Coffia (Coffee Mafia) [END]

[staypositivefriend]

i mean if both of you are town then you should both start deciding that LC is a wolf and we can move on with our lives

would you bank the game on gira being town?

[alexa]

SPF wolfreads Gira right

[Lime Coke]

So I'm interested in the fact that LC has expressed possibly no reads

You're right, most I did today was pressure Alexa, I don't have an etiquette at all for LYLO since this is maybe the 2nd time I was in LYLO as town? The first time (EM Themed Game) 1 of the mafia members was outed and the second just open wolfed.

I'm trying to observe and figure things out. I feel like this game is actually kinda big for me right now and I don't want to be wrong.

[Gira]

@Gira -

fwiw, i'm not really comfortable with you labeling me as being part of a "clique" and insinuating that i dislike you or have some kind of issue with you. wev'e been running in the same mafia circles with each other since i was 14 years old and i've always assumed that we mutually respect and enjoy playing with each other, so i'm not really sure why this game feels so oddly personal and heated. we can talk about it more in the post-game, but i want to make it clear that i really do not have an issue with you

i did not have any issue with you prior to this game

i think my issue with the dynamics of how things have played out is self-evident

i have more to say about this but i will hold my tongue for now

i don't care to drag any more mud onto the boards of the syndicate people than i have already (and, massive apologies to them) but i sort of have to express what i think is going on

above all else i'm just frustrated that this game would create an issue between us, but it's something that i dont see any benefit in discussing publicly

i mean if you're mafia it's whatever but if you're town i've found it deeply frustrating. which happens, it's not the end of the world

[TonyStarkPrime]

i mean if both of you are town then you should both start deciding that LC is a wolf and we can move on with our lives

would you bank the game on gira being town?

no

[TonyStarkPrime]

well not for another 18 hours or so

[Lime Coke]

therefore wolf team is SPF/LC

Read my Day 1 there's no way I try to wolf case SPF immediately if she's my teammate.

[staypositivefriend]

SPF wolfreads Gira right

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

[TonyStarkPrime]

So I'm interested in the fact that LC has expressed possibly no reads

You're right, most I did today was pressure Alexa, I don't have an etiquette at all for LYLO since this is maybe the 2nd time I was in LYLO as town? The first time (EM Themed Game) 1 of the mafia members was outed and the second just open wolfed.

I'm trying to observe and figure things out. I feel like this game is actually kinda big for me right now and I don't want to be wrong.

I appreciate your observation but I'd recommend that you try being a more active participant

[Lime Coke]

Trying to.

[Lime Coke]

SPF wolfreads Gira right

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

Why's that?

[TonyStarkPrime]

sounds good

[TonyStarkPrime]

SPF wolfreads Gira right

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

Why's that?

we're both trying to force an SPF/gira cross despite the fact that we have no professed game solutions

[Gira]

@Gira -

fwiw, i'm not really comfortable with you labeling me as being part of a "clique" and insinuating that i dislike you or have some kind of issue with you. wev'e been running in the same mafia circles with each other since i was 14 years old and i've always assumed that we mutually respect and enjoy playing with each other, so i'm not really sure why this game feels so oddly personal and heated. we can talk about it more in the post-game, but i want to make it clear that i really do not have an issue with you

i did not have any issue with you prior to this game

i think my issue with the dynamics of how things have played out is self-evident

i have more to say about this but i will hold my tongue for now

i don't care to drag any more mud onto the boards of the syndicate people than i have already (and, massive apologies to them) but i sort of have to express what i think is going on

above all else i'm just frustrated that this game would create an issue between us, but it's something that i dont see any benefit in discussing publicly

i mean if you're mafia it's whatever but if you're town i've found it deeply frustrating. which happens, it's not the end of the world

(and ftr, i have been considering the possibility of you as town despite my earlier words)

[Lime Coke]

SPF wolfreads Gira right

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

Why's that?

we're both trying to force an SPF/gira cross despite the fact that we have no professed game solutions

This is both being as real as possible and kind of hilarious.

