Escape From Trump Tower [GAME OVER]

[112]

nvm I guess by that chain of logic soneji could have just no lynched

[112]

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] - why are you off MP this round?

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall - why are you off MP this round?

I don't think MP is compatible with Soneji. I think Soneji's single wall post contains enough evidence that it's Nanook to ignore everything to the contrary.

[MacDougall]

Why’d you change your mind on MP? Did you change your mind on MP?

What about 112?

I literally explained my reason 4 posts above.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Mac is your only reasoning because 112 and MP are at the bottom of the reads list?

Nanook do you agree that Mac is cleared via previous actions?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Mac is your only reasoning because 112 and MP are at the bottom of the reads list?

Nanook do you agree that Mac is cleared via previous actions?

I’m TRing Mac but I’m not entirely sure what you mean by previous actions?

[MacDougall]

Mac is your only reasoning because 112 and MP are at the bottom of the reads list?

Nanook do you agree that Mac is cleared via previous actions?

I think that the way that Soneji described both of them is indicative of a genuine desire to see them suspected. He hedged hard on Nanook and used language that makes me feel like he did not want people to push that way.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

In the practice game you felt like a lead dog, peeing all over. Here you're following the scent of others pee anywhere but to Sloonei. Probably the best thing going for you is the derp with Dexi 3p.

This is a quote from soneji’s wall (on phone do not pulling the pretty quote)

IIRC “mp pees everywhere” is something someone else has said about him in past games, possible this is verbiage that slipped over from scum chat? I don’t remember who described him that way though or if this is a stupid read.

[Tangrowth]

My bad for not being here, I should be around a lot tomorrow in between work.

I'll at least catch up now.

[Tangrowth]

In the practice game you felt like a lead dog, peeing all over. Here you're following the scent of others pee anywhere but to Sloonei. Probably the best thing going for you is the derp with Dexi 3p.

This is a quote from soneji’s wall (on phone do not pulling the pretty quote)

IIRC “mp pees everywhere” is something someone else has said about him in past games, possible this is verbiage that slipped over from scum chat? I don’t remember who described him that way though or if this is a stupid read.

Nah, that's common knowledge enough due to spec chat on MU from my perspective, I've had people play games with me for the first time and say that these days, lol.

Plus, Soneji and I go way back, I met him during Season 2 champs, so he would know.

[Tangrowth]

Nanook and Sloonei are obviously also very compatible after that day 1. They had a couple minor skirmishes that went nowhere. Even when Sloonei voted Nanook he got mad at LC for sheeping him.

I'm actually totally in agreement with you... when I did my Sloonei analyses, Nanook came out at the bottom. Then I freaked out, lol, but still, I did at least feel that way at the time.

[Tangrowth]

I am the most town person in this game. All y’all got your own problems.

Keep in mind that the scum kill was on FG last night, what does that tell us?

Yeah, you're my top town probably?

[Tangrowth]

does the sloonei lynch not effectively clear mac and i considering soneji was on it?

This is a good point.

[Tangrowth]

nvm I guess by that chain of logic soneji could have just no lynched

But was he around at EoD? Maybe he didn't anticipate that as an option? I'm not sure. Worth looking back at maybe.

[Tangrowth]

@MacDougall - why are you off MP this round?

I don't think MP is compatible with Soneji. I think Soneji's single wall post contains enough evidence that it's Nanook to ignore everything to the contrary.

I'm glad we're in agreement about being on the same side now.

[Tangrowth]

I'll have to go back and do my own digging again just to be thorough because I've been so in and out of this game, but I found Mac's takes on the Soneji spew agreeable.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

In the practice game you felt like a lead dog, peeing all over. Here you're following the scent of others pee anywhere but to Sloonei. Probably the best thing going for you is the derp with Dexi 3p.

This is a quote from soneji’s wall (on phone do not pulling the pretty quote)

IIRC “mp pees everywhere” is something someone else has said about him in past games, possible this is verbiage that slipped over from scum chat? I don’t remember who described him that way though or if this is a stupid read.

Nah, that's common knowledge enough due to spec chat on MU from my perspective, I've had people play games with me for the first time and say that these days, lol.

Plus, Soneji and I go way back, I met him during Season 2 champs, so he would know.

K, I’ll wrote it off as a stupid read then!

[Tangrowth]

In the practice game you felt like a lead dog, peeing all over. Here you're following the scent of others pee anywhere but to Sloonei. Probably the best thing going for you is the derp with Dexi 3p.

This is a quote from soneji’s wall (on phone do not pulling the pretty quote)

IIRC “mp pees everywhere” is something someone else has said about him in past games, possible this is verbiage that slipped over from scum chat? I don’t remember who described him that way though or if this is a stupid read.

Nah, that's common knowledge enough due to spec chat on MU from my perspective, I've had people play games with me for the first time and say that these days, lol.

Plus, Soneji and I go way back, I met him during Season 2 champs, so he would know.

