The Syndicate

Well I need to vote and I voting nutella I feel like she is the one blending in while trying to call me out to take heat off herself.

Who almost sliced SLoonei? (not changeable votes)

Poll runs till Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:24 pm


Bass The Clever
0
No votes
FZ.
0
No votes
Black Rock
0
No votes
Bullzeye
0
No votes
Cobalt
0
No votes
Devin
0
No votes
DFaraday
0
No votes
Canucklehead
0
No votes
DREAM
0
No votes
Fingersplints
0
No votes
Golden
0
No votes
Gumshoe
0
No votes
Hedgeowl
0
No votes
Long Con
11
Cobalt (2), Metalmarsh89 (9), timmer (10), Neverwhere (11), Scotty (12), nijuukyugou (16), G-Man (17), nutella (18), FZ. (19), Sloonei (21), Hedgeowl (22) 48%
MetalMarsh89
0
No votes
Epignosis 2.0
1
Golden (5) 4%
Neverwhere
0
No votes
nijuukyugou
0
No votes
Nutella
1
Bass_the_Clever (23) 4%
Scotty
0
No votes
Sloonei
0
No votes
Timmer
0
No votes
TinyBubbles
0
No votes
Turnip Head
0
No votes
G Man
6
Long Con (3), Epignosis (8), Black Rock (13), DFaraday (14), fingersplints (15), TinyBubbles (20) 26%
it was alex or something idk
4
Dom (1), S~V~S (4), juliets (6), MovingPictures07 (7) 17%
Total votes : 23

Dom is not feeling well. Dom is exhauted. Dom would love to be more creative, but Dom threw up and wants to sleep. This is why Dom should consider having a co-host.


Long Con has been lynched. He was Frank Wildhorn.
It is now Night 4. You have 24 hours to get your PMs in.

One of each team down. Well done!

Are you happy now?

Bada-bing.

Epignosis wrote:Bada-bing.

How's that LC-sig teammate theory working out for you? :P

Holy shit. That went...better than expected!

G-Man wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Bada-bing.

How's that LC-sig teammate theory working out for you? :P

They're both dead.

I'm more interested in finding out which team you're on, killer.

I like LM but don't hate MS. I have to vote based on the directions though.

Scotty wrote:1- I just never got Miss Saigon. I don't know why it was ever made into a musical.
2- I'm sorry to hear that, Dom! Feel better brotha. Maybe its all that lighter fluid in your diet?

You voted for the play the was more annoying.

I had actually changed my view and begun to suspect he was on mafia team 2 the way that today went down. It occurred to me that the biggest reason he was frustrated with me was probably that I was right for the wrong reasons - there are fewer more frustrating things you can encounter as a baddie.

I have lots to say now! So lets start with these...

1) The doctor has remarkable instincts. Well done saving Sloonei. You are doing great work, whoever you are.

2) Wildhorn/LC may have successfully corrupted someone (could be what the hoods were about). But there is no reason to believe it was sloonei. Sloonei was, after all, targetted for death my mafia 1, not wildhorn's mafia, and there is no reason to assume the two things are related.

3) My vote for epi was not because any of my opinions changed, although I was quite interested to see who would have things to say about it. FZ and hedgeowl delivered on that front. I will say, though, that my vote for epi has changed my perceptions slightly about cobalt and MM going after LC. There may be more to it than meets the eye.

4) Well done on lynching LC everyone. I was really hoping things would go that way because it meant I could come back to no feud, which is frankly better for everyone. But I'm still thinking G-Man is on mafia 1 and that will be the way to go tomorrow.

Dom wrote:

Act One, Scene Four cont'd

Dom is not feeling well. Dom is exhauted. Dom would love to be more creative, but Dom threw up and wants to sleep. This is why Dom should consider having a co-host.


Long Con has been lynched. He was Frank Wildhorn.
It is now Night 4. You have 24 hours to get your PMs in.

I bet llama would be willing to give you a hand if you need it! Get better, Dom!

I voted Les Mis because I love it.

Golden wrote:I voted Les Mis because I love it.

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:I voted Les Mis because I love it.

I voted Miss Saigon because I love Les Mis.

At this point I'm also beginning to think once again that there could be some validity to the bubbles/LC theory.

