The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:26 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:25 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:23 pm 1612/Michelle/speed?

That means they misyeet Lavender today and then only need one player to vote for me tomorrow?

Yeah, that is possible.

If this is their plan then 1612 giving a townread on you seems weird. If I was scum 1612 with this team and this plan, I'd agree with Lavender's scumread on you, then "follow confirmed town" to help execute Lavender, then use Lavender's legacy scumread on you to convince the other townies to vote you.

Yeah...

Maybe 1612 feels more comfortable with that though, wants to pocket me for misdirecting my vote in F7?

Then who is the misyeet though, Cobbler?

Honestly, I just want Alison to decide who to yeet. Not in a "pushing the responsibility" way, but she's confirmed town and probably better at mafia than I am quite frankly.

But I want to hammer =p

Cobbler might be as easy as or even easier to get a vote on than me. Not sure actually.

Why are we talking about F7 though? We are going to yeet some pelt today. BELIEVE

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:28 pm Honestly, I just want Alison to decide who to yeet. Not in a "pushing the responsibility" way, but she's confirmed town and probably better at mafia than I am quite frankly.

Your input is valued.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:29 pm Why are we talking about F7 though? We are going to yeet some pelt today. BELIEVE

I’m just trying to figure out who the scum is based off of agenda as well as start some preparation.

I absolutely believe we can win!

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:29 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:28 pm Honestly, I just want Alison to decide who to yeet. Not in a "pushing the responsibility" way, but she's confirmed town and probably better at mafia than I am quite frankly.

Your input is valued.

Thanks. What does this mean though? =p Like, I'm giving input

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:28 pm Honestly, I just want Alison to decide who to yeet. Not in a "pushing the responsibility" way, but she's confirmed town and probably better at mafia than I am quite frankly.

Did that work out in Space Invaders?

Good results occur when many good mafia players think about something together. If you're worried you'll take the blame for a mis-execute, don't be - I'm fine taking the blame for any bad result that occurs.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:30 pmI’m just trying to figure out who the scum is based off of agenda as well as start some preparation.

I absolutely believe we can win!

But like, why plan for F7 instead of yeeting the scum house down boots okurrrrr

Adk, just freaks me out

Should the original wagons of speed and Lavender just be maintained then? If they’re both town then... ughhh.

Those two being town would mean the team must be 1612/Cobbler/Michelle? (Again excluding Urist and Dizzy)

well Lavendar is not defending here which sucks, he is probably just done with being tunneled. You guys really think he is faking frustration when he says this?

call this all mafia tmi if u want, idrc. i feel absolutely great about these reads, so much so that i'm almost tempted to self-vote today since i'm fucking exhausted and it would be an easy way to draw more attention to the world i see. i'm not going to do this out of respect for my fellow players, and on the off-chance that cobbler-ted is not the third mafia -- i wouldn't want to waste our last misbanish. i will put mp7/michelle scum at 90% certainty, mp7 gf at 80%, and cobbler mafia at 70%

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:31 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:29 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:28 pm Honestly, I just want Alison to decide who to yeet. Not in a "pushing the responsibility" way, but she's confirmed town and probably better at mafia than I am quite frankly.

Your input is valued.

Thanks. What does this mean though? =p Like, I'm giving input

It means I personally value your opinion highly, and I think you should continue giving it.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:31 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:28 pm Honestly, I just want Alison to decide who to yeet. Not in a "pushing the responsibility" way, but she's confirmed town and probably better at mafia than I am quite frankly.

Did that work out in Space Invaders?

Good results occur when many good mafia players think about something together. If you're worried you'll take the blame for a mis-execute, don't be - I'm fine taking the blame for any bad result that occurs.

I agree, but also no blame. The game being won or lost falls on our collective shoulders, and we just need to try our best, that’s all.

See my gut really feels like 1612 knows Lavender is town.

The strongest case I've seen for Michelle being scum is MP7's argument that Michelle is too comfortable with the gamestate and doesn't have a town spark. There was also Michelle's behavior D1, which I independently believed to be scummy.

I'm uncomfortable with how easily 1612 has just jumped on it and gone "yes, I agree". Another counterargument is that if Michelle is mafia here I don't think it makes sense for her to be comfortable either - so perhaps this is just her personality or playing style, and not alignment indicative.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:31 pmDid that work out in Space Invaders?

Good results occur when many good mafia players think about something together. If you're worried you'll take the blame for a mis-execute, don't be - I'm fine taking the blame for any bad result that occurs.