[TonyStarkPrime]

ok I've never played with gira except possibly in a turbo and so I'm going to need someone to provide a player profile sooner rather than later pls

read:
is this in their wheelhouse as a wolf
and
is this in their wheelhouse as w/w with spf

[alexa]

SPF wolfreads Gira right

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

lol okay

[alexa]

fwiw the only times i've felt toward spf "if you're town, what you're doing is frustrating AF" she's been mafia

[alexa]

ok I've never played with gira except possibly in a turbo and so I'm going to need someone to provide a player profile sooner rather than later pls

read:
is this in their wheelhouse as a wolf
and
is this in their wheelhouse as w/w with spf

i've never seen gira as wolf but i skim-specced a game they were wolf in and had them as town so i know they're a good wolf

i don't think this is in their wheelhouse as w/w with spf but

brb actually i will look into it more

[Gira]

ok I've never played with gira except possibly in a turbo and so I'm going to need someone to provide a player profile sooner rather than later pls

read:
is this in their wheelhouse as a wolf
and
is this in their wheelhouse as w/w with spf

i don't particularly know what "this" is referring to but i have absolutely leaned into frustration/emotional stuff as mafia in the past, the thing about EM was that it was a chat game with 10 minute deadlines on open setups so it forced kind of a memorization of going through the motions and faking tonal notes and leaning into feelings and all that

i probably don't pull back if we're leaning into cross-bussing today but you have to sip on that wifom

[Lime Coke]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ack-Clover

This was the most recent Gira wolf game.

He did start off with an intense theater with his partner...I don't think this was on purpose or planned from what I remember? But either way he could argue pretty well with his teammates in game.

[staypositivefriend]

SPF wolfreads Gira right

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

Why's that?

the fact that alexa is still alive in the f5 could be indicative of her being a deepwolf. when i pair that with the fact that she has been not-so-subtly trying to steer the rest of the game into pushing on me and positioning herself to end the day with her vote on me, it's pretty easy to see her as a deepwolf that is playing with the specific agenda to get me killed today. i also think the fact that her read on gira shifted as unnaturally (IMO) as it did could be indicative of her trying to pocket him and steer him into voting for me

esooa/CR/TSP has strongly towntold throughout a lot of this game, but the bulk of my reasoning to townread them boils down to: "emotion", which is the type of thing that i tend to misclear people for more often than not. if i remove "emotion" from the picture, i'm not really sure if i have any compelling reasons to townread the TSP slot. TSP has been explicitly egging on gira's scumread on me and outright trying to get him to vote for me, which also aligns with the agenda of a wolf that's trying to win the game today by getting me killed

above all else, the thing that makes me suspicious of an alexa/TSP team is that their treatment of gira has an interesting synchronicity to it. both of them have been treating gira in a pockety, overly cloying way and both of them have been subtly trying to push gira into voting for me (or in TSP's case, he is also quite possibly trying to get gira to vote for lime coke as well). the way that alexa and TSP are treating gira feels oddly strategic to me, which could be indicative of them just being mafia together

[Gira]

that was because insaner started pre-emptively bussing me and i got pissed at it

[staypositivefriend]

fwiw the only times i've felt toward spf "if you're town, what you're doing is frustrating AF" she's been mafia

whatttt? this is so not true lol, i can recall you getting frustrated by me in the last game we played together (the hydra game) because i was fixated on your read on me

[Gira]

did i say i'm stepping away again? i did not. i'm stepping away again

[Lime Coke]

that was because insaner started pre-emptively bussing me and i got pissed at it

I did remember correctly then.

