Re: The Game of Champions 2024 [Day 4]
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:02 pm
Guys, check your role toolbox of powers again, does ANYONE maybe have a hammer or two in there? 

Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
This postures nutella to vote Pyxnutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:19 amHm I had thought pyxxy's approach to reasoning through stuff looked good but you got me to reread this post and now I am confused by his reasoning yeahS~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 5:19 amRight, and people surprised they needed to fight today means they didn't know they were the leading wagon at some point yesterday. Which a wolf would know, so it's unlikely she is one to my mind.pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 9:41 pmit depends on how I think the mech works
I townread SVS so let's just drop her from the conversation. yes her numbers thing doesn't click with me, I don't think that's indicative
Roxy's inclusion and subsequent activity in the thread reads as someone surprised that she has to fight to live today. meaning overnight, if Roxy is scum, mafia felt pretty comfortable in how they were controlling the thread, and had today really shake things up
so I suspect Roxy
however I have a smaller % of curiosity about mech, and how you talked about it. I want more votes on the board first before we get lost in a mech rabbit hole.
my mech theory were Roxy is scum is more likely than my mech theory where we're all town
[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine
This post makes it feel like you're trying to make the thread fit your scenario, rather than trying to make your scenario fit the thread. That way you explained it feels convoluted and not totally sincere.
Imma keep reading, but at this time I'm putting in a vote, [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine I'm totally up to changing it, but as always never know how work is gonna go so might not get a chance to vote later.
And somewhat further in the same field, it's a progression that opens pyx up to a vote while taking away from the rox vote.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 5:02 pmugh idk. my perspective of d1 stuff is still so fuzzy and i guess i thought she seemed fine enough her approach today has just been setting me off so muchCape90 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 1:38 pm Hm I don't like my Roxy vote
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
Had reasons to think a couple of pyxxy's train of thoughts read as towny but those don't trump the towniness of Roxy.
@nutella you seem like you are forcing confidence on your Thunal scum read
Slowing down, Where did your initial townread come from?
i see that she straight up hard-softed something which i. really don't like how she went about it whether it's real or fake but maybe i should back off
Then a recension, but based on pyx's perspectivenutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 5:07 pmwhy do i want to trust this all of a suddenpyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:32 pmI do not have mech proving Roxy red else I would drop that.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:29 pmI'm trying to understand pyxxy's POV since I thought he might have mech suggesting Roxy wolf, but then he came out saying he was a set up chop after she flipped green so I might have misread. Why do you find that sus?Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:26 pm You wolf?Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:24 pmWhy would Roxy flip green from your POV unless you think SVS might flip red?pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:16 pmidk the acronym meaning for LIMP :<Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 1:55 am
LIMP
The problem with this btw is that Roxy was almost voted out day 1, I led on it. There isn't really a world where Roxy should have felt safe today. If Roxy is scum, I think your town equity goes up based off this comment, if Roxy is town, you sound scummy to me here
I don't like that you're setting me up here to be chopped next if Roxy flips green
feels like TMI
My reads here are simply that SVS is town, I trust your mech, I know my mech, and that leaves Roxy most likely (in my mech solve) as having been mafia using a power. I don't think she was performing the NK.
Lastly, not committing to the pyx vote but only after the mech 'solving' that pyx put in.
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 11:50 amSome of us tried to make the thread not dead
But I dunno what to talk about xD
Sorry doc I missed it and kept forgetting to go look for it, I’ll take a look over lunch if I got timeDrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 10:54 pm Aye, I also think there's enough in this to indicate both sprit isn't w/w and the claim is real (enough).So again, just a matter of how long we have to deal with Sprit.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 2:52 pm cape: less confident in his towniness than earlier, had some weird takes but he sometimes just has weird takes as town. possible deep wolf candidate but not pursuing today
dm: non-entity
wilgy: seemed to have his standard loose/in-and-out but genuine energy, ok for now
sprit: is my vote, did not like his entry today and iirc roxy flip doesnt look good for him
Sprit not responding to my ask is concerning. I was thinking if there was a world were he could tag town, we off to prevent potential explosion, and then they could still achieve their win-con assuming they tag correctly we could pursue that, but I'm not sure about that now.
