The Syndicate

triceratopzeuhl wrote:
Timmer suggested JJJ was a civvie role with an info gathering ability. I don't see how this could possibly be the case.

Dom wrote:

triceratopzeuhl wrote:His only reason for suspecting either me or JJJ is that we are criticizing his baddie-like behavior

[arrested development, ron howard narrator voice]
it's not.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey BWT, are you able to produce some summarized/quick reads for me (whether rainbow or not)? I'm curious where your head is at right now.

Linki: Same question to Trice.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'd like to know where y'all stand on Marmot right now.

I am considering voting for him for today.

Other possibilities for a vote: Scotty, Lorab (but not as likely now that she's done more than just defend herself in every post)

Won't be getting my vote: You, Epignosis

Anyone else is somewhere in the middle.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Also, if Marmot was bad I'd expect him to be gleefully defending me right now for WIFOM's sake, because the easy mindset for people to adopt emerging from my Day 3 vote is that JJJ saved Marmot, they're team mates. He's not playing into that falsehood which suggests to me that he is truly trying to discern the truth of what I'm doing.

I'm lost in this point; talk to me more about this when you get the chance.

sig wrote:Rico isn't originally from TS right?

triceratopzeuhl wrote:How is it awful? It's 100% true, in the past day or two JJJ has only chosen to write about people who have first targeted him. Offer an alternative or rebuttal if you think it's not true.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

triceratopzeuhl wrote:Dom posting the same way I'm criticizing JJJ and epignosis for - deliberately misleading when not outright lies in their accusations. Wouldn't be surprised if all three are bad, civvies can and do play honest the way virtually everybody else has been

"lies"

I don't know your alignment. I'm trying to figure it out. That's why I put up that eight page dissertation on your posts yesterday. You didn't question my honesty then, when I concluded you look more civilian than not. You may not like every accusation hurled at you, but you're treating all of them in this broadly negative light as though there can be no genuine intentions. That's bunk.

No, what's bunk is you making 2 incredibly disingenuous accusations of me ("everybody knows you can't read vompatti but trice is suspicious for not trying to read vompatti" and "Trice's vote for A Person was suspicious even though I voted the exact same way later for the exact same reasons"). Nobody seriously trying to find baddies would use those arguments.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: But still, with how much posting has already occurred in this game, I'm not sure that argument stands. Epig has been correct about 3 out of 3 mislynches here so far.

No he hasn't, he voted to lynch DrWilgy. We don't whether he is right about boomslang's alignment (who we haven't lynched). He has been correct about 2 of them though, and I realize now he has been correct about JJJ consistently for several days now.



My thinking this game has started to be very clear, ironically it was JJJ being legitimately helpful that made it all click:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Vompatti being bad and killed Night 1 could be attributed to the Motherfucker = Redeemer role. Each odd night, one in that pair checks a living player. If the living player is mafia there's a 50% chance it'll kill that mafioso.

This fits too perfectly to not be the case. However, JJJ wouldn't be posting it if he was mafia, so he must be the serial killer. He killed Golden right after Golden switched from a moderate town read of him to posting suspicions. I believe JJJ's posting changed perceptibly at a point, and I wouldn't be surprised if it coincided with the activation of his night kill.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:Even if you lynch me today, remaining civvies can still easily win if they listen to me. I'm sort of resigned to the fact that I die every game I ever play (it's why all my victories are as mafia or indy, being alive isn't typically a win condition for them) and even if you don't lynch me, Dom or JJJ will nightkill me before the game is over.

triceratopzeuhl wrote: Another point that just occured to me:

Spoiler: show

Motherfucker = Redeemer (2) Do not begin the game by sharing BTSC, but can search for each other during each Night (in addition to their individual ability). Can win as a team, if they gain BTSC. Randomly, one player will be assigned to role check a living player every odd Night. If the checked player is Mafia, it will have a 50% chance to also kill him. The other player will be assigned to role check a dead player every even Night. If the checked victim is Civilian, it will have a 50% chance to resurrect him. Both the kill and the resurrect will be activated automatically and work only once, regardless of the outcome. M=R can continue, however, to role check accordingly afterwards. Their assigned roles can be affected by Storm, once they gain BTSC.

I was wondering why no civs have been resurrected yet, but thinking about it - night 1 nobody dead yet, night 2 powers blocked by Rockets Fall On Rocket Falls, night 3 I bet the half which was assigned dead players wasn't the same player who originally killed vomps, and they checked vomps

MovingPictures07 wrote:Trice still seems genuine to me. What am I missing?

timmer wrote:I'd like to ask this one more time, for the people catching up.

Both Epig and MM came out at the start of day under apparent curses. LoRab didn't post until quite a bit later, but also is apparently cursed. That's 3 curses in a single day.

Do you guys feel that all 3 are legit? If yes, why, considering this is a first, and seems excessive... and if not, which one do you think is lying?

I believe LoRab, because falsifying a curse hours after it is obvious there are already two of them would be a bizarre strategy and she wasn't under enough suspicion to warrant such a move, if she were bad.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Trice still seems genuine to me. What am I missing?

Are you completely caught up yet or not?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

triceratopzeuhl wrote:How is it awful? It's 100% true, in the past day or two JJJ has only chosen to write about people who have first targeted him. Offer an alternative or rebuttal if you think it's not true.