[alexa]

SPF wolfreads Gira right

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

Why's that?

the fact that alexa is still alive in the f5 could be indicative of her being a deepwolf. when i pair that with the fact that she has been not-so-subtly trying to steer the rest of the game into pushing on me and positioning herself to end the day with her vote on me, it's pretty easy to see her as a deepwolf that is playing with the specific agenda to get me killed today. i also think the fact that her read on gira shifted as unnaturally (IMO) as it did could be indicative of her trying to pocket him and steer him into voting for me

esooa/CR/TSP has strongly towntold throughout a lot of this game, but the bulk of my reasoning to townread them boils down to: "emotion", which is the type of thing that i tend to misclear people for more often than not. if i remove "emotion" from the picture, i'm not really sure if i have any compelling reasons to townread the TSP slot. TSP has been explicitly egging on gira's scumread on me and outright trying to get him to vote for me, which also aligns with the agenda of a wolf that's trying to win the game today by getting me killed

above all else, the thing that makes me suspicious of an alexa/TSP team is that their treatment of gira has an interesting synchronicity to it. both of them have been treating gira in a pockety, overly cloying way and both of them have been subtly trying to push gira into voting for me (or in TSP's case, he is also quite possibly trying to get gira to vote for lime coke as well). the way that alexa and TSP are treating gira feels oddly strategic to me, which could be indicative of them just being mafia together

what do you feel about us (me/you) both having the same exact view of TSP then?

[alexa]

fwiw the only times i've felt toward spf "if you're town, what you're doing is frustrating AF" she's been mafia

whatttt? this is so not true lol, i can recall you getting frustrated by me in the last game we played together (the hydra game) because i was fixated on your read on me

i wasn't really frustrated, just confused

the only time you really tilted me was in Reflections

[staypositivefriend]

SPF wolfreads Gira right

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

Why's that?

the fact that alexa is still alive in the f5 could be indicative of her being a deepwolf. when i pair that with the fact that she has been not-so-subtly trying to steer the rest of the game into pushing on me and positioning herself to end the day with her vote on me, it's pretty easy to see her as a deepwolf that is playing with the specific agenda to get me killed today. i also think the fact that her read on gira shifted as unnaturally (IMO) as it did could be indicative of her trying to pocket him and steer him into voting for me

esooa/CR/TSP has strongly towntold throughout a lot of this game, but the bulk of my reasoning to townread them boils down to: "emotion", which is the type of thing that i tend to misclear people for more often than not. if i remove "emotion" from the picture, i'm not really sure if i have any compelling reasons to townread the TSP slot. TSP has been explicitly egging on gira's scumread on me and outright trying to get him to vote for me, which also aligns with the agenda of a wolf that's trying to win the game today by getting me killed

above all else, the thing that makes me suspicious of an alexa/TSP team is that their treatment of gira has an interesting synchronicity to it. both of them have been treating gira in a pockety, overly cloying way and both of them have been subtly trying to push gira into voting for me (or in TSP's case, he is also quite possibly trying to get gira to vote for lime coke as well). the way that alexa and TSP are treating gira feels oddly strategic to me, which could be indicative of them just being mafia together

what do you feel about us (me/you) both having the same exact view of TSP then?

the fact that you scumread TSP but you aren't pushing on him is only adding to my paranoia that the two of you might be teamed together

it is EXTREMELY common for wolves in LYLO situations to scumread two players, one town and one mafia, and then push on the town more than they push on the mafia. this is how i caught wolves in LYLO on epicmafia like 99% of the time, by just forcing them to out two scumreads and then seeing who they pushed on more lol

[TonyStarkPrime]

SPF wolfreads Gira right

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

Why's that?

the fact that alexa is still alive in the f5 could be indicative of her being a deepwolf. when i pair that with the fact that she has been not-so-subtly trying to steer the rest of the game into pushing on me and positioning herself to end the day with her vote on me, it's pretty easy to see her as a deepwolf that is playing with the specific agenda to get me killed today. i also think the fact that her read on gira shifted as unnaturally (IMO) as it did could be indicative of her trying to pocket him and steer him into voting for me