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:55 amI mean sure, I wouldn't always expect that to turn into a vote. It seemed more like he had some actual reasoning to vote roxy specifically, jury's still out on the motivation behind that reasoning, but I think your interpretation here is just off courseMichelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:36 amBecause usually town is weirded out by someone suspecting them.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:22 amwait what this doesn't make sense either, why do you think it's worse that he voted for roxy instead of "omgus onto the main cw"Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 7:56 am Without reading the last 60 posts I dislike Pyxxy's vote the most.
Please correct me if I am wrong, he had the bigger cw on Thunal and a smaller one on Roxy and he chosed the smaller one. (Also I don't remember how many votes Pyxxy had when he voted).
I am not reading the words here, just the reason from an uninformed slot to not OMGUS into the main cw, on the player who’s voting him, but voting on a player who started to look townier toDay and ignoring SVS as obvious town.
It looks to me like he didn't even try to find the truth here, but to find a place to vote.
There's not alot between Nutella and Michelle from Nutella's perspective. I almost want to say it's + for Michelle on the first, but eh.nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 12:12 pmit's kinda like the "vibetell" of iawy fame, she just feels like she's in the thread position that a wolf would be inMichelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 12:02 pmExplain your suspicion on Porsche please.
and the few interactions i had with her early on pinged me, plus she kind of dropped off the radar in the second half of the day
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Mar 09, 2025 11:55 pm ehh i mean i guess darling isn't actively scummier and should be closer to null but it's balanced out a bit by how much I am used to wilgy specifically playing lowkey. he at least made some jokey/somewhat participatory posts where dm didn't and it felt more like dm more fully dodged posting on d1
same with DM. DM was put in somewhat of a more voteable posture than me in the first quote and that's probably worth something, but unsure how much. It's either taking the LHF or it's the lightest shade of distancing with a non present teammate as neither DM or I were either really being discussed or invested at this point.
nutella also seemed performatively sure that the limited poll was 4 town. If it were 4 town, she knows she'd look good by saying that and it wouldn't cost her a miskill d2. I think that leans that it actually was 4 town and she could have been spooked by pyxxy's mech. My paranoia is that she never really pushed or voted pyxxy.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:05 pm So, there's a world where the limited pool was all town and I *CAN* think of that to be the case. If it's a w/w Nut/Pyx world I don't see why Nut would even posture Pyx here as both Roxy AND Thunal were options dissuading from a bus. Further, it's not like Nut was part of the exchange between SVS, Thunal and Pyx that they chimed in on.
Oh, something else now that I think on it, and reliant upon being correct on Abigail being town, Nutella would've not known what caused the limited pool. When Pyx began catching up that day, does a wolf double down on their posturing on a player that starts contributing mechanically the way Pyx does OR does a wolf take the path of least resistance and allow the explanation to come to the thread?
sig wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 1:24 pm I think we, and by we I mean someone who isn’t me since jeez life is busy, should keep the D2 voters in a POE.
Also probably worth it to see who voted off wagon D1. I’ve always found day 1 wagons to be rough as mafia, not much manufactured suspicion to go off of and you don’t want to vote for town.
Also if Thunal or Nutella is mafia the other is as well.
Right. I'm wondering if it's a timing thing. The mech coming out RIGHT before a potential Nut vote has me stumped, as it really looked like it was heading that direction.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:58 pmnutella also seemed performatively sure that the limited poll was 4 town. If it were 4 town, she knows she'd look good by saying that and it wouldn't cost her a miskill d2. I think that leans that it actually was 4 town and she could have been spooked by pyxxy's mech. My paranoia is that she never really pushed or voted pyxxy.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:05 pm So, there's a world where the limited pool was all town and I *CAN* think of that to be the case. If it's a w/w Nut/Pyx world I don't see why Nut would even posture Pyx here as both Roxy AND Thunal were options dissuading from a bus. Further, it's not like Nut was part of the exchange between SVS, Thunal and Pyx that they chimed in on.
Oh, something else now that I think on it, and reliant upon being correct on Abigail being town, Nutella would've not known what caused the limited pool. When Pyx began catching up that day, does a wolf double down on their posturing on a player that starts contributing mechanically the way Pyx does OR does a wolf take the path of least resistance and allow the explanation to come to the thread?
