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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:09 am
by MacDougall
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:08 am
Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:05 amSounds like GOC LC
I hope you guys will learn from this and stick your assumptions about me up your asses in the future.
If you were in our position and someone else was in yours, wouldn't you agree with our perspective?
No need to get stroppy either way.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:09 am
by Dom
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:06 am
Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:03 am
@MacDougall I think this would bode poorly for Jack if we are right.
To be honest I had the opposite thought. If they were talking about it in the BTSC like. "I'm going to vote for you but don't worry I will switch back to Jack if you get votes" it seems more likely that Jack is a civilian that MP had picked as his fallback case in case of emergency and if that's the case he's more likely not in their team.
I'd imagine a third party here, also no risk at being lynched might be on their team too.
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:08 am
Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:05 amSounds like GOC LC
I hope you guys will learn from this and stick your assumptions about me up your asses in the future.
Define: assumptions.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:09 am
by Long Con
That goes for Dom, Golden, and anyone else who had the conceit and hubris to think they have a clue how to read me.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:10 am
by Turnip Head
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:04 am
@Turnip Head get your torch out.
lemme just dip it in the fire real qui OHHHHH YEAHHHHHHH BABY
BURN 
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:10 am
by MacDougall
$10 says Lunalee's next post is a vague comment about how she doesn't think it was a scumslip or that LC is bad.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:11 am
by Dom
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:09 am
That goes for Dom, Golden, and anyone else who had the conceit and hubris to think they have a clue how to read me.
I've made no assumptions on your tone.
Only inferences on your actions.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:12 am
by Tangrowth
What's up, people?
I'm not sure I have time right now to catch up, but I have like a half hour tops maybe? Then I'll be back again closer to EoD.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:12 am
by MacDougall
Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:11 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:09 am
That goes for Dom, Golden, and anyone else who had the conceit and hubris to think they have a clue how to read me.
I've made no assumptions on your tone.
Only inferences on your actions.

Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:12 am
by Marmot
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:09 am
That goes for Dom, Golden, and anyone else who had the conceit and hubris to think they have a clue how to read me.
If you are mafia, you've got me fooled. I had you as a townread until just now.
If you're town, then I've got 5 dozen eggs on my face right now.

Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:13 am
by MacDougall
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:12 am
What's up, people?
I'm not sure I have time right now to catch up, but I have like a half hour tops maybe? Then I'll be back again closer to EoD.
The man of the hour. Too sweet to be sour. Just in time.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:14 am
by MacDougall
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:12 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:09 am
That goes for Dom, Golden, and anyone else who had the conceit and hubris to think they have a clue how to read me.
If you are mafia, you've got me fooled. I had you as a townread until just now.
If you're town, then I've got 5 dozen eggs on my face right now.
Yeah. I mean I started off our recent charade from a place of Long Con being suspect but it went up and down and up and down. Until it went

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Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:14 am
by Tangrowth
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:13 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:12 am
What's up, people?
I'm not sure I have time right now to catch up, but I have like a half hour tops maybe? Then I'll be back again closer to EoD.
The man of the hour. Too sweet to be sour. Just in time.
Are you being sarcastic or serious?

Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:14 am
by Marmot
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:28 pm
Stop quoting me; this stupid atmention feature is sucking me back in to the thread every time I visit the site.
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:39 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:59 pm
I am cool with Sloonei receiving some heat because I feel like he's pretty suspicious, but I want to emphasize that I don't think letting a wagon develop this early will be beneficial to any of us. We need to keep the discussion moving and the heat on a variety of players. I don't want anyone getting complacent or just coming in and parking on Sloonei and then fucking off.
Seriously?
Colin has 5 votes just like Sloonei. Why do you complain about the Sloonei wagon?>
Colin didn't have 5 votes when I said that. I just threw in Sloonei's name because he was clearly leading at the time with the most votes. Either way, poorly worded.. I echo the same exact sentiment for
any wagon with 5 votes on it.
I also felt like Sloonei is more suspicious than Colin, though probably not by much anymore now that Dom and Golden explained the Colin suspicion to me more.
Why are you upset about it?
It's OK to have wagons in the latter stage of the Day phase, by all means. But we need to keep discussion going on
everyone and that's more likely if there aren't huge wagons early in the day phase. That's all I'm saying.
Hey guys, remember when MP7 defended the Sloonei lynch
despite listing him as a strong scumread.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:15 am
by Tangrowth
Okay, only 5-6 pages, maybe I do have time to catch up.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:15 am
by Turnip Head
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:13 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:12 am
What's up, people?
I'm not sure I have time right now to catch up, but I have like a half hour tops maybe? Then I'll be back again closer to EoD.
The man of the hour. Too sweet to be sour. Just in time.
It's always a treat to be here for the live show
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:16 am
by Tangrowth
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:14 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 5:28 pm
Stop quoting me; this stupid atmention feature is sucking me back in to the thread every time I visit the site.
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:39 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:59 pm
I am cool with Sloonei receiving some heat because I feel like he's pretty suspicious, but I want to emphasize that I don't think letting a wagon develop this early will be beneficial to any of us. We need to keep the discussion moving and the heat on a variety of players. I don't want anyone getting complacent or just coming in and parking on Sloonei and then fucking off.
Seriously?
Colin has 5 votes just like Sloonei. Why do you complain about the Sloonei wagon?>
Colin didn't have 5 votes when I said that. I just threw in Sloonei's name because he was clearly leading at the time with the most votes. Either way, poorly worded.. I echo the same exact sentiment for
any wagon with 5 votes on it.
I also felt like Sloonei is more suspicious than Colin, though probably not by much anymore now that Dom and Golden explained the Colin suspicion to me more.
Why are you upset about it?
It's OK to have wagons in the latter stage of the Day phase, by all means. But we need to keep discussion going on
everyone and that's more likely if there aren't huge wagons early in the day phase. That's all I'm saying.
Hey guys, remember when MP7 defended the Sloonei lynch
despite listing him as a strong scumread.
Wait, what?
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:16 am
by Marmot
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:15 am
Okay, only 5-6 pages, maybe I do have time to catch up.
Your Long Con lynch has taken off for reasons.

Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:16 am
by MacDougall
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:14 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:13 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:12 am
What's up, people?
I'm not sure I have time right now to catch up, but I have like a half hour tops maybe? Then I'll be back again closer to EoD.
The man of the hour. Too sweet to be sour. Just in time.
Are you being sarcastic or serious?

Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:17 am
by Tangrowth
Dom wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:18 pm
Dom
MacDougall
Scotty
Choutas
novaselinenever
Golden
Jackofhearts2005
M Plus 7
Quin
Spacedaisy
Speedchuck
Turnip Head
colonialbob
dunya
Kylemii
Lunalee
Marmot
wolbre04
ColinIsCool
Long Con
Sloonei
Dom, you do realize that the mafia are the minority not the majority, right?
What do you feel about Choutas and nova specifically that warrants their current placement?
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:17 am
by MacDougall
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:17 am
Dom wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:18 pm
Dom
MacDougall
Scotty
Choutas
novaselinenever
Golden
Jackofhearts2005
M Plus 7
Quin
Spacedaisy
Speedchuck
Turnip Head
colonialbob
dunya
Kylemii
Lunalee
Marmot
wolbre04
ColinIsCool
Long Con
Sloonei
Dom, you do realize that the mafia are the minority not the majority, right?
What do you feel about Choutas and nova specifically that warrants their current placement?
I insist you desist lest you clog up the thread. Fast forward first.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:18 am
by Tangrowth
Alright, reading as fast as I can!
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:21 am
by Tangrowth
Am I supposed to be waiting for some big revelation?
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:22 am
by Tangrowth
I don't understand this emoji thing, lol. Explain?
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:22 am
by MacDougall
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:21 am
Am I supposed to be waiting for some big revelation?
Clearly not going to find it if you keep posting.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:23 am
by Tangrowth
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:22 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:21 am
Am I supposed to be waiting for some big revelation?
Clearly not going to find it if you keep posting.
I can't help it; I have a disease.

Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:24 am
by Tangrowth
LONG CON DOESN'T LIKE COFFEE, that must be it.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:24 am
by MacDougall
Anyone else get the feeling MP is intentionally trying to put as many posts between the meat of this scenario and the current post so that fewer people are inclined to look at it?
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:25 am
by Long Con
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:24 am
Anyone else get the feeling MP is intentionally trying to put as many posts between the meat of this scenario and the current post so that fewer people are inclined to look at it?
oh my god you people
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:26 am
by Turnip Head
I mean he's clearly beating around the bush on purpose

Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:26 am
by MacDougall
Oh [mention]Sloonei[/mention] is back.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:27 am
by Tangrowth
I'm confused.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:27 am
by Tangrowth
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:42 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:58 pm
I'll move my vote back to LC for now. Before I left I was afraid I was unfairly tunneling him, but having returned to all of this and seen subsequent posts from him, I don't think I was. What is bugging me right now actually is
this post, which LC made right after I left earlier today. What bothers me about it is specifically the second section the most, where he simultaneously is backtracking on me but also doubling down on his perspective that I'm strawmanning. It reads inorganic and forced, like LC's trying to still be consistent in his suspicion of me (which mafia tend to do) while also putting his foot off the brakes a bit.
[VOTE:
LONG CON] aubergine
I'd still like to engage with Jack though.
Yes very much a scumslip by the Longest Con right there. Dragged his buddy MP down with him if I do say so Dom. I am 100% feeling what you're putting down.
????????????????????
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:28 am
by Tangrowth
I must be dense AF because I don't understand where the scumslip was?
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:29 am
by Tangrowth
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:31 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:30 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:06 am
Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:05 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:01 am
Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 8:58 am
For example, right now, they look highly compatible as teammates.
I would love a bit of an explanation here.
MP and LC have a heated argument, spilling over from my interaction with LC. It lasts for a half hour and then both suddenly drop the hostilities and keep their votes on each other. Neither will get lynched today
I love your brain.
Agreed. This is beautiful.
Also, MP said he was moving his vote to Jack, but didn't.
But I did move my vote to Jack? I voted you, then Jack, then back to you again.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:30 am
by Tangrowth
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:42 am
Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:38 am
Did MP tell LC in BTSC that he would change his vote?
This needs to be bigger.
Explain?
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:30 am
by MacDougall
Where did you tell him you were going to do that?
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:31 am
by MacDougall
Also, MP said he was moving his vote to Jack, but didn't.
But I did move my vote to Jack? I voted you, then Jack, then back to you again.
Where did you tell him this?
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:32 am
by speedchuck
Alright I have like 7 pages to read here. I made the mistake this week of picking up "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality", a famous fanfic that has its own website. So in addition to playing mafia and working a full-time job, I've read 650k words in the past four days, or the equivalent of 85% of the Bible.
People should not let me near books. At least, not lengthy and riveting ones.
(and judging by the ten linkis, all hell is breaking loose. Anything I can help with before looking at the last 7 pages?)
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:35 am
by Tangrowth
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:30 am
Where did you tell him you were going to do that?
In my vote post?
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:04 am
That has to be the most manufactured suspicion of me I've seen in quite some time, and boy have I seen a lot of it over the years. Congrats, LC. You're now blood red in my rainbow.
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:04 am
[VOTE:
VOTE: LONG CON] aubergine
You're full of shit.
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:09 am
For the sake of truly letting this LC thing go until I return, the last thing I'll do (promise) is move vote to Jackofhearts2005. I feel like of every player in this game that hasn't been really quiet, he's the one I just cannot get any handle on whatsoever. What say you, Jack? Where's your head at? Show us that supatown Jack we all want to see.
But just know that I also still think LC is bad (even if I have my doubts) and I want to know what you all think.
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:11 am
Oh, whoops. Keep forgetting these vote tag things.
[VOTE:
VOTE: JACKOFHEARTS2005] aubergine
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 3:58 pm
I'll move my vote back to LC for now. Before I left I was afraid I was unfairly tunneling him, but having returned to all of this and seen subsequent posts from him, I don't think I was. What is bugging me right now actually is
this post, which LC made right after I left earlier today. What bothers me about it is specifically the second section the most, where he simultaneously is backtracking on me but also doubling down on his perspective that I'm strawmanning. It reads inorganic and forced, like LC's trying to still be consistent in his suspicion of me (which mafia tend to do) while also putting his foot off the brakes a bit.
[VOTE:
LONG CON] aubergine
I'd still like to engage with Jack though.
That's the train of events. I voted LC, then felt like I was tunneling him unfairly so I moved to Jack shortly thereafter, then came back into the thread a few hours after that and decided to vote LC again.
I have no idea why anyone would think I'd be then moving back to Jack
again. There's nothing in my behavior or post history to suggest that. I'm assuming LC's post comes from a lack of realizing my vote was on Jack for a few hours.
The fact that he didn't clarify any of this though and just acted pissed off with you all means I'm totally fine with lynching him. But I'm certainly not involved in this.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:36 am
by Turnip Head
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:28 am
I must be dense AF because I don't understand where the scumslip was?
I was really hoping you'd help me figure it out

Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:37 am
by Turnip Head
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:35 amThe fact that he didn't clarify any of this though and just acted pissed off with you all means I'm totally fine with lynching him. But I'm certainly not involved in this.

Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:37 am
by Tangrowth
I also would like to say that if any of you all think I'm distancing with LC, then I have no idea what to say to that. My behavior surrounding him is not indicative of the way I would handle a teammate, but I suppose I can understand why the conclusion would arise.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:38 am
by Dom
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:12 am
What's up, people?
I'm not sure I have time right now to catch up, but I have like a half hour tops maybe? Then I'll be back again closer to EoD.
l o l
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:17 am
Dom, you do realize that the mafia are the minority not the majority, right?
What do you feel about Choutas and nova specifically that warrants their current placement?
Yeah. You're the one that wants us to cast a wide net.
Ive liked their posts.
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:26 am
I mean he's clearly beating around the bush on purpose
And ignored my theory on them being teammates before the slip.
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:28 am
I must be dense AF because I don't understand where the scumslip was?

Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:38 am
by Dom
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:37 am
I also would like to say that if any of you all think I'm distancing with LC, then I have no idea what to say to that. My behavior surrounding him is not indicative of the way I would handle a teammate, but I suppose I can understand why the conclusion would arise.
"This is not how I would distance with a teammate. But this is exactly what distancing with a teammate looks like"
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:38 am
by Tangrowth
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:36 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:28 am
I must be dense AF because I don't understand where the scumslip was?
I was really hoping you'd help me figure it out
I'm guessing the post where LC said I'd move my vote to Jack? But I did say that in-thread, so...?
This isn't even plausible as a scumslip because why would, if any alignment, even move my vote back to Jack anyway?
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:39 am
by Marmot
Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:38 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:37 am
I also would like to say that if any of you all think I'm distancing with LC, then I have no idea what to say to that. My behavior surrounding him is not indicative of the way I would handle a teammate, but I suppose I can understand why the conclusion would arise.
"This is not how I would distance with a teammate. But this is exactly what distancing with a teammate looks like"
I mean, if MP7 is civilian, what would you expect him to say here?
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:39 am
by Tangrowth
Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:38 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:37 am
I also would like to say that if any of you all think I'm distancing with LC, then I have no idea what to say to that. My behavior surrounding him is not indicative of the way I would handle a teammate, but I suppose I can understand why the conclusion would arise.
"This is not how I would distance with a teammate. But this is exactly what distancing with a teammate looks like"
Pretty much, yeah. I don't distance like this. It's sloppy.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:40 am
by Dom
MP provided a reason someone else might think something he would have no knowledge of.
why?
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:40 am
by Dom
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:39 am
Dom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:38 am
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:37 am
I also would like to say that if any of you all think I'm distancing with LC, then I have no idea what to say to that. My behavior surrounding him is not indicative of the way I would handle a teammate, but I suppose I can understand why the conclusion would arise.
"This is not how I would distance with a teammate. But this is exactly what distancing with a teammate looks like"
Pretty much, yeah. I don't distance like this. It's sloppy.
Is it?
I'm the only one who noticed it.
Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:40 am
by MacDougall
I can see all the logic in your explanation MP and totally missed the posts you quoted.
Now my question is why LC didn't actually do what you just did?