esooa/CR/TSP has strongly towntold throughout a lot of this game, but the bulk of my reasoning to townread them boils down to: "emotion", which is the type of thing that i tend to misclear people for more often than not. if i remove "emotion" from the picture, i'm not really sure if i have any compelling reasons to townread the TSP slot. TSP has been explicitly egging on gira's scumread on me and outright trying to get him to vote for me, which also aligns with the agenda of a wolf that's trying to win the game today by getting me killed

above all else, the thing that makes me suspicious of an alexa/TSP team is that their treatment of gira has an interesting synchronicity to it. both of them have been treating gira in a pockety, overly cloying way and both of them have been subtly trying to push gira into voting for me (or in TSP's case, he is also quite possibly trying to get gira to vote for lime coke as well). the way that alexa and TSP are treating gira feels oddly strategic to me, which could be indicative of them just being mafia together

what do you feel about us (me/you) both having the same exact view of TSP then?

the fact that you scumread TSP but you aren't pushing on him is only adding to my paranoia that the two of you might be teamed together

it is EXTREMELY common for wolves in LYLO situations to scumread two players, one town and one mafia, and then push on the town more than they push on the mafia. this is how i caught wolves in LYLO on epicmafia like 99% of the time, by just forcing them to out two scumreads and then seeing who they pushed on more lol

look you lose to me/alexa something like 600 percent of the time so please maybe think about other players the second paragraph might apply to

[alexa]

SPF wolfreads Gira right

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

Why's that?

the fact that alexa is still alive in the f5 could be indicative of her being a deepwolf. when i pair that with the fact that she has been not-so-subtly trying to steer the rest of the game into pushing on me and positioning herself to end the day with her vote on me, it's pretty easy to see her as a deepwolf that is playing with the specific agenda to get me killed today. i also think the fact that her read on gira shifted as unnaturally (IMO) as it did could be indicative of her trying to pocket him and steer him into voting for me

esooa/CR/TSP has strongly towntold throughout a lot of this game, but the bulk of my reasoning to townread them boils down to: "emotion", which is the type of thing that i tend to misclear people for more often than not. if i remove "emotion" from the picture, i'm not really sure if i have any compelling reasons to townread the TSP slot. TSP has been explicitly egging on gira's scumread on me and outright trying to get him to vote for me, which also aligns with the agenda of a wolf that's trying to win the game today by getting me killed

above all else, the thing that makes me suspicious of an alexa/TSP team is that their treatment of gira has an interesting synchronicity to it. both of them have been treating gira in a pockety, overly cloying way and both of them have been subtly trying to push gira into voting for me (or in TSP's case, he is also quite possibly trying to get gira to vote for lime coke as well). the way that alexa and TSP are treating gira feels oddly strategic to me, which could be indicative of them just being mafia together

what do you feel about us (me/you) both having the same exact view of TSP then?

the fact that you scumread TSP but you aren't pushing on him is only adding to my paranoia that the two of you might be teamed together

it is EXTREMELY common for wolves in LYLO situations to scumread two players, one town and one mafia, and then push on the town more than they push on the mafia. this is how i caught wolves in LYLO on epicmafia like 99% of the time, by just forcing them to out two scumreads and then seeing who they pushed on more lol

i think we've shown a similar hesitancy to push TSP though is my point? whereas Gira is straight-up locking him as town - and the reasoning i brought up hesitancy on TSP is virtually identical to you

[staypositivefriend]

SPF wolfreads Gira right

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

Why's that?

the fact that alexa is still alive in the f5 could be indicative of her being a deepwolf. when i pair that with the fact that she has been not-so-subtly trying to steer the rest of the game into pushing on me and positioning herself to end the day with her vote on me, it's pretty easy to see her as a deepwolf that is playing with the specific agenda to get me killed today. i also think the fact that her read on gira shifted as unnaturally (IMO) as it did could be indicative of her trying to pocket him and steer him into voting for me

esooa/CR/TSP has strongly towntold throughout a lot of this game, but the bulk of my reasoning to townread them boils down to: "emotion", which is the type of thing that i tend to misclear people for more often than not. if i remove "emotion" from the picture, i'm not really sure if i have any compelling reasons to townread the TSP slot. TSP has been explicitly egging on gira's scumread on me and outright trying to get him to vote for me, which also aligns with the agenda of a wolf that's trying to win the game today by getting me killed

