The Syndicate

To be clear I was never on LC.

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:51 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:40 am

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:07 am But yeah, I majored in wagonomic in undergrad guys I got this:

So LC is odd for getting a lot of votes and those votes kinda dissolving is a great look for Ellie if LC flips scum, and a bad look for people who switch off him, especially if they started the wagon.

If Ellie is bad clear spf, LC, and essoa. There’s no reason for a clump of votes to appear there from a baddie team, especially at this point

From this I get if Ellie is mafia LC is town and if LC is baddie Ellie is town.

Please update your reads accordingly.
More at 11.

I take issue with the bolded especially but this post more generally. I am one of the people who moved from LC to Ellie. Esooa and LC were already there. LC has every right to be there and never moved from himself to Ellie. Esooa had never voted LC either. So literally the only person who is voting for Ellie that was on LC is me. So you are essentially saying Ellie looks great if LC flips scum because Mac moved from LC to Ellie. This only makes sense if I am mafia but you aren't pushing me. This is a surface level analysis designed to bury LC and protect Ellie. You are mafia.

I have an easy gambit: bake LC today and if he flips town quick-bake me tomorrow, if he's mafia everyone is happy. I dont think there's much risk there for town.

And you should be happy with this unless youre partnered with LC, but like, people werent saying that at the beginning of the game were they?

[VOTE: LC] aubergine I think?
How do you feel about esooa??

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:51 am Do y’all think there’s a wolf in the group Alison Nutella Tutuu Mac?
Cuz like it would explain how confused I feel right now.

no

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:51 am Town Omega = Martin

Mafia Omega = Russtifinko

this post may be meaningless to 95% of you, but i’m framing a possible player archetype

*is the 5%*

yes

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:52 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:51 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:49 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:42 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:40 am

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:07 am But yeah, I majored in wagonomic in undergrad guys I got this:

So LC is odd for getting a lot of votes and those votes kinda dissolving is a great look for Ellie if LC flips scum, and a bad look for people who switch off him, especially if they started the wagon.

If Ellie is bad clear spf, LC, and essoa. There’s no reason for a clump of votes to appear there from a baddie team, especially at this point

From this I get if Ellie is mafia LC is town and if LC is baddie Ellie is town.

Please update your reads accordingly.
More at 11.

I take issue with the bolded especially but this post more generally. I am one of the people who moved from LC to Ellie. Esooa and LC were already there. LC has every right to be there and never moved from himself to Ellie. Esooa had never voted LC either. So literally the only person who is voting for Ellie that was on LC is me. So you are essentially saying Ellie looks great if LC flips scum because Mac moved from LC to Ellie. This only makes sense if I am mafia but you aren't pushing me. This is a surface level analysis designed to bury LC and protect Ellie. You are mafia.

i think it's possible he just like, had that thought and didn't necessarily match it up to the actual voters. like i have those sorts of ideas about wagons sometimes without taking the time to think through them to that detailed logical extent

It would be fine, weaksauce, but fine, of him to say it's sus the LC votes vanished. But to say it looks good for Ellie is red flags.

idk i think it's reasonable to get to that conclusion (ie scum directing toward a counterwagon to save lc, thus the cw is town)

Okay then I'll settle with his analysis is very wrong because the only person who moved from LC to Ellie is me and I am town.

Jay moved from LC to Made himself.

I can't remember who the 7th LC voter was. Maybe Tutuu?

Check im my Iso i posted in spoilers the wagons

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:52 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:50 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:43 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:40 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:38 am That "scum would be dunking on" read only applies to one player accurately in this game and it's DaughterOfOmega.

Im dumb pls explainerino

I consider her the least towny player in the game right now and most certainly the scummiest player who has been pushed the least. The absence of any concerted effort to push her = an absence of effort to mislynch her. If she were town there would be scummy people pushing onto her but I see literally none.

Meanwhile we have scummy people pushing on LC, SPF and Grogu. These are players who I would make the inverse read on at this time. Maybe Grogu as a stretch because that's the kinda slot a teammate would see and aw hell naw distance from essentially immediately.

hmm

ok i guess i follow

but have doom as townlean so meh

Tempted to sheep but also why?

the post that Alison keeps pointing to as one scum probably wouldn't make, along with some others from around the same time period, felt genuine

The problem with this is that I am scumreading Alison and my specific reason for scumreading Alison is because she called out an NAI Ellie post and emphasised how towny it was in a way that was very jarring to me.

Hey I got that reference

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:53 am

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:51 am Do y’all think there’s a wolf in the group Alison Nutella Tutuu Mac?
Cuz like it would explain how confused I feel right now.

no

the bolded

Also LC wasn’t “almost hammered,” don’t be so dramatic. He was still 3 votes away

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:53 am To be clear I was never on LC.

Aight sorry for the misrep.