And it's nice to know that if LC did not corrupt anyone yet, he certainly won't be now. Also, I note his role description (as translated from the book) gives us no reason to understand his survival in day two's lynch. Unless, of course.... Cobalt was lying about the whole thing!? Or potentially one of Wildhorn's teammates can stop a lynch, of course.

G-Man wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Bada-bing.

How's that LC-sig teammate theory working out for you? :P

lol, i totally fell ass backwards into this one. that was the entire basis of my suspicion.

Golden wrote:At this point I'm also beginning to think once again that there could be some validity to the bubbles/LC theory.

And it's nice to know that if LC did not corrupt anyone yet, he certainly won't be now. Also, I note his role description (as translated from the book) gives us no reason to understand his survival in day two's lynch. Unless, of course.... Cobalt was lying about the whole thing!? Or potentially one of Wildhorn's teammates can stop a lynch, of course.

the beautiful thing about this is that we've now got members from both scum teams whose posts we fan dig through for clues.

My suspicion was primarily that I don't believe LC would have come after me in the particular way he did if he were civilian.

LC may feel differently about that, but I really don't believe he would have. It's like I was saying at the time - I didn't believe there was any miscommunication, just a willful choice to make it appear that we were talking at cross purposes to do what he could to take the target off himself. And for that I say well played.

BUT - thats not to say LC didn't genuinely think I was on mafia 1. In hindsight, I think he probably did. He's wrong, though, and hopefully a G-Man lynch might go to prove it.

@sloonei - not only do we have a lot to go on on that front - we are potentially in a good position to start seeing people as more likely to be town. When everyone is baddie hunting in a two mafia game, thats a hard thing to achieve until you've caught someone from each team.

FZ. wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:MM, I'm not really sure I get why you feel so strongly about LC, so an explanation would be great.

What is your perception of it?

I'm thinking you have something from night information. But too many people are pushing strong for him and they can't all have night information. Remember your information on Timmer from the Flash? Didn't end well. I just want to make sure I know what I'm doing if I vote for him. Do you agree that he's not acting the same as he did in the Flash?

I will vehemently deny this. I have no such role ability.

My "information" on timmer in Flash Mafia was indirect, and also made based on an inaccurate role description. Based on the knowledge we had of Captain Cold's role, I had every reason to believe I was right.

Awesome result, bih wildhorn!!

Golden wrote:At this point I'm also beginning to think once again that there could be some validity to the bubbles/LC theory.

This

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Well I need to vote and I voting nutella I feel like she is the one blending in while trying to call me out to take heat off herself.

lol what? There hasn't been like any heat on me besides FZ and the singer. Either you are really out of touch with the thread or you are really trying to defend yourself by making up BS like this.



I've never seen either of the musicals in the poll, but Les Mis seems pretty good from what I've heard, and I don't really know anything about Miss Saigon but it sounds like it's probably annoying.

DFaraday wrote:G-Man seems to have no interest in defending himself, and it reads like a defeated baddie to me (or at best an unhelpful civvie). Speaking of unhelpful civvie, that's how I'm looking at MM. If he were bad I don't think he'd have such tunnel vision; this is definitely a departure in style for him. I'm still not convinced about LC being bad, either, so MM's sureness seems misplaced.

I will go ahead and *vote G-Man*

I suppose being dubbed an unhelpful civvie is better than being suspected.

Still, I hope you're not using that as an excuse for not reading my posts.

Linki: Same here. Get well soon Master Dom.

fingersplints wrote:I voted and then saw this post.

Epignosis wrote:However this goes, I would advise against ending the Day in a tie.

I just made it a tie

Do whatever the hell you want.

Why does Epignosis have to determine your vote behavior. Is he a civilian?

@MM - maybe possibly because he was into the woods in his first incarnation? Just a possibility... not a guarantee, but something I think was worth thinking about. Even if epi himself was not that role, given that we know when that role is dead ties end in no lynch, there are very good reasons to avoid them. I think people who try to create ties definitely deserve suspicion in this game.

You don't have to do what epi says, but I do recommend that no matter who statements like that come from it's worth thinking about why people say them.

@G-Man - I wasn't happy until you insanified the dark tower, and then I was happy.

Btw, anyone else think that this...