above all else, the thing that makes me suspicious of an alexa/TSP team is that their treatment of gira has an interesting synchronicity to it. both of them have been treating gira in a pockety, overly cloying way and both of them have been subtly trying to push gira into voting for me (or in TSP's case, he is also quite possibly trying to get gira to vote for lime coke as well). the way that alexa and TSP are treating gira feels oddly strategic to me, which could be indicative of them just being mafia together

what do you feel about us (me/you) both having the same exact view of TSP then?

the fact that you scumread TSP but you aren't pushing on him is only adding to my paranoia that the two of you might be teamed together

it is EXTREMELY common for wolves in LYLO situations to scumread two players, one town and one mafia, and then push on the town more than they push on the mafia. this is how i caught wolves in LYLO on epicmafia like 99% of the time, by just forcing them to out two scumreads and then seeing who they pushed on more lol

look you lose to me/alexa something like 600 percent of the time so please maybe think about other players the second paragraph might apply to

i care more about solving the game correctly than i do about winning

[alexa]

SPF wolfreads Gira right

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

Why's that?

the fact that alexa is still alive in the f5 could be indicative of her being a deepwolf. when i pair that with the fact that she has been not-so-subtly trying to steer the rest of the game into pushing on me and positioning herself to end the day with her vote on me, it's pretty easy to see her as a deepwolf that is playing with the specific agenda to get me killed today. i also think the fact that her read on gira shifted as unnaturally (IMO) as it did could be indicative of her trying to pocket him and steer him into voting for me

esooa/CR/TSP has strongly towntold throughout a lot of this game, but the bulk of my reasoning to townread them boils down to: "emotion", which is the type of thing that i tend to misclear people for more often than not. if i remove "emotion" from the picture, i'm not really sure if i have any compelling reasons to townread the TSP slot. TSP has been explicitly egging on gira's scumread on me and outright trying to get him to vote for me, which also aligns with the agenda of a wolf that's trying to win the game today by getting me killed

above all else, the thing that makes me suspicious of an alexa/TSP team is that their treatment of gira has an interesting synchronicity to it. both of them have been treating gira in a pockety, overly cloying way and both of them have been subtly trying to push gira into voting for me (or in TSP's case, he is also quite possibly trying to get gira to vote for lime coke as well). the way that alexa and TSP are treating gira feels oddly strategic to me, which could be indicative of them just being mafia together

what do you feel about us (me/you) both having the same exact view of TSP then?

the fact that you scumread TSP but you aren't pushing on him is only adding to my paranoia that the two of you might be teamed together

it is EXTREMELY common for wolves in LYLO situations to scumread two players, one town and one mafia, and then push on the town more than they push on the mafia. this is how i caught wolves in LYLO on epicmafia like 99% of the time, by just forcing them to out two scumreads and then seeing who they pushed on more lol

look you lose to me/alexa something like 600 percent of the time so please maybe think about other players the second paragraph might apply to

this is not going to help people tinfoiling us smh

[staypositivefriend]

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

Why's that?

the fact that alexa is still alive in the f5 could be indicative of her being a deepwolf. when i pair that with the fact that she has been not-so-subtly trying to steer the rest of the game into pushing on me and positioning herself to end the day with her vote on me, it's pretty easy to see her as a deepwolf that is playing with the specific agenda to get me killed today. i also think the fact that her read on gira shifted as unnaturally (IMO) as it did could be indicative of her trying to pocket him and steer him into voting for me

esooa/CR/TSP has strongly towntold throughout a lot of this game, but the bulk of my reasoning to townread them boils down to: "emotion", which is the type of thing that i tend to misclear people for more often than not. if i remove "emotion" from the picture, i'm not really sure if i have any compelling reasons to townread the TSP slot. TSP has been explicitly egging on gira's scumread on me and outright trying to get him to vote for me, which also aligns with the agenda of a wolf that's trying to win the game today by getting me killed

