The Syndicate

Ugh...I haven't demanded a claim from anyone, in fact, I just said role claims are weak...I really don't see how I'm arrogant. I literally said, you both have turned this into an attack on you, and you keep harping on things that aren't the discussion. If you don't want to claim, then is there a reason why we shouldn't vote for you. The fact that you guys keep reverting to the claim persecution almost feels like you don't have any other defense (even if you're town) and you feel like we're trapping people into claiming.

I pressured TSP, who didn't claim, I pressured Nifty who did and I took their information into account and backed off because it affected my read and made them less of a threat in my mind. You both pressured Adam previously, and I was satisfied with his response to that interaction.

If you guys feel overwhelmed, I sympathize, but no one is trapping anyone into claiming, but in response to your pressure, you didn't give me any new information or perspective I already had. Especially when everyone was giving you the LongCon out without spelling it out.

Fred, let's drop it. I don't feel like this discussion is going anywhere. As I made clear, I've already claimed. Pretty sure S~V~S at least hinted as well. Continuing this conversation isn't going to get us anywhere. I don't think anyone is trying to point blame. I know I'm not. And I think highly of both you and S~V~S, and consequently doubt you are. Let's just try to work together on this and focus on reads.

Well, let's hope LC is bad. I've been a part of enough unsuccessful CFDs in the past. Dammit, I'm due for a good one.

S~V~S, if you actually are bad, I swear.

But unlike in LOST Again, I highly suspect that I'm right this time.

Day 4 has ended. Long Con was lynched.
It is Night 4. You have 24 hours until 7:00 PM EST to get your night actions to the Hackett account.

S~V~S wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Fredwood wrote:
I haven't sheeped...I said, I'll vote for MP, IR, LC, and SVS unless someone changes my mind on them. Your defense hasn't swayed me, so then it reverts to meta assessment...I have no meta assessment. Long Con has been active and also have given no reason for me not to lynch him. So it makes sense from a play standpoint that you lynch the active that hasn't given you anything over the inactive that haven't given you anything.

But I have nearly 200 posts. And while I haven't given much, to say I haven't given "anything" is just a bit insulting and just not true. I'm trying my best with this game while I'm here; that much should be evident. I have interaction with a flipped member of one scum faction. So I just don't understand how you can then have no opinion of me whatsoever.

This^^

Maybe part of the problem I am having is that you, Fred, are a thread leader and are steering the thread quite a bit. But I absolutely do not understand how you are coming to the conclusions you're coming to. It's a culture thing, not a you thing. But it is still blocking my understanding to some extent.

I could go into how most of those posts are from Day 0 or Day 1, but frankly I'm hurting everyone's feelings..

Ah well, I'm an asshole bully I guess. Fair enough, I already felt bad for Nifty and Spirit pressure, I don't know how I'm being mean, so I'll back off on involvement as to not make everyone feel like it's a necessity to fall on their swords even though no one I've pressured ended up being lynched. Seriously it's like the 3rd time it's been pulled on me this game alone, so the problem is with me.

An LMS role? Sweet. Not a mafia member, but I'll gladly take that. Nice work, everyone.

Thank god that's over.

Fred, you're not a bully asshole. Playing with you is a pleasure, even if we're not seeing eye to eye. There's just some serious culture and playstyle clash going on. It's OK. We'll sort through it just fine. You're more than OK by me, bud.

Fred, no!

I don't feel overwhelmed, Fred, I honestly don't understand your process becasue you play very differently to me. This is neither your fault nor mine.

I would like to understand better, and I hope you would too. Most of us come from a culture where you got MODKILLED for role claiming. Literally. So we developed ways to play that did not include hints, info drops, claims, any of it. Any form of info. We ostracized people for saying things like, "I roleblocked so and so and there was no kill", or, again, they were mod killed. So your way of doing things is very different for some of us.

It's a learning curve. Some of us loved doing new things. Me, I still avoid games where there is a lot of info, but I guess it is a cultural thing too.

DrWilgy wrote:Thank god that's over.

You're telling me.

Uuuuuuugh.

SVS, you better be town. We could so afford to keep LC around.

SVS, I need to know what you did to me last night.

Welcome back wilgy. Any specifics comments you need to make to anyone?

S~V~S wrote:Fred, no!

I don't feel overwhelmed, Fred, I honestly don't understand your process becasue you play very differently to me. This is neither your fault nor mine.