Oof. Not the space invaders. The salt is still in me.
But I've always been interested in a follow the confirmed town strategy, but nobody ever wants to do it. I guess for understandable reasons as per space invaders. But I also do trust your judgement. I really just want to see a red flip, and I think all of Lav/Speed/1612 has decent to high equity for that. Though it might be "too simple" or not quite work out for all of them to be scum.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:34 pm The strongest case I've seen for Michelle being scum is MP7's argument that Michelle is too comfortable with the gamestate and doesn't have a town spark. There was also Michelle's behavior D1, which I independently believed to be scummy.

I'm uncomfortable with how easily 1612 has just jumped on it and gone "yes, I agree". Another counterargument is that if Michelle is mafia here I don't think it makes sense for her to be comfortable either - so perhaps this is just her personality or playing style, and not alignment indicative.

Great thought, that's why I went back and looked at Baseball. Inconclusive.

I'm switching my vote to 1612 for now.

I srsly cannot read fast enough to catch up

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:35 pm I srsly cannot read fast enough to catch up

That's okay, fuck catching up. Let's just talk from here.

i am actually alone in the Michelle scum read holy moly

Alison, should we yeet 1612?

1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:36 pm i am actually alone in the Michelle scum read holy moly

I’ve been scum reading Michelle though.

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:37 pm [VOTE: 1612] aubergine

oh my god

Which of these is the most and least likely?

1. Town 1612 adamantly believes that Lavender is town, and Lavender is town

2. Town 1612 adamantly believes that Lavender is town, and Lavender is wolf

3. Wolf 1612 is TMIing town Lavender

4. Wolf 1612 is hard defending his wolf mate Lavender

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:39 pm Which of these is the most and least likely?

1. Town 1612 adamantly believes that Lavender is town, and Lavender is town

2. Town 1612 adamantly believes that Lavender is town, and Lavender is wolf

3. Wolf 1612 is TMIing town Lavender

4. Wolf 1612 is hard defending his wolf mate Lavender

For me, 4 and 3 are most believable, although 1 is possible I guess. 2 I have no idea.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:39 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:39 pm Which of these is the most and least likely?

1. Town 1612 adamantly believes that Lavender is town, and Lavender is town

2. Town 1612 adamantly believes that Lavender is town, and Lavender is wolf

3. Wolf 1612 is TMIing town Lavender

4. Wolf 1612 is hard defending his wolf mate Lavender

For me, 4 and 3 are most believable, although 1 is possible I guess. 2 I have no idea.

From a gamestate perspective, I actually am now thinking 1612 has a higher chance of flipping wolf than Lavender does.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:39 pm Which of these is the most and least likely?

1. Town 1612 adamantly believes that Lavender is town, and Lavender is town

2. Town 1612 adamantly believes that Lavender is town, and Lavender is wolf

3. Wolf 1612 is TMIing town Lavender

4. Wolf 1612 is hard defending his wolf mate Lavender

Honestly, 4, 1, 2=3, but don't ask me why I think that. Also rip, because if BOTH Lav and 1612 is town then who they fuck are the scum team

I love how Urist and Mp7 are voting WITH jeraldoo(speed), what is this gameplay?
Please vote Michelle tomorrow and please take a GOOD look on Lavendar and reconsider. I really am confident in this read I have on Lavendar and don't see the world Michelle is pushing

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:41 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:39 pm Which of these is the most and least likely?

1. Town 1612 adamantly believes that Lavender is town, and Lavender is town

2. Town 1612 adamantly believes that Lavender is town, and Lavender is wolf

3. Wolf 1612 is TMIing town Lavender

4. Wolf 1612 is hard defending his wolf mate Lavender

Honestly, 4, 1, 2=3, but don't ask me why I think that. Also rip, because if BOTH Lav and 1612 is town then who they fuck are the scum team

That's sort of where I am at right now. Excluding you and Urist, then it has to be speed/cobbler/Michelle.

1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:41 pm I love how Urist and Mp7 are voting WITH jeraldoo(speed), what is this gameplay?
Please vote Michelle tomorrow and please take a GOOD look on Lavendar and reconsider. I really am confident in this read I have on Lavendar and don't see the world Michelle is pushing

Are you trying to shade us?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:41 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:39 pm Which of these is the most and least likely?

1. Town 1612 adamantly believes that Lavender is town, and Lavender is town

2. Town 1612 adamantly believes that Lavender is town, and Lavender is wolf

3. Wolf 1612 is TMIing town Lavender

4. Wolf 1612 is hard defending his wolf mate Lavender

Honestly, 4, 1, 2=3, but don't ask me why I think that. Also rip, because if BOTH Lav and 1612 is town then who they fuck are the scum team

DO PEOPLE NOT READ MY POSTS
Michelle, Cobbler, Jeraldoo

And then both of my town reads end up voting with jeraldooo

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:37 pm Alison, should we yeet 1612?

