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i'll ISO you later and come up with more. i understand why this would be frustrating for you if you're a villager, i'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around LC or Gira being a wolf.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:46 pmnot entirely unreasonable, but tbh i expect you to have more to say about me than just: "i townread SPF the least", Lolalexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:39 pmi dunno. maybe. i'm not really completely sold that any individual team makes complete sense and i'm more-so looking for who i townread the moststaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:36 pmso your solve is me/TSP? that's it? that's the team?alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:34 pmaside from early, my reads have been trash this game or i wouldn't be in lylo. (shrug)staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:31 pmyou do understand that by saying you want to vote for me, you're implying that you think the exact team is me/TSP, right? considering how confidently youve townread the TSP slot throughout this game, i have a hard time buying how quickly you are willing to write him off as a wolf and how quickly you are to be willing to vote for me in spite of having no specific reasons to scumread mealexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:38 pm i don't even wolfread SPF that much when she's posting i just don't think this game makes a lot of sense with her as town
also i'm kind of over this game and ready for a re-do (though ik i can't blame myself for villagers doing fuck all) so tempted to just vote her but i will be good and wait
i wouldn't say i "confidently townread the slot throughout," i had some issues with Esooa, i thought that Crichard's emotional over-reactions were town-indicative but i've been burned by that kind of read before and since we're in LYLO now and i've found various reasons to townread everyone remaining throughout, the stakes are clearly higher
i don't think taking that approach in LYLO is unreasonable
i mean yeah fypov this would be the case considering everyone but LC, who you townread, has expressed suspicion on you/a probable desire to vote you, and even he has entertained you as wolfstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:47 pm i think there's a solid 50-60% chance that today ends with me dying and us losing and my intuition tells me that the wolves are probably playing in a way to try to push that into happening
gira was near the bottom of your POE since yesterday. what happened that changed your read on him so rapidly? did i miss something?alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:48 pmi'll ISO you later and come up with more. i understand why this would be frustrating for you if you're a villager, i'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around LC or Gira being a wolf.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:46 pmnot entirely unreasonable, but tbh i expect you to have more to say about me than just: "i townread SPF the least", Lolalexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:39 pmi dunno. maybe. i'm not really completely sold that any individual team makes complete sense and i'm more-so looking for who i townread the moststaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:36 pmso your solve is me/TSP? that's it? that's the team?alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:34 pmaside from early, my reads have been trash this game or i wouldn't be in lylo. (shrug)staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:31 pmyou do understand that by saying you want to vote for me, you're implying that you think the exact team is me/TSP, right? considering how confidently youve townread the TSP slot throughout this game, i have a hard time buying how quickly you are willing to write him off as a wolf and how quickly you are to be willing to vote for me in spite of having no specific reasons to scumread mealexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:38 pm i don't even wolfread SPF that much when she's posting i just don't think this game makes a lot of sense with her as town
also i'm kind of over this game and ready for a re-do (though ik i can't blame myself for villagers doing fuck all) so tempted to just vote her but i will be good and wait
i wouldn't say i "confidently townread the slot throughout," i had some issues with Esooa, i thought that Crichard's emotional over-reactions were town-indicative but i've been burned by that kind of read before and since we're in LYLO now and i've found various reasons to townread everyone remaining throughout, the stakes are clearly higher
i don't think taking that approach in LYLO is unreasonable
no i decided gira was town yesterday then i thought that only W/W worlds made sense with gira today then i reconsidered that him killing Nook, who townread him and him only, would make literally no sense so i read his posts in a different light and am back to him being a solid townreadstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:50 pmgira was near the bottom of your POE since yesterday. what happened that changed your read on him so rapidly? did i miss something?alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:48 pmi'll ISO you later and come up with more. i understand why this would be frustrating for you if you're a villager, i'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around LC or Gira being a wolf.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:46 pmnot entirely unreasonable, but tbh i expect you to have more to say about me than just: "i townread SPF the least", Lolalexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:39 pmi dunno. maybe. i'm not really completely sold that any individual team makes complete sense and i'm more-so looking for who i townread the moststaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:36 pmso your solve is me/TSP? that's it? that's the team?alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:34 pmaside from early, my reads have been trash this game or i wouldn't be in lylo. (shrug)staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:31 pm
