The Syndicate

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:45 pm Question: why do we keep brandishing out rogue like it’s supposed to mean something

In the opening post there is a thing about town, mafia and rogue existing in the game

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:28 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:24 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:21 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:17 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:11 pm I'm town, not mafia, not rogue. If I was scum there wouldn't even be a towncore I would have destroyed it already.

What I am doing is coasting off of early townreads

didn't you say previous games meta means nothing to you? why should we believe you eaxctly?

Believe what you want but you do think I'm a good player right?

you see that's the problem, I think you are TOO GOOD a player, cause I have seen you as such.

It's a new community for me, I want to take the backseat for awhile and watch what happens.

Hmmmmm....

My wolf sense is tingling right now for some odd reason.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:45 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:41 pm I have decided to take this game seriously so I can evolve as a human being and fulfill my potential and unleash my ultimate power

No more will you have a troll-esque jpic that makes wise ass jokes, and instead will have a more stoic bender.

Ask me what I need to do so I can establish myself as the obv town jpic that Radiohead mafia deserves

Reads on tim, ted and myself?

You and tim are null. I have not really seen anything for me to justify a town read there

Ted is possibly town. I like his pushback on Mac. His progression on me is interesting as I thought he had me down as scum initially, but now seems to townread me. Need to look again if it was organic once I have access to a computer

I assume the rogue is like the Serial Killer.

Most games I'm used to has like a team of Wolves/Mafia and some 3P, like Rogues/Cult/SK.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:46 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:45 pm Question: why do we keep brandishing out rogue like it’s supposed to mean something

In the opening post there is a thing about town, mafia and rogue existing in the game

Ah, so much for me bothering to read the opening post

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:38 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:36 pm Odd, wdym JPIC looks like a bomb to you?

If gets voted he blows up and takes someone down with him. Only way to explain the lackadaisical behaviour, general scumminess and self vote

wow this is rather specific .

Herm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:48 pm I assume the rogue is like the Serial Killer.

Most games I'm used to has like a team of Wolves/Mafia and some 3P, like Rogues/Cult/SK.

I have played in games with SK and survivors, and even cults in some toS game, but what are rogues to be exact?

Herm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:47 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:28 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:24 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:21 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:17 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:11 pm I'm town, not mafia, not rogue. If I was scum there wouldn't even be a towncore I would have destroyed it already.

What I am doing is coasting off of early townreads

didn't you say previous games meta means nothing to you? why should we believe you eaxctly?

Believe what you want but you do think I'm a good player right?

you see that's the problem, I think you are TOO GOOD a player, cause I have seen you as such.

It's a new community for me, I want to take the backseat for awhile and watch what happens.

Hmmmmm....

My wolf sense is tingling right now for some odd reason.

your "wolf" sense?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:49 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:46 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:45 pm Question: why do we keep brandishing out rogue like it’s supposed to mean something

In the opening post there is a thing about town, mafia and rogue existing in the game

Ah, so much for me bothering to read the opening post

I think this derpclear is legit and JPIC isn't rogue.

Which is important because if we believe the theory that JPIC would try harder not to let his team down if he was scum, then rogue is another possibility for him being scum but without a team to let down. (3Ps are more inclined to be trolly as well, especially if they're a Jester or something similar.) So ruling that out is good.

I'll be back after dinner.

jpic do you have an opinion on nutella?

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:45 pm not really sure why people are focused on rogue right now

jpic what are your reads?

I have Samu and Tutuu as top town.
sprityo, Alison and mac a tier below

Why is Nutella being scumread? I am not particularly townreading her even, but the fact that she is gathered 9 votes then her team is slanking if she is a wolf. There’s no other counterwagon that I can see

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:53 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:49 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:46 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:45 pm Question: why do we keep brandishing out rogue like it’s supposed to mean something

In the opening post there is a thing about town, mafia and rogue existing in the game

Ah, so much for me bothering to read the opening post

I think this derpclear is legit and JPIC isn't rogue.