I don't think I'd execute 1612 before Lavender.

1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:41 pm I love how Urist and Mp7 are voting WITH jeraldoo(speed), what is this gameplay?
Please vote Michelle tomorrow and please take a GOOD look on Lavendar and reconsider. I really am confident in this read I have on Lavendar and don't see the world Michelle is pushing

The only thing I asked of you is to place a vote because that's how I form reads most reliably, you refused to do that so I have no choice but to read you by flipping you.

1612, I think the fact that you have only one scum team possibility actually makes you very NOT town.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:41 pmThat's sort of where I am at right now. Excluding you and Urist, then it has to be speed/cobbler/Michelle.

Cobbler would still surprise me, but maybe I'm just putting too much stock in the early reaction, cause I don't know Cobbler as a player at all.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:42 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:41 pm I love how Urist and Mp7 are voting WITH jeraldoo(speed), what is this gameplay?
Please vote Michelle tomorrow and please take a GOOD look on Lavendar and reconsider. I really am confident in this read I have on Lavendar and don't see the world Michelle is pushing

Are you trying to shade us?

not at all, its just a bad vote. that vote basically means you think jeraldooo is town or bussing? it doesnt make sense

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:37 pm Alison, should we yeet 1612?

I don't think I'd execute 1612 before Lavender.

Why though?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:40 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:39 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:39 pm Which of these is the most and least likely?

1. Town 1612 adamantly believes that Lavender is town, and Lavender is town

2. Town 1612 adamantly believes that Lavender is town, and Lavender is wolf

3. Wolf 1612 is TMIing town Lavender

4. Wolf 1612 is hard defending his wolf mate Lavender

For me, 4 and 3 are most believable, although 1 is possible I guess. 2 I have no idea.

From a gamestate perspective, I actually am now thinking 1612 has a higher chance of flipping wolf than Lavender does.

The thought has crossed my mind too and this reasoning isn't that inaccurate. I think reads factor into the equation too though, and Lavender does give more information on his flip.

1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:43 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:42 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:41 pm I love how Urist and Mp7 are voting WITH jeraldoo(speed), what is this gameplay?
Please vote Michelle tomorrow and please take a GOOD look on Lavendar and reconsider. I really am confident in this read I have on Lavendar and don't see the world Michelle is pushing

Are you trying to shade us?

not at all, its just a bad vote. that vote basically means you think jeraldooo is town or bussing? it doesnt make sense

But think about my perspective for a second. I wouldn't know that you're town assuming you are. Why can't you be wolf and jeraldo be town?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:42 pm 1612, I think the fact that you have only one scum team possibility actually makes you very NOT town.

This is accurate actually.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:43 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:40 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:39 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:39 pm Which of these is the most and least likely?

1. Town 1612 adamantly believes that Lavender is town, and Lavender is town

2. Town 1612 adamantly believes that Lavender is town, and Lavender is wolf

3. Wolf 1612 is TMIing town Lavender

4. Wolf 1612 is hard defending his wolf mate Lavender

For me, 4 and 3 are most believable, although 1 is possible I guess. 2 I have no idea.

From a gamestate perspective, I actually am now thinking 1612 has a higher chance of flipping wolf than Lavender does.

The thought has crossed my mind too and this reasoning isn't that inaccurate. I think reads factor into the equation too though, and Lavender does give more information on his flip.

I don't agree, and I also would rather yeet a red flip today regardless. I refuse to enter F7 tomorrow.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:43 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:37 pm Alison, should we yeet 1612?

I don't think I'd execute 1612 before Lavender.

Why though?

Because my flip gives no information and you are suggesting that we use our one misbanish on me instead. Please reconsider

I think 1612 is trapped.

I could yeet 1612 tbh

1612/Jeraldo wagons or 1612/Lav wagons?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:42 pm 1612, I think the fact that you have only one scum team possibility actually makes you very NOT town.

my read on that is based off how solely how i feel on the lavendar and michelle situation. if im wrong then I still don't hink I am far too off the mark with the rest of my POE. the latter two are just POE and there is nothing to suggest that those two can't be a team with either of the two we are talking about

1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:45 pmBecause my flip gives no information and you are suggesting that we use our one misbanish on me instead. Please reconsider

Why would your flip give no information?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:45 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:42 pm 1612, I think the fact that you have only one scum team possibility actually makes you very NOT town.

This is accurate actually.

Like if I was town 1612 here, how the heck am I this confident as to what the gamesolve is?

I may read Michelle scum and I may even think Lavender is town based on the Michelle thunderdome, but how the heck am I that certain on Urist?