you do understand that by saying you want to vote for me, you're implying that you think the exact team is me/TSP, right? considering how confidently youve townread the TSP slot throughout this game, i have a hard time buying how quickly you are willing to write him off as a wolf and how quickly you are to be willing to vote for me in spite of having no specific reasons to scumread me
i wouldn't say i "confidently townread the slot throughout," i had some issues with Esooa, i thought that Crichard's emotional over-reactions were town-indicative but i've been burned by that kind of read before and since we're in LYLO now and i've found various reasons to townread everyone remaining throughout, the stakes are clearly higher
i don't think taking that approach in LYLO is unreasonable
yah, so then why did you ask "why do you think that you would be an easier push than TSP?" on the last page? it seems self-explanatory to me. i am pretty convinced at this point that i was taken to the f5 specifically so that i could get pushed onalexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:49 pmi mean yeah fypov this would be the case considering everyone but LC, who you townread, has expressed suspicion on you/a probable desire to vote you, and even he has entertained you as wolfstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:47 pm i think there's a solid 50-60% chance that today ends with me dying and us losing and my intuition tells me that the wolves are probably playing in a way to try to push that into happening
because i still think w!gira would have an easier time getting TSP chopped than you unless they're specifically W/Wstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:52 pmyah, so then why did you ask "why do you think that you would be an easier push than TSP?" on the last page? it seems self-explanatory to me. i am pretty convinced at this point that i was taken to the f5 specifically so that i could get pushed onalexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:49 pmi mean yeah fypov this would be the case considering everyone but LC, who you townread, has expressed suspicion on you/a probable desire to vote you, and even he has entertained you as wolfstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:47 pm i think there's a solid 50-60% chance that today ends with me dying and us losing and my intuition tells me that the wolves are probably playing in a way to try to push that into happening
but where did the "solid townread" come from? what does it mean to view his posts in a "different light"? if you've explained your read on him in more detail somewhere else then feel free to link it to me, but i feel like this post tells me nothingalexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:52 pmno i decided gira was town yesterday then i thought that only W/W worlds made sense with gira today then i reconsidered that him killing Nook, who townread him and him only, would make literally no sense so i read his posts in a different light and am back to him being a solid townreadstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:50 pmgira was near the bottom of your POE since yesterday. what happened that changed your read on him so rapidly? did i miss something?alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:48 pmi'll ISO you later and come up with more. i understand why this would be frustrating for you if you're a villager, i'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around LC or Gira being a wolf.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:46 pmnot entirely unreasonable, but tbh i expect you to have more to say about me than just: "i townread SPF the least", Lolalexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:39 pmi dunno. maybe. i'm not really completely sold that any individual team makes complete sense and i'm more-so looking for who i townread the moststaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:36 pmso your solve is me/TSP? that's it? that's the team?alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:34 pm
aside from early, my reads have been trash this game or i wouldn't be in lylo. (shrug)
i wouldn't say i "confidently townread the slot throughout," i had some issues with Esooa, i thought that Crichard's emotional over-reactions were town-indicative but i've been burned by that kind of read before and since we're in LYLO now and i've found various reasons to townread everyone remaining throughout, the stakes are clearly higher
i don't think taking that approach in LYLO is unreasonable
