OK. Back at home. Collected myself. Getting back into things. Trying to reorganize my thoughts after everything was deleted earlier
Let's start with some ground rules: No hair pulling, no biting, no spitting.
This Day 2 has been as heated as a chicken coop in July. Fried chicken gives me stomach cramps.
My main focus, like I've been saying, has been around the bigger posters with the biggest egos, and from there, seeing how they peter/fall out in discussions after a time. Then I plan to trickle down from there. Because if I were a recruiter, would I want to be big and civ sounding all the time? No. I would want to pose certain isolated theories that sound plausible, respond to criticism, and if anyone bites, great. If no one does, reel the line back in, put on new bait, rinse and repeat. IF you're talking all the time and getting lots of flak and heat for it, there's 2 ways to go about it before it turns to WIFOM: 1) As a recruiter, I want to steer clear of that person for fear of him losing faith with the majority or 2) I might want to recruit based on the fact that people will be thinking that such a loud-mouth talkative tina could not be on a team. I'd like to think a skilled recruiter could pull off the latter, but I'm edging towards believing in the first option.
I have not made a spreadsheet cataloguing everyone's whims and votes yet, so for now I'm cherry picking things that stand out. I'm playing this weird game of chutes and ladders as it pertains to content of people's posts, and I will admit that I have been skimming quite a bit the past day to catch up, but several clashes stick out to me:
Golden v reywaS:
Golden killed Epi. Or reywaS killed Epi, and used Golden as a scapegoat (as per Turnip Head)
My take: Both seem very plausible. Golden is to verbose defense as pillows are to beds. You can sleep on a bed without a pillow, but it's much more comfortable to do so with one. In Golden's case, he is a classic chatty cathy. He wants to make sure his voice is heard and that he gets every point across, to the point of exhaustion. That's just who he is. But in the process, and by defending himself against everything thrown his way, he can be digging himself an even bigger hole. It's very interesting to watch, and I look forward to the narrated Discovery Channel special on this phenomenon.
reywaS on the other hand would know that Golden has a very strong urge to talk, and could have anticipated such, killing Epi and pointing his smelly finger at Golden in the process. This actually would make more sense given the extent that Golden has gone to defend himself, and the blunt, manipulative hostility of a good amount of reywaS' posts towards this topic. reywaS has been on Golden's ass from Day 1, and hasn't let up at all. Out of reywaS' 124 posts, I'd reckon 60% of them are about Golden (I'm guesstimating). I would expect it very easy and safe to tunnel into one person for a time, since it
does look like he's doing work/ restocking the shelves, running the cash register, and talking with the customers/ instead of making the minimum-wage employee do it for the price of a sandwich. But I digress.
Now Roxy brought this up yesterday, and received a vague and blah answer from him on the level of "just satisfactory". I would assume he would do the same to me, but I'm gonna reiterate some posts of his.
There's this:
reywaS wrote:Golden doesn't seem genuine to me. I'm voting for him.
(Day 1)
His read on Golden at the beginning of Day 2?
reywaS wrote:As for the "might could be" post. I heard that phrase on The Wire, and I like using it whenever I can. lol. I was NOT (obviously) saying that Golden is bad. If I was saying, in that post, that Golden WAS bad, I would have said something more along the lines of "Golden is bad". "Might could be" meaning that I'm not ruling it out.
So he doesn't see Golden as "bad" but more "disingenuous". That's fair. I actually read reywaS as neutral at this point in the timeline.
I also do not think Golden killed Epi, even after Golden announced this post:
Golden wrote:I can't really do much if anyone thinks the move was distasteful. Honestly, if you have a problem with me because I did it, and you want to vote for me for that reason, I'll understand.
I'm trying to play this game in the spirit of the game, which is to say, it is not a game that is civ vs baddies and I'm trying to play it for what it is.
I do not think epi being alive was in my best interests.
There is only so many times I can say this. If people are upset with me for it then I will take my punishment on the chin, be it a lynch or whatever. I've tried something out, obviously there are some people who are upset. It's like I said to JJ yesterday. From my end, there is no spite or malice intended. Epi has his methods and they are what they are, but in the past when I've been on the end of them I've come out worse off (admittedly in Death and Taxes it allowed me to sub back in and win, but golden 1.0 was worse off). I do think epi being alive was bad for my game, and I specifically wanted to show that in the absence of having a kill there are ways of fighting back. Epi said the feud needed to end and I agreed, so I set out to achieve that. There was no guarantee I would, but it is what I set out to do.
