The Syndicate

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 2:40 pm**

Matt wrote:Sucks Dom's off the poll today. Hrm.

On Day 4, Dom addresses Sorsha for the first time (also the first time he makes any mention of her at all) with the following...

Dom wrote:
Sorsha wrote:Well I'm here... The Mafia gods sent someone to pound on my front door so I wouldn't miss the vote.

Wilgy is bad?
Your team?
Dom never follows up on this, just a fun little poke at her I guess. Anywho...

On Day 5, Dom's second post about Sorsha (the first post, if you recall right up there, he questions Sorsha if her team got her to come vote), Dom seems to discredit Nero's suss on Sorsha because it's his "first post on Sorsha" (lol) and wants to know why Nero dropped suss of sig and Lorab...but you can read it I guess in it's entirety...

Dom wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Yuck, people are voting for me.

Im getting suspicious of Sorsha. She is wallflowering and it doesn´t look good. Matt is also being weird - Im leaning scum on these two.

Tbh I find it weird that Wilgy listed me. I don´t have BTSC with anyone of any alignment. I think it was more of a scum read from him, and not an indicator of how his role worked out.
This is your first post about Sorsha. Why did you drop sig and LoRab?
On Day 6, Dom's third post about Sorsha in the entire game...

Dom wrote:
Scotty wrote:Dom, would you vote for Sorsha?
Tomorrow I might.
So like, first post he seems to mildy suspect Sorsha based on his question to her, or it was just a joke? Not sure.

Second post, it seems like he's discrediting Nero's suss of Sorsha because it's his "first post" on her. But then again, that's how I see it, how does everyone else interpret Dom's second post about Sorsha in the game?

Third post, he says "tomorrow I might [VOTE: ". Haha. Why Dom, that was literally your third post on Sorsha, the first of which you sussed her and the second of which you seemed to try and discredit a suss on her.

Let's get Dom on Day 9.] aubergine

[VOTE:
"Dom talked about getting Sorsha in the future"

*Matt only discusses getting me in the future*

Cool.] aubergine

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 2:44 pm**

Dom, who are you planning to vote for?

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 2:45 pm**

Scotty, is there a reason you mentioned trusting MetalMarsh89 more? I noticed he voted for Lorab when Lorab was supposed to be lynched, but now is voting for me.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 3:15 pm**

Also, Scotty, you voted spacedaisy instead of Lorab Day 3. Why?

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 3:37 pm**

Epignosis wrote:Scotty, is there a reason you mentioned trusting MetalMarsh89 more? I noticed he voted for Lorab when Lorab was supposed to be lynched, but now is voting for me.

Here's a hypothetical. If you were blackmailed to vote a certain way, would you believe that the way you were told to vote is bad, or looks better for it?

Epignosis wrote:Also, Scotty, you voted spacedaisy instead of Lorab Day 3. Why?

I don't remember.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 3:49 pm**

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Scotty, is there a reason you mentioned trusting MetalMarsh89 more? I noticed he voted for Lorab when Lorab was supposed to be lynched, but now is voting for me.
Here's a hypothetical. If you were blackmailed to vote a certain way, would you believe that the way you were told to vote is bad, or looks better for it?

Epignosis wrote:Also, Scotty, you voted spacedaisy instead of Lorab Day 3. Why?
I don't remember.

It would depend. I've seen mafia members target one another with their own abilities plenty of times for the purpose of looking better.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 3:51 pm**

I started reading through MM (again), but now it's time to go home. I will finish later.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 5:09 pm**

Scotty wrote:Dom, who are you planning to vote for?

Not a clue. Not epignosis.

Maybe you or ika or Lorab.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 5:14 pm**

Voted epi because self preservation. I don't necessarily think he's bad, but I know that I'm not bad, and therefore it's what I need to do.

I'd rather vote Scotty. Or possibly Ika--his posts are making me increasingly uncomfortable.

