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What did H&V do to get outAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:32 pm Timsup2gettinserious is basically cleared unless you believe it is within Hyena's scum range to fake a borderline-angelshooty rolecard wording read as scum.
The most likely possibility is that the world is just simple, TAT is a wolf and the last two scums are within [FK/Mana/BT].
So, I talked to Syn, and he's okay with me revealing what happened to us last night.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:16 pm BT's 4 voters - Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough
Mana's 3 voters - Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions
TwoAndThrough's 4 voters - Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text
TSPIC voter - The Walrus
No voters - Falcon
Hmmm. The Walrus then dies? Only voter on the TSPIC wagon. Probably never a wolf kill they would make it's too obvious.
Mana wagon is very pure.
But Mana is voting for BT in a tie. If Mana wagon is pure >rand wolf and that means their vote is >rand on a town.
So if Mana is a wolf, and TAT WAS a wolf, then the other teammate is probably either trans rights or Akemi Hazelnut, or an absent FalconKnows I guess?
But Akemi Hazelnut is currently operating inside that very POE so it's almost certainly not them. Trans Rights also playing the POE game in a tight window.
Makes me think TAT is always a wolf. Which strongly clears all the TAT voters. But then why did none of them die? Why kill The Walrus? Perhaps @Bottom Text did you actually get an action in?
Doesn't QUITE stack up. So what if TAT AND BT are both town. The janitoring might be a passive (no flips til you die) wolf role maybe.
Mana wolf equity is through the roof no matter what. I take TSPIC and Julinook as town for it. I take the kill as pure wifom. I take the mafia teammates of mana to be probably Falcon and ONE active wolf in this case.
I think this makes the most sense. Falcon + someone getting more townreads, that isn't on the Mana wagon. I feel like ... Timsup2gettingserious profiles.
that was syn, not hyena, and i wouldn't rule it out.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:32 pm Timsup2gettinserious is basically cleared unless you believe it is within Hyena's scum range to fake a borderline-angelshooty rolecard wording read as scum.
The most likely possibility is that the world is just simple, TAT is a wolf and the last two scums are within [FK/Mana/BT].
^ This was written by Hyena (me).Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:35 pmSo, I talked to Syn, and he's okay with me revealing what happened to us last night.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:16 pm BT's 4 voters - Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough
Mana's 3 voters - Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions
TwoAndThrough's 4 voters - Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text
TSPIC voter - The Walrus
No voters - Falcon
Hmmm. The Walrus then dies? Only voter on the TSPIC wagon. Probably never a wolf kill they would make it's too obvious.
Mana wagon is very pure.
But Mana is voting for BT in a tie. If Mana wagon is pure >rand wolf and that means their vote is >rand on a town.
So if Mana is a wolf, and TAT WAS a wolf, then the other teammate is probably either trans rights or Akemi Hazelnut, or an absent FalconKnows I guess?
But Akemi Hazelnut is currently operating inside that very POE so it's almost certainly not them. Trans Rights also playing the POE game in a tight window.
Makes me think TAT is always a wolf. Which strongly clears all the TAT voters. But then why did none of them die? Why kill The Walrus? Perhaps @Bottom Text did you actually get an action in?
Doesn't QUITE stack up. So what if TAT AND BT are both town. The janitoring might be a passive (no flips til you die) wolf role maybe.
Mana wolf equity is through the roof no matter what. I take TSPIC and Julinook as town for it. I take the kill as pure wifom. I take the mafia teammates of mana to be probably Falcon and ONE active wolf in this case.
I think this makes the most sense. Falcon + someone getting more townreads, that isn't on the Mana wagon. I feel like ... Timsup2gettingserious profiles.
H&V loverized us last night. We've got a lover chat with them right now. I've been going back and forth whether I fully trust them or not because I don't understand why they thought we wouldn't be considered a potential NK after the amount of townreads we got D1?