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:51 am Do y’all think there’s a wolf in the group Alison Nutella Tutuu Mac?
Cuz like it would explain how confused I feel right now.

im starting to think Mac might be scum. I know that sounds crazy with his insane catch-up last night, but just based off what I've seen of him so far it seems like he had fun doing it, and probably thought it would be funny if he went that intense to get town read.

also, like, isoing him sucks so much dick because of all his posts lmao

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:51 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:46 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:43 am Meanwhile we have scummy people pushing on LC, SPF and Grogu. These are players who I would make the inverse read on at this time. Maybe Grogu as a stretch because that's the kinda slot a teammate would see and aw hell naw distance from essentially immediately.

who is pushing on grogu? to memory, i'm the only person here that's brought up grogu's name as a possibility for a d1 chop. that's why i think the "scum would be dunking on them right now" mindset may apply to him

I mean I would wager that since Grogu's entry, Grogu has been referred to as scum or POE at least once on every page by up to 50% of the playerlist at least. It's just been done in a dismissive fashion.

DoO is being handled differently.

it's possible that DoO is town that hasn't been pushed on by opportunistic mafia because the mafia is already opportunistically pushing on someone else

but gth i don't actually know who that would be

*gestures at the person you're voting for*

maybe

but do you actually think he's towntold?

oh I should say, we need to NOT hammer LC. Lets wait until tomorrow, im super interested how people vote between him and I.

I agree with jay and mac that *if* there's a wolf in the group made named, it would be Alison, but I'm not going there yet. If Ellie turns out to be scum, Alison's scum equity goes way up imo. They'd be pretty orange on a jaychart rn

ellie, you said earlier that you were 100% sure that there's a mafia within me and michelle

do you still feel that way? if so, why haven't you pursued or talked about that angle recently? it does not seem that your current reads are being influenced by the extremely confident read you outed like 24 hours ago

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:58 am I agree with jay and mac that *if* there's a wolf in the group made named, it would be Alison, but I'm not going there yet. If Ellie turns out to be scum, Alison's scum equity goes way up imo. They'd be pretty orange on a jaychart rn

Why not Tutuu?

Has anyone else experienced Nanook tinfoil

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:59 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:58 am I agree with jay and mac that *if* there's a wolf in the group made named, it would be Alison, but I'm not going there yet. If Ellie turns out to be scum, Alison's scum equity goes way up imo. They'd be pretty orange on a jaychart rn

Why not Tutuu?

because she's town

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:57 am oh I should say, we need to NOT hammer LC. Lets wait until tomorrow, im super interested how people vote between him and I.

Nobody will hammer, don't stress yourself with this

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:59 am Has anyone else experienced Nanook tinfoil

yes actually, but i concluded that there's no way for me to realistically catch him today if that's the case

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:59 am ellie, you said earlier that you were 100% sure that there's a mafia within me and michelle

do you still feel that way? if so, why haven't you pursued or talked about that angle recently? it does not seem that your current reads are being influenced by the extremely confident read you outed like 24 hours ago

nah im at lime 30% now. honestly i dont think either of you are but im too ego to completely admit i was at fault lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:52 am I can't remember who the 7th LC voter was. Maybe Tutuu?

Never voted LC. Michelle keeps periodic track of VCs, let me check.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:59 am Has anyone else experienced Nanook tinfoil

ngl I keep kinda forgetting he's in the game, which makes me want to think he's probably just town, but then again he turns out to have so many posts that it freaks me a little. but largely no. as usual he'll probably be in f3 either way lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:00 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:59 am Has anyone else experienced Nanook tinfoil

yes actually, but i concluded that there's no way for me to realistically catch him today if that's the case

fair

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why do you think your reads have been so against-the-grain so far?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:59 am Has anyone else experienced Nanook tinfoil

No, is funny to play with Nanook and I never saw him scum so I am waiting to understand him bettee before any tinfoil.
My town read on him is logical so i am sticking with it.

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:01 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:59 am ellie, you said earlier that you were 100% sure that there's a mafia within me and michelle

do you still feel that way? if so, why haven't you pursued or talked about that angle recently? it does not seem that your current reads are being influenced by the extremely confident read you outed like 24 hours ago

nah im at lime 30% now. honestly i dont think either of you are but im too ego to completely admit i was at fault lol

i was wolfreading you more and more and then you had to go and make a towny ass post like this

tutuu town
Mac town
nutella town
SPF town
Michelle town
DkKoba town
Esooa town

If this is correct it’s a solve

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:03 am

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:01 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:59 am ellie, you said earlier that you were 100% sure that there's a mafia within me and michelle

do you still feel that way? if so, why haven't you pursued or talked about that angle recently? it does not seem that your current reads are being influenced by the extremely confident read you outed like 24 hours ago

nah im at lime 30% now. honestly i dont think either of you are but im too ego to completely admit i was at fault lol

i was wolfreading you more and more and then you had to go and make a towny ass post like this

this post might come back to bite me if we live in an ellie!scum world, but ive found her recent output kind of towny

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:03 am tutuu town
Mac town
nutella town
SPF town
Michelle town
DkKoba town
Esooa town

If this is correct it’s a solve

i feel the least confident about the last 2 names (particularly esooa, especially if LC flips mafia), but our solves are similar

Has a “PSYCHE UR ALL TOWN” game ever happened on this site?

spf tell me about the LC/esooa link?