I'll try to stick around for the next couple of hours, but not sure I'll be able to be on much. I'm not bad. I have no idea how to convince anyone of that. But please don't vote for me.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 5:16 pm**

The Day phase ends tomorrow. I'm not completely sure my vote is going to stay where it is, and I think making turning this into a dilemma for the other voters (Epi or Lorab) is dangerous and premature. I intend to work things out as much as I can, and then encourage people to vote the person I think is bad.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 5:17 pm**

And no, I didn't proofread shit. I'm in a hurry.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 5:21 pm**

I moved my vote off Lorab. Lorab, you can move your vote elsewhere and I'll still have a one vote lead over you, if that makes you feel better.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 5:23 pm**

Epignosis wrote:The Day phase ends tomorrow. I'm not completely sure my vote is going to stay where it is, and I think making turning this into a dilemma for the other voters (Epi or Lorab) is dangerous and premature. I intend to work things out as much as I can, and then encourage people to vote the person I think is bad.

I'm laughing at myself for actually thinking that this was Wednesday when I looked at the poll. I'll move my vote off you.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 5:26 pm**

Note that I did a complete 180 turnaround from my night case against Epi, and not voting him.

MM, why are you voting Epi? You've given less on the matter than Phil the Groundhog cares about seeing his shadow every year.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 5:59 pm**

Scotty wrote:Note that I did a complete 180 turnaround from my night case against Epi, and not voting him.

MM, why are you voting Epi? You've given less on the matter than Phil the Groundhog cares about seeing his shadow every year.

Why is everyone calling me a groundhog lately? I'm not remotely a groundhog.

I think today's the day to vote for Epignosis. I found ika's case very convincing. I might switch before the day is over unless the lynch ends up being somewhat unanimous.

Why did you do a complete 180 on Epignosis last night? I find it suspicious that you no longer suspect him the day I decide to vote for him.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 6:05 pm**

Scotty wrote:Note that I did a complete 180 turnaround from my night case against Epi, and not voting him.

MM, why are you voting Epi? You've given less on the matter than Phil the Groundhog cares about seeing his shadow every year.

Excellent question, MM?

For me, this vote will come down to Matt, MM, and Scotty. LoRab hasn't given me enough to earn my vote yet (YET young lady!)

I have Dom in a role I feel pretty sure he belongs in, and I think Ika is a civvie.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 6:08 pm**

Epignosis wrote:The Day phase ends tomorrow. I'm not completely sure my vote is going to stay where it is, and I think making turning this into a dilemma for the other voters (Epi or Lorab) is dangerous and premature. I intend to work things out as much as I can, and then encourage people to vote the person I think is bad.

Also, Epignosis channeling his inner JaggedJimmyJay right here. Epignosis is obviously mafia.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 6:19 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Scotty wrote:Note that I did a complete 180 turnaround from my night case against Epi, and not voting him.

MM, why are you voting Epi? You've given less on the matter than Phil the Groundhog cares about seeing his shadow every year.
Why is everyone calling me a groundhog lately? I'm not remotely a groundhog.

I think today's the day to vote for Epignosis. I found ika's case very convincing. I might switch before the day is over unless the lynch ends up being somewhat unanimous.

Why did you do a complete 180 on Epignosis last night? I find it suspicious that you no longer suspect him the day I decide to vote for him.

I slowed the train down way before you voted Epi unannounced, so find that as suspicious as you want- you voting him has no bearing on my opinion.

That 5 separate people are very certain and vehement in backing up Epi's civ play (including Mrs Hughes) is the biggest thing. It could be they're all wrong about him, but I'm mired in self doubt.

I do remember that Dom may have left a breadcrumb as to his role, and I think this is the second time I forgot I assumed this.

Matt is someone who seemed very much confused during the Sorsha lynch EoD, but that could very well be a facade.

MM you have been sneaking by, so I wouldn't mind voting there. Maybe. Today's vote for me would optimally come down to those 2. Though I don't see convincing evidence for either, unfortunately.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 7:40 pm**

I moved my vote to Matt. I've been carrying an assumption about him, and my assumptions have all been shit.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 7:56 pm**

I haven't left any breadcrumbs.

Rob, why Matt?

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 7:59 pm**

Dom wrote:I haven't left any breadcrumbs.

Rob, why Matt?

I'm still stewing about who would be nuts enough to kill Long Con when he was on his way to the gallows the next Day.

There's no other reason but that.

Dom, if you think anybody else should be lynched, I'm all ears. There was no mafia lynched until I listened to Black Rock, and even then, I could have gummed up the works.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 8:19 pm**

What about Ika?

Ika has been suspicious since Day 1 and has avoided lynch after lynch.... what do you think?

