The Syndicate

Voting TH, for now. During the daisy lynch I felt like TH was waiting for someone else to make a move late in the lynch period so he could figure out how to play his part. And yesterday he does seem to have been trying to push off of espers. It's enough for me, for the moment. I'll try to study up more later.

My suspicion of Bea and DF stand, but DB makes excellent points about TH. I also know I have a soft spot for him and often don't recognize when he's being evil. I'll vote that way, at least for now. Especially because it's a short day and I actually have shit to get done today.

Sorry you're having a rough time, Bea. <3

So Epig is vouching for TH. Epig, I've seen you say that you are not Pam, etc. but is there anything you can say to explain your vouch of TH?

Here's a reminder about yesterday's poll, in light of espers being bad: (I've changed the numbers next to the votes to show the true lynch order, since so many deadies' votes in the real poll make it confusing)

bea
3
Turnip Head (3), LoRab (6), Epignosis (7) 20%

Drumbeats
1
insertnamehere (4) 7%

espers
3
DrumBeats (1), timmer (2), bea (5) 20%


One thing I notice... right before the lynch result was announced, DB posted about a "stealth tie vote" from Epig. Can someone clarify for me, did Epig vote to tie it up one minute before the deadline?

Looking back through the polls, at the day Matt got lynched. Matt had 6 votes when TH threw a vote away on... espers.

timmer wrote:Here's a reminder about yesterday's poll, in light of espers being bad: (I've changed the numbers next to the votes to show the true lynch order, since so many deadies' votes in the real poll make it confusing)

bea
3
Turnip Head (3), LoRab (6), Epignosis (7) 20%

Drumbeats
1
insertnamehere (4) 7%

espers
3
DrumBeats (1), timmer (2), bea (5) 20%


One thing I notice... right before the lynch result was announced, DB posted about a "stealth tie vote" from Epig. Can someone clarify for me, did Epig vote to tie it up one minute before the deadline?

Yep, it happened on the exact last minute. Epi hopped from me to bea in order to force a tie vote, which we lucked out on.

timmer wrote:So Epig is vouching for TH. Epig, I've seen you say that you are not Pam, etc. but is there anything you can say to explain your vouch of TH?

Scumbuddies ;D

LoRab wrote:My suspicion of Bea and DF stand, but DB makes excellent points about TH. I also know I have a soft spot for him and often don't recognize when he's being evil. I'll vote that way, at least for now. Especially because it's a short day and I actually have shit to get done today.

Sorry you're having a rough time, Bea. <3

I think the espers wagon all but clears bea. They wouldn't have made bea be the second target if not imo.

Drumbeats, shouldn't we lynch epignosis, then, instead?

I don't deny the likelihood that both are bad, but Epig's move puts him a hair higher on the list, don't you think?

timmer wrote:Drumbeats, shouldn't we lynch epignosis, then, instead?

I don't deny the likelihood that both are bad, but Epig's move puts him a hair higher on the list, don't you think?

They're both basically confirmed maf. TH is very likely to be Jo in my opinion. So is a higher priority to lynch

Sounds good.

Goodbye cruel world. I guess at least I can get some satisfaction from y'all being wrong. Good luck civvies, you're going to need it.

I come back to you now at the turn of the tide.

TH and Epi both are looking pretty bad, so I'll go ahead and vote TH.

Turnip Head wrote:Goodbye cruel world. I guess at least I can get some satisfaction from y'all being wrong. Good luck civvies, you're going to need it.

Or you could, you know, try to fight for your life. Tell us how we are wrong. Do you think Epig is good, or bad? Do you know why he is vouching for you? Should I know why he is vouching for you? How, looking at the poll, should we get a civvie vibe from your votes?

Would you vote Epig to save your life?

timmer wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Goodbye cruel world. I guess at least I can get some satisfaction from y'all being wrong. Good luck civvies, you're going to need it.

Or you could, you know, try to fight for your life. Tell us how we are wrong. Do you think Epig is good, or bad? Do you know why he is vouching for you? Should I know why he is vouching for you? How, looking at the poll, should we get a civvie vibe from your votes?

Would you vote Epig to save your life?

I'm not going to bother with any of that that, I had a nice day today My vote looks bad as fuck, what do you want me to say about it? Should I try the WIFOM defense? Like how stupid would I have to be to try and save a teammate who didn't even try to save himself?

No. I have no idea what's going on. Put me out of my misery. Good luck.