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:06 am Has a “PSYCHE UR ALL TOWN” game ever happened on this site?

no, bless the lawd

marmot ain’t do that

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:01 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:59 am ellie, you said earlier that you were 100% sure that there's a mafia within me and michelle

do you still feel that way? if so, why haven't you pursued or talked about that angle recently? it does not seem that your current reads are being influenced by the extremely confident read you outed like 24 hours ago

nah im at lime 30% now. honestly i dont think either of you are but im too ego to completely admit i was at fault lol

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:07 am

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:01 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:59 am ellie, you said earlier that you were 100% sure that there's a mafia within me and michelle

do you still feel that way? if so, why haven't you pursued or talked about that angle recently? it does not seem that your current reads are being influenced by the extremely confident read you outed like 24 hours ago

nah im at lime 30% now. honestly i dont think either of you are but im too ego to completely admit i was at fault lol

do you find that post wolfy because i had the opposite reaction

i mean i guess "walk back a suspicion" is a pretty level 1 thing to do to get townread and can be faked

but idk it felt legit

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:03 am

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:01 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:59 am ellie, you said earlier that you were 100% sure that there's a mafia within me and michelle

do you still feel that way? if so, why haven't you pursued or talked about that angle recently? it does not seem that your current reads are being influenced by the extremely confident read you outed like 24 hours ago

nah im at lime 30% now. honestly i dont think either of you are but im too ego to completely admit i was at fault lol

i was wolfreading you more and more and then you had to go and make a towny ass post like this

What’s towny in that post?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:06 am spf tell me about the LC/esooa link?

esooa has been shielding LC for the majority of the day and that roughly aligns w/how i suspect she would treat a partner under pressure (if she saw more viable chop options). i wanna keep some of the meta i have on her a secret, so i wont expand beyond that for now

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:09 am i mean i guess "walk back a suspicion" is a pretty level 1 thing to do to get townread and can be faked

but idk it felt legit

Felt like a backtracking needed because she was pressured

my stupid read is that the lol takes away 27% of the authenticity

At risk of target painting here is where I am at. I should probs point out that my reads are probably a little bit ... erm ... polarised I guess is the word. In that I have an easy world (LC, Grogu and co) and a hard world (Alison and who cares) that probably don't cross pollinate. At first I thought that all my homies were just outing themselves as town but the more I dwell and the more I read the more I worry that they have just levelled so much that I shouldn't really ever trust that kinda shit. Except for Nut, she's just town, sorry about your n1 death.

Alison: To borrow a term, Alison has town "markers" that sadly she is more than capable of "passing" as mafia and does not struggle to do so at all. To me Alison is revealed as mafia when she has to powerwolf. I believe I have seen some instances of her shifting into illogical positions briefly for the benefit of the mafia. I could be paranoid. I have her as a scumlean.

DaughterofOmega: I have no meta here obviously. I cannot immediately equate her playstyle to anyone else to apply like meta. However her threadfeel has been terse and a little bit negative (not in a bad way, she just feels negative) and that PROBABLY would be a meta tell if I knew anything about her but I do not. Applying general standards to her play, I don't feel like she has passed through any range "markers" or anything so she is POE. I have concerns about her handling from other players that lean into this tinfoil. Doesn't hurt that she seems to think I am mafia for some reason. Scumlean.

DKKoba: Kind of the inverse of DOO. I also have no meta here but they feel like an easy read tbh (sorry). Koba has this lighthearted threadfeel and air of confusion. I don't sense that there is any TMI or anything here. They just seem to be floating through the game au naturale. I have this person as a town lean.

Ellie: A little bit more of a townie threadfeel than Alison but I don't like their analysis and their choice of pushes. I have sensed no townie mindset in their reads and they lack solviness/feel more performative. Scumlean.

Esooa: I worry about her. I don't think she is out of her scumrange. I'm not sure that she ever will get out of her scumrange. Esooa needs to generate results and push onto mafia for me to issue her with a solid townread. I would say townlean though.

Grogu: Derp. I guess just like obvious mafia probably I dunno. I hate analysing slots like these because they just self resolve. Scum.

JaggedJimmyJay: I have agreed with most of Jay's takes. I have not sensed any effort from him to alter the course of things and the game has felt townsided so far. I reserve judgement a little because he kinda FEELS a bit like scum Jay (more light hearted, chill than usual) but the information says otherwise at this time. Town.

