote:First let me say to MP, I really wish you would stop characterizing my listing my suspicions/thoughts as suspicion mongering. You are reading that into it. All I was doing was putting my thoughts out there, period. I wasn't looking to rally a lynch around anyone.

I am glad finally some others are seeing what I have been feeling about DFaraday. I am going to vote there for now. Because before the last lynch he was top of my list.

I apologize for not talking as much, been working over a lot this week and at the moment my head isstarting to hurt.

Turnip Head wrote:Roxy's original post about Hedgeowl was literally two sentences long. Hedgie's reply only needs to be of comparable length, it was a simple point honestly... Yet she has repeatedly sidestepped addressing the issue. I know she's having internet issues but she appears to be aware of people's interest in the subject and still isn't responding to it. Feels like she's hiding.

Lots and lots of linki

juliets wrote:Hedgeowl - it is good to see you are here. It is very very important that you address this post. I know there are a lot of posts out there for you to catch up with but this is the gist of why you have so many votes - your lack of answer to Roxy. (There may be more but this is a big thing in the thought to lynch you). Someone correct me if I am wrong.

Roxy wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Could you elaborate on your thoughts re: Hedgie, Roxy? She's been off my radar so far.

She is off your radar bc thats where she wants to be. Here is a link to her posts I made a post about her Day and commented more - she has promised twice to respoind to me but has yet to offer any response. What initially pinged me was the way she said Epi had made a valid case about Juliets yet Juliets could be good (I am paraphrasing here)
So when/if Juliets came back good (which she did) she could say - yeah I thought she could be civ. See I said so before the lynch was over.

You read her tell me what you think.

Snow Dog wrote:

Dom wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Because I think she's bad and hiding something by not responding to Roxy.

I'm only going to change my vote if I think it needs to be done to save Daisy. I think she's civvie.

Linki vote for whoever you're the most suspicious of man

She explained she is having internet issues.

How did she know, if she hasn't caught up, that people are talking about her?

Did she say that? I must have missed it.

keys56000000000 wrote:I didn't know Daisy role hinted. I feel very uncomfortable with a last minute push for someone that's role hinted.

fingersplints wrote:

keys56000000000 wrote:I didn't know Daisy role hinted. I feel very uncomfortable with a last minute push for someone that's role hinted.

wait daisy role hinted too?

zeek wrote:

Dom wrote:

zeek wrote:I am voting for YOU because I'm sick of seeing you change your mind and have no firm stance on anything ever. Vote yourself too, which you probably will until you're "persuaded" to vote for someone else.

r u joking

Why? People are talking about others being blendy and Snow Dog has been the blendiest of them all. Maybe my vote will stay there, maybe it won't, but jesus Snow Dog you're not helping at all.

Dom wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:First let me say to MP, I really wish you would stop characterizing my listing my suspicions/thoughts as suspicion mongering. You are reading that into it. All I was doing was putting my thoughts out there, period. I wasn't looking to rally a lynch around anyone.

I am glad finally some others are seeing what I have been feeling about DFaraday. I am going to vote there for now. Because before the last lynch he was top of my list.

I apologize for not talking as much, been working over a lot this week and at the moment my head isstarting to hurt.

Daisy, please correct me if I'm wrong: your suspicion of DFaraday is based off him voting against him being a fan, right?

S~V~S wrote:Turnip Head~

Hedgeowl often sounds bad to me, so I am a poor judge of her. She has a tendency to say things that, on first glance, seem logical, but then when you reread them... she is a very good player, and for all her wordiness when she posts, she blends really, really well. She makes wall of text posts, so it is concerning that I recall little of substance of what she has said. I think Roxy made some good points, and Hedge is on my shortlist. Roxy is very, very good at pulling insights out of posts. She is on my "skulking around in the file room rereading list" for today.

Bass took a break for a while, and I was expecting to see a more involved game from him, but most of my experience is with Bass as a baddie, so this could be non-BTS Bass. Like Roxy, Bass is good at the sudden insight, and I had not thought much about his game specifically, but now I will reread him.

My short list, as zeek requested, is:

Daisy
Hedge
Metalmarsh

MM seems to have all opinions contrary to mine, which does not make him bad. But he seemed to be intentionally ignoring some things , and his posts just "feel" insincere to me.

My thought on Daisy have not changed. I think she was saved the other night. Her pre lynch psts were mainly buddying MP. I don't recal ever playing a game since they have been a couple where she was the bad one and he was a civ (I may have faulty recall here, but I can't think of one), so I would expect her to post as she has here were that the case. Her trying to pit he & I against each other (which is how I read her post, "Start arguing or you will seem suspicious". Then her response about not recalling WWE when I know for a fact that she & he have discussed topics specifically regarding how he reacts to me. And that game, where he & I were sending each other flame PMs when we were baddie teammates would be something that came up in any conversation he may have had regarding our dynamic. We were both pretty annoyed with each other in a reality way.