I would like to understand better, and I hope you would too. Most of us come from a culture where you got MODKILLED for role claiming. Literally. So we developed ways to play that did not include hints, info drops, claims, any of it. Any form of info. We ostracized people for saying things like, "I roleblocked so and so and there was no kill", or, again, they were mod killed. So your way of doing things is very different for some of us.

It's a learning curve. Some of us loved doing new things. Me, I still avoid games where there is a lot of info, but I guess it is a cultural thing too.

Yes, this. I just also believe that I'm a much stronger player in a vanilla setup than I am in a role madness setup. My strengths as a player depend on my ability to develop in-thread reads; I'm not comfortable with role madness setups, and I'm absolutely still new to closed setup role madness games. I've probably only played a handful or less.

I think that's what's so great about these crossover games -- players can learn from each other's different perspectives and backgrounds, and both sides improve for the better.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Uuuuuuugh.

SVS, you better be town. We could so afford to keep LC around.

How do you figure? His role literally says he must be the last man standing to win. Right?

DrWilgy wrote:SVS, I need to know what you did to me last night.

Well, I will be role outing, but I mostly did anyhow, so OK.

I took a vote off of you in the poll. It looked to me like you were headed for a lynch, and I could not add one to Jack since I had done so the night before and double targeting.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Uuuuuuugh.

SVS, you better be town. We could so afford to keep LC around.

How do you figure? His role literally says he must be the last man standing to win. Right?

His role also says he has a 60% chance to kill every third night and has no buddies.

I'd have rather lynched any other baddie or neutral.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Uuuuuuugh.

SVS, you better be town. We could so afford to keep LC around.

How do you figure? His role literally says he must be the last man standing to win. Right?

His role also says he has a 60% chance to kill every third night and has no buddies.

I'd have rather lynched any other baddie or neutral.

It doesn't matter; it's still anti-town. I agree that it would have been better to get an actual baddie, but this is FAR preferable to a town lynch.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Uuuuuuugh.

SVS, you better be town. We could so afford to keep LC around.

How do you figure? His role literally says he must be the last man standing to win. Right?

His role also says he has a 60% chance to kill every third night and has no buddies.

I'd have rather lynched any other baddie or neutral.

Why do you think keeping a killer alive is preferable?

Anyway, I have to get back to work now. I'll try to do things, but I won't make any promises. Please give me requests of players to ISO or do interaction analyses for. I may not get to them, but I'd really like to focus on that next.

I haven't been able to look at anyone since we had a Reaper flip, so that'll give some more potentially juicy interactions to try and figure out. These things just take a fuckton of time, which unfortunately I'm low on. But I'll do what I can.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Uuuuuuugh.

SVS, you better be town. We could so afford to keep LC around.

How do you figure? His role literally says he must be the last man standing to win. Right?

His role also says he has a 60% chance to kill every third night and has no buddies.

I'd have rather lynched any other baddie or neutral.

Think of it this way: he was a possible kill tonight (even if only a 60% chance). No other lynch would have stopped a kill.

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

S~V~S wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Uuuuuuugh.

SVS, you better be town. We could so afford to keep LC around.

How do you figure? His role literally says he must be the last man standing to win. Right?

His role also says he has a 60% chance to kill every third night and has no buddies.

I'd have rather lynched any other baddie or neutral.

Why do you think keeping a killer alive is preferable?

Because that role is weak. I could see LC surviving 10 days without killing anyone.

Because a serial killer has half the information an average mafia has.

Because nobody could plan with LC. Nobody could forge for LC, vouch for LC, silence for LC or doctor LC.

Yeah, we needed him dead. He just wasn't a priority. Hence I have not been pushing Dizzy over SVS or LC or Epi. I had Dizzy pegged as LMS. Figured Epi's vote was more dangerous.

S~V~S wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:SVS, I need to know what you did to me last night.

Well, I will be role outing, but I mostly did anyhow, so OK.

I took a vote off of you in the poll. It looked to me like you were headed for a lynch, and I could not add one to Jack since I had done so the night before and double targeting.

M'k

I believe you. You are town.

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

How long you sticking to your charade Epi?

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

Didn't you vote for Wigly after posting this?

DrWilgy wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:SVS, I need to know what you did to me last night.

Well, I will be role outing, but I mostly did anyhow, so OK.

I took a vote off of you in the poll. It looked to me like you were headed for a lynch, and I could not add one to Jack since I had done so the night before and double targeting.