I'll move my vote to Epig. I think it's smart to have both of the epig/TH duo as the top two vote-getters, anyway.

@ TH - Because espers was still a number in a likely MYLO situation. It seemed to basically be save him and win for you guys, and tbh if he had logged on you would've succeeded.


@ timmer - no. This allows the mafia to all vote on one person and tie the vote again. We need at least 4 votes on TH.

DrumBeats wrote:@ TH - Because espers was still a number in a likely MYLO situation. It seemed to basically be save him and win for you guys, and tbh if he had logged on you would've succeeded.

You can attach all the logic in the world you want to it, it won't make it true and it won't make it something I would realistically do. I would have thrown espers to the wolves if he wouldn't bother saving himself. I think everyone here would have, you included.

DrumBeats wrote:@ timmer - no. This allows the mafia to all vote on one person and tie the vote again. We need at least 4 votes on TH.

Don't even worry about it bae. I don't plan on voting.

DrumBeats wrote:@ TH - Because espers was still a number in a likely MYLO situation. It seemed to basically be save him and win for you guys, and tbh if he had logged on you would've succeeded.


@ timmer - no. This allows the mafia to all vote on one person and tie the vote again. We need at least 4 votes on TH.

Then let's all switch to Epig.

I'm getting paranoid. Epig's tying vote is more damning than anything on TH. To me, he's the better choice. Something is starting to smell off.

timmer wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:@ TH - Because espers was still a number in a likely MYLO situation. It seemed to basically be save him and win for you guys, and tbh if he had logged on you would've succeeded.


@ timmer - no. This allows the mafia to all vote on one person and tie the vote again. We need at least 4 votes on TH.

Then let's all switch to Epig.

If we do this, one person won't be back to do it, and then we will have a split vote the mafia can take advantage of. We need 4 votes on TH, then the next phase we can get them all on Epi.

timmer wrote:I'm getting paranoid. Epig's tying vote is more damning than anything on TH. To me, he's the better choice. Something is starting to smell off.

Both are obvious mafia imo. I just have a theory that TH is Jo, so TH makes more sense to lynch first. Epi definitely should be lynched, but trying a flip now will only result in our votes being split and mafia last second voting a civ out.

Alright I will switch back to th to keep the majority but I still think epig is the better choice

I am good. Turnip Head knows it.

Turnip Head is good. I know it.

I look forward to DrumBeats fucking this up for everybody. I love hubris and how it all comes tumbling down.

I want to see DrumBeats' reaction to this. Turnip Head is good.

Epi, why did you vote Bea rather than DB, since your issues seem primarily to be with him?

DFaraday wrote:Epi, why did you vote Bea rather than DB, since your issues seem primarily to be with him?

Because I don't give a shit anymore.

Who killed INH?

Poll ended at Sun Jul 17, 2016 10:43 pm


bea
1
Epignosis (15) 6%
DFaraday
0
No votes
Drumbeats
0
No votes
enrique
0
No votes
Epignosis
0
No votes
LoRab
0
No votes
Turnip Head
4
DrumBeats (5), LoRab (7), DFaraday (10), timmer (12) 25%
timmer
0
No votes
Dom himself!
11
Scotty (1), Quin (2), Golden (3), Dom (4), S~V~S (6), Bubbles (8), insertnamehere (9), juliets (11), Dex (13), indiglo (14), JaggedJimmyJay (16) 69%
Total votes : 16

Going with th since no one seems to have a viable other option but me and I know I'm civ.

Turnip Head has been lynched. He was Kelly.
You have 24 hours to get your PMs in.

Is it just me or looking at Kelly's role, does anyone else think Kelly finding Ryan converted Kelly to mafia? I don't recall anybody asking questions the last phase or two.

Or maybe TH was still civ, and Epi was Jan - the BTSC would explain why a civ TH would be so confident Epi was town. Idk. I'm also wondering if maybe TH did find Ryan, it didn't convert him, and found out Bea was Ryan. If that were the case though, I think TH would have been crumbling us more this phase rather than the idgaf situation.

Don't forget to vote in the poll.

DrumBeats wrote:Or maybe TH was still civ, and Epi was Jan - the BTSC would explain why a civ TH would be so confident Epi was town. Idk. I'm also wondering if maybe TH did find Ryan, it didn't convert him, and found out Bea was Ryan. If that were the case though, I think TH would have been crumbling us more this phase rather than the idgaf situation.

You are a clown.