Which is important because if we believe the theory that JPIC would try harder not to let his team down if he was scum, then rogue is another possibility for him being scum but without a team to let down. (3Ps are more inclined to be trolly as well, especially if they're a Jester or something similar.) So ruling that out is good.

I think rogues can't be jester here? it said VS ? why do i feel like could be survivor or SK if rogues aren't anything specific?

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:36 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:35 pm Whether to skim 500 posts, continue doing ISOs, or just laugh hysterically at Ted's wacky justifications for OMGUS. Decisions, decisions.

i went with the skimming option. wasn't too bad, not a ton of walls

I went with an ISO on Nutella to see if I could figure out why she is under a runaway wagon.

I get it. She has a whole lot of posts and not a whole lot of taking a stand on anything...while not joining into the kumbuya "I'll town read you if you town read me" friendship circle that seems to have become the driving force of the game here day one. There's probably at least one of the superfriends that has randed wolf, so I'm kinda standoffish about that myself, but the lack of any compensating solid work doesn't give me really any sense that she's gonna get out of the mess any other way.

Current opinion on Nutella. Summary: Day one wolf lean, would chop

I just ISO'd Long Con's posts.

I get some very good town vibes from him. Slotting him down in my town spot.

Herm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:58 pm I just ISO'd Long Con's posts.

I get some very good town vibes from him. Slotting him down in my town spot.

can you give an example of a post that gives you good vibes?

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:52 pm

Herm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:48 pm I assume the rogue is like the Serial Killer.

Most games I'm used to has like a team of Wolves/Mafia and some 3P, like Rogues/Cult/SK.

I have played in games with SK and survivors, and even cults in some toS game, but what are rogues to be exact?

I'm new to this particular role name myself. I just assumed it was similar to a SK.

yeah tim, nutella's kind of null to me because she hasn't done much - hell even in anni she'd done more than she's done here. It slips into a wolf read because mac seems really certain

THESE FOUR POSTS IN PARTICULAR.

1:

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:46 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:45 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:56 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:54 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:52 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:36 pm [VOTE: alison] aubergine sorry pal but I gotta sheep sprit

Colin, did I miss something? I see you're sheeping sprityo but isn't there anything about Alison you can point to and say scum?

I want to trust Alison but she’s firmly in the can’t-ever-fully-trust camp for me unfortunately.

Strangely phrased sentence. It's like you are afraid of saying something too jarring like "I can never trust her" so you preface it with a lamentation to take the edge off. This is a mafia phrasing.

Just as a contextless reaction, Colin's comment on Alison is suspicious.

2:

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:49 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:49 amdam

I'm vanilla anyway.

3:

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:51 am Actually, I'm not vanilla, my bad. I'm a bit drunk. I'll get on dat Jules and Nut thang.

4:

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:56 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:53 am Explain how you thought you were vanilla plz LC

Probably because my ability is very weak.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:51 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:38 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:36 pm Odd, wdym JPIC looks like a bomb to you?

If gets voted he blows up and takes someone down with him. Only way to explain the lackadaisical behaviour, general scumminess and self vote

wow this is rather specific .

Yeah and now that I've said it out loud suddenly jpic has begun "trying"

Anyone who wants to scumread Oddmerta can fight me tbh. He just bleeds town.

Tim, talk to me about the concerns you have with the towncore. Why do you think it's been infested by a wolf? Do you think the wolf in it is bussing nutella?

Yes, your post about me being the bomb was obviously the catalyst for my sudden ‘trying’

herm thanks. I guess I'm not seeing what you're seeing. if you could explain at all, that'd be cool. If it's a gut thing, I understand

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:12 pm Yes, your post about me being the bomb was obviously the catalyst for my sudden ‘trying’

The timing matches

Yeah I'm not sure if I agree with Herm's Odd suspicion.