G-Man wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Bada-bing.

How's that LC-sig teammate theory working out for you? :P

Sounds like a man who was ready to gloat about everyone being wrong that LC was on his team?

Golden wrote:@MM - maybe possibly because he was into the woods in his first incarnation? Just a possibility... not a guarantee, but something I think was worth thinking about. Even if epi himself was not that role, given that we know when that role is dead ties end in no lynch, there are very good reasons to avoid them. I think people who try to create ties definitely deserve suspicion in this game.

You don't have to do what epi says, but I do recommend that no matter who statements like that come from it's worth thinking about why people say them.

I think I may have come across as a bit cynical in that post. Oops.

It was fingersplints's immediate acceptance of what Epignosis said, not what Epignosis said.

I actually initially read that post from splints as not giving a damn what epi had to say lol, but I was hoping the vote would turn around and head back LC's way.

Sloonei wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Bada-bing.

How's that LC-sig teammate theory working out for you? :P

lol, i totally fell ass backwards into this one. that was the entire basis of my suspicion.

I suppose things could be worse.

I remember TinyBubbles mentioning a suspicion of Long Con earlier. What do you think about her vote for G-Man?

Linki: That's not how I read it, but maybe I misread it. If so, sorry fingersplints.

Wow, Skeptical me is always surprised when we actually lynch a baddie. LC I will say you put up an admiral defense and points to you for surviving for so long under Day 0? 1? suspicion.

Voting Miss Saigon as well.

ugh, Dom the worst feeling. Hope you recover quickly. We have plenty to talk about until then.

A quick look at some TinyBubbles posts from the last 2 days or so.



On Day 2, TinyBubbles votes for Long Con, due to a slight suspicion, and to save Cobalt.
Day 3, Tiny asks what is bad about G-Man. Golden responds with an answer here. TinyBubbles does not respond to this, but she does ask if Golden's avatar is Matt Stone.
Tiny says she is open to the idea of Long Con being mafia.
Tiny announces a suspicion of G-Man, and readdresses her suspicion of Long Con. She says she would be reluctant to vote for G-Man.
Tiny places her vote on G-Man.


Thoughts?

I think it is definitely ambiguous enough that you could read it either way.

Also @LC - apologies if I pissed you off in our feud. I hope you know there was nothing personal intended.

Hedgeowl wrote:Wow, Skeptical me is always surprised when we actually lynch a baddie. LC I will say you put up an admiral defense and points to you for surviving for so long under Day 0? 1? suspicion.

Voting Miss Saigon as well.

ugh, Dom the worst feeling. Hope you recover quickly. We have plenty to talk about until then.

Hell yeah RE: LC. Dude was under attack for no real reason from the moment we started but still managed to last 4 days. That's impressive.

@mm - good analysis.

I'd still probably sooner vote G-Man tomorrow, but I think the evidence is mounting up that LC/bubbles could be a thing.

Sloonei wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Wow, Skeptical me is always surprised when we actually lynch a baddie. LC I will say you put up an admiral defense and points to you for surviving for so long under Day 0? 1? suspicion.

Voting Miss Saigon as well.

ugh, Dom the worst feeling. Hope you recover quickly. We have plenty to talk about until then.

Hell yeah RE: LC. Dude was under attack for no real reason from the moment we started but still managed to last 4 days. That's impressive.

I voted him Day 1 and called him bad. I don't know how many others did the same, but my statement was uninformed, as I was out camping at the time, and I posted/voted without actually reading.

The posts I brought up about TinyBubbles just now make me less convinced about her being a teammate of Long Con. As I said, Long Con offered a good defense the moment I brought the idea forward. Anyway, I felt far more strongly about it on Day 2 than I do now.

MM - why do they make you less convinced? When I read through them, it's like she offers suspicion of LC, but when crunch time comes she votes to save him...

Golden wrote:MM - why do they make you less convinced? When I read through them, it's like she offers suspicion of LC, but when crunch time comes she votes to save him...

I don't know. Maybe I should sleep on it. On paper, I agree it looks suspicious.

But my heart speaks differently. I painted the picture in as unbiased a light as I could so I could see what people think (if anyone else responds). She doesn't feel like a baddie to me. And it's not the constant claims of "I'm not bad", "I'm civ", etc. I can't put my finger on it though.