above all else, the thing that makes me suspicious of an alexa/TSP team is that their treatment of gira has an interesting synchronicity to it. both of them have been treating gira in a pockety, overly cloying way and both of them have been subtly trying to push gira into voting for me (or in TSP's case, he is also quite possibly trying to get gira to vote for lime coke as well). the way that alexa and TSP are treating gira feels oddly strategic to me, which could be indicative of them just being mafia together

what do you feel about us (me/you) both having the same exact view of TSP then?

the fact that you scumread TSP but you aren't pushing on him is only adding to my paranoia that the two of you might be teamed together

it is EXTREMELY common for wolves in LYLO situations to scumread two players, one town and one mafia, and then push on the town more than they push on the mafia. this is how i caught wolves in LYLO on epicmafia like 99% of the time, by just forcing them to out two scumreads and then seeing who they pushed on more lol

look you lose to me/alexa something like 600 percent of the time so please maybe think about other players the second paragraph might apply to

i care more about solving the game correctly than i do about winning

actually i guess that's a lie, i care more about winning in the sense that i would rather solve a game incorrectly and still win then solve the game correctly but end up losing

but the fact that you/alexa being the team means that town loses 99% of the time doesnt mean i'm not going to pursue it if i feel like it's true

[Lime Coke]

I was going to say he's spouting the team as a joke and it's probably the team in actuality.

[staypositivefriend]

SPF wolfreads Gira right

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

Why's that?

the fact that alexa is still alive in the f5 could be indicative of her being a deepwolf. when i pair that with the fact that she has been not-so-subtly trying to steer the rest of the game into pushing on me and positioning herself to end the day with her vote on me, it's pretty easy to see her as a deepwolf that is playing with the specific agenda to get me killed today. i also think the fact that her read on gira shifted as unnaturally (IMO) as it did could be indicative of her trying to pocket him and steer him into voting for me

esooa/CR/TSP has strongly towntold throughout a lot of this game, but the bulk of my reasoning to townread them boils down to: "emotion", which is the type of thing that i tend to misclear people for more often than not. if i remove "emotion" from the picture, i'm not really sure if i have any compelling reasons to townread the TSP slot. TSP has been explicitly egging on gira's scumread on me and outright trying to get him to vote for me, which also aligns with the agenda of a wolf that's trying to win the game today by getting me killed

above all else, the thing that makes me suspicious of an alexa/TSP team is that their treatment of gira has an interesting synchronicity to it. both of them have been treating gira in a pockety, overly cloying way and both of them have been subtly trying to push gira into voting for me (or in TSP's case, he is also quite possibly trying to get gira to vote for lime coke as well). the way that alexa and TSP are treating gira feels oddly strategic to me, which could be indicative of them just being mafia together

what do you feel about us (me/you) both having the same exact view of TSP then?

the fact that you scumread TSP but you aren't pushing on him is only adding to my paranoia that the two of you might be teamed together

it is EXTREMELY common for wolves in LYLO situations to scumread two players, one town and one mafia, and then push on the town more than they push on the mafia. this is how i caught wolves in LYLO on epicmafia like 99% of the time, by just forcing them to out two scumreads and then seeing who they pushed on more lol

i think we've shown a similar hesitancy to push TSP though is my point? whereas Gira is straight-up locking him as town - and the reasoning i brought up hesitancy on TSP is virtually identical to you

yeah, we have shown a similar hesitancy to push on TSP, but i don't really understand the point that you're making. if youre town then FYPOV i guess it makes sense that you might think me/TSP work as a team for similar reasoning that i think you/TSP work as a team

[Lime Coke]

Like the Esooa/Alexa stuff Day 2 could've been a light distance in that "We're just going to get in a slight battle but back off immediately" type of thing.

[Lime Coke]

@Gira

When you're back what is your thought on the TSP slot as a whole?