Ok, well, it doesn’t even make sense to begin with. Hypothetically, if I was a bomb wouldn’t it have made more sense to carry on what I was doing regardless if you said it or not?

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:15 pm herm thanks. I guess I'm not seeing what you're seeing. if you could explain at all, that'd be cool. If it's a gut thing, I understand

It's mostly just a gut thing. I tend not to have particularly strong reads early on.

The things he posted felt genuine to me, I doubt someone would post the things he posted if they were scum.

Unless of course, they're playing the long con lol.

But the way I read his posts, it feels like town just stumbled into a very big game and just pouring stuff out there for us to digest.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:09 pm Anyone who wants to scumread Oddmerta can fight me tbh. He just bleeds town.

Tim, talk to me about the concerns you have with the towncore. Why do you think it's been infested by a wolf? Do you think the wolf in it is bussing nutella?

Because it would be so incredibly easy to do, why would a wolf NOT bury themselves in the town core? I think you are independently towny, but consider yourself for example...if you randed wolf do you see any of the present town core that would have put up any resistance to you? Do you feel like anyone really seriously vetted you? Or have you just been accepted out of hand for "sounding towny" and showing some WIM?
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If Nutella is a wolf then yes I would say there is already at least one busser in place for early on the wagon credit. If Nutella is a wolf she is a wolf that has clearly seen what is coming and accepted her fate, so there's no reason to think that her pack mates would not be accepting it as well.

The problem with that is that there doesn't seem to have been any effort by the wolves to generate any kind of counter before that wagon got out of hand. A 'give up, buss, make the best of it' response to a runaway is one thing, but this almost looks like the wolves making no effort at all, if Nutella is a wolf.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:17 pm Ok, well, it doesn’t even make sense to begin with. Hypothetically, if I was a bomb wouldn’t it have made more sense to carry on what I was doing regardless if you said it or not?

Yeah don't worry about it, just enjoy your pseudo bomb status and carry on playing without getting a wagon formed on you

Good we have established that then

Alright I finished reading nutella and I have similar thoughts to others who have just posted about her iso. There's not a lot there except for her scum read on me. She did, however, argue that Dr. Wilgy is town and ted is town which I agree with. I think what dilutes the reads she does have is how many posts she has that are about nothing important, like the soup posts and the joke posts. They overwhelm her other posts imo and that smacks of wolfy behavior. Up your post count and be seen as a presence by posting a lot about nothing.

But here's the rub. Like others before me have said, if she is wolf where are her teammates? There have been plenty of opportunities to run up a wagon on someone else. Did they give up early and are bussing her or voting on off wagons? It just doesn't feel right and that's a concern I have, though I still read her as scummy. I will vote her for now but read some other folks that I have null reads on and evaluate them.

Also I'll put together a reads list and post it.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

I think you are overestimating the difficulty of some of these towncore players replicating this level of towniness as scum. I have respect for their scumranges and all, but if someone is as town as tutuu or Hally or Mac, they're just town.

I don't buy the nutella busser theory. If there is a rotten egg in the towncore they would surely use their influence to stop a nutella exe. It wouldn't be hard. I could have dismantled the nutella wagon if I wanted, so could Mac or tutuu. To me it makes no sense for scum that's already super trusted to just let a teammate hang instead of saving them. You don't need any more towncred if you are Mac or tutuu or Hally, and you can shift the exe off nutella without being held accountable for it. Just say you scumread JPIC or SPF for some reason and it's off to the races.

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:52 pm

Herm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:47 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:28 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:24 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:21 pm

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:17 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:11 pm I'm town, not mafia, not rogue. If I was scum there wouldn't even be a towncore I would have destroyed it already.

What I am doing is coasting off of early townreads

didn't you say previous games meta means nothing to you? why should we believe you eaxctly?

Believe what you want but you do think I'm a good player right?

you see that's the problem, I think you are TOO GOOD a player, cause I have seen you as such.