Yeah, I can confirm that that was Syn, not me.trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:35 pmthat was syn, not hyena, and i wouldn't rule it out.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:32 pm Timsup2gettinserious is basically cleared unless you believe it is within Hyena's scum range to fake a borderline-angelshooty rolecard wording read as scum.
The most likely possibility is that the world is just simple, TAT is a wolf and the last two scums are within [FK/Mana/BT].
i think they're a villager for other reasons, but i don't think that's an impossible read to make as a wolf
~ninetales
I actually forgot H&V existed to be honest.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:34 pmWhat did H&V do to get outAkemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:32 pm Timsup2gettinserious is basically cleared unless you believe it is within Hyena's scum range to fake a borderline-angelshooty rolecard wording read as scum.
The most likely possibility is that the world is just simple, TAT is a wolf and the last two scums are within [FK/Mana/BT].
Was it some associative mess that I missed
WaitTimsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:35 pmSo, I talked to Syn, and he's okay with me revealing what happened to us last night.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:16 pm BT's 4 voters - Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough
Mana's 3 voters - Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions
TwoAndThrough's 4 voters - Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text
TSPIC voter - The Walrus
No voters - Falcon
Hmmm. The Walrus then dies? Only voter on the TSPIC wagon. Probably never a wolf kill they would make it's too obvious.
Mana wagon is very pure.
But Mana is voting for BT in a tie. If Mana wagon is pure >rand wolf and that means their vote is >rand on a town.
So if Mana is a wolf, and TAT WAS a wolf, then the other teammate is probably either trans rights or Akemi Hazelnut, or an absent FalconKnows I guess?
But Akemi Hazelnut is currently operating inside that very POE so it's almost certainly not them. Trans Rights also playing the POE game in a tight window.
Makes me think TAT is always a wolf. Which strongly clears all the TAT voters. But then why did none of them die? Why kill The Walrus? Perhaps @Bottom Text did you actually get an action in?
Doesn't QUITE stack up. So what if TAT AND BT are both town. The janitoring might be a passive (no flips til you die) wolf role maybe.
Mana wolf equity is through the roof no matter what. I take TSPIC and Julinook as town for it. I take the kill as pure wifom. I take the mafia teammates of mana to be probably Falcon and ONE active wolf in this case.
I think this makes the most sense. Falcon + someone getting more townreads, that isn't on the Mana wagon. I feel like ... Timsup2gettingserious profiles.
H&V loverized us last night. We've got a lover chat with them right now. I've been going back and forth whether I fully trust them or not because I don't understand why they thought we wouldn't be considered a potential NK after the amount of townreads we got D1?
Occam's Razortrans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:37 pm so h&v correctly guessed mac's flavor AND is a loverizer? my gut reaction is that's a little farfetched but i have no idea why h&v thought mac's flavor was what it was.
This is what I thought, too, and H&V didn't really give me a satisfying reason why they didn't go for someone in the PoE.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:38 pm Why would you ever lover a townread and not a scumread?
Surely the correct play is to loverize someone in the POE so you get a free red flip if you ever die?
Yep, pretty much.
unfortunately it seems unavoidable if h&v is actually a wolf unless im misunderstanding how the role works?
Lovers apparently get mason chat.trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:40 pm you always loverize a scumread there's no value to the role otherwise
that feels fairly self-evident?
~mawile
not opposed.
To be fair, nobody really believed my Vig claim (especially considering that the actual Vig basically soft-counterclaimed me in response and died :P).Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:44 pmLovers apparently get mason chat.trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:40 pm you always loverize a scumread there's no value to the role otherwise
that feels fairly self-evident?
~mawile
But if you're using loverizer as a neighborizer you should at least neighborize a townread you don't think will get NKed, and Hyena/Syn were consensus townread yesterday. I could see someone wanting mason chat with a mid tier townread like julinooks or something, but the consensus townread that claimed vigilante in the thread is a pretty sketchy loverize target.
not on walrus noPoop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:16 pm Why kill The Walrus? Perhaps @Bottom Text did you actually get an action in?