Long Con: Is in his scum range. Looks like scum LC. Getting up to 7 voters early in the day on day 1 is usually a major sign it's a townie though. Hectic spew off that wagon formation if this does flip mafia. Scum.

Mac: Hot hands sex man.

Made: I am gonna say town and contradict myself from a few mins ago. I think that his comment about me thinking he's in his scumrange was townie and probably townie enough to flip my read. Made feels scummy but keeps townslipping so that is probably... actually no that is very towny. Town.

Michelle: I think she is town unless she is part of a third mafia world where I haven't actually gotten to. I feel like getting stroppy and telling Esooa to behave is very towny lol.

Nook: Ehhhhoooo I think town. We'll see. Nah he's town. He said a thing or two that makes him just town. I don't like, read Nook on his pushes or whatever cuz he (like me) is super okay with being wrong and so if he has reads that differ to mine it means fuck all. His mindset is just there as town. He answered me a few times with towny answers. It's just town Nook again.

Nut: Old school mindmeld as fuck with this one. It's impossible for us to mindmeld if she is mafia. Literally lock town. If she is mafia I will I dunno do something drastic and embarrassing for everyone's amusement.

SPF: I was toddling along getting scumvibes in catch up and then I was like "wait I did this before then she was town" and then she suddenly was magically town. Then someone (I think it was Koba) was like "if you think SPF is mafia day 1 flip ur read it's magic" and I was like hey fuck that's so so true. Town.

Tutuu: See Esooa read. Reserved townlean.

Knock yourselves out kids.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:09 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:06 am spf tell me about the LC/esooa link?

esooa has been shielding LC for the majority of the day and that roughly aligns w/how i suspect she would treat a partner under pressure (if she saw more viable chop options). i wanna keep some of the meta i have on her a secret, so i wont expand beyond that for now

lol i just realized we both have meta on her. fun

Anyone working on a game solve I can peek at?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:03 am tutuu town
Mac town
nutella town
SPF town
Michelle town
DkKoba town
Esooa town

If this is correct it’s a solve

the part I like is that alison isn't in this

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:09 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:06 am spf tell me about the LC/esooa link?

esooa has been shielding LC for the majority of the day and that roughly aligns w/how i suspect she would treat a partner under pressure (if she saw more viable chop options). i wanna keep some of the meta i have on her a secret, so i wont expand beyond that for now

ok, interesting thank you

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:12 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:09 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:06 am spf tell me about the LC/esooa link?

esooa has been shielding LC for the majority of the day and that roughly aligns w/how i suspect she would treat a partner under pressure (if she saw more viable chop options). i wanna keep some of the meta i have on her a secret, so i wont expand beyond that for now

lol i just realized we both have meta on her. fun

I have very good meta too, tell me the things and I'll tell you the things.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:02 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:00 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:59 am Has anyone else experienced Nanook tinfoil

yes actually, but i concluded that there's no way for me to realistically catch him today if that's the case

fair

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why do you think your reads have been so against-the-grain so far?

Not sure! Could be cause I’m wrong, could be cause the game is harder than it seems, too early to really tell imo. Need some flips!

Oh! Right on time. Thanks Mac!

EllieDelight wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:55 am

Made wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:51 am Do y’all think there’s a wolf in the group Alison Nutella Tutuu Mac?
Cuz like it would explain how confused I feel right now.

im starting to think Mac might be scum. I know that sounds crazy with his insane catch-up last night, but just based off what I've seen of him so far it seems like he had fun doing it, and probably thought it would be funny if he went that intense to get town read.

also, like, isoing him sucks so much dick because of all his posts lmao

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:56 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:51 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:48 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:46 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:43 am Meanwhile we have scummy people pushing on LC, SPF and Grogu. These are players who I would make the inverse read on at this time. Maybe Grogu as a stretch because that's the kinda slot a teammate would see and aw hell naw distance from essentially immediately.

who is pushing on grogu? to memory, i'm the only person here that's brought up grogu's name as a possibility for a d1 chop. that's why i think the "scum would be dunking on them right now" mindset may apply to him

I mean I would wager that since Grogu's entry, Grogu has been referred to as scum or POE at least once on every page by up to 50% of the playerlist at least. It's just been done in a dismissive fashion.

DoO is being handled differently.

it's possible that DoO is town that hasn't been pushed on by opportunistic mafia because the mafia is already opportunistically pushing on someone else

but gth i don't actually know who that would be

*gestures at the person you're voting for*

maybe

but do you actually think he's towntold?

no

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:10 am my stupid read is that the lol takes away 27% of the authenticity

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 2:59 am Has anyone else experienced Nanook tinfoil

yes

but my nanook tinfoil came with nanook/jay tinfoil funnily enough lol