[alexa]

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game

Why's that?

the fact that alexa is still alive in the f5 could be indicative of her being a deepwolf. when i pair that with the fact that she has been not-so-subtly trying to steer the rest of the game into pushing on me and positioning herself to end the day with her vote on me, it's pretty easy to see her as a deepwolf that is playing with the specific agenda to get me killed today. i also think the fact that her read on gira shifted as unnaturally (IMO) as it did could be indicative of her trying to pocket him and steer him into voting for me

esooa/CR/TSP has strongly towntold throughout a lot of this game, but the bulk of my reasoning to townread them boils down to: "emotion", which is the type of thing that i tend to misclear people for more often than not. if i remove "emotion" from the picture, i'm not really sure if i have any compelling reasons to townread the TSP slot. TSP has been explicitly egging on gira's scumread on me and outright trying to get him to vote for me, which also aligns with the agenda of a wolf that's trying to win the game today by getting me killed

above all else, the thing that makes me suspicious of an alexa/TSP team is that their treatment of gira has an interesting synchronicity to it. both of them have been treating gira in a pockety, overly cloying way and both of them have been subtly trying to push gira into voting for me (or in TSP's case, he is also quite possibly trying to get gira to vote for lime coke as well). the way that alexa and TSP are treating gira feels oddly strategic to me, which could be indicative of them just being mafia together

what do you feel about us (me/you) both having the same exact view of TSP then?

the fact that you scumread TSP but you aren't pushing on him is only adding to my paranoia that the two of you might be teamed together

it is EXTREMELY common for wolves in LYLO situations to scumread two players, one town and one mafia, and then push on the town more than they push on the mafia. this is how i caught wolves in LYLO on epicmafia like 99% of the time, by just forcing them to out two scumreads and then seeing who they pushed on more lol

i think we've shown a similar hesitancy to push TSP though is my point? whereas Gira is straight-up locking him as town - and the reasoning i brought up hesitancy on TSP is virtually identical to you

yeah, we have shown a similar hesitancy to push on TSP, but i don't really understand the point that you're making. if youre town then FYPOV i guess it makes sense that you might think me/TSP work as a team for similar reasoning that i think you/TSP work as a team

i mean you're presenting this as me/TSP being W/W because i'm throwing him in a pair without pushing on him while i'm echoing your exact reasonings (Crichard emotional stuff ) for feeling reluctant to push there AND saying that now that it's LYLO i feel like the stakes are higher so i'm looking for additional reasons to townread the slot, like i feel like that is such to a Tee what you just said that you would consider that a bit more and interact with it rather than "Alexa/TSP W/W"

[alexa]

Like the Esooa/Alexa stuff Day 2 could've been a light distance in that "We're just going to get in a slight battle but back off immediately" type of thing.

you should reread Esooa ISO then

and tbh my ISO early game

[TonyStarkPrime]

isn't it odd that I, self-proclaimed "really good Alexa reader", has not expressed a single read on alexa?

[alexa]

also @staypositivefriend you said that w!Esooa hard defends her partners, but Esooa pushed on me early game and kept pulling up reasons not to townread me?

[alexa]

isn't it odd that I, self-proclaimed "really good Alexa reader", has not expressed a single read on alexa?

not really, you didn't express a read on me in pokemash either

[Lime Coke]

I should read Esooa's iso tbh.

[TonyStarkPrime]

shut up partner

[TonyStarkPrime]

wait you were in pokemash?

[alexa]

this is me viciously trying to defend myself while TSP is making us look more W/W, ok lol

[alexa]

wait you were in pokemash?

as ducklett yes, you subbed in and said "yeah i'm not opening that ISO"

[Lime Coke]

Esooa was one of the people trying to stop a Wilgy wagon for reasons of "He's always getting yeeted Day 1."

Annnd TSP was calling himself a good Falcon reader and misvoted him.

[alexa]

if it wasn't LYLO i would find this pretty hilarious