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 8:22 pm**

Dom wrote:What about Ika?

Ika has been suspicious since Day 1 and has avoided lynch after lynch.... what do you think?

As much as I would love to lynch ika out of principle, I am hesitant. I think he genuinely does not give a toss.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 8:27 pm**

That might be true. But that's also why this discussion is important.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 8:29 pm**

Dom wrote:That might be true. But that's also why this discussion is important.

You're absolutely right. I think this lynch is critical. I do not think you are bad. I do not think Illyria is bad. I don't think ika is bad, though I do want to lynch him because he's being unhelpful.

That leaves Matt, MM, Lorab, and Scotty.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 10:33 pm**

Why did we back off of LoRab earlier?

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 10:55 pm**

Because I'm not bad.

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 11:28 pm**

LoRab, what do you think of the points about it being unlikely that Scotty is bad?

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 11:41 pm**

Dom wrote:LoRab, what do you think of the points about it being unlikely that Scotty is bad?

The one that has stuck out is that Wilgy implied he didn't have BTSC. But what if there was a redirect that effected his information? Or what if we're misinterpreting his posts? And yes, I realize the same could be said for his posts about me--but I think there are other reasons to see that I'm not bad.

Are there other reasons why it's unlikely he's bad, though, that I'm missing (or not remembering right now)?

Posted: **Tue May 03, 2016 11:51 pm**

What are the reasons you're not bad?

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 12:09 am**

Dom wrote:What are the reasons you're not bad?

Read any of my defense posts, in which I talk about points that have been made that others have found suspicious.

And, I'm not bad because the role I was sent isn't a bad role.

But, really, because I've been doing my best to help the civies. I haven't jumped on a number of the lynch trains that have formed. I did have a lynch train formed against me--which at least 1 civie thought was BS based on the fact that I was saved. And I'll make that 2 civies that thought it was BS because of Wilgy (even though no role is infallible, as I point out above).

Also, and I know this is WIFOM, but look at the kills. Do those really look like choices that I would advocate? Even knowing that any 1 baddie only has so much of a voice on a team, I don't think any of the choices are ones with which I would remotely agree to.

And I also know that the baddies probably know my role by now and would be quite happy to lynch me. So, the fact that people keep mentioning my name for amorphous reasons--some of those folks have to be bad and are trying to keep things in that direction.

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 12:24 am**

Why would the baddies know your role by now?

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 2:35 am**

Not sure how to answer that without info dumping. But it's an assumption I'm making based on my own knowledge.

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 9:16 am**

LoRab wrote:Not sure how to answer that without info dumping. But it's an assumption I'm making based on my own knowledge.

Then why wouldn't the mafia just kill you?

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 11:03 am**

LoRab wrote:
Dom wrote:What are the reasons you're not bad?
Read any of my defense posts, in which I talk about points that have been made that others have found suspicious.

And, I'm not bad because the role I was sent isn't a bad role.

But, really, because I've been doing my best to help the civies. I haven't jumped on a number of the lynch trains that have formed. I did have a lynch train formed against me--which at least 1 civie thought was BS based on the fact that I was saved. And I'll make that 2 civies that thought it was BS because of Wilgy (even though no role is infallible, as I point out above).

The problem with this argument, is this is exactly what Sorsha did too. She voted off of several bandwagons, and she had Matt defending against her lynch, though I guess in this case I don't think he is a civilian.

Speaking of redirects, what if the mafia got a hold of a lynch switch the day you were supposed to be lynched. You said we can't be sure about Scotty because of the potential for redirects, but we also can't be sure that a civilian switched the lynch from you.

LoRab wrote:Also, and I know this is WIFOM, but look at the kills. Do those really look like choices that I would advocate? Even knowing that any 1 baddie only has so much of a voice on a team, I don't think any of the choices are ones with which I would remotely agree to.

And I also know that the baddies probably know my role by now and would be quite happy to lynch me. So, the fact that people keep mentioning my name for amorphous reasons--some of those folks have to be bad and are trying to keep things in that direction.

Yeah that's WIFOM. :P

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 11:08 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Dom wrote:What are the reasons you're not bad?
Read any of my defense posts, in which I talk about points that have been made that others have found suspicious.

And, I'm not bad because the role I was sent isn't a bad role.

