The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

My questions were not entirely about Quin. A 13 vote train is a plurality voting game is very surprising to me.

If I come on and see a 5+ vote train on someone who is not a high ranking suspect in my book, I don't vote for him. I don't vote when I'm not caught up unless my vote will be the deciding vote and I think I can save a townie, even with my limited understanding. I probably don't even vote in a 5+ ahead train for a player I do find suspicious cause what's the point?

So it's not just Quin's vote I don't understand. It's like 2/3rds of the votes.

Quin's not your top suspect. Eloh is. But I don't disagree with you on Eloh and in fact have further reasons to suspect her. I don't feel the need to nod my head.

Why am I focusing on Quin to the point where you think I'm misrepresenting? Cause I disagree with your assessment of his behavior Day 3 and you continually make posts that imply you don't know why you were lynched. "Baddies cooked my goose." Pff. I got you lynched. I laid out the argument. You haven't addressed it once, yet you keep saying the town sucks and scum killed you off. Makes it look like you're full of shit and just mad you got lynched as town. So if I'm wrong, tell me why you really got lynched. Or admit you don't know and stop talking about it.

As for Quin, he voted DDL when 13 of 20 votes were on you. You say if he was a real townie, he should have tried to sway the lynch away from you. That's literally impossible. If Quin was Jesus Christ himself and sent the mafia Holy Spirit into all the players and convinced them beyond a shadow of a doubt that you were town....you would have still been lynched.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:And when someone doesn't post for 5 days in a row, they don't get to call other people out for not waiting on them.

Take responsibility for your actions. As long as you're wearing that martyr hat, your reads will be twisted.

Elohcin wrote:Please point out where I said you were definitely bad, Dom.

Golden is acting strange this game. His tone, his attitude, etc is all off, imo. I would never think he would be one to come in, read the last 5 posts or so and comment on those but start reading from where he left off.

Dom is accusing me of doing the same thing when that is not what I do. I do not come in, read the last 5 most recent posts, and the comment. I start from where I left off and then post/comment before I have to go again. I can usually read everything and catch up. Sometimes, I cannot. Sometimes I have to post and then catch up more later and post again. This is NOT the same thing I referred to when talking to Goldren.

Dom seems a bit irrational since he has come back. He doesn't seem to be reading and understanding before flying off the handle.

Golden seems irrational too.

Dom and Golden are my top two suspects.

Epignosis wrote:Awesome. So everyone should just let me be the only person to vote each Day phase. Boom.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Awesome. So everyone should just let me be the only person to vote each Day phase. Boom.

Are you Esma?

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Awesome. So everyone should just let me be the only person to vote each Day phase. Boom.

Are you Esma?

*Checks role list*

I don't see that role.

sig wrote:Honestly I'm seeing the Epi/Quin thing as civ on civ. I think the mafia is lying low. I'll have more thoughts tomorrow who knows maybe the doctor will give me something to go on.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Awesome. So everyone should just let me be the only person to vote each Day phase. Boom.

Are you Esma?

*Checks role list*

I don't see that role.

It's ok, you can tell us. The lie-detector is dead.

sig wrote:If anything he's Olaf.



But, that's my paranoia speaking, and I won't lynch on it until later.

sig wrote:@Dom be a dear and when you get the chance tell me what you think of MM, Zebra, Wilgy, and Eloh?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Awesome. So everyone should just let me be the only person to vote each Day phase. Boom.

Are you Esma?

*Checks role list*

I don't see that role.

It's ok, you can tell us. The lie-detector is dead.

Elohcin wrote:Golden is acting strange this game. His tone, his attitude, etc is all off, imo. I would never think he would be one to come in, read the last 5 posts or so and comment on those but start reading from where he left off.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

sig wrote:@Dom be a dear and when you get the chance tell me what you think of MM, Zebra, Wilgy, and Eloh?

That's a mighty fine group of people right there.

Wilgy's dead, and I don't know if there's much live content to work with there.

I'd lynch zebra over Elohcin. Zebra got off to an active start this game, but has cooled off.



What do you think about these four sig?

sig wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

sig wrote:@Dom be a dear and when you get the chance tell me what you think of MM, Zebra, Wilgy, and Eloh?

That's a mighty fine group of people right there.

Wilgy's dead, and I don't know if there's much live content to work with there.

I'd lynch zebra over Elohcin. Zebra got off to an active start this game, but has cooled off.



What do you think about these four sig?

Oops? It makes sense why he hasn't been posting then doesn't it.
I listed off people who were/are playing, but flying under the radar at the same time. I'd also throw in LC.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@LC

When you and Spirityo were on the chopping block, was there a reason you didn't tell us you were lynch immune?

