The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:49 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:44 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:41 pm Who isnt voting here?
Abigail, S~V~S, LoRab, ts account, Bereft

Is this just the team?

[Abigail, S~V~S, LoRab, ts account]

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:49 pm**

Okay, having mostly read up, S~V~S/Princess Abigail/Michelle have all looked better to me so I kinda voted someone who hasn't improved that much honestly for me, at least looking page by page

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:50 pm**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:49 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:44 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:41 pm Who isnt voting here?
Abigail, S~V~S, LoRab, ts account, Bereft
Is this just the team?

[Abigail, S~V~S, LoRab, ts account]

lorab / ts acconut

no vote yesterday as well. Fuck it. I really want JJJ but double no vote is unacceptable

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:50 pm**

Id rather lose the game and vote no votes

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:50 pm**

I was kinda getting cold feet on Abigail admittedly

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:50 pm**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:49 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:44 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:41 pm Who isnt voting here?
Abigail, S~V~S, LoRab, ts account, Bereft
Is this just the team?

[Abigail, S~V~S, LoRab, ts account]

I have that as a viable team, sure. I think there are some questions about Abigail/S~V~S fitting together, but my confidence in that isn't high.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:52 pm**

The unfortunate truth of this game:

If the inactive players are town, I'm not sure we can win. This game is already essentially at endgame if they never vote. Mafia could stack as though it's final elimination.

Hopefully they join/rejoin soon if they're town.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:52 pm**

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:50 pm I was kinda getting cold feet on Abigail admittedly

I am sure you've indicated before, but I am kind of workshopping things in my head. Could you tell me your current impressions of Bereft and robyn?

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:55 pm**

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Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:57 pm**

Fyuck no, we are not meeting another afk slot back to back

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:58 pm**

I'd quicker toss Bereft, SVS or Jay.

Do not toss the afk slot two days in a row, please.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:01 pm**

I have Michelle and LoRab as approximately equal mafia prospects, so on that basis I'd rather vote out the one with posts.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:01 pm**

Stop letting Robyn, Thunal and Michelle yeet afk slots for free.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:02 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:52 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:50 pm I was kinda getting cold feet on Abigail admittedly
I am sure you've indicated before, but I am kind of workshopping things in my head. Could you tell me your current impressions of Bereft and robyn?

robyn is probably technically the towniest person here, I have liked their solving and they have not pinged me, I was kinda offput day 1 by them just playing differently in general, but they are playing in the best interest of town today IMO

Being a person who has wolfcased Bereft correctly Bereft once, doesn't feel like his wolf game and I also think...

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:34 am Sge didn't even get to comment on to the part where I named her as part of a team with the 2 ppl she did bother to half-@$$edly defend recently, so Im going to assume that ya know.

Im probably just right ofc, why I would assume anything else.

this sort of self-righteousness is towny to me

I think Bereft's dynamic with robyn is probably towny unless w/w which I honestly highly doubt because of how on the nose they have been supporting each other

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:02 pm**

Some agenda ass shit if I've ever seen it.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:02 pm**

Poll runs till Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:30 pm
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option

‪☆Princess Abigail☆‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
bereft
1
9%
Voters: Scotty
‪Cape90‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪DarlingMonroe‬
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No votes
Voters: None
‪DrWilgy‬
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No votes
Voters: None
‪JaggedJimmyJay‬
1
9%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
‪LoRab‬
4
36%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Michelle, robyn, Thunal33
‪Michelle‬
2
18%
Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, DrWilgy
‪robyn‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪RondoDimBuckle‬
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No votes
Voters: None
‪Scotty‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪S~V~S‬
1
9%
Voters: Cape90
‪Thunal33‬
0
No votes
Voters: None
‪ts account‬
0
No votes
Voters: None

2
18%
Voters: Bereft, Roxy

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:03 pm**

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:02 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:52 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:50 pm I was kinda getting cold feet on Abigail admittedly
I am sure you've indicated before, but I am kind of workshopping things in my head. Could you tell me your current impressions of Bereft and robyn?
robyn is probably technically the towniest person here, I have liked their solving and they have not pinged me, I was kinda offput day 1 by them just playing differently in general, but they are playing in the best interest of town today IMO

Being a person who has wolfcased Bereft correctly Bereft once, doesn't feel like his wolf game and I also think...

Bereft wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:34 am Sge didn't even get to comment on to the part where I named her as part of a team with the 2 ppl she did bother to half-@$$edly defend recently, so Im going to assume that ya know.

Im probably just right ofc, why I would assume anything else.
this sort of self-righteousness is towny to me

I think Bereft's dynamic with robyn is probably towny unless w/w which I honestly highly doubt because of how on the nose they have been supporting each other

Thanks for expanding. I keep poking my town read pile with a stick and ending up where I started.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:05 pm**

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:50 pm I really don't like DM's vote.

btw DrWilgy

Is this comment why you didn't add DarlingMonroe on your list of the voters on LoRab?

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:07 pm**

I agree with Wilgy. Michelle is a better choice than LoRab. Let's go that route.