"wow that sure is probably just town gavial"
probably a village role if H&V forced themselves into the relationshipTimsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:35 pmSo, I talked to Syn, and he's okay with me revealing what happened to us last night.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:16 pm BT's 4 voters - Akemi Hazelnut, Mana, trans rights, TwoAndThrough
Mana's 3 voters - Julinook, TonyStarkPlaysItCool, Poop Explosions
TwoAndThrough's 4 voters - Timsup2gettinserious, Toopy and Binoo, Honey & Vinegar, Bottom Text
TSPIC voter - The Walrus
No voters - Falcon
Hmmm. The Walrus then dies? Only voter on the TSPIC wagon. Probably never a wolf kill they would make it's too obvious.
Mana wagon is very pure.
But Mana is voting for BT in a tie. If Mana wagon is pure >rand wolf and that means their vote is >rand on a town.
So if Mana is a wolf, and TAT WAS a wolf, then the other teammate is probably either trans rights or Akemi Hazelnut, or an absent FalconKnows I guess?
But Akemi Hazelnut is currently operating inside that very POE so it's almost certainly not them. Trans Rights also playing the POE game in a tight window.
Makes me think TAT is always a wolf. Which strongly clears all the TAT voters. But then why did none of them die? Why kill The Walrus? Perhaps @Bottom Text did you actually get an action in?
Doesn't QUITE stack up. So what if TAT AND BT are both town. The janitoring might be a passive (no flips til you die) wolf role maybe.
Mana wolf equity is through the roof no matter what. I take TSPIC and Julinook as town for it. I take the kill as pure wifom. I take the mafia teammates of mana to be probably Falcon and ONE active wolf in this case.
I think this makes the most sense. Falcon + someone getting more townreads, that isn't on the Mana wagon. I feel like ... Timsup2gettingserious profiles.
H&V loverized us last night. We've got a lover chat with them right now. I've been going back and forth whether I fully trust them or not because I don't understand why they thought we wouldn't be considered a potential NK after the amount of townreads we got D1?
Doubt they were wolf.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:32 pm Timsup2gettinserious is basically cleared unless you believe it is within Hyena's scum range to fake a borderline-angelshooty rolecard wording read as scum.
The most likely possibility is that the world is just simple, TAT is a wolf and the last two scums are within [FK/Mana/BT].
I'm kinda nervous about how eager you are to call H&V wolf. :S I'm still unsure of it myself, even if I fully agree with you that their decision to loverize us is suspicious. The reason I wanted to do it was because Mac gave a 4-person PoE that included me AND H&V in it, and that if both of us did end up V/V, then he's probably full of shit and maybe mafia.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:47 pm The question of why you would ever use your loverizer ability like this as town still points to H&V as a wolf regardless of rolecop whatever though. They can be a wolf that blind guessed Poop's flavor too.
this post feels disheveled in a way i find wolfy. the bolded specifically feels less like a constant stream of thought and more so just riffing. i believe i noticed a post from long con in inception mafia that was similar, so it could be a wolftell.Mana wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 5:45 amcan't speak for dana, but a lot of my thoughts don't seem to be related to what the rest of thread seems worried about. Dana said that she feels like the last 10 pages of show of thread have been just rehashing the same stuff again and again, and I agree. Normally I don't get too into games until someone tries to push me against a wall, so i appreciate TT's attempt to relate me to transrights. as far as that goes, I think they're observation of the how easy it would of been to push my slot if TR was scum, which is leading me to think they're prob town
from there, my (made) town reads are
transrights
julinook
Timsuptosynena
top scum read is prob.... falconknows. I believe their emoji thing was fun, because emojis are very fun, but they also claimed my flavor so.....bottom might also be bad, but that's just a unsubstanciated vibe. TPic is also giving me bad vibes, but nothing i can commit to.