Yeah, it's kind of too early to tell if nutella would have committed to a pyxxy vote had the mech not happened.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:13 pmRight. I'm wondering if it's a timing thing. The mech coming out RIGHT before a potential Nut vote has me stumped, as it really looked like it was heading that direction.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:58 pmnutella also seemed performatively sure that the limited poll was 4 town. If it were 4 town, she knows she'd look good by saying that and it wouldn't cost her a miskill d2. I think that leans that it actually was 4 town and she could have been spooked by pyxxy's mech. My paranoia is that she never really pushed or voted pyxxy.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 12:05 pm So, there's a world where the limited pool was all town and I *CAN* think of that to be the case. If it's a w/w Nut/Pyx world I don't see why Nut would even posture Pyx here as both Roxy AND Thunal were options dissuading from a bus. Further, it's not like Nut was part of the exchange between SVS, Thunal and Pyx that they chimed in on.
Oh, something else now that I think on it, and reliant upon being correct on Abigail being town, Nutella would've not known what caused the limited pool. When Pyx began catching up that day, does a wolf double down on their posturing on a player that starts contributing mechanically the way Pyx does OR does a wolf take the path of least resistance and allow the explanation to come to the thread?
I dislike sig jumping on the bandwagon of my PoE being too safe. It's the same thing nutella did. Also not a fan of the read on Roxy.sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 11, 2025 4:19 pm Random day 1 thoughts based off my catch up
1. Falcon is looking very good he’s a solid civ read.
2. Scotty is engaging and seems civvy
3. Not a fan of this wagon on me, I know it went away, when I had only posted fluff, seems like a safe area for mafia to sit.
4. Abi is probably mafia.
5. SVS is either power wolfing or civ, but I seem to recall she doesn’t power wolf often
6. Michelle has pocketed me
7. I’m civ reading Roxy, which probably means she mafia.
8. What does “snowed by” mean? Why do we keep creating new lingo![]()
9. Thunal EOD 1 POE is horrible. It’s basically low poster/low hanging fruit. Zero chance someone who’s actively hunting isn’t mafia.
then proceeded to vote me:Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:21 pm☆Princess Abigail☆ - her reads and logic feel like proper Town thinking when it's not shallow and breezy.
Scotty - I am vibing with Scotty this game, even before I was vibing with him.
S~V~S - In the good books right now, mostly based off Day 1 reactions.
Porscha - Probably vibey, I feel like I can remember feeling Townish about Porscha, but being silenced Day 2 and slightly disconnecting, I don't know why.
Thunal33 - General town vibe plus reasonable claim
Michelle - I think Michelle is being one of the strongest solvers right now, I like her methods.
Cape90 - I don't feel bad about Cape. Opinion still forming.
falcon45ca - Pretty cool, but hasn't shone yet.
pyxxy - I do feel sketchy about pyxxy, I think there's some quasi-claim that is too amorphous to trust
sig - Ah, I don't know. Maybe sig should be higher.
DrWilgy - I trust Wilgy less than those above, I don't know that he's done anything to try to advance the game, but I do know that Town Wilgy is obliquely awesome and this ain't it.
nutella - Some of the accusatory stuff rings true, and she's edgy in some of her posts
sprityo - I'm still deciding if I believe his claim, but leaning to 'not'.
DarlingMonroe - Shining Town star, I tried to nominate her Town performance for a Socky, but the tickets sold out faster than Taylor Swift.
and shortly after this, was your iso of my slot, which looked to be the largest contribution in isolation this game
Then you fall to the nutella vote only after the 'shenanigans' and nutella's wagon was course corrected.
This is DM's but again, I don't extrapolate anything of meaning.sig wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 1:24 pm I think we, and by we I mean someone who isn’t me since jeez life is busy, should keep the D2 voters in a POE.
Also probably worth it to see who voted off wagon D1. I’ve always found day 1 wagons to be rough as mafia, not much manufactured suspicion to go off of and you don’t want to vote for town.
Also if Thunal or Nutella is mafia the other is as well.
There's a world where DM really just went with the thread and the understanding of Nut W and Sprit 3p caused the vote move. It feels like both 'DM entered trying to save Nut but then didn't' and 'DM went with thread and understanding of roles' could just be a coinflip.DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 6:53 pm Is there anything that points to Nutella being wolf?