K, I’ll wrote it off as a stupid read then!

Hey Nanook! Talk to me more about your 112 and Mac reads if you don't mind? Unless you don't have anything else to say, haha.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ok, what would you like to know? I think I actually have most if not all of my reasoning in the thread already, but if you have questions I can try to answer them?

[Tangrowth]

Ok, what would you like to know? I think I actually have most if not all of my reasoning in the thread already, but if you have questions I can try to answer them?

Can you talk to me more about 112's meta perhaps?

[Tangrowth]

I am the most town person in this game. All y’all got your own problems.

Keep in mind that the scum kill was on FG last night, what does that tell us?

Isn't this a town perspective slip?

[Tangrowth]

Or am I missing something?

[Tangrowth]

I need to talk to people. I'll try to be around often enough tomorrow off and on to do that.

[Tangrowth]

Thoughts and things!

TSP has been strong town to me for a while.
Mac was town for his treatment of me, the re-evaluation here, other things, etc.
112 I'm less sure of but I agree with Mac's take on Soneji's stance on her versus the stance on Nanook... the contrast is evident, and I and others had expressed desire to kill 112 enough to make her a misyeet candidate.

I'll try to do due diligence just in case, but ??? if it's not Nanook?

[Tangrowth]

Serious lmao if I freaked out yesterday and yet me/Nanook 4/4 was v/w, oops.

[Tangrowth]

TSP, how does Nanook/Soneji being the other two wolves fit into your theory that the game was adrift, does it still stand?

[Tangrowth]

112, what are your most updated thoughts in terms of POE preference?

[Tangrowth]

@MacDougall - why are you off MP this round?

I don't think MP is compatible with Soneji. I think Soneji's single wall post contains enough evidence that it's Nanook to ignore everything to the contrary.

If Nanook does flip town, what would be your interpretation then?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I am the most town person in this game. All y’all got your own problems.

Keep in mind that the scum kill was on FG last night, what does that tell us?

Isn't this a town perspective slip?

Not really, like, it’s pretty easy for mafia to point that out if they know why they made the FG NK/made it specifically so people would think about it lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ok, what would you like to know? I think I actually have most if not all of my reasoning in the thread already, but if you have questions I can try to answer them?

Can you talk to me more about 112's meta perhaps?

My meta on them is a fairly small sample size and some of it’s a year old, but sure—what would you like to know?

[Tangrowth]

I am the most town person in this game. All y’all got your own problems.

Keep in mind that the scum kill was on FG last night, what does that tell us?

Isn't this a town perspective slip?

Not really, like, it’s pretty easy for mafia to point that out if they know why they made the FG NK/made it specifically so people would think about it lol

But... would TSP think to even play that card in the midst of a series of stream of consciousness sort of posts?

I'm not interested in whether it's possible, I'm interested in whether it's likely.

I think it's unlikely.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I am the most town person in this game. All y’all got your own problems.

Keep in mind that the scum kill was on FG last night, what does that tell us?

Isn't this a town perspective slip?

Not really, like, it’s pretty easy for mafia to point that out if they know why they made the FG NK/made it specifically so people would think about it lol

But... would TSP think to even play that card in the midst of a series of stream of consciousness sort of posts?

I'm not interested in whether it's possible, I'm interested in whether it's likely.

I think it's unlikely.

I mean if he’s a wolf, he made the kill explicitly to play that card yeah? I don’t really get this argument but I also think TSP is likely town so

[Tangrowth]

Ok, what would you like to know? I think I actually have most if not all of my reasoning in the thread already, but if you have questions I can try to answer them?

Can you talk to me more about 112's meta perhaps?

My meta on them is a fairly small sample size and some of it’s a year old, but sure—what would you like to know?

You talked about a difference being that wolf 112 busses more and that her votes seem more "lost" as town, what do you mean by the latter exactly?

[Tangrowth]

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I am the most town person in this game. All y’all got your own problems.

Keep in mind that the scum kill was on FG last night, what does that tell us?

Isn't this a town perspective slip?

Not really, like, it’s pretty easy for mafia to point that out if they know why they made the FG NK/made it specifically so people would think about it lol

But... would TSP think to even play that card in the midst of a series of stream of consciousness sort of posts?

I'm not interested in whether it's possible, I'm interested in whether it's likely.

I think it's unlikely.

I mean if he’s a wolf, he made the kill explicitly to play that card yeah? I don’t really get this argument but I also think TSP is likely town so

Hmmm. I suppose.

[Tangrowth]

It's probably a minor point, I town read TSP independently of that anyway, maybe I was overthinking it.

[Tangrowth]

I'm sort of getting a wolf Nanook feel from his behavior today, it feels more similar to wolf Nanook in COVID game after I subbed in and then died as his wolfmate after a day. Finding reasons to keep people in the POE as opposed to solving for town.