I agree she doesn't feel/sound like one. It's why I had been defending her and backing off the LC.bubbles theory. But that vote, coupled with LC coming back as mafia 2, have made me rethink.

Anyway, as I said, I'm definitely for G-Man first, because I'm much more confident in that direction. What do you think about my post about him, above?

(PS - its night 4 and we are both still here )

Golden wrote:@G-Man - I wasn't happy until you insanified the dark tower, and then I was happy.

Btw, anyone else think that this...

G-Man wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Bada-bing.

How's that LC-sig teammate theory working out for you? :P

Sounds like a man who was ready to gloat about everyone being wrong that LC was on his team?

This? Well I know we accused a player of doing this late in David Bowie Mafia on RYM, and said player (who like G-Man was a popular lynch option at the time) ended up being a civilian. So I don't know if this sort of thing is addressable, or even needs addressing considering what you have already cased him on.

Still, I've stated my thoughts on your GamerGuy case already, but that doesn't make it uncredible. The points are still well-placed.

Golden wrote:(PS - its night 4 and we are both still here )

Yes we are!!!

Please don't die on me tonight.

Dom wrote:Thanks for the well-wishes, guys. I'm going to watch some OITNB.

This season is really good! Almost caught up, watching with a friend. (Jesus christ episode 10 was so intense though. )


People I am most suspicious of/willing to lynch, roughly in order from most to least:
G-Man
Bass
TinyBubbles
Cobalt
TH

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Golden wrote:(PS - its night 4 and we are both still here )

Yes we are!!!

Please don't die on me tonight.

I wouldn't want to place a bet on it, but I'm hoping that trying to kill me tonight would be considered double targetting (two consecutive mafia 2 kills).

Golden wrote:MM - why do they make you less convinced? When I read through them, it's like she offers suspicion of LC, but when crunch time comes she votes to save him...

i didnt vote to save him, my vote wouldve made no difference long con already have 9 posts by that time and gman only had 5 (iirc). i voted gman cause he seemed the scummier of the two , he has basically a total lack of civ sounding posts, and i was put off by so many votes on long con, seemed scapegoaty..but im glad he turned out to be mafia, seems the majority's instincts are better than i give them credit for lol. and if i was long con's team mate i wouldve voted with them, he was a sinking ship and it wouldve made me less conspicuous

would love to get some more posts by gman now that he's no longer insanified and still a top suspect.he's probably gonna go next if nothing else changes

Dom hope you feel better soon

Dom wrote:

Act One, Scene Four cont'd

Dom is not feeling well. Dom is exhauted. Dom would love to be more creative, but Dom threw up and wants to sleep. This is why Dom should consider having a co-host.


Long Con has been lynched. He was Frank Wildhorn.
It is now Night 4. You have 24 hours to get your PMs in.

Great job! I still want to lynch Gman as well. I also want to review the thread when I'm not phoning it. I feel at least one of Gmans teammates would have kept the lynch focused LCS way hoping he would flip bad and they wouldn't lose Gman.

Bass, I'm glad to see you hanging out. Where did you go? Can you find TH?

btw BR - you nailed it about LC not being responsible for epi.

(He just tried to kill me )

Golden wrote:

Scotty wrote:Yeah, I have the whole thing solved except for one or two words. And those one or two words hint at how that baddie can corrupt. Grrr I'll keep giving it thought...

I think I have the bit you are referring to, I'm only missing the first sentence. I don't think it gives us much about 'how' - even solved, the words seem intentionally vague.

I'm wondering what the unclear words are people are referring to, and if they are the words I found hardest to solve. The word before the brackets took me a while, but when I solved it I realised it was flavour text.

I wanna speculate on this again. I asked Dom if it was ok, and again, as long as it doesn't copy and paste word for word what you find, it will count as "speculation". So like, I know that:
-Wildhorn's team kills on even nights (tonight).
-He [could have] corrupted one of Merrily, Primrose, or Whistle.

Here's what I'm unclear on still Golden. When he selects someone at night, he does [something]. I'm still missing those few words, and even though it's probably vague, it might help in figuring this thing out.

If we can nip this in the bud whether or not someone already has been corrupted, then this PM can be null and void.