i'm not really clearing you over it just explaining what i'm trying to work through (and expressing my displeasure at it)alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:48 pmi accused you of having a grudge because i was bothered by the way you were talking to me w/'bite me' and just generally lingering overall feelings i had that i lashed out over, it was not-alignment-relevant so you should probably come up with a better reason to clear me if you're using that, same w/what i know you're clearing Crich for honestly.Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:43 pm if alexa is mafia her accusing me of having a grudge because i accused her of being scum is really dirty (i mean in general i don't think it's appropriate to say that in a game, borderline OGI, but especially low if mafia). lc being mafia with spf would also be weird because of day 1. but eh. i stand by taking things one step at a time
(but again, i do apologize and i shouldn't have brought it into the game)
that's just clearly not true considering that every living player today has wolfread me or stated an intent to vote me and i dont know how it's a perspective you could reasonably hold as town, but im gonna stop myself from getting worked up about italexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:53 pmbecause i still think w!gira would have an easier time getting TSP chopped than you unless they're specifically W/Wstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:52 pmyah, so then why did you ask "why do you think that you would be an easier push than TSP?" on the last page? it seems self-explanatory to me. i am pretty convinced at this point that i was taken to the f5 specifically so that i could get pushed onalexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:49 pmi mean yeah fypov this would be the case considering everyone but LC, who you townread, has expressed suspicion on you/a probable desire to vote you, and even he has entertained you as wolfstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:47 pm i think there's a solid 50-60% chance that today ends with me dying and us losing and my intuition tells me that the wolves are probably playing in a way to try to push that into happening
that wasn't my reasoning smhstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:34 pmyou, tsp, and gira have all voiced intent to vote for me today. do you really need me to explain why i'm an easier push from the wolves POV than TSP is?alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:57 pmwhy do you think you're easier to push then TSP?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:44 am i mean if youre a wolf, then fypov, your only pushes are lime coke/alexa/TSP. all of those names are very difficult to push and all of them have been towny at various parts of the game, so if you are a wolf then i would expect you to be pushing me just like youre pushing me right now
granted, that doesn't MAKE you a wolf, but it does mean that your approach today is aligning specifically with how you would likely be playing this situation as a wolf
a part of me feels like w!Gira doesn't pick v!TSP to clear of all people
the worst part is that nobody pushing on me (save gira) has actually presented reasoning to scumread me and is just defaulting to the: "everyone else looks townier" reasoning, which is reasoning that i hate being on the receiving end of because it is shallow and impossible to refute. it's also reasoning that mafia tend to coast off of a lot when they want to push on a villager without having a good reason
tbf im not sure if youve posted reasoning at allTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:57 pmthat wasn't my reasoning smhstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:34 pmyou, tsp, and gira have all voiced intent to vote for me today. do you really need me to explain why i'm an easier push from the wolves POV than TSP is?alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:57 pmwhy do you think you're easier to push then TSP?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:44 am i mean if youre a wolf, then fypov, your only pushes are lime coke/alexa/TSP. all of those names are very difficult to push and all of them have been towny at various parts of the game, so if you are a wolf then i would expect you to be pushing me just like youre pushing me right now
granted, that doesn't MAKE you a wolf, but it does mean that your approach today is aligning specifically with how you would likely be playing this situation as a wolf
a part of me feels like w!Gira doesn't pick v!TSP to clear of all people
the worst part is that nobody pushing on me (save gira) has actually presented reasoning to scumread me and is just defaulting to the: "everyone else looks townier" reasoning, which is reasoning that i hate being on the receiving end of because it is shallow and impossible to refute. it's also reasoning that mafia tend to coast off of a lot when they want to push on a villager without having a good reason
i did not have any issue with you prior to this gamestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:28 pm @Gira -
fwiw, i'm not really comfortable with you labeling me as being part of a "clique" and insinuating that i dislike you or have some kind of issue with you. wev'e been running in the same mafia circles with each other since i was 14 years old and i've always assumed that we mutually respect and enjoy playing with each other, so i'm not really sure why this game feels so oddly personal and heated. we can talk about it more in the post-game, but i want to make it clear that i really do not have an issue with you
well it's certainly me trying to get gira to vote for you, results will prove variedstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:42 pmif tsp is a wolf and gira is town then i think this is him trying to get gira to vote me so that the mafia can win lolTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:31 pm fwiw gira coming in and doing all that nonsense and then not voting for spf is a look
lol for real?