Wouldn't a no lynch have hurt the town?

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@LC

When you and Spirityo were on the chopping block, was there a reason you didn't tell us you were lynch immune?

Wouldn't a no lynch have hurt the town?

No infodumping, but how do we know this? Did lc say it later?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@LC

When you and Spirityo were on the chopping block, was there a reason you didn't tell us you were lynch immune?

Wouldn't a no lynch have hurt the town?

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@LC

When you and Spirityo were on the chopping block, was there a reason you didn't tell us you were lynch immune?

Wouldn't a no lynch have hurt the town?

No infodumping, but how do we know this? Did lc say it later?

Snow Dog wrote:Thanks for lynching me new years eve when i was absent due to family commitments

I would have voted the other guy, bro... for your keen intuition and faith in me last game. I'll still owe you one.

sig wrote:

sig wrote:Honestly I'm seeing the Epi/Quin thing as civ on civ. I think the mafia is lying low. I'll have more thoughts tomorrow who knows maybe the doctor will give me something to go on.

I say this and then like the next night the mafia tries to NK me? My thought Esme and her goons are active, but not posting much, so I'm going over the more low posters to see what I can see. Also what's up with Zebra and Wilgy both are inactive I nearly forgot about them. I'm coming out with a limited edition rainbow chart soon. My number 1 goal is getting rid of the team that tried to kill me, so buckle in time to go hunting.

sig wrote:@Dom be a dear and when you get the chance tell me what you think of MM, Zebra, Wilgy, and Eloh?

I'm in the process of narrowing down some mafia members and would like other peoples thoughts.

@DDL I see your back, start chatting in thread or I might start thinking you're a baddie with BTSC.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Dom

So I'm gonna take your non response to mean "I still have no idea why I was lynched and I'm just making up shit on the fly cause it's easier than admitting that I don't know what's going on."

Let me recap a bit to help you out. Here's a recent exchange.

Dom: Quin is bad cause of how he reacted to my lynch train on Day 3.

Jack: What would you have done in his place as a townie?

Dom: A real townie would have tried to not get me lynched.

Jack: That would have been mathematically impossible.

Dom: Yeah, well, Quin is bad anyway.



K. Opinion noted.

Snow Dog wrote:Thanks for lynching me new years eve when i was absent due to family commitments

Dom wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Thanks for lynching me new years eve when i was absent due to family commitments

no sympathy given when you voted for me too.

Good point

Dom wrote:Why don't you want to get the other mafia team at all?

sig wrote:

Dom wrote:Why don't you want to get the other mafia team at all?

Why are you acting so strange about this? I can hunt two teams, but seeing how one tried to kill me it means I'm on their hit list. Plus I'm not having much luck with the other team my final guess for a member/members would be Quin/LC, but I don't really have any proof for that.


Question for everyone, how does Sorsha usually play when she is mafia? I seem to recall that she lurks more, but I'm not 100% sure on this.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Dom

So I'm gonna take your non response to mean "I still have no idea why I was lynched and I'm just making up shit on the fly cause it's easier than admitting that I don't know what's going on."

Let me recap a bit to help you out. Here's a recent exchange.

Dom: Quin is bad cause of how he reacted to my lynch train on Day 3.

Jack: What would you have done in his place as a townie?

Dom: A real townie would have tried to not get me lynched.

Jack: That would have been mathematically impossible.

Dom: Yeah, well, Quin is bad anyway.



K. Opinion noted.

Golden wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Golden is acting strange this game. His tone, his attitude, etc is all off, imo. I would never think he would be one to come in, read the last 5 posts or so and comment on those but start reading from where he left off.

Why is 'strange' bad? But yes, I always start with recent posts and then go back and catch up later. It's just usually less noticeable because I usually have more time. There's more value in me commenting on the now than the five days ago.

I'm on holiday with my extended family, with only a phone that I'm trying to avoid (so I'm not antisocial) for checking this game. Frankly, I'm glad that I'm town so that I don't feel obliged to be absolutely caught up and acting tactically.

sig wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

sig wrote:@Dom be a dear and when you get the chance tell me what you think of MM, Zebra, Wilgy, and Eloh?

That's a mighty fine group of people right there.

Wilgy's dead, and I don't know if there's much live content to work with there.

I'd lynch zebra over Elohcin. Zebra got off to an active start this game, but has cooled off.



What do you think about these four sig?

Oops? It makes sense why he hasn't been posting then doesn't it.
I listed off people who were/are playing, but flying under the radar at the same time. I'd also throw in LC.