They're both deeply in the POE. They both fit on a ton of teams. Neither of them has extensively hunted. Michelle's most significant hunting resulted in a vote for... LoRab. Michelle was the Day 1 counterwagon. It's just a better choice.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:11 pm**

There's also been more resistance to voting out Michelle. I don't take a ton of stock in that personally, but it is still worth mention. Everyone is fine killing LoRab, so like

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:12 pm**

Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:55 pm Lorab doesn't have many posts, but the impression is she is a great person fighting for a heart breaking cause.

From a mafia Pov she didn't accept someone trusting her, saying she is more comfy with being scum read.
This is psychologically interesting because mafia would want to not lead the way by saying 'trust me' only to have a mischop, and it helps the player to positiom themselves in the null part of the reads which is a good spot for mafia to be in. This, for me, is suspicious.

She explained in a wall the playstyle of the old Syndicate community who made me approach this site and stay for so many years already, enjoying these games a lot.
But that wall has no alignament indicative value for me, just explains she has a different playstyle.

The biggest game related post is a reads wall with a couple of town reads and the explanation of why she doesn't believe in reads lists. Again this gives me the impressions of avoidance and it's wolfy.

Conclusion: I understand why she is in the Poe and I agree with the votes on the slot.

I feel like this says a lot of nothing looking back at it...

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:12 pm**

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:05 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:50 pm I really don't like DM's vote.
btw DrWilgy

Is this comment why you didn't add DarlingMonroe on your list of the voters on LoRab?

Darling didn't yeet Seanzoe last cycle.

It's just those 3 goobers that have taken poor back to back yeets.

If Michelle wants me to not vote there and feels the need to self pres, it should be through someone who's not LoRab. Even if LoRab is wolf, Michelle should find a teammate and vote there as it's still an infinitely better option.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:15 pm**

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:36 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 1:38 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:27 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 7:26 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 09, 2023 3:59 am Rondo all that “keeping me in check” is omgusing my suspicions after giving me the easiest town read I have ever received.
what do you mean by this? You clearly don't think Thunal is super towny unless i am misinterpreting what you are saying
I was referring to Michelle in that comment. Rondo made an argument for why Michelle's responses to me at EOD1 were towny, and that was my counter.
Your conclusion was and is rushed and limited by the fact I didn't have time to explain it at all.
I started to play 5 years ago as noob player, with low English reading/writing skills, but with a life experience who let me the possibility to understand things unspoken behind the words. It felt thrilling to find words to defend myself while I was accused of being the bad guy. As mafia, I didn't even have to do much because my mafia rands were not many so my start in forum mafia was to be villager again and again.
My homie who restarted the mafia section in our forum sent me to MU to play the Mentor mentee game in january 2019. My mentor is a legendary player and he mentored me after playing 12 years of mafia.
I was always paranoid playing with Momstrman, he is now retired, maybe turbo-ing from time to time, but at one moment I learned to read him by a small trick.
Because he is retired and also because he is not a Syndicate regular I can tell you about this trick, otherwise I hate to show my shortcuts for reading someone.
My mentor was always mentoring town when he was town giving advice for the play in general. As mafia he wasn't doing it. And I started to notice that at other very strong players as well.
You were doing it in our finale game and your start here made me write that post because I considered your advice useful for town.
I don't even believe it's the easiest town read you ever had. It's just a take I posted to see what feedback I receive from it. You speculated the rest. Made from it more than it was, imaginated the omgua when I said it's not set in stone.
A read made by game experience can be a bad or a good read, and i am always starting somewhere where an idea pops in my head, which is exactly what I did with the town read on you.
I think this comes from a town mindset. It's one of those things where most mafia don't even think that in depth about that kind of read.

JJJ did you give ur opinion on this POV?

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:15 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:12 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:05 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:50 pm I really don't like DM's vote.
btw DrWilgy

Is this comment why you didn't add DarlingMonroe on your list of the voters on LoRab?
Darling didn't yeet Seanzoe last cycle.

It's just those 3 goobers that have taken poor back to back yeets.

If Michelle wants me to not vote there and feels the need to self pres, it should be through someone who's not LoRab. Even if LoRab is wolf, Michelle should find a teammate and vote there as it's still an infinitely better option.

huh all those ppl were on seanzie?

if so, maybe ur onto something

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:16 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:01 pm Stop letting Robyn, Thunal and Michelle yeet afk slots for free.

Cape / Michelle / Robyn / Scotty / Bereft / Thunal - Seanzie
DM / Michelle / Robyn / Thunal / JJJ - Michelle

You're saying the whole wolf team is Michelle / Robyn / Thunal + ?

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:16 pm**

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:15 pm JJJ did you give ur opinion on this POV?

I spoke briefly with Thunal about her accommodating responses to S~V~S and Michelle, and that's one of them. It's something I find iffy about Thunal. And I don't think Michelle's explanation about her mentor was alignment indicative.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:17 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:07 pm I agree with Wilgy. Michelle is a better choice than LoRab. Let's go that route.

They're both deeply in the POE. They both fit on a ton of teams. Neither of them has extensively hunted. Michelle's most significant hunting resulted in a vote for... LoRab. Michelle was the Day 1 counterwagon. It's just a better choice.