in a different light = in the light of thinking he's town/confbiasing him as town because he wouldn't kill Nook, and then I don't have trouble seeing the way he's approaching reads/working through a solve coming from a villager. I think based on our last experience in the anon game, him clearing TSP off of Crich makes a lot of sense - though i'm personally not convinced that the behavior from Rich is exclusive to him being town since it wasn't something i saw from him as either alignment before his break - and his trying to find the villager in me/you/LC but not being convinced that he could win anyway/that we'd townread him all sounded very organic to me and easy to see as the perspective of a villager trying to solve the game. and, a lot of my view of him has been warped at various points from feeling his approach to me was in bad faith.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:54 pmbut where did the "solid townread" come from? what does it mean to view his posts in a "different light"? if you've explained your read on him in more detail somewhere else then feel free to link it to me, but i feel like this post tells me nothingalexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:52 pmno i decided gira was town yesterday then i thought that only W/W worlds made sense with gira today then i reconsidered that him killing Nook, who townread him and him only, would make literally no sense so i read his posts in a different light and am back to him being a solid townreadstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:50 pmgira was near the bottom of your POE since yesterday. what happened that changed your read on him so rapidly? did i miss something?alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:48 pmi'll ISO you later and come up with more. i understand why this would be frustrating for you if you're a villager, i'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around LC or Gira being a wolf.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:46 pmnot entirely unreasonable, but tbh i expect you to have more to say about me than just: "i townread SPF the least", Lolalexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:39 pmi dunno. maybe. i'm not really completely sold that any individual team makes complete sense and i'm more-so looking for who i townread the moststaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:36 pm
so your solve is me/TSP? that's it? that's the team?
i don't think taking that approach in LYLO is unreasonable
what PR?
i have more to say about this but i will hold my tongue for nowGira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:58 pmi did not have any issue with you prior to this gamestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:28 pm @Gira -
fwiw, i'm not really comfortable with you labeling me as being part of a "clique" and insinuating that i dislike you or have some kind of issue with you. wev'e been running in the same mafia circles with each other since i was 14 years old and i've always assumed that we mutually respect and enjoy playing with each other, so i'm not really sure why this game feels so oddly personal and heated. we can talk about it more in the post-game, but i want to make it clear that i really do not have an issue with you
i think my issue with the dynamics of how things have played out is self-evident
You know my gimmick and I'd rather have that than the other stuff I get ragged on for.
to be honest, i dont really believe this claim regardless of your alignment lol
i don't care to drag any more mud onto the boards of the syndicate people than i have already (and, massive apologies to them) but i sort of have to express what i think is going onstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:02 pmi have more to say about this but i will hold my tongue for nowGira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:58 pmi did not have any issue with you prior to this gamestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:28 pm @Gira -
fwiw, i'm not really comfortable with you labeling me as being part of a "clique" and insinuating that i dislike you or have some kind of issue with you. wev'e been running in the same mafia circles with each other since i was 14 years old and i've always assumed that we mutually respect and enjoy playing with each other, so i'm not really sure why this game feels so oddly personal and heated. we can talk about it more in the post-game, but i want to make it clear that i really do not have an issue with you
i think my issue with the dynamics of how things have played out is self-evident
tbh i knew faking that was entirely in your wheelhouse
okay, thank you for explaining. i can kind of understand what youre getting at but to be honest i also feel like a lot of this post is just you describing what gira is doing in the game and then ascribing townyness to it, instead of explaining why those specific things ~are~ towny. it's the type of read that leaves me feeling cold because it comes off as being information over analysis, but i think it's a read you could believe in regardless of your alignmentalexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:01 pmin a different light = in the light of thinking he's town/confbiasing him as town because he wouldn't kill Nook, and then I don't have trouble seeing the way he's approaching reads/working through a solve coming from a villager. I think based on our last experience in the anon game, him clearing TSP off of Crich makes a lot of sense - though i'm personally not convinced that the behavior from Rich is exclusive to him being town since it wasn't something i saw from him as either alignment before his break - and his trying to find the villager in me/you/LC but not being convinced that he could win anyway/that we'd townread him all sounded very organic to me and easy to see as the perspective of a villager trying to solve the game. and, a lot of my view of him has been warped at various points from feeling his approach to me was in bad faith.