But, really, because I've been doing my best to help the civies. I haven't jumped on a number of the lynch trains that have formed. I did have a lynch train formed against me--which at least 1 civie thought was BS based on the fact that I was saved. And I'll make that 2 civies that thought it was BS because of Wilgy (even though no role is infallible, as I point out above).
The problem with this argument, is this is exactly what Sorsha did too. She voted off of several bandwagons, and she had Matt defending against her lynch, though I guess in this case I don't think he is a civilian.

Speaking of redirects, what if the mafia got a hold of a lynch switch the day you were supposed to be lynched. You said we can't be sure about Scotty because of the potential for redirects, but we also can't be sure that a civilian switched the lynch from you.

LoRab wrote:Also, and I know this is WIFOM, but look at the kills. Do those really look like choices that I would advocate? Even knowing that any 1 baddie only has so much of a voice on a team, I don't think any of the choices are ones with which I would remotely agree to.

And I also know that the baddies probably know my role by now and would be quite happy to lynch me. So, the fact that people keep mentioning my name for amorphous reasons--some of those folks have to be bad and are trying to keep things in that direction.
Yeah that's WIFOM. :P

So you've been voting for Epi thid phase and yet also suspect Matt is bad and now also suspect LoRab? There's only 2 bad guys you know

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 11:29 am**

How many suspects do you have Scotty?

Even if there was only one mafia left, I don't think I would have only one suspect. If I did, that means I would be able to effectively rule out every single other player as mafia.

That's not how I feel here.

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 11:33 am**

But here, I'll post a special rainbow list for today.

Dom
Illyria
Scotty
Lorab
ika
Matt

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 11:56 am**

Epignosis wrote:
LoRab wrote:Not sure how to answer that without info dumping. But it's an assumption I'm making based on my own knowledge.
Then why wouldn't the mafia just kill you?

I don't konw what their nk priorities or strategy has been. But they seem to have been doing a great job controlling all of the lynches except for 1, so I'd argue that they're using lynches as kills.

Also possible that they see me as easier to lynch than their nk targets, since I've been mislynched on this site a lot and am easy to get a bandwagon going against on this site because I'm frequently misread as bad, so they figured they'd go with keeping me around for lynching.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Dom wrote:What are the reasons you're not bad?
Read any of my defense posts, in which I talk about points that have been made that others have found suspicious.

And, I'm not bad because the role I was sent isn't a bad role.

But, really, because I've been doing my best to help the civies. I haven't jumped on a number of the lynch trains that have formed. I did have a lynch train formed against me--which at least 1 civie thought was BS based on the fact that I was saved. And I'll make that 2 civies that thought it was BS because of Wilgy (even though no role is infallible, as I point out above).
The problem with this argument, is this is exactly what Sorsha did too. She voted off of several bandwagons, and she had Matt defending against her lynch, though I guess in this case I don't think he is a civilian.

Speaking of redirects, what if the mafia got a hold of a lynch switch the day you were supposed to be lynched. You said we can't be sure about Scotty because of the potential for redirects, but we also can't be sure that a civilian switched the lynch from you.

LoRab wrote:Also, and I know this is WIFOM, but look at the kills. Do those really look like choices that I would advocate? Even knowing that any 1 baddie only has so much of a voice on a team, I don't think any of the choices are ones with which I would remotely agree to.

And I also know that the baddies probably know my role by now and would be quite happy to lynch me. So, the fact that people keep mentioning my name for amorphous reasons--some of those folks have to be bad and are trying to keep things in that direction.
Yeah that's WIFOM. :P

The only thing that's been brought against me is my votes. I've explained all my votes. Without saying what I've said, I'm not sure how to defend. How would you have me defend?

I can't really help if what I'm saying is similar to a completely different player who was bad also happened to have been saying.

And, it's true, the mafia could have gotten a hold of and used a lynch switch in that lynch. I admit in my post that the possibility of shenanigans in anything exists. Please don't try to paint it as I'm saying that it proves anything about me. That said, the mafia switching the lynch wouldn't even necessarily mean that I'm bad.

And I know it can be read as WIFOM--that's why I pointed it out. But, the fact is, that sometimes, the wine in front of you is just wine.

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 11:57 am**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:But here, I'll post a special rainbow list for today.

