Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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It's a good move as sheriff or 3ptutuu wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:46 amunless something is racist/sexist etc i dont believe in the concept of unacceptable jokes, sounds silly to meStupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:42 am Are self votes acceptable jokes here?
At home self votes are NEVER town.
u should have seen me when i decided to claim wolf every single post for hours and hours as town
wutMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:56 am I'd like to point out that the obliterator is 100% 112 btw.
even better as VT, trust meStupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:00 amIt's a good move as sheriff or 3ptutuu wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:46 amunless something is racist/sexist etc i dont believe in the concept of unacceptable jokes, sounds silly to meStupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:42 am Are self votes acceptable jokes here?
At home self votes are NEVER town.
u should have seen me when i decided to claim wolf every single post for hours and hours as town
im so losttutuu wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:56 amwe all cant read lol
okay so mafia dont even have mafia chat with each other
i guess that the obltierator/mastermind also doesnt nkow their real identities. he knows code names like
Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange
and these 4 codenamed ppl only have private chat with the mastermind, who gets to direct ppl aroudn/boss them around etc
yea, mafia kinda shafted in this setup
i suppose mafia could know some of each other's identities, depending on what did the obliterator tell them / lied about / guided them
This isn't necessarily true. Mafia could have btsc /w each other AND oblitstermind.tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:56 amwe all cant read lol
okay so mafia dont even have mafia chat with each other
i guess that the obltierator/mastermind also doesnt nkow their real identities. he knows code names like
Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange
and these 4 codenamed ppl only have private chat with the mastermind, who gets to direct ppl aroudn/boss them around etc
yea, mafia kinda shafted in this setup
i suppose mafia could know some of each other's identities, depending on what did the obliterator tell them / lied about / guided them
wow, nutella blatantliny hinting shes the lost wolf. get her boysnutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:01 amim so losttutuu wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:56 amwe all cant read lol
okay so mafia dont even have mafia chat with each other
i guess that the obltierator/mastermind also doesnt nkow their real identities. he knows code names like
Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange
and these 4 codenamed ppl only have private chat with the mastermind, who gets to direct ppl aroudn/boss them around etc
yea, mafia kinda shafted in this setup
i suppose mafia could know some of each other's identities, depending on what did the obliterator tell them / lied about / guided them
i suppose u could be right. maybe i misunderstood that sentenceMade wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:03 amThis isn't necessarily true. Mafia could have btsc /w each other AND oblitstermind.tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:56 amwe all cant read lol
okay so mafia dont even have mafia chat with each other
i guess that the obltierator/mastermind also doesnt nkow their real identities. he knows code names like
Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange
and these 4 codenamed ppl only have private chat with the mastermind, who gets to direct ppl aroudn/boss them around etc
yea, mafia kinda shafted in this setup
i suppose mafia could know some of each other's identities, depending on what did the obliterator tell them / lied about / guided them
depends on if it's singular they or plural they, Tutuu. If singular they, each individual mafia member has btsc with Oblit. If plural they, they (being mafia) have btsc with oblit- which does not mean they don't have btsc with each other as well
considering jack's flip - so far i dont have this opinion. currently leaning that mafia just got shafted and the host expected town to suck more than it did
MacDougall has suspected me in every game we've played in together in the last 10 years, so I wasn't interested in clarification on that point.Thundercat wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:28 amWait did he really ask you to expand on point 8 but not point 9?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:26 amthis one is also probably a sloo teammateKylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:11 pminteresting. can you expand on thisMacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:00 pm So here are my relevant reads:
1. 112 is my top town. Polypies seems town.
2. Alison and Nutella are town but they've completely jumped the shark as players.
3. Tutuu is probably but might not be town and same with Poison. The fact that the majority of the game has been played through reading Tutuu who has been entirely NAI from my perspective meant I just wasted nearly 2 hours of my life catching up for no reason. Poison is actually probably just town too tbh.
4. The CDC clique being given a bunched town clear is the dumbest shit I have ever heard on maths alone let alone that there are actually players within that group that are scummy and some are town.
5. Falcon and Flanders are loltown.
6. KZA, NIK, Made, Sig, Martin all have pretty high equity to be mafia.
7. Anyone pretending to have near to lock reads here has mafia equity.
8. Sloonei is a 3p.
9. Kylemii is my top mafia.
what is what?Thundercat wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:32 am [VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine
Get in here @Kylemii, what is this?
not to mention he posted that list immediately following the joke read list I made before reading the thread.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:56 amMacDougall has suspected me in every game we've played in together in the last 10 years, so I wasn't interested in clarification on that point.Thundercat wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:28 amWait did he really ask you to expand on point 8 but not point 9?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:26 amthis one is also probably a sloo teammateKylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:11 pminteresting. can you expand on thisMacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:00 pm So here are my relevant reads:
1. 112 is my top town. Polypies seems town.
2. Alison and Nutella are town but they've completely jumped the shark as players.
3. Tutuu is probably but might not be town and same with Poison. The fact that the majority of the game has been played through reading Tutuu who has been entirely NAI from my perspective meant I just wasted nearly 2 hours of my life catching up for no reason. Poison is actually probably just town too tbh.
4. The CDC clique being given a bunched town clear is the dumbest shit I have ever heard on maths alone let alone that there are actually players within that group that are scummy and some are town.