So it is correct to yeet the counter wagon?

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:17 pm**

I want DrWilgy to be my dad for the rest of the game.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:19 pm**

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:17 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:07 pm I agree with Wilgy. Michelle is a better choice than LoRab. Let's go that route.

They're both deeply in the POE. They both fit on a ton of teams. Neither of them has extensively hunted. Michelle's most significant hunting resulted in a vote for... LoRab. Michelle was the Day 1 counterwagon. It's just a better choice.
So it is correct to yeet the counter wagon?

I think "correct" is the wrong word. That implies objectivity, and objectivity does not exist in this framework. People use words like that too much in Mafia. It's "correct" to vote out a red check of a confirmed cop. That would be true.

But I think she's the best vote at the moment, and having been the Day 1 counterwagon is one part of that (not the whole thing).

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:21 pm**

[VOTE: Michelle ] aubergine

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:21 pm**

I am about to get busy, so I cant be sitting on my vanity wagon. I reserve the right to say I told you so on JJJ

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:23 pm**

@DarlingMonroe how do you feel about joining us with a Michelle vote? We have champagne.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:34 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:23 pm @DarlingMonroe how do you feel about joining us with a Michelle vote? We have champagne.

How about you, @Cape90? There are cheddar cubes and toothpicks on the counter.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:56 pm**

fell asleep

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:57 pm**

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:56 pmfell asleep

I think voting Michelle is the move. How do you feel about that?

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:59 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:22 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:13 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 2:11 pm you’re getting cold feet, no?
Better to say I am considering whether I should have cold feet. My reads are my reads. Everything can be easy to bias though when half the game isn’t posting.
the reason i’m not is because the townreads are good, otherwise i would be tunneling you
Without looking at my review, off the top of your head, why is DM town?

sorta the main read i'm sheeping u and bereft on, her suspecting bereft was nice because without knowing him he's very easy to suspect, opaque as you said

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:00 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:57 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 7:56 pmfell asleep
I think voting Michelle is the move. How do you feel about that?

i'll join you, none of her posts screamed towny, even though they didn't scream outed wolf

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:09 pm**

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:16 pm I like SVS's re entrance. A lack of self-pres and I actually like that she's not pushing anywhere and doesn't have scumreads since her chances of survival are higher if she made a push.

this game feels hard again

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:12 pm**

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:09 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:16 pm I like SVS's re entrance. A lack of self-pres and I actually like that she's not pushing anywhere and doesn't have scumreads since her chances of survival are higher if she made a push.
this game feels hard again

What's the typical dynamic (or describe one instance) when you're town and Bereft is not?

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:13 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:29 pm However, if there's mafia deep in my town reads, Bereft might be more logical. I've liked his posts for vaguer reasons, and he is so easy to attach to certain suspects like S~V~S. robyn could just be wrong about him. God reads are junk.

flip the poe whatever which way, but i'm explicitly telling you that cape and bereft are town, otherwise i'm amendable

scotty and wigly suspecting bereft gives me goosebumps

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:14 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:12 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:09 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:16 pm I like SVS's re entrance. A lack of self-pres and I actually like that she's not pushing anywhere and doesn't have scumreads since her chances of survival are higher if she made a push.
this game feels hard again
What's the typical dynamic (or describe one instance) when you're town and Bereft is not?

fucker can't post

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Test-Game

me scum bereft (schweppes) town

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Season-10

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:15 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 3:23 pm @Bereft could you please estimate your confidence in robyn’s townhood?

Infinite/1

I'm not playing around here.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:22 pm**

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:50 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:49 pm I've really liked Bereft's mindset all day and I think his process mirrors mine in a lot of ways.
He can still be wolf just playing really well. Best wolfs know exactly how to come across as town

yeah this is just pure

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:23 pm**

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:55 pm This wagon is awful

lorab wagon?

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:23 pm**

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:51 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 5:50 pm I really don't like DM's vote.
I wanna pressure Bereft.

Sorry but everyone who ever tries this fails. Doubly so if I'm town.

I think suspecting me if you read only my posts today is 100% a thing that happens but its also extremely ill-advised because smth smth Robyn smth smth.

Game do be weird like that.

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:24 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:10 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 6:08 pm Which I will cast at EoD
I have never seen you do this in my life.

Changing things up

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:25 pm**

Hey hey hey hey hey

Umm

Hey

We should really REALLY kill michelle here

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:25 pm**

Like frfr

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:25 pm**

Okay bye

Posted: **Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:26 pm**

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 10, 2023 8:14 pm fucker can't post

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Test-Game

me scum bereft (schweppes) town

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Season-10

I did some quick CTRL+Fs of both of these.

robyn town/Bereft mafia --> robyn's initial read was backwards before eventually (and abruptly) shifting to correct. Did not die until cycle 6, Bereft until cycle 7

Bereft town/robyn mafia --> Bereft's read wrong for first three cycles at least. robyn eliminated day 4 (no Bereft vote) and Bereft day 6

How do each of you reconcile this? It doesn't exactly suggest reliable reads.

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