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:54 pmbut where did the "solid townread" come from? what does it mean to view his posts in a "different light"? if you've explained your read on him in more detail somewhere else then feel free to link it to me, but i feel like this post tells me nothingalexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:52 pmno i decided gira was town yesterday then i thought that only W/W worlds made sense with gira today then i reconsidered that him killing Nook, who townread him and him only, would make literally no sense so i read his posts in a different light and am back to him being a solid townreadstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:50 pmgira was near the bottom of your POE since yesterday. what happened that changed your read on him so rapidly? did i miss something?alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:48 pmi'll ISO you later and come up with more. i understand why this would be frustrating for you if you're a villager, i'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around LC or Gira being a wolf.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:46 pmnot entirely unreasonable, but tbh i expect you to have more to say about me than just: "i townread SPF the least", Lol
i may be over emphasizing the amount i townread him, but his posting today imo has been the most towny and i was committed to re-doing my reads from scratch coming into the day
that was...kind of what i was trying to get at? but one of them is town along for the rideTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:06 pm like smh gira if you're a town you're not getting cliqued the clique is literally a wolf team and if you're a wolf stop complaining
i mean.. maybestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:07 pmokay, thank you for explaining. i can kind of understand what youre getting at but to be honest i also feel like a lot of this post is just you describing what gira is doing in the game and then ascribing townyness to it, instead of explaining why those specific things ~are~ towny. it's the type of read that leaves me feeling cold because it comes off as being information over analysis, but i think it's a read you could believe in regardless of your alignmentalexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:01 pmin a different light = in the light of thinking he's town/confbiasing him as town because he wouldn't kill Nook, and then I don't have trouble seeing the way he's approaching reads/working through a solve coming from a villager. I think based on our last experience in the anon game, him clearing TSP off of Crich makes a lot of sense - though i'm personally not convinced that the behavior from Rich is exclusive to him being town since it wasn't something i saw from him as either alignment before his break - and his trying to find the villager in me/you/LC but not being convinced that he could win anyway/that we'd townread him all sounded very organic to me and easy to see as the perspective of a villager trying to solve the game. and, a lot of my view of him has been warped at various points from feeling his approach to me was in bad faith.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:54 pmbut where did the "solid townread" come from? what does it mean to view his posts in a "different light"? if you've explained your read on him in more detail somewhere else then feel free to link it to me, but i feel like this post tells me nothingalexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:52 pmno i decided gira was town yesterday then i thought that only W/W worlds made sense with gira today then i reconsidered that him killing Nook, who townread him and him only, would make literally no sense so i read his posts in a different light and am back to him being a solid townreadstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:50 pmgira was near the bottom of your POE since yesterday. what happened that changed your read on him so rapidly? did i miss something?alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:48 pmi'll ISO you later and come up with more. i understand why this would be frustrating for you if you're a villager, i'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around LC or Gira being a wolf.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:46 pm
not entirely unreasonable, but tbh i expect you to have more to say about me than just: "i townread SPF the least", Lol
i may be over emphasizing the amount i townread him, but his posting today imo has been the most towny and i was committed to re-doing my reads from scratch coming into the day
yeah i mean, i don't really disagree that lime coke's progression on wilgy looks like a bus/indicative of having TMI on a surface level - i actually picked up on something similar a few nights ago when i was reading through everyones progressions on wilgy. if you took that progression in a vacuum then i think it makes sense to wolfread LC for it, but looking at the game in a larger context, i think LC has consistently been outside of his wolfrange and has towntold in many different ways outside of his push on wilgy, so i don't find it a compelling reason on its own for LC to be a wolf