Dom
Illyria
Scotty
Lorab
ika
Matt

Where's Epi on your list? Since your vote is on him, I'm going to assume he's a red, as well.

Why do you have Dom in green, what do you think of Dom not mentioning Sorsha until day 4, and when he does, his order goes "joke about Sorsha being on a team", "discredit Nero's suss of Sorsha", "suss Sorsha"...1 2 3.

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 12:07 pm**

I'm gonna WIFOM with Lorab and just go ahead and say...

If I were teamies with Sorsha, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to shout in the thread "LAAAAME DON'T LYNCH SORSHA LYNCH SOMEONE ELSE"...I'm too much of a scaredy cat.

MM, I admit I suuuuck at finding baddies, but you're on my level this game if you continue to waste your time looking at me. Sure, you have your vote on Epi, but I can't help but feel like you're going to change to me before the day ends. Don't.

I'm super conflicted on Epi. Llama sure was looking his way quite a bit, buuuuut, he also keeps getting taken off of that dang poll!

Llama also looked at and voted for Dom at one point, yes? For real, peeps, let's get Dom next day phase.

Anyway, not sure who to vote for. Haven't forgotten about Illy, but BR seemed pretty adamant that we leave her alone...she also said the same of Epi...hrmmmm.

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 12:11 pm**

Matt wrote:If I were teamies with Sorsha, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to shout in the thread "LAAAAME DON'T LYNCH SORSHA LYNCH SOMEONE ELSE"...I'm too much of a scaredy cat.

After the Game of Champions, I would never believe this line for a second, ever!

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 12:12 pm**

Matt wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:But here, I'll post a special rainbow list for today.

Dom
Illyria
Scotty
Lorab
ika
Matt
Where's Epi on your list? Since your vote is on him, I'm going to assume he's a red, as well.

Why do you have Dom in green, what do you think of Dom not mentioning Sorsha until day 4, and when he does, his order goes "joke about Sorsha being on a team", "discredit Nero's suss of Sorsha", "suss Sorsha"...1 2 3.

Oops, I can't believe I forgot to put him on there.

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 12:20 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Matt wrote:If I were teamies with Sorsha, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to shout in the thread "LAAAAME DON'T LYNCH SORSHA LYNCH SOMEONE ELSE"...I'm too much of a scaredy cat.
After the Game of Champions, I would never believe this line for a second, ever!

Quick story from GoC...

it was one of the many crazy lynches we went through, and motel room was on the chopping block, I had my vote on him. I think it was motel room with 6 votes, someone else with 4 votes, don't remember who.

We have, literally, like 10 minutes before the poll ends, and Wilgy's in chat like "Ummm hey Matt are you going to move your vote off Motel room or what?" And I'm like "naaaah man, sure I can move it and it'll end up a tie but I don't wanna risk it, I'm gettin' some civvie cred". Wilgy's like "ummm DUDE WE HAVE AN EXTRA SECRET VOTE THERE WON'T BE A TIE!!!" and even then, I was hesitant to move it but was convinced to do so.

For real, especially with Sorsha's non play this game, I would've bussed her ass to the moon if we were teamies.

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 12:21 pm**

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Matt wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:But here, I'll post a special rainbow list for today.

Dom
Illyria
Scotty
Lorab
ika
Matt
Where's Epi on your list? Since your vote is on him, I'm going to assume he's a red, as well.

Why do you have Dom in green, what do you think of Dom not mentioning Sorsha until day 4, and when he does, his order goes "joke about Sorsha being on a team", "discredit Nero's suss of Sorsha", "suss Sorsha"...1 2 3.
Oops, I can't believe I forgot to put him on there.

Soooo....?

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 12:24 pm**

What if Tom was blackmailed?

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 12:24 pm**

That "Sooooo....?" was asking you to elaborate on your green read of Dom and also where Epi is on your list.

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 12:27 pm**

Matt wrote:For real, especially with Sorsha's non play this game, I would've bussed her ass to the moon if we were teamies.

Re-reading this, this is not true.

Honestly, I can't say what I would've done in that situation unless I had actually lived it, re: being teamies with Sorsha.

I'd like to think I would've bussed her tho

Posted: **Wed May 04, 2016 12:31 pm**

Matt, did LC make you nervous?

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