M'k

I believe you. You are town.

I know.

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

How long you sticking to your charade Epi?

"Charade."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

Didn't you vote for Wigly after posting this?

You're a perceptive one.

To be fair, his list looks a lot like my plus/minus list from this morning, except I wasn't voting for those at the top.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Should I restart ME1 (gonna ask for ME2 and ME3 for my birthday since they're like $4) or keep trucking on Dragon Age Origins?

Tempered enthusiasm, play Mass Effect!

Fredwood wrote:If you play ME1, should be on easiest difficulty, it has the worst combat system of all time. Just breeze through it to get the story and interactions with teammates and lore. It's still a very fun game...I remember back in the day beating it on Insanity...anyone who knows how broken enemy biotics were in ME1 should honor my sacrifice.

I've always enjoyed the challenge of finding a way to get through combat situations in video games, but there were times in ME1 where I had to set it to the easiest difficulty because I just couldn't be bothered. 2 & 3 are always on hard difficulty, or whatever we call it. I'm about to go find Legion after this hockey game is over.

Fredwood wrote:If you play ME1, should be on easiest difficulty, it has the worst combat system of all time. Just breeze through it to get the story and interactions with teammates and lore. It's still a very fun game...I remember back in the day beating it on Insanity...anyone who knows how broken enemy biotics were in ME1 should honor my sacrifice.

I've played ME1. I just don't remember much besides "Wrex." "Shepherd." "Skipper."

I actually liked the combat okay but then again, I was a sniper class with Wrex and Ash so I pretty well steamrolled everything except that blue bitch in the middle.

Sloonei wrote:Don't forget to probe Uranus when you get to ME3, everyone.

I don't need to, I already know what's there.

Huh, an indie. Okay. Would have preferred a mafia, but this isn't a bad result.

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

This list does not show who is John Shepard; rather, it shows who is the most dangerous should he turn out to be John Shepard.

This list would give an idea regarding whom to kill tonight so that Shepard never reaches his full potential.

Initially, my calculations informed me that DrWilgy was our Shepard and that he had gained a protection- he was the only one with a hard three- and that he was targeted for a kill, and that the kill failed.

But I guess we know better.

So you want to kill Shephard. Got it.

Fredwood wrote:So you want to kill Shephard. Got it.

No. I want...

What do I want?

I want...

I want to understand what it is to love.

Neither Haddaway or HK-47 are in Mass Effect

Fredwood wrote:So you want to kill Shephard. Got it.

Then again, I in the very least made the effort to make sure I was spelling his name properly.

Yeah AC is a pain. Just goe's for the first A option

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

This list does not show who is John Shepard; rather, it shows who is the most dangerous should he turn out to be John Shepard.

This list would give an idea regarding whom to kill tonight so that Shepard never reaches his full potential.

Initially, my calculations informed me that DrWilgy was our Shepard and that he had gained a protection- he was the only one with a hard three- and that he was targeted for a kill, and that the kill failed.

But I guess we know better.

Hey, I got a list too. :

DrWilgy =
Fredwood =
nutella =
Dyslexicon =
Adam =
Jackofhearts2005 =
CaptainNifty =
sprityo =
Immortal_Raven =
MovingPictures07 =
TonyStarkPrime =
S~V~S =
Epi =


What does it mean?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

DrWilgy = Hard 3
Fredwood = Hard 2
nutella = Hard 2
Dyslexicon = Soft 2
Adam = Hard 1
Jackofhearts2005 = Hard 1
CaptainNifty = Soft 1
sprityo = Softer 1
Immortal_Raven = Soft 0
MovingPictures07 = Soft 0
TonyStarkPrime = Softer 0
S~V~S = Softest 0
Long Con = Soft -1

This list does not show who is John Shepard; rather, it shows who is the most dangerous should he turn out to be John Shepard.

This list would give an idea regarding whom to kill tonight so that Shepard never reaches his full potential.

Initially, my calculations informed me that DrWilgy was our Shepard and that he had gained a protection- he was the only one with a hard three- and that he was targeted for a kill, and that the kill failed.

But I guess we know better.

Hey, I got a list too. :

DrWilgy =
Fredwood =
nutella =
Dyslexicon =
Adam =
Jackofhearts2005 =
CaptainNifty =
sprityo =
Immortal_Raven =
MovingPictures07 =
TonyStarkPrime =
S~V~S =
Epi =


What does it mean?

Daleks are not in Mass Effect.