It's a new community for me, I want to take the backseat for awhile and watch what happens.

Hmmmmm....

My wolf sense is tingling right now for some odd reason.

your "wolf" sense?

It was worded weird lol. What detects wolves? A shepherd?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:25 pm Good we have established that then

Reads please, you said you would be proactive. I am seeing nada so far

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:28 pm I think you are overestimating the difficulty of some of these towncore players replicating this level of towniness as scum. I have respect for their scumranges and all, but if someone is as town as tutuu or Hally or Mac, they're just town.

I don't buy the nutella busser theory. If there is a rotten egg in the towncore they would surely use their influence to stop a nutella exe. It wouldn't be hard. I could have dismantled the nutella wagon if I wanted, so could Mac or tutuu. To me it makes no sense for scum that's already super trusted to just let a teammate hang instead of saving them. You don't need any more towncred if you are Mac or tutuu or Hally, and you can shift the exe off nutella without being held accountable for it. Just say you scumread JPIC or SPF for some reason and it's off to the races.

If anyone is trying to save her, they're not doing a good job lol.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:28 pm
But here's the rub. Like others before me have said, if she is wolf where are her teammates? There have been plenty of opportunities to run up a wagon on someone else. Did they give up early and are bussing her or voting on off wagons? It just doesn't feel right and that's a concern I have, though I still read her as scummy. I will vote her for now but read some other folks that I have null reads on and evaluate them.

It could just be that the wolves have zero control of the gamestate right now if Nutella is a wolf

Current opinion on Tedxtr. Summary: Day one wolf lean, would chop

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:29 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:25 pm Good we have established that then

Reads please, you said you would be proactive. I am seeing nada so far

I have literally given you my reads

jpic and this game reminds me of the guy robbing convenience stores using an avocado as a hand grenade

I'm very unfamiliar with this eastablishing a town core on Day 1 strategy, ftr.

Herm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:35 pm I'm very unfamiliar with this eastablishing a town core on Day 1 strategy, ftr.

It is an interesting label but it's what happens every game

MacDougall is def Town Core Elder.

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:02 pm

Herm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:08 pm

Herm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:07 pm

Herm wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:48 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:13 pm

Herm wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 11:11 pm Did I miss anything juicy?

Idk check scum chat

Link me.

Nanook didn't respond or humor this post.

His other posts also doesn't strike me as super town or super scummy.

In conclusion.... He's 60% likely to be scum.

It's a good start!

it was this one tutuu

I really think those reasons aren't the reasons a wolf would come up with for a miselimination

Uh .... Ok thanks

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:40 pm

Herm wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:35 pm I'm very unfamiliar with this eastablishing a town core on Day 1 strategy, ftr.

It is an interesting label but it's what happens every game

Nah. Not every game. But this game is very very well suited for it.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:28 pm I think you are overestimating the difficulty of some of these towncore players replicating this level of towniness as scum. I have respect for their scumranges and all, but if someone is as town as tutuu or Hally or Mac, they're just town.

I don't buy the nutella busser theory. If there is a rotten egg in the towncore they would surely use their influence to stop a nutella exe. It wouldn't be hard. I could have dismantled the nutella wagon if I wanted, so could Mac or tutuu. To me it makes no sense for scum that's already super trusted to just let a teammate hang instead of saving them. You don't need any more towncred if you are Mac or tutuu or Hally, and you can shift the exe off nutella without being held accountable for it. Just say you scumread JPIC or SPF for some reason and it's off to the races.

Maybe I give people too much credit as players. I'm also seeing the "towncore effect" as spreading a lot further than just you, Tutuu, Hally, and Mac, but ymmv. Anyway, since I'm already on record as reading the four you named here as town myself I'm not going to quibble about this.

On not buying the Nutella busser theory...you are echoing the last part of what I said. I don't know that any pack mate would want to dismantle that wagon NOW, but there certainly was a time that it could have been done easily and no one did. That goes not just for the town core folk, that is a genuine NO ONE.