in terms of trying to push the thread somewhere, let's try a group activity: In groups of two (you can use your hydra partner) create your town core, and top 3 scum
annnnddd go!!!!!!!
why is it a wolf role, minus the bad target
The way I see it is that there are three things loverizer does.Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:50 pmI'm kinda nervous about how eager you are to call H&V wolf. :S I'm still unsure of it myself, even if I fully agree with you that their decision to loverize us is suspicious. The reason I wanted to do it was because Mac gave a 4-person PoE that included me AND H&V in it, and that if both of us did end up V/V, then he's probably full of shit and maybe mafia.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:47 pm The question of why you would ever use your loverizer ability like this as town still points to H&V as a wolf regardless of rolecop whatever though. They can be a wolf that blind guessed Poop's flavor too.
Why would they perform 2 actions in 1 night?Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:45 pm If H&V received Poop's flavor due to their rolecop scumbuddy why the fuck would they ever bring it up or admit it in thread
I’d stab him here because he claimed 2 actions.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:53 pm Even if H&V's a wolf we don't stab him here in case there's some anti-lover role.
And again all the "but why would scum" questions are meet with significantly stronger "but why would town" questions.
No, I haven't claimed anything
Mhm.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:53 pmThe way I see it is that there are three things loverizer does.Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:50 pmI'm kinda nervous about how eager you are to call H&V wolf. :S I'm still unsure of it myself, even if I fully agree with you that their decision to loverize us is suspicious. The reason I wanted to do it was because Mac gave a 4-person PoE that included me AND H&V in it, and that if both of us did end up V/V, then he's probably full of shit and maybe mafia.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:47 pm The question of why you would ever use your loverizer ability like this as town still points to H&V as a wolf regardless of rolecop whatever though. They can be a wolf that blind guessed Poop's flavor too.
a) If someone else dies, you also die.
b) If you die, someone else also dies.
c) You get to chat with someone else behind the scenes.
a) is obviously pure downside. Therefore when choosing a loverizer target you'd pick either b) or c). If it's b) then you'd pick a scumread, so picking you doesn't make sense. If it's c) then you'd pick a townread, but a townread that is unlikely to get shot in the night due to a). In that scenario picking you doesn't make sense either.
That's why I have a hard time seeing the loverizer action as coming from town.
Alright, alright. Urist told me in our chat though that he thought there were others that were more likely to be NK'd over me. He didn't tell me who or why they were more likely to die over me, but it sounded like he had reasons? I'd want to hear them before allowing you guys to kill the both of us.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:53 pmThe way I see it is that there are three things loverizer does.Timsup2gettinserious wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:50 pmI'm kinda nervous about how eager you are to call H&V wolf. :S I'm still unsure of it myself, even if I fully agree with you that their decision to loverize us is suspicious. The reason I wanted to do it was because Mac gave a 4-person PoE that included me AND H&V in it, and that if both of us did end up V/V, then he's probably full of shit and maybe mafia.Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:47 pm The question of why you would ever use your loverizer ability like this as town still points to H&V as a wolf regardless of rolecop whatever though. They can be a wolf that blind guessed Poop's flavor too.
a) If someone else dies, you also die.
b) If you die, someone else also dies.
c) You get to chat with someone else behind the scenes.
a) is obviously pure downside. Therefore when choosing a loverizer target you'd pick either b) or c). If it's b) then you'd pick a scumread, so picking you doesn't make sense. If it's c) then you'd pick a townread, but a townread that is unlikely to get shot in the night due to a). In that scenario picking you doesn't make sense either.
That's why I have a hard time seeing the loverizer action as coming from town.
Oh right.
He claimed 0Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:54 pmI’d stab him here because he claimed 2 actions.Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:53 pm Even if H&V's a wolf we don't stab him here in case there's some anti-lover role.
And again all the "but why would scum" questions are meet with significantly stronger "but why would town" questions.