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Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:45 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:44 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:43 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:40 am I choose a player and I choose lethal or non lethal and something happens
and? were these the same actions that took people out of thread and gave sloonei the note?
I took Alison out of the thread. I’m inclined to say I didn’t give Sloonei the note because it would mean Marmot is lying. But Marmot could be lying. If Marmot is lying, I probably gave Sloonei the note.

Lying about what?

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:45 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:43 am is that why you thought you killed sloonei?

I had a sorta jokey fear that non lethal actions would kill someone since lethal actions didn’t

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:45 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:45 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:44 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:43 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:40 am I choose a player and I choose lethal or non lethal and something happens
and? were these the same actions that took people out of thread and gave sloonei the note?
I took Alison out of the thread. I’m inclined to say I didn’t give Sloonei the note because it would mean Marmot is lying. But Marmot could be lying. If Marmot is lying, I probably gave Sloonei the note.
Lying about what?

Blocking me N2

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:46 am**

Oh and I thought that I might have been shot Night 2 if anyone was wondering if my bpv claim was out of nowhere. I might have thought I had been shot night 1. I’m paranoid about being shot.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:47 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:45 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:45 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:44 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:43 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:40 am I choose a player and I choose lethal or non lethal and something happens
and? were these the same actions that took people out of thread and gave sloonei the note?
I took Alison out of the thread. I’m inclined to say I didn’t give Sloonei the note because it would mean Marmot is lying. But Marmot could be lying. If Marmot is lying, I probably gave Sloonei the note.
Lying about what?
Blocking me N2

Like I said, I can't do anything to th punks' roleblock that the punks wouldn't be aware of. They should be able to confirm this. As far as we know, our roleblock was successful N2.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:47 am**

My experience with Nanook games is they tend to have a lot of KP so I was confused when my mercenary wasn’t killing anyone

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:48 am**

I would like any Punk to confirm what Marmot sats

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:48 am**

I also think it can rather easily be a cover but eh

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:51 am**

Alison’s fake notes theory is also resonating with me

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:51 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:48 am I also think it can rather easily be a cover but eh

The host revealed to us our target (you) last night despite me secretly changing it. He did not do that on previous nights when I didn't change it. I believe that's enough information to prove I'm not lying, but if a punk wants to clarify this with the host, I'd encourage them to do so.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:52 am**

I think the fake notes theory accounts for everything just as well as Marmot being a wolf. Both can be true simultaneously

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:52 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:37 am yeah I'm coming around to marmot being likely wolf. I think Alison is probably just right it's TL/marmot....if I'm to trust you which is still a bit of a hangup but yeah I've been whittling down the possible worlds and arriving more or less there

I HAVE BEEN WANTING TO KILL QUINN AND MARMOT SINCE I CAME OUT OF MY CHAT.
You guys switched when i was busy to TH and guess what they were town like i SAID.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:53 am**

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:12 pm Wait... I just looked at punk chat, and it's true. TSP -was- targeted. Huh.

K noting this

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:55 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:47 am My experience with Nanook games is they tend to have a lot of KP so I was confused when my mercenary wasn’t killing anyone

I have no experience with Nanook setups and am just trying to do what would make the most sense.
I will say being locked out 2 days was good cause i was accidently muiti tabing but bad cause it was hard to read the game while not in it and i think caused some not great actions.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:55 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:53 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:12 pm Wait... I just looked at punk chat, and it's true. TSP -was- targeted. Huh.
K noting this

Can confirm as well said TSP was targed.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:55 am**

Marmot is a better kill mechanically. His unilateral ability to stop and change the block is a severe hamper on solving abilities. However, it’s established that 1) marmot is a wolf only with one of punk chat, 2) the other main option is two punk chat wolfs. Bayes says, with two chops, chop the two punk chatters and see what’s up

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:56 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:55 am it’s established that 1) marmot is a wolf only with one of punk chat,

No it's not

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:02 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:44 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:43 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:40 am I choose a player and I choose lethal or non lethal and something happens
and? were these the same actions that took people out of thread and gave sloonei the note?
I took Alison out of the thread. I’m inclined to say I didn’t give Sloonei the note because it would mean Marmot is lying. But Marmot could be lying. If Marmot is lying, I probably gave Sloonei the note.

jesus im so lost

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:02 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:45 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:43 am is that why you thought you killed sloonei?
I had a sorta jokey fear that non lethal actions would kill someone since lethal actions didn’t

so "lethal" = taking out of thread?

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:26 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:56 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:55 am it’s established that 1) marmot is a wolf only with one of punk chat,
No it's not

I’m establishing it unless you want to be a wolf with Alison or nutella but I really don’t think that works

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 6:27 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:02 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:45 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:43 am is that why you thought you killed sloonei?
I had a sorta jokey fear that non lethal actions would kill someone since lethal actions didn’t
so "lethal" = taking out of thread?