And thanks for the "Who Posted" list, in smaller games and on my computer, I tend to not need it, but on phone/tablet I am finding it makes like a zillion percent easier.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:This day is kind of messy. There are so many votes scattered right now. I don't want to give yet another player just one vote (like Snow Dog or Space Daisy). Sorry if this post bothers you SVS, but this is how I feel right now.

Just looking at players currently with votes, I don't think Made or Dom should be lynched. I'm also not comfortable lynching LC, DF, or MP yet. I no longer looking to vote for Elo either because I feel better about her today, but that might be because I agree with her points on Dana. I am supportive of a Dana lynch which I will explain below, and am indifferent on Hedgeowl.

I would vote Dana because she is backing up a lot of people rather than actually voicing suspicions. So much defense or uncertainty, but nothing particularly strong or helpful, except for the decoding. She just doesn't seem like she wants to formulate a strong opinion of anyone. I'll make a list of the players she has talked about, starting at the beginning of Day 2.

• Made - She starts out with this post which seems like such a baddie thing to say. Made's behavior is odd, but because no one else was picking up on it, I won't get behind it either. I brought up this post earlier. Against just strange things to say that don't offer anything. It doesn't vibe with me. Here, she does voice a brief suspicion of Elo, emphasis on the brief.
  
  Epignosis - Here and here she calls Epi's playstyle weird. No commitment there though, not until after Epi was lynched and a confirmed civ. Here is where she finally says that she thought he was bad, after the fact.
  
  Space Daisy - Uncertainty here. She suspects the bandwagoning, but no players in specific.
  
  Snow Dog - Uncertainty here.
  
  Zeek - Support here.
  
  Enrique - Uncertainty here and later backed him up. MP makes a good point here, but didn't really pursue it.
  
  Chris - Support here.
  
  Elohcin - Uncertainty here with support for others.
  
  Gotrees - Uncertainty here.

She has been very, very active, but it's so odd for someone to be so active without bringing much. It's a more is less scenario. Ninja blooper on the other hand posts once a day, yet he does so with strong points and ideas and does it in a fraction of the space Dana does (or MP). But I think her activity has let her hide in plain sight. I think we should lynch Dana today.



Oh, and she didn't get my Rush allusion.

Linki: Snow Dog, what do you see in Hedgeowl? What questioning?

keys56000000000 wrote:Hey SVS~ and other Daisy detractors, I'm feeling the Daisy suspicion. I'm used to reading a whole lot more from her. Maybe she's changed her style since we played last, admittedly a long time ago, but maybe she is afraid her fiance MP might easily catch her in the act of mafiaing, and is playing very carefully.

I don't know really, but I'm more supportive of the lynch going that way than this lynchtrain on Hedge.

zeek wrote:Is it possible Spacedaisy is Strax? That power isn't useful until you know someone is bad. Given how she was almost lynched it would make sense that someone who suspected her would block her and that she would use her power given she'd probably be lynched soon.

Turnip Head wrote:Because I think she's bad and hiding something by not responding to Roxy.

I'm only going to change my vote if I think it needs to be done to save Daisy. I think she's civvie.

Linki vote for whoever you're the most suspicious of man

zeek wrote:

Dom wrote:

zeek wrote:I am voting for YOU because I'm sick of seeing you change your mind and have no firm stance on anything ever. Vote yourself too, which you probably will until you're "persuaded" to vote for someone else.

r u joking

Why? People are talking about others being blendy and Snow Dog has been the blendiest of them all. Maybe my vote will stay there, maybe it won't, but jesus Snow Dog you're not helping at all.

zeek wrote:Is it possible Spacedaisy is Strax? That power isn't useful until you know someone is bad. Given how she was almost lynched it would make sense that someone who suspected her would block her and that she would use her power given she'd probably be lynched soon.

Spacedaisy wrote:

Dom wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:First let me say to MP, I really wish you would stop characterizing my listing my suspicions/thoughts as suspicion mongering. You are reading that into it. All I was doing was putting my thoughts out there, period. I wasn't looking to rally a lynch around anyone.

I am glad finally some others are seeing what I have been feeling about DFaraday. I am going to vote there for now. Because before the last lynch he was top of my list.

I apologize for not talking as much, been working over a lot this week and at the moment my head isstarting to hurt.

Daisy, please correct me if I'm wrong: your suspicion of DFaraday is based off him voting against him being a fan, right?

I don't understand this question. I am suspicious of him because his votes do not seem consistent to me with someone who I know to be pretty big fan of the show.