SECOND CHANCE VOTE HELL YEAH. Let's talk about this civs - Which dead players do we trust the most, both on a judgement level and on them being civ?

I for sure think that:
Elochin
Leetic
SVS

Should not return. All of them have a relative chance of being mafia because Eloh and Leetic died on the same night, meaning one was for sure not a scum kill. There has still been no explanation for SVS's forced vote and we have next to no roles left to reveal.

Personally, I think we should bring Scotty back. He was active when he was here, which is important. He died after Scranton Strangler was dead, which means that could not have been the cause of his kill. He died relatively recently too so he should have less catching up.

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:Or maybe TH was still civ, and Epi was Jan - the BTSC would explain why a civ TH would be so confident Epi was town. Idk. I'm also wondering if maybe TH did find Ryan, it didn't convert him, and found out Bea was Ryan. If that were the case though, I think TH would have been crumbling us more this phase rather than the idgaf situation.

You are a clown.

K thx for the kind words.

I'm so lost. I've been lost since day 1.

Did DB lead me happily down the garden path here?

I was likely wrong about TH is what happened. Might not have been because looking at Kelly's role she can get promoted when she finds Ryan. Ryan is mafia. She could have been promoted to mafia, hence why nobody has been talking in questions the last two phases.

I'm still relatively sure Epi is mafia, the instant case drop on INH to bea when Espers was almost lynched makes me confident there. And I'll keep pushing this no matter how many petty insults Epi throws at me for doing so.

DrumBeats wrote:SECOND CHANCE VOTE HELL YEAH. Let's talk about this civs - Which dead players do we trust the most, both on a judgement level and on them being civ?

I for sure think that:
Elochin
Leetic
SVS

Should not return. All of them have a relative chance of being mafia because Eloh and Leetic died on the same night, meaning one was for sure not a scum kill. There has still been no explanation for SVS's forced vote and we have next to no roles left to reveal.

Personally, I think we should bring Scotty back. He was active when he was here, which is important. He died after Scranton Strangler was dead, which means that could not have been the cause of his kill. He died relatively recently too so he should have less catching up.

I was actually going to suggest Scotty, as well. He was one of the most active players and has likely been continuing to pay attention because he died so recently. I also felt pretty good about him throughout the game.

DrumBeats wrote:I was likely wrong about TH is what happened. Might not have been because looking at Kelly's role she can get promoted when she finds Ryan. Ryan is mafia. She could have been promoted to mafia, hence why nobody has been talking in questions the last two phases.

I'm still relatively sure Epi is mafia, the instant case drop on INH to bea when Espers was almost lynched makes me confident there. And I'll keep pushing this no matter how many petty insults Epi throws at me for doing so.

You're arrogant and don't listen is what happened. You are bad.

For everybody else: TH said I was good. Go see. He had a way of knowing.

Stop letting DB lead you.

I was silenced by the way.

Come on DrumBeats. Tell me more about how I'm bad.

I'd like to be brought back, but some guy was all like, nah, fuck you man.

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:I was likely wrong about TH is what happened. Might not have been because looking at Kelly's role she can get promoted when she finds Ryan. Ryan is mafia. She could have been promoted to mafia, hence why nobody has been talking in questions the last two phases.

I'm still relatively sure Epi is mafia, the instant case drop on INH to bea when Espers was almost lynched makes me confident there. And I'll keep pushing this no matter how many petty insults Epi throws at me for doing so.

You're arrogant and don't listen is what happened. You are bad.

For everybody else: TH said I was good. Go see. He had a way of knowing.

Stop letting DB lead you.

I was silenced by the way.

Says the one who literally is just throwing insults instead of trying to contribute rn. I feel like I have to lead things right now because just about everybody else is inactive to some degree. That's why I want Scotty back, another active civ to take pressure off my shoulders here.

TH's way of knowing is by finding Ryan. Ryan is bad.

Well fuck. I'm sorry th. that's what I get for going against my gut.

I still have a civ role in mind for epi that isn't Pam. Unless I'm dumb. Which is likely.

Epi do you think drumbeats is bad or just following bad theory? If you gave me the botd and allowed that I could be civ, who else would you like to see looked at?

Drumbeats - besides epi, who else do you think is bad and why?


As for the poll, I'm torn between Scotty and indi. I'd love to see wabbit back cuz his ass kicking is what we deserve, but who knows if he's been keeping up....

Voted rabbit. Dude never had a chance.