In other news we only have like 14 players left, We are down at best 4 civs, at worst 10. So we really need to buckle down and agree on a vote this phase.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Long Con wrote:You just try to stay aware of the most optimistic and the most pessimistic possibilities, and go from there. You don't base your game on the sure and easy knowledge that knowing who 100% of the dead players are, you have to just keep rooting to find all the bad guys until they're dead. At some point, we will probably be informed that one of the Mafia teams have been eliminated, and that will give us a bit more insight (unless we lynched all four of them.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@LC

What do you think of Epi in light of yesterday's lynch?

I don't feel too bad about him. If Eloh turns out to be bad, that will look a lot worse on him. I think he has explained himself quite fully each step of the way.

Do you agree with Quin that bulletproof roles wouldn't be secrets?

No, I do not. I could easily see bulletproof-ness being a secret. However, I do doubt that any of the secrets are that the role is permanently unable to be nightkilled. Maybe Kit Snicket. Actually, after writing that, I could see either of the Godfathers being unkillable. You just have to lynch them. Probably not Esme Squalor though - she has limited lynch-protection, so perhaps it would be balanced to make Olaf have some equally-limited nightkill protection.

My concern at this point is that Sig flat out bussed his teammate, Glor, knowing he'd be replaced and people would defend whoever replaced Glor cause Glor did have good reason to asked to be replaced.

This is the ideal bus scenario. Take out a potential liability (double voting or lack thereof confirming scum is or isn't on specific trains and whoever replaces in may be behind) to gain town cred that is especially important if you're already bulletproof.

Reasons to not believe this are that the lynch did confirm several players as not Troupe and we know there is a townie that could have easily grabbed a mafia member on Night 1 and then gained cred enough to get a vest from his sister. That is, Sig didn't necessarily need a good argument to get Glor killed if he was Klaus and a close lynch train allows his to semi confirm other townies or catch other goons by going after a situational scum double voter.

So for players who know Sig's meta, do either the "Olaf bussing and secretly bulletproof" or the "Klaus setting a trap for the Troupe and getting a vest present" ideas ring true? More true than Sig just being zeroed into Glor's meta/lucking out?

sig wrote:

Dom wrote:Why don't you want to get the other mafia team at all?

Why are you acting so strange about this? I can hunt two teams, but seeing how one tried to kill me it means I'm on their hit list. Plus I'm not having much luck with the other team my final guess for a member/members would be Quin/LC, but I don't really have any proof for that.


Question for everyone, how does Sorsha usually play when she is mafia? I seem to recall that she lurks more, but I'm not 100% sure on this.

Dom wrote:we know sprit/glorf was beet-y bad right

Dom wrote:we know sprit/glorf was bad right

Dom wrote:bc i'm making sure i understand this meaty game correctly

Spacedaisy wrote:Going to go on to DDL now... see you guys sometime tomorrow, I'm sure he has posted a lot as per his usual.

Nacho: That was no my point. My point was I think Elo knows that and is trying to buddy him by seeking out and sheeping his opinions. I actually am civ reading Epi and have been since the start.

Dom wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Dom

Suppose a townie sees what they think is a 13 vote train on a fellow townie. What is the proper action to take?

Should they vote for the townie, elsewhere or nowhere?

If they think someone is a townie then they should not vote for them and actively try and flip those votes.
Not just tell that townie at the end that they are that townie's "friend".

I literally posted in this game that I was ill again. I gave my reason for not being here. I don't have the time or energy to read from page 24 onward. That's the point where I had last read. So, now, seeing people say that they were my "friend" etc... yeah that rings rather false to me. If Quin actively defended me, can you point me out to where? I don't think he did. I think he washed his hands of my blood by conveniently voting elsewhere. My goose was cooked by evil people. Remember that.

Dom wrote:That's not my beef with Quin.
I despised the way he tried to be my "friend" at the end of day. I have repeated myself several times on this. You are the one making it about Quin's vote. Don't sip tea while you misrepresent my suspicion.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Going to go on to DDL now... see you guys sometime tomorrow, I'm sure he has posted a lot as per his usual.

Nacho: That was no my point. My point was I think Elo knows that and is trying to buddy him by seeking out and sheeping his opinions. I actually am civ reading Epi and have been since the start.

That was the one day phase where I didn't post at all.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Dom

So I'm gonna take your non response to mean "I still have no idea why I was lynched and I'm just making up shit on the fly cause it's easier than admitting that I don't know what's going on."

Let me recap a bit to help you out. Here's a recent exchange.

Dom: Quin is bad cause of how he reacted to my lynch train on Day 3.

Jack: What would you have done in his place as a townie?