this is objectively true but also SPF lashed out at me day 1 for daring to express suspicion on her/entertain LC's suspicion which i feel like is evidently unpartneredTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:07 pm anyways of those three the one who would be least likely to catch on to being wolfed is LC so team of SPF/Alexa seems most likely
above all else i'm just frustrated that this game would create an issue between us, but it's something that i dont see any benefit in discussing publiclyGira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:05 pmi don't care to drag any more mud onto the boards of the syndicate people than i have already (and, massive apologies to them) but i sort of have to express what i think is going onstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:02 pmi have more to say about this but i will hold my tongue for nowGira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:58 pmi did not have any issue with you prior to this gamestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:28 pm @Gira -
fwiw, i'm not really comfortable with you labeling me as being part of a "clique" and insinuating that i dislike you or have some kind of issue with you. wev'e been running in the same mafia circles with each other since i was 14 years old and i've always assumed that we mutually respect and enjoy playing with each other, so i'm not really sure why this game feels so oddly personal and heated. we can talk about it more in the post-game, but i want to make it clear that i really do not have an issue with you
i think my issue with the dynamics of how things have played out is self-evident
SPF being a wolf feels far more likely to me than LC being a wolfTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:13 pm i mean if both of you are town then you should both start deciding that LC is a wolf and we can move on with our lives
in general, i think it's a bad idea to read too closely into nightkills, particularly when the nightkills have been as confusing and WIFOMy as they have in this game. it's true that it would not benefit wolf!gira to kill nanook in his position, but this assumes that the wolves didn't have any other benefits from killing nanook that would outweigh nanook's townread on gira. the logic is just assuming way too much about how the wolves were thinking about the nightkills and it really does not work for mealexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:09 pmi mean.. maybestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:07 pmokay, thank you for explaining. i can kind of understand what youre getting at but to be honest i also feel like a lot of this post is just you describing what gira is doing in the game and then ascribing townyness to it, instead of explaining why those specific things ~are~ towny. it's the type of read that leaves me feeling cold because it comes off as being information over analysis, but i think it's a read you could believe in regardless of your alignmentalexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:01 pmin a different light = in the light of thinking he's town/confbiasing him as town because he wouldn't kill Nook, and then I don't have trouble seeing the way he's approaching reads/working through a solve coming from a villager. I think based on our last experience in the anon game, him clearing TSP off of Crich makes a lot of sense - though i'm personally not convinced that the behavior from Rich is exclusive to him being town since it wasn't something i saw from him as either alignment before his break - and his trying to find the villager in me/you/LC but not being convinced that he could win anyway/that we'd townread him all sounded very organic to me and easy to see as the perspective of a villager trying to solve the game. and, a lot of my view of him has been warped at various points from feeling his approach to me was in bad faith.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:54 pmbut where did the "solid townread" come from? what does it mean to view his posts in a "different light"? if you've explained your read on him in more detail somewhere else then feel free to link it to me, but i feel like this post tells me nothingalexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:52 pmno i decided gira was town yesterday then i thought that only W/W worlds made sense with gira today then i reconsidered that him killing Nook, who townread him and him only, would make literally no sense so i read his posts in a different light and am back to him being a solid townreadstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 5:50 pmgira was near the bottom of your POE since yesterday. what happened that changed your read on him so rapidly? did i miss something?
i may be over emphasizing the amount i townread him, but his posting today imo has been the most towny and i was committed to re-doing my reads from scratch coming into the day
but you have to acknowledge that like, what wolf motivation does gira have to kill the one person townreading him? i don't think there's much proof that Nook re-valled his reads every time he lived or anything like that
and i think that w!Gira not having a reason to lock TSP as V unless they're W/W is a valid point