There are a number of possibilities there, one obvious one being that maybe Nutella just isn't a wolf. That's usually the first thing I think about a runaway day one wagon that doesn't encounter any resistance. But at the same time Nutella's ISO doesn't really offer anything to hang any resistance on. Maybe she's the rogue; that would fit the ISO and the widespread "not town" feelings while also explaining the lack of any resistance. Or it is possible that this was just an organized day one buss on a willing wolf; not a strategy I endorse if I'm wolfing, but it's not my call since I'm not.

I know there are plenty of players who look at bussing as such a crutch they almost can't wolf without it, so it's a possibility. Another consideration here is that in both my previous games on the Syndicate the host included hellbusser roles that encouraged and maybe outright demanded the wolves organize an early buss to unlock their powers.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:03 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:59 pm Solid Town
tutuu
mac
tedxtr
sprityo
samusamu
poison

towny, some paranoia
Alison
DrWilgy
dyachei
Dizzy
Hally
Nanook
Tim
Oddmerta

Null
Colin
Long Con

Wafflin
Herm
Radish
spf

Slight scumlean
Jpic
FP-juliets


hm. I ended up putting more people in paranoia tier than I thought I would

@nutella talk about why you had those reads on dya, dizzy, nanook, tim and oddmerta

I don’t remember you talking about any of them prior to this

Sorry just got to this, my catchup was slowed down by a work meeting
I talked about tim and odd a bit in a response to poison last night. Though you had an interesting post about both of them that made me wonder if one or both of them could be wolf.
Think I've talked about nanook a bit as well, he feels towny but I'm always kind of wary of him.
Dya I don't really know how to read well but they had decent tone I thought. Dizzy I've seen slank like this as town before so just awaiting more from him before making a real judgment but leaning town.

These are in no particular order within groups. Also, I realize there has to be more scum than nutella and I think when I iso some people some will drop into the Leaning Scum slot.

Top Tier
Alison
Mac
tutuu

Town For Now, Would Not Chop Today
Dizzy
sprityo
Hally
Oddmerta
dya
Radishes
Tim

Leaning Town, Some Reservations but Would Not Chop Today
ted - only reservation is Mac is not on board with a town read
Herm - only reservation is I haven't concentrated on his posts but my gut says town
Samu - when I read his posts I see his points but need to iso him
Dr.Wilgy - need to look closer at his posts but is high energy which I associate as town Wilgy
SPF - willing to give her the time she asked for but want to ISO her

Not Sure
Nanook - some think he is wolf and I need to read his iso to make a determination
Long Con - fools me often and I haven't seen enough from him to make a decision
Poison Chan - I just don't have a gut read at this point and need to iso her
JPIC - I see a potential towny role for him but Oddmerta see's a scummy role. Now that he's decided to be serious it should be easier to get a read
Colin - I don't remember any of his posts except for his vote for Alison

Leaning Scum
Nutella

I’ve got about 10 pages to catch up on rn, but the question of

“Who is Oddmerta?” Came into my mind

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:27 am @nutella you quoted 3 posts by spf to respond to why you suspect her. You said they were "manufactured" reads I believe. Can you expand on that? One of the posts was a list of her reads - did they all strike you as manufactured? Can you be any more specific? My apologies if you did this somewhere and I didn't see it.

it wasn't really the specific reads themselves so much as the whole principle of the thing (though I think I did disagree with a decent chunk of the actual reads which didn't help). just her approach of listing all the players and writing a sentence and a gth about each felt like forced content.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:27 am So, this morning I'm going to ISO nutella and JPIC since they and SPF are the wagons. (I've already decided I'm not voting SPF today unless there is something very damning from someone who reads her as wolf.) I have to take a little time right now to do some work but I will return late morning/early afternoon and also give you all a reads list.

cute


guys spf and jules are just wolves, haters can eat my dab