5. Falcon and Flanders are loltown.
6. KZA, NIK, Made, Sig, Martin all have pretty high equity to be mafia.
7. Anyone pretending to have near to lock reads here has mafia equity.
8. Sloonei is a 3p.
9. Kylemii is my top mafia.
I'm interested in what exactly you like about thundercat's take? In detailStupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:32 amCarry on.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:28 am I'll leave it up to the general public
a) Do you want Mac to spend further time sharing the innumerable interactions between Jack and I that spew me clear?
b) Do you just want me to bury the mafia?
Can't have both.
I really like the take thunderpants just quoted.
Kyle's reptile question was oddly qwerky, seemed tp at the time, but now I feel like a tool.
Thanks Mac.
I can't tell if this is meant to be a compliment or an insult but I love you too.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:09 am I love Kylemii. He's my favourite player who never plays.
SecondedMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:15 am Im pretty convinced its just optimal to no lynch and let the jailer do the stuff tbh
Potential problem would be always no lynching loses us voting records that might help the jailer make decisionsMade wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:40 amSecondedMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:15 am Im pretty convinced its just optimal to no lynch and let the jailer do the stuff tbh
[VOTE: No lynch] aubergine
It guarantees civvies lead all “trains”, I don’t think I have better grip on things than the next town so I like the deferral here (for now)
This is my main issue with it.Made wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:49 amPotential problem would be always no lynching loses us voting records that might help the jailer make decisionsMade wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:40 amSecondedMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:15 am Im pretty convinced its just optimal to no lynch and let the jailer do the stuff tbh
[VOTE: No lynch] aubergine
It guarantees civvies lead all “trains”, I don’t think I have better grip on things than the next town so I like the deferral here (for now)
But how long until we can't use the jailer? Like at some point we're probably gonna run them up and make them claim or the Mafia just cap them. While they exist we should try to leverage it I feel.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:56 amThis is my main issue with it.Made wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:49 amPotential problem would be always no lynching loses us voting records that might help the jailer make decisionsMade wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:40 amSecondedMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:15 am Im pretty convinced its just optimal to no lynch and let the jailer do the stuff tbh
[VOTE: No lynch] aubergine
It guarantees civvies lead all “trains”, I don’t think I have better grip on things than the next town so I like the deferral here (for now)
I sorta want to just exe scummy players and not worry too much about interactions.
Voting records are about more than just interaction analysis though. There's stuff like "X had a weird progression on Y, they seemed to trust Y at first, but voted Y repeatedly over Z, who they claim to scumread" and so forth.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:56 am Not til the obliterator dies. Voting analysis is kinda bunk.
Like I am torn between NIK was probably mafia even if Jack didn't know it and in this build with such good town players we may have just run up two of them or just deferring to jailer.
I don't think its necessary to do that. Its like ITA lists. If there is a deepwolf in the towncore the entire list can just be scummy townies and it makes the entire premise very weak.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:58 amVoting records are about more than just interaction analysis though. There's stuff like "X had a weird progression on Y, they seemed to trust Y at first, but voted Y repeatedly over Z, who they claim to scumread" and so forth.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:56 am Not til the obliterator dies. Voting analysis is kinda bunk.
Like I am torn between NIK was probably mafia even if Jack didn't know it and in this build with such good town players we may have just run up two of them or just deferring to jailer.
A compromise is that we NL and let the jailor do their work, but do phantom votes so people are forced to make real stands. Maybe create a pool of jail targets so it's many people solving and not one.
Hm.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:59 am How exactly does that argument even make sense honestly?
Voting records aren't going to help the jailer anywhere near as much as personal night mason chat will. Voting records are effectively meaningless here.
How's that different from letting the jailor decide?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:01 amI don't think its necessary to do that. Its like ITA lists. If there is a deepwolf in the towncore the entire list can just be scummy townies and it makes the entire premise very weak.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:58 amVoting records are about more than just interaction analysis though. There's stuff like "X had a weird progression on Y, they seemed to trust Y at first, but voted Y repeatedly over Z, who they claim to scumread" and so forth.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:56 am Not til the obliterator dies. Voting analysis is kinda bunk.
Like I am torn between NIK was probably mafia even if Jack didn't know it and in this build with such good town players we may have just run up two of them or just deferring to jailer.
A compromise is that we NL and let the jailor do their work, but do phantom votes so people are forced to make real stands. Maybe create a pool of jail targets so it's many people solving and not one.
The jailer targeting scummy players isn't necessary because their role is equally strong at clearing town.
Exactly.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:01 amHow's that different from letting the jailor decide?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:01 amI don't think its necessary to do that. Its like ITA lists. If there is a deepwolf in the towncore the entire list can just be scummy townies and it makes the entire premise very weak.Alison wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:58 amVoting records are about more than just interaction analysis though. There's stuff like "X had a weird progression on Y, they seemed to trust Y at first, but voted Y repeatedly over Z, who they claim to scumread" and so forth.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:56 am Not til the obliterator dies. Voting analysis is kinda bunk.
Like I am torn between NIK was probably mafia even if Jack didn't know it and in this build with such good town players we may have just run up two of them or just deferring to jailer.
A compromise is that we NL and let the jailor do their work, but do phantom votes so people are forced to make real stands. Maybe create a pool of jail targets so it's many people solving and not one.
How does the jailor's power clear town?MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:01 amThe jailer targeting scummy players isn't necessary because their role is equally strong at clearing town.