But I also understand why he might do this if he knows he's town here because then he knows it has to be one of the remaining players, so hmmm, wait, maybe this doesn't make sense.

[Tangrowth]

It's almost always 112 or Nanook here for me.

If it's TSP or Mac, then lol, guess I'll see you in F3 or something.

[Tangrowth]

Also bringing me to F3 is generally a bad idea but it pretty much always happens in this game due to how often I've been suspected, so I'll save insane levels of re-assessment for if it does occur.

[Tangrowth]

From a gamestate perspective, things actually make more sense in wolf Nanook world than wolf 112 as well, since if I remember correctly both Sloonei and Soneji were quick to jump on 112 after I started suspecting her hard on d2. That makes no sense to me.

[Tangrowth]

If somehow Mac or TSP is the wolf, then Nanook gets misyeeted, then... whichever of TSP or Mac isn't wolf almost certainly dies, and then it's me, 112, and the wolf in F3? Nah.

This game probably ends in a town win.

I hope this post doesn't age poorly.

[Tangrowth]

Why does wolf Mac turn around on me here anyway? I don't understand why he'd do that. Just to bring me to F3?

[Tangrowth]

Why does wolf Mac turn around on me here anyway? I don't understand why he'd do that. Just to bring me to F3?

Nah, it makes more sense for wolf Mac to keep tunneling me, misyeet me, then leave Nanook alive for F3 I think in that case.

[Tangrowth]

Well, I think that's all I have in me for now. See you all soon!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Ok, what would you like to know? I think I actually have most if not all of my reasoning in the thread already, but if you have questions I can try to answer them?

Can you talk to me more about 112's meta perhaps?

My meta on them is a fairly small sample size and some of it’s a year old, but sure—what would you like to know?

You talked about a difference being that wolf 112 busses more and that her votes seem more "lost" as town, what do you mean by the latter exactly?

Eh...they lack focus, if that makes sense? Like, look at their EOD votes this game...dizzy D1, only one on you D2, Sloonei D3, 1/2 on you D4. And was around near EOD4 IIRC?

That’s like...if it’s a mafia, it’s a mafia that is trying not to bus and doesn’t know what to do with their vote, yeah? But given 112 is prone to bussing IIRC, and that they didn’t have much reason not to bus, imo...I’m inclined to say that’s just a townie voting pattern for them?

Now I haven’t gone back through games to look at how often they vote as town vs. mafia, that would probably actually be a good thing to do but I doubt I have time to, so.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I'm sort of getting a wolf Nanook feel from his behavior today, it feels more similar to wolf Nanook in COVID game after I subbed in and then died as his wolfmate after a day. Finding reasons to keep people in the POE as opposed to solving for town.

But I also understand why he might do this if he knows he's town here because then he knows it has to be one of the remaining players, so hmmm, wait, maybe this doesn't make sense.

I have a two person POE, am I supposed to just magically know who the scum is while everyone else gets to have it between two people? That’s an unfair burden.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Like fine whatever I’m probably gonna die today, I’m a little disappointed cause I thought this might finally be the game I make it to an f3, but it’s whatever. I can’t even argue much cause my voting record and reads have been pretty bad, pretty sure I’ve townread and/or defended everyone alive rn at some point lolol

But you shouldn’t be SRing me for tone, especially not if you’re comparing to covid mafia, doing it for having crap reads and voting poorly is fine, but my tone is markedly different I think?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I guess the two biggest points in my defense are the FG kill (I probably don’t do that if I’m mafia, she was hard TRing me?), and how I handled soneji this game—I tend to bus lurking partners early and often, not pull a “hey soneji might be mafia, they’ve been conspicuously absent?” card out of the air on D3. Also, like, when scumNanook needed a counterwagon to scumSloonei, he went for...his other partner, that people had forgotten about? IIRC soneji had no attention being paid to him before that, I don’t think ScumNanook needs or wants to do that lol.

But yeah, I understand if people SR me, I even get how people can partner read me with sloonei OR soneji, I think it’s tough to fit me in with both of them but maybe I’m just biased, idk.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I’m pretty much banking on there being just one left, I’m gonna feel pretty bad if I die and we lose in part cause I didn’t fight hard enough today lol

[MacDougall]

I'm sort of getting a wolf Nanook feel from his behavior today, it feels more similar to wolf Nanook in COVID game after I subbed in and then died as his wolfmate after a day. Finding reasons to keep people in the POE as opposed to solving for town.

But I also understand why he might do this if he knows he's town here because then he knows it has to be one of the remaining players, so hmmm, wait, maybe this doesn't make sense.

Nanook here is ignoring me tunneling him. When I've been with him in other games and suspected him when I was wrong he borderline attempts to humiliate me.

[TonyStarkPrime]

I am the most town person in this game. All y’all got your own problems.

Keep in mind that the scum kill was on FG last night, what does that tell us?

Isn't this a town perspective slip?

what's that