Hedgeowl wrote: If i havent responded to posts about me it's not because i am ignoring them it's because i havent posted at all. I will be on later tonight if people need me to address questions, although i dont know that there is much to say about my actions this game. I have posted 15 times in this game compared to MP or zeek with over 300 posts.

No idea where my suspicions are because i have at least 7 pages since last night to read i think.

Dom wrote:

zeek wrote:

Dom wrote:

zeek wrote:I am voting for YOU because I'm sick of seeing you change your mind and have no firm stance on anything ever. Vote yourself too, which you probably will until you're "persuaded" to vote for someone else.

r u joking

Why? People are talking about others being blendy and Snow Dog has been the blendiest of them all. Maybe my vote will stay there, maybe it won't, but jesus Snow Dog you're not helping at all.

Because you're voting him for the same reason I suspect MP.

Dom wrote:

zeek wrote:Is it possible Spacedaisy is Strax? That power isn't useful until you know someone is bad. Given how she was almost lynched it would make sense that someone who suspected her would block her and that she would use her power given she'd probably be lynched soon.

Dude...
First, let me say that losing the civvie ninja would be a huge loss.
But if you're gonna out the civvie ninja... wtf????

zeek wrote:Drive By vote from Bass. Hope he's preparing a post because that always looks dodgy.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I going to stick with what I said a vote Made. I feel like the case on Hedge and Elo are nit the strongest so I would rather vote for someone I think is a baddie.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I going to stick with what I said a vote Made. I feel like the case on Hedge and Elo are nit the strongest so I would rather vote for someone I think is a baddie.

Spacedaisy wrote:I did not role hint in my opinion and I am not by any means saying I am strax, that would be a power the Civs would not want to lose. Why on earth would anyone want to draw attention to that kind of thing if they did believe it to possibly be true??

Hedgeowl wrote:Ugh, was still trying to catch up and decide on my vote. I wasn't going to vote juliets and was debating whether to vote enrique instead. I really havent had enough time to properly catch-up. I think Epi made a valid case against juliets and it read pretty bad, but her defense is ringing true to me and how some of the votes came in seems very bandwagony.

Roxy wrote:Elo can you respond to my post since you responded to everyone else?

MP - My Hedge suspicion comes from her fence riding during the Juliets fiasco. She thought Epi made a "valid" case yet she could still see Juliets as being good. Fence riding at its best.

Roxy wrote:

Roxy wrote:Elo can you respond to my post since you responded to everyone else?

MP - My Hedge suspicion comes from her fence riding during the Juliets fiasco. She thought Epi made a "valid" case yet she could still see Juliets as being good. Fence riding at its best.

inre: Hedge: Let me add she did not vote that I could see - which is odd considering she was around.

spacedaze wrote:I'm quieter because I am working like crazy at the moment and because I am not feeling well. Been having dizzy spells. Migraines, sinus congestion. Meh. And you could not be more wrong about me or my intentions with MP. She have not played together in quite some time Keys, I play a much less engaged game anymore. And as far as MP, I am not afraid of him figuring me out I would like him to because then he would know it is a bad idea to lynch me. In fact he seems to have backed off already, so yeah.

zeek wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I did not role hint in my opinion and I am not by any means saying I am strax, that would be a power the Civs would not want to lose. Why on earth would anyone want to draw attention to that kind of thing if they did believe it to possibly be true??

Again, it was blocked. Strax's kill has been and failed. I don't think its irresponsible to discuss it now.

Dom wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote: If i havent responded to posts about me it's not because i am ignoring them it's because i havent posted at all. I will be on later tonight if people need me to address questions, although i dont know that there is much to say about my actions this game. I have posted 15 times in this game compared to MP or zeek with over 300 posts.

No idea where my suspicions are because i have at least 7 pages since last night to read i think.

I clipped this quote to highlight what I'm talking about.
How did you know people were talking about you if you haven't read in so long?

Long Con wrote:Too much activity! You're seeing a quieter LC because of the amount of posts to catch up on . I can barely keep up with this insanity!

Spacedaisy wrote:

zeek wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I did not role hint in my opinion and I am not by any means saying I am strax, that would be a power the Civs would not want to lose. Why on earth would anyone want to draw attention to that kind of thing if they did believe it to possibly be true??

Again, it was blocked. Strax's kill has been and failed. I don't think its irresponsible to discuss it now.

I just went back and read the role description. I don't understand this reasoning, where does it say strax only kills once? Why would strax being blocked make a difference? Am I missing something?

zeek wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

zeek wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I did not role hint in my opinion and I am not by any means saying I am strax, that would be a power the Civs would not want to lose. Why on earth would anyone want to draw attention to that kind of thing if they did believe it to possibly be true??

Again, it was blocked. Strax's kill has been and failed. I don't think its irresponsible to discuss it now.