It isn't true in that you've incorrectly stated who I have suspected and also who suspects me (I don't suspect MP and I don't see LoRab suspecting me in those posts you linked -- she can clarify). It's also misrepresentative of the nature of my suspicions to reduce everything to pure "No U"/"OMGUS" when I have been very clear in stating what my grievances are about each of these people across multiple phases of the game. Frankly I don't give a damn about OMGUS anyway. I have voiced suspicion for the reasons I have stated and you haven't discussed those reasons. Instead you've warped them into that pile of links and said I have been "defending myself" too much.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: MP -- He was pretty chummy with Vompatti on multiple occasions. I don't know if that means anything, but it's an observation. I'll read MP based upon other content.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Trice still seems genuine to me. What am I missing?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh Ponderosa, it would be a shame if I were to join you so soon.

I cannot rest until the claws of evil are rendered hitherto inert.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:
Despite my beef with epignosis I've realized I MUST be wrong for one reason only:

Spoiler: show

LoRab wrote: Seeing a different nuanced Epi. Sans suspicion.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: I know you will change your mind in a heartbeat. My point is that your most recent read of him is good, and that you only voiced suspicion of him after he claimed you are not a civilian. I do agree that Epignosis has been taciturn on who to lynch this game, but there's still the matter that he has been accurate on his civ-reads, and I believe some of his reads have been well-placed.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Moderate Town:
Epignosis

Golden wrote:

Golden wrote:EPIGNOSIS

Moderate town

(I know there's even more examples but "epi" is too short to search the thread for)

I bet you ANYTHING at least one of these people has role-checked him, especially in a game where his playstyle is so cryptic.

I still think Dom is one of the baddies.

List of other people Golden voiced suspicions of within a day or two of his death: A Person, Dom, Lorab, MM, Sig
List of people Sloonei voiced suspicions of before getting silenced by Sleep: Lorab, Scotty, Dom, INH, DrWilgy

Dom and Lorab are the only names in common there

timmer wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh Ponderosa, it would be a shame if I were to join you so soon.

I cannot rest until the claws of evil are rendered hitherto inert.

See, this is the thing about MM. Everyone else finds ways to use quotes or what have you to get messages across, while cursed. MM is mostly just writing fluff, even within his requirement to write this fluff. He could be working to sway people, defend himself, but he isn't. He's goofing, just as he kind of goofed his way through the start of the game. I just don't see a civ, here.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
See, this is the thing about MM. Everyone else finds ways to use quotes or what have you to get messages across, while cursed. MM is mostly just writing fluff, even within his requirement to write this fluff. He could be working to sway people, defend himself, but he isn't. He's goofing, just as he kind of goofed his way through the start of the game. I just don't see a civ, here.

triceratopzeuhl wrote: List of other people Golden voiced suspicions of within a day or two of his death: A Person, Dom, Lorab, MM, Sig
List of people Sloonei voiced suspicions of before getting silenced by Sleep: Lorab, Scotty, Dom, INH, DrWilgy

triceratopzeuhl wrote: List of people dom has defended or said he thinks are good: Timmer, JJJ, Scotty, BWT, Boomslang, MP, epi

He also defended BWT from JJJ accusations, so you can cross the latter off that list (you can anyway since he's SK not mafia).

Of the above he also leveled accusations of varying degrees at BWT, boomslang and MP on different occasions



Cross referencing with the other two lists I posted, Dom, Lorab, and scotty are the only ones who appear more than once

triceratopzeuhl wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey BWT, are you able to produce some summarized/quick reads for me (whether rainbow or not)? I'm curious where your head is at right now.

Linki: Same question to Trice.

Confident civ: the late Golden, Sloonei, you, me

tentative/probably civ: epignosis, Timmer, MM, sig

Mafia 1: was vompatti
Mafia 2: Dom
Serial Killer: JJJ
Iffy shortlist for Mafia 3: Lorab, scotty, BWT, boomslang

(more info needed): ninja blooper

MovingPictures07 wrote:My head is fucking spinning right now. I don't know why I did this to myself. Anyone else want to throw some reads or a rainbow at me? I'll discuss them with you when I get caught up.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm not following the Moya stuff right now, but tbh I'm not that concerned with it. Someone can explain it to me later.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
My top suspects at the moment are trice, Scotty, and MM.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

timmer wrote:I'd like to ask this one more time, for the people catching up.

Both Epig and MM came out at the start of day under apparent curses. LoRab didn't post until quite a bit later, but also is apparently cursed. That's 3 curses in a single day.

Do you guys feel that all 3 are legit? If yes, why, considering this is a first, and seems excessive... and if not, which one do you think is lying?

I believe LoRab, because falsifying a curse hours after it is obvious there are already two of them would be a bizarre strategy and she wasn't under enough suspicion to warrant such a move, if she were bad.

I just got to the point when LoRab started her cursed posts. It seems legit to me.

I'd say MM is lying if anything. Epi's is legit too, just like JJJ's.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:To be fair, I think MM was conveying some kind of reads through his "funeral" talk -- town reading the people he invited and not the people he didn't. He can contest or confirm that.

triceratopzeuhl wrote:Who has JJJ suspected today?

Lorab, who posted suspicions of him (1, 2)