Because if so, I guess it's better to go for the wolf than the third party, no?
These are all very reasonable concerns. If you are willing to put a pin in it for now, I think we can work together and find wolves.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:43 pm LC you wolfing?
You gave this yesterday with me above nutella,then proceeded to vote me:Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:21 pm☆Princess Abigail☆ - her reads and logic feel like proper Town thinking when it's not shallow and breezy.
Scotty - I am vibing with Scotty this game, even before I was vibing with him.
S~V~S - In the good books right now, mostly based off Day 1 reactions.
Porscha - Probably vibey, I feel like I can remember feeling Townish about Porscha, but being silenced Day 2 and slightly disconnecting, I don't know why.
Thunal33 - General town vibe plus reasonable claim
Michelle - I think Michelle is being one of the strongest solvers right now, I like her methods.
Cape90 - I don't feel bad about Cape. Opinion still forming.
falcon45ca - Pretty cool, but hasn't shone yet.
pyxxy - I do feel sketchy about pyxxy, I think there's some quasi-claim that is too amorphous to trust
sig - Ah, I don't know. Maybe sig should be higher.
DrWilgy - I trust Wilgy less than those above, I don't know that he's done anything to try to advance the game, but I do know that Town Wilgy is obliquely awesome and this ain't it.
nutella - Some of the accusatory stuff rings true, and she's edgy in some of her posts
sprityo - I'm still deciding if I believe his claim, but leaning to 'not'.
DarlingMonroe - Shining Town star, I tried to nominate her Town performance for a Socky, but the tickets sold out faster than Taylor Swift.and shortly after this, was your iso of my slot, which looked to be the largest contribution in isolation this game
Then you fall to the nutella vote only after the 'shenanigans' and nutella's wagon was course corrected.
I'm sure there's an air of OMGUS here, but between the lack of direct Nutella interaction and your insight into my slot this feels like you were looking for another wagon.
Did you get some sort of results on Thunal? Or is your role not like that?
I just don't know if mafia would actually want to deflect off Nutella is the thing just because of Nutellas abilityDrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 17, 2025 1:43 pm LC you wolfing?
You gave this yesterday with me above nutella,then proceeded to vote me:Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:21 pm☆Princess Abigail☆ - her reads and logic feel like proper Town thinking when it's not shallow and breezy.
Scotty - I am vibing with Scotty this game, even before I was vibing with him.
S~V~S - In the good books right now, mostly based off Day 1 reactions.
Porscha - Probably vibey, I feel like I can remember feeling Townish about Porscha, but being silenced Day 2 and slightly disconnecting, I don't know why.
Thunal33 - General town vibe plus reasonable claim
Michelle - I think Michelle is being one of the strongest solvers right now, I like her methods.
Cape90 - I don't feel bad about Cape. Opinion still forming.
falcon45ca - Pretty cool, but hasn't shone yet.
pyxxy - I do feel sketchy about pyxxy, I think there's some quasi-claim that is too amorphous to trust
sig - Ah, I don't know. Maybe sig should be higher.
DrWilgy - I trust Wilgy less than those above, I don't know that he's done anything to try to advance the game, but I do know that Town Wilgy is obliquely awesome and this ain't it.
nutella - Some of the accusatory stuff rings true, and she's edgy in some of her posts
sprityo - I'm still deciding if I believe his claim, but leaning to 'not'.
DarlingMonroe - Shining Town star, I tried to nominate her Town performance for a Socky, but the tickets sold out faster than Taylor Swift.and shortly after this, was your iso of my slot, which looked to be the largest contribution in isolation this game
Then you fall to the nutella vote only after the 'shenanigans' and nutella's wagon was course corrected.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 7:12 pm I feel like the thread is kind of blocked up, hopefully a nutella yeet will give us something more to go on for Night 3. Finding one Wolf can sometimes be the key!
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
I'm sure there's an air of OMGUS here, but between the lack of direct Nutella interaction and your insight into my slot this feels like you were looking for another wagon.
Not to mention that classic Mafia logic would have a teammate bussing at that point. Would or should the whole Wolf team bus nutella in that situation?
uhhhhh well you're right