I just went back and read the role description. I don't understand this reasoning, where does it say strax only kills once? Why would strax being blocked make a difference? Am I missing something?

I presumed his power was one night kill. I'd never heard of a civ ninja before cause I've only played 4 games and hosted 1, so I searched online and I thought thats what it was. Is that not what a civ ninja is?

zeek wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

zeek wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I did not role hint in my opinion and I am not by any means saying I am strax, that would be a power the Civs would not want to lose. Why on earth would anyone want to draw attention to that kind of thing if they did believe it to possibly be true??

Again, it was blocked. Strax's kill has been and failed. I don't think its irresponsible to discuss it now.

I just went back and read the role description. I don't understand this reasoning, where does it say strax only kills once? Why would strax being blocked make a difference? Am I missing something?

I presumed his power was one night kill. I'd never heard of a civ ninja before cause I've only played 4 games and hosted 1, so I searched online and I thought thats what it was. Is that not what a civ ninja is?

Dom wrote:<snip>

Made wrote:#3) You ARE a liar. You have blatantly misrepresented my claims against you. This is especially apparent in this quoted post.
I didn't have a full understanding of your argument until i went back to you reply to zeek. Call me hard headed, but throwing quotes at me doesn't resonate unless it's explained.
#4) I am making an argument for your baddiness based on quotes you have said. That is how this game is played. If you do not want to partake in it, you cannot complain about this. You cannot fight back. You must just sit there and take votes.
Differences in game philosophy. *shrug*

How is this an issue of difference in game philosophy? How else do you play mafia? I read what you wrote, quoted it, responded to it, and expressed that your words made met think you were bad.
And you are arguing with me over it.
I prefer arguments that

Made wrote:#5) Please, Made, tell me what are my logical and cognitive dissonances? I have pointed out several of yours. Please, do tell.
i was commenting on my own cognitive dissonance. I felt you were bad because you were accusing me which rationally felt off, but you seemed to not be listening to my defenses which, imo, were logical. While I stand by my logic, I can't stand by my vote which i made in frustration. I don't understand your gameplay style but that doesn't make you guilty.

You said I am not using logic. I asked you to point out where I am not using logic. You have not done so.

Dom wrote:

Made wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I see a lot of people bringing up Made's name, I've never played with the guy before, what are some people's concerns about him?

Tldr, I'm not playing super extroverted and agro like I *normally* do.

Honestly it's kinda nice being meek, I'm emotionally detached and at least feel like I'm notice more. The only thing is I feel like I'm only noticing things that are making others appear civvie.

(Also, th, pretty sure it's just Dom saying my name again and again )

Addendum: wait, the above reasoning explains Dana and MP. But Dom, why do you feel I'm sus?

Let me call BULLSHIT on you, Made.
TH, I have outlined my suspicions against Made in the following posts:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 907#p85907
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 707#p84707
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 492#p87492
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 487#p86487

Dom wrote:

Made wrote: I am not misrepresenting you. No one understands your argument because the last time you properly explained it was on Day 1. 5 quotes (one of which a duplicate) and capslock is not an argument.

Before i forget
1.Dom
2.Eloh
3. Splits(more of a peak of interest rather than suspicion, I need to read further into this.)
.

So... what the fuck
You have NEVER explained why you suspect me. I have gone through my suspicion of you so many times now. You are a liar. I am done.
*votes Made*

You also changed your tune. It went from, "Dom is just saying my name over and over again " to "you haven't said I was bad until now"!

keys56000000000 wrote:

Dana wrote:It wasn't that no one was picking up on it, it was that no one was trying to dissuade the Made suspicion, or at least it seemed that way at the time (like it currently does with Hedge). It just makes me uncomfortable when everyone is ok with lynching someone, because then that means the baddies are too.

I agree with this. It's what I like to refer to as a "lynchtrain" - everyone's ok with voting that person, for practically nothing, and no one is coming to that person's aid. Makes me very uncomfortable, and I think one is forming against this Hedgey person.

Also, Dana, if that's how you feel, how do you feel about Enrique heavily defending MP? And going as far as calling my suspicion of MP irrational?

TL:DR wrote:after looking at the above quote specifically, I feel like you set me up. I addressed that I have no clue what your argument was at the bottom, but instead of clarifying your argument, you attacked me for addressing others who had criticized me and then linked 4 post, none of which had any relation to any sort of argument! Then when I attempted to understand and respond to these post, you said once again called me a liar.

You've wasting hours of my time during a stressful week trying to find and understand an argument that DIDN'T EXIST.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:A civ ninja is a civvie killer. They have the option to kill every night if they so desire.

Snow Dog wrote:Couldtt sleep as not entirely comodtable with daisy vote.

On reflection a heeding those numerous calls for made


Votes Made