I also do think epi understands a game is a game and knows it isn't personal, but if epi needs an apology I'll freely give it. Epi is the kind of person I feel like, if we played Survivor together, when one of us made the move that beat the other we would turn around and say well played, and hold no grudges. I wouldn't do it to anyone that I didn't think would understand.
: SportsCenter highlights of a semantics contest. SVS has nitpicked pieces of Golden's arguments over the course of the game as a telling sign of "non-civ" behavior. Golden has straight up defended her to the nose, and some would say beyond what would be deemed satisfactory.
My take: I feel like I have to look at someone's tone as a whole--find the theme of their journey-- to gauge their alignment right now in Day 2. There's not a lot of stats to garner info from. The ONLY person we know the alignment of (besides the general clan) is Bass. And we know we are down 2 sorcerers. That's it.
It's getting late and I tend not to post too many thorough reads all at once because I get brain-tied. So for now, I want to localize a few more people on my radar:
JJJ- I need to reread his posts, but several made me cough up my baby formula. (and I know you will ask about which ones, so give me a day and I'll wrangle them up)
SVS - some posts seem like she'll talk a big game over someone, and then she'll fade into the darkness.
(I wouldn't be surprised if JJJ and SVS are on the same recruiting team)
MetalMarsh - I get it, MM. You want people to think you're the Raven Messenger. What do you think the other secret positions indicate in that role's power, hmmm? Why trust a disembodied voice to vote for DH? We don't even know what the truth of the matter is, or how much that role knows.
G-Man - he seems just posty enough that wouldn't raise any flags, and is in just the right place to either be recruited or do the recruiting. I'd err on the side of recruitee. Voting can't make up his mind, and yet isn't pushing too many buttons. Also at some point voted blindly for TH based on the Raven's message.
DrWilgy -
Super sweet to the ladies, and I hear buys people shots at bars. My good friend Matt used to do that, and now he's broke and living with his parents. Don't end up like Matt.
TurnipHead- The basis of the Raven message.
In order, the last 20 minutes of his posts tonight before the deadline:
Turnip Head wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:Turnip Head, what are your thoughts?
I was thinking Bass was bad
but his last few posts feel genuine to me. Not really feeling a Golden vote either. Idk.
Turnip Head wrote:Reading Rey's last few posts directed at Golden, I'm wondering if Rey is on the team that killed Epi.
Assuming Golden himself didn't do it.
10 minutes later:
Turnip Head wrote:I voted for Bass.
Turnip Head wrote:reywaS wrote:Facts: Golden expressed sincere desire to see Epignosis killed. Epignosis is killed on night 1 by Azura.
How Golden and his new cheerleader MovingPictures come off to me:
"Hey, guys, look I know that I/Golden am/is responsible for Azura (A confirmed baddie) killing Epignosis when literally the only person going after Epig was Golden, but he's getting a bad rap and I think everyone just needs to trust the guy. I promise he's not bad. You're crazy for going after him. Actually, you read as bad to me because you aren't giving Golden a free pass."
It's insanity. lol
I think you did it.
You just said you didn't know who to vote for, and actually also said that you couldn't decide between Bass or Golden. Just an hour before that he said:
Turnip Head wrote:S~V~S wrote:I never said he is playing like a baddie. I said he is not playing like civ-centric Golden. What if he decides I am incompatible with him? Or you? I am flabbergasted that anyone is actually defending this.
I believe that he killed Epi and is going for the WIFOM. And if Bass does not flip bad, I will wonder about the hard push for him at this point.
I agree he's not playing a civ-centric game, but I don't think he's playing a baddie game either. So in my mind that leaves neutral :P
He hasn't gone for the WIFOM though. He's playing the "I baited the NK" card, not the WIFOM card. I don't know... that would be ballsy as fuck if he killed Epi. And his attitude towards the whole thing has been truly bizarre. If he had the NK, I think Golden would have shut up a long time ago.
You're literally all over the place on your reads, and don't back them up. What's up with that, bro?
Aight, I'm out for the night. Hope to be more talkative over the next week at least!