Yes

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 2:54 pm**

So we should really talk about who we're voting today because it's probably LYLO tomorrow if we get it wrong.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:09 pm**

Wait we have a Punk Gang role card

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:10 pm**

It says nothing about the RB?

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:13 pm**

I'm voting for Marmot because his ability to unilaterally control the RB is kinda dangerous. TL chop is more likely to hit a wolf. I'm prepared to lose to nutella, I think I will lose to Hyena. Alison is a weird case. Not claiming is bold and Alison has great spew off Vul plus decent mechanical non-wolfiness. Alison /could/ be a lost wolf but again, not claiming is bold. "Quin is town for defending me" is something that I think is not particularly good but it's good enough to chop TL over Quin if we're chopping in the punk gang.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:13 pm**

"At some point, you may gain additional abilities."

I mean, you kinda have to take our word for it.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:15 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:13 pm "At some point, you may gain additional abilities."

I mean, you kinda have to take our word for it.

I mean the alternate is a vast conspiracy to deceive like two of us, since Alison seems to be in on it. And apparently Nutella might be in on something too. I'm the only person not in on anything. Weh.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:17 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:13 pm I'm voting for Marmot because his ability to unilaterally control the RB is kinda dangerous. TL chop is more likely to hit a wolf. I'm prepared to lose to nutella, I think I will lose to Hyena. Alison is a weird case. Not claiming is bold and Alison has great spew off Vul plus decent mechanical non-wolfiness. Alison /could/ be a lost wolf but again, not claiming is bold. "Quin is town for defending me" is something that I think is not particularly good but it's good enough to chop TL over Quin if we're chopping in the punk gang.

I don't think you'll get much from lynching me today, which is unfortunate. Nobody is trying to defend me.

Also, is my ability really that dangerous? One could argue I have a roleblock in which three other people can see who my target is.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:18 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:13 pm "At some point, you may gain additional abilities."

I mean, you kinda have to take our word for it.
I mean the alternate is a vast conspiracy to deceive like two of us, since Alison seems to be in on it. And apparently Nutella might be in on something too. I'm the only person not in on anything. Weh.

Yeah, but why would four of us lie about something like that?

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:19 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:18 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:15 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:13 pm "At some point, you may gain additional abilities."

I mean, you kinda have to take our word for it.
I mean the alternate is a vast conspiracy to deceive like two of us, since Alison seems to be in on it. And apparently Nutella might be in on something too. I'm the only person not in on anything. Weh.
Yeah, but why would four of us lie about something like that?

Yeah I'm saying it's unlikely. I was just looking for information that could help figure out mechanics. The group block is a powerful tool, was trying to figure out if it was 1v1 what would happen.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:21 pm**

I don't think the group block is all that powerful.

The group side chat on the other hand is, especially since we get to chat at night.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:59 pm**

Well it’s not powerful now because it’s been coopted to target the town jailkeeper :P. But it’s basically a guaranteed town block if there are not two punk wolves.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:30 pm**

Sorry that I've been so inactive this game, y'all. I've been having a lot of trouble getting into this game.

The only thing I've got, which hasn't changed, is that I don't want to yeet TSP or Quin today.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:31 pm**

So, like, if we yeet someone today, we end up in LyLo tomorrow if a mafia kill goes through, right? Which means if Nutella is scum and Alison is town, all Nutella would have to do is shoot Alison and the mafia will win right?

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:43 pm**

I wonder if Trustworthy sent the note to Nutella to shoot Alison.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:45 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:43 pm I wonder if Trustworthy sent the note to Nutella to shoot Alison.

Because, like, the vibe I got from all the talking in punk chat the other night is that he had a feeling there was one scum between Nutella and Alison. Maybe he knows they are both town and sent the note to Nutella so that if Alison got shot and flipped town, Trustworthy would have an easier time pushing Nutella for it.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:47 pm**

In that world, I think {me, Quin, TSP, Nutella, Alison} are all town, which would leave a PoE of {TL, Marmot} ... and we think there are two mafia left?

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:48 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:47 pm In that world, I think {me, Quin, TSP, Nutella, Alison} are all town, which would leave a PoE of {TL, Marmot} ... and we think there are two mafia left?

The only issue I have with this, though, is that the interactions between TL and Marmot don't feel very partner-y. o:

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:53 pm**

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:31 pm So, like, if we yeet someone today, we end up in LyLo tomorrow if a mafia kill goes through, right? Which means if Nutella is scum and Alison is town, all Nutella would have to do is shoot Alison and the mafia will win right?

Her kill only Alison only applies to today I think. I imagine it would be a different person tomorrow.