Dom: A real townie would have tried to not get me lynched.

Jack: That would have been mathematically impossible.

Dom: Yeah, well, Quin is bad anyway.



K. Opinion noted.

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Dom

Suppose a townie sees what they think is a 13 vote train on a fellow townie. What is the proper action to take?

Should they vote for the townie, elsewhere or nowhere?

If they think someone is a townie then they should not vote for them and actively try and flip those votes.
Not just tell that townie at the end that they are that townie's "friend".

I literally posted in this game that I was ill again. I gave my reason for not being here. I don't have the time or energy to read from page 24 onward. That's the point where I had last read. So, now, seeing people say that they were my "friend" etc... yeah that rings rather false to me. If Quin actively defended me, can you point me out to where? I don't think he did. I think he washed his hands of my blood by conveniently voting elsewhere. My goose was cooked by evil people. Remember that.

I never said I thought you were town. You said it yourself, you weren't here to defend yourself, so how do you expect me to form a civ read on you and go out of my way to defend you for that?

I suspected DDL, not you. I voted DDL, not you. You were almost completely irrelevant to my thought process during that day.

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:That's not my beef with Quin.
I despised the way he tried to be my "friend" at the end of day. I have repeated myself several times on this. You are the one making it about Quin's vote. Don't sip tea while you misrepresent my suspicion.

If this is your beef, then I don't know what to tell you. It was quite blatantly a joke.

sig wrote:Okay here is two tin foil theories for the price of one.

Sprityo was on the same team as LC, which is why he didn't vote for him until the very end and the lynch proof thing isn't real.

number 2, which I think is more realistic. Jack is on Esme's team and attempted to NK me since they thought I was on Olaf's team. however, this failed so they're low key trying to push my lynch now.

I'm going to look into Jack, after I look at Zebra and Daisy.

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Dom

Suppose a townie sees what they think is a 13 vote train on a fellow townie. What is the proper action to take?

Should they vote for the townie, elsewhere or nowhere?

If they think someone is a townie then they should not vote for them and actively try and flip those votes.
Not just tell that townie at the end that they are that townie's "friend".

I literally posted in this game that I was ill again. I gave my reason for not being here. I don't have the time or energy to read from page 24 onward. That's the point where I had last read. So, now, seeing people say that they were my "friend" etc... yeah that rings rather false to me. If Quin actively defended me, can you point me out to where? I don't think he did. I think he washed his hands of my blood by conveniently voting elsewhere. My goose was cooked by evil people. Remember that.

I never said I thought you were town. You said it yourself, you weren't here to defend yourself, so how do you expect me to form a civ read on you and go out of my way to defend you for that?

I suspected DDL, not you. I voted DDL, not you. You were almost completely irrelevant to my thought process during that day.

That is not why I suspect you.
This is why jackofhearts wants people to think I suspect you.

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:That's not my beef with Quin.
I despised the way he tried to be my "friend" at the end of day. I have repeated myself several times on this. You are the one making it about Quin's vote. Don't sip tea while you misrepresent my suspicion.

If this is your beef, then I don't know what to tell you. It was quite blatantly a joke.

And those candy jokes matter.

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Dom

Suppose a townie sees what they think is a 13 vote train on a fellow townie. What is the proper action to take?

Should they vote for the townie, elsewhere or nowhere?

If they think someone is a townie then they should not vote for them and actively try and flip those votes.
Not just tell that townie at the end that they are that townie's "friend".

I literally posted in this game that I was ill again. I gave my reason for not being here. I don't have the time or energy to read from page 24 onward. That's the point where I had last read. So, now, seeing people say that they were my "friend" etc... yeah that rings rather false to me. If Quin actively defended me, can you point me out to where? I don't think he did. I think he washed his hands of my blood by conveniently voting elsewhere. My goose was cooked by evil people. Remember that.

I never said I thought you were town. You said it yourself, you weren't here to defend yourself, so how do you expect me to form a civ read on you and go out of my way to defend you for that?

I suspected DDL, not you. I voted DDL, not you. You were almost completely irrelevant to my thought process during that day.

That is not why I suspect you.
This is why jackofhearts wants people to think I suspect you.

Quin wrote:

Dom wrote:That's not my beef with Quin.
I despised the way he tried to be my "friend" at the end of day. I have repeated myself several times on this. You are the one making it about Quin's vote. Don't sip tea while you misrepresent my suspicion.

If this is your beef, then I don't know what to tell you. It was quite blatantly a joke.

And those candy jokes matter.

Why do they matter? Was I buddying a dead guy?

Quin wrote:I'd like more people's input on my thoughts about sig after his lynch survival, if anyone's around.