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:54 pm**

*kill on Alison

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:09 pm**

No I think she would still be a "right person" in future days, it's not limited to today as I understand it

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:10 pm**

Anyway, yeah, I keep coming back to it just being TL/Marmot hopefully

Posted: **Tue Nov 03, 2020 10:00 pm**

I did some reading back through Vulgard's Day 1 posts. He had a lot to say about both TSP and Alison

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:23 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:18 am ...Wait. Why's Marmot selfvoting?
Why are you Marmotvoting?
Because I want Marmot to do something other than selfvote, although I suppose that me saying that now defeats the purpose of my vote.

Meh.

I'm not sure what to do about Poison. I'm in a weird situation here. I think her play this game has been close to her mafia play... in an off-site game I read, but NOT the last game I played with her here, when she was mafia and fooled me. I dislike the fact her reads seem rather forced, and she seems to be struggling to find her footing in this game. The biggest thing going for her right now is postcount, because it shows that she is not afraid of voicing her thoughts, but there hasn't really been anything in her posts that made me think "this must come from town." I'm also more paranoid of her scumgame after the last game we played.

Alison is town, because I think that her thought processes not only make perfect sense, but show a lack of TMI. I might be severely underestimating her scumgame, but I think the complexity of her thoughts would be difficult to replicate as mafia. I think that if she were mafia trying to fake these thoughts, the thoughts would make less sense. But what she is saying is cohesive, I understand where she is coming from (for the most part), and she is being fairly consistent. I wrote that I did not like her early townread on Long Con, and she mostly ignored it in a way I also found very towny. There is just this air of stubbornness and confidence around Alison which I really could hardly see as coming from mafia.

TSP is town because he's actually solving in this game and he wasn't really solving in his last one. Or at least, some of his posts looked like he was solving, which is a notable improvement in comparison to the last mafia game I have seen from him. That said, the read is getting weaker, because I'm starting to see him shift back to his "I do not actually care about solving" approach. I also find the lack of shitposting very odd. Could potentially be mafia overcompensating for how I caught him last game...?
For now, I think the differences are notable enough, and I think he still deserves a townread, but I can see a world where he's mafia trying to appease me specifically, since I caught him last game and got nightkilled right after. I didn't have 100% confidence in my last game read, but it was correct, and it makes sense for mafia!TSP to play specifically in a way to fool me here. Although, maybe I'm overestimating my potential impact.
I'm getting sidetracked. The conclusion here is that I'm still fairly confident TSP is town, but I do see a singular world where he's mafia. I don't really think he's mafia, though.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

I'm not going to get anything from Marmot if they always selfvote like this. Would still like to see more than a selfvote, though.

By the way, @Enrique; how new are you to the game? Or did you already say it and I missed it? There's a read I have on you which only applies in case you answer in a specific way. I'm not saying what it is yet.

This post in particular, he offered extended reads on the both of them. Vulgard did not however have much to say about Long Con, a pattern that we can also see with his handling of nutella. He really had nothing to say about her until he townread her for killing LC.

That said, nutella's handling of the Vulgard vote is a very good look for her,

I'm honestly having a hard time seeing any of the original players in this thread as being mafia right now.

Posted: **Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:49 am**

Hello, I won't have much time to be posting in this game today because I have about 10 responsibilities to juggle today. Ping me if something big happens, thanks.

Posted: **Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:39 am**

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:31 pm So, like, if we yeet someone today, we end up in LyLo tomorrow if a mafia kill goes through, right? Which means if Nutella is scum and Alison is town, all Nutella would have to do is shoot Alison and the mafia will win right?

Yeah I’ve noted this. There’s an obvious way out.

Posted: **Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:40 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:09 pm No I think she would still be a "right person" in future days, it's not limited to today as I understand it

Shouldn’t have said that, means town

Posted: **Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:42 am**

There have been like zero posts today. Feel like we’re getting sandbagged.

Posted: **Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:22 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:40 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:09 pm No I think she would still be a "right person" in future days, it's not limited to today as I understand it
Shouldn’t have said that, means town

I mean there's also more than one right person but i think alison is town and there may be another one that's mafia

Posted: **Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:16 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:42 am There have been like zero posts today. Feel like we’re getting sandbagged.

I have a low motivation have given my thoughts and everyone says am lock wolf do that motivation hasn't gotten bettter.
I went throught everything and explained mutiple reasonses for the most likely worlds and no one seems to care.

One of Marmot and Quinn was wolf i came into thread saying this and have been stating over and over.
AND YOU ALL SWITCHED TO TH AT THE LAST SECOND WHEN I HAD TO STEP AWAY AT EOD.

I am voting there today or you can vote me out and lose in LYLO tommorrow.
1 in Nutella/Alison (Leaning Alison)
1 in Marmot/Quinn (Leaning Marmot)

Posted: **Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:25 am**

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
Am going to sleep right now
Note: Game did get harder for me to play right now since my phone had its battery blow up and as such can't use it.

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