The Syndicate

It's not me. But atp i don't know who would be a better option, anyway.

Well
I don't love that Davos hasn't returned in like two days
I say you guys might wanna do something about that and root out the puppetmaster after I die
I don't think we need to waste today on a sock puppet, but if Davos's owner is happy with the threadstate then they're probably a wolf after all

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:26 pm Well
I don't love that Davos hasn't returned in like two days
I say you guys might wanna do something about that and root out the puppetmaster after I die
I don't think we need to waste today on a sock puppet, but if Davos's owner is happy with the threadstate then they're probably a wolf after all

That last part I take back, the threadstate is very weird but there's only 2 votes on me. So there's ample room for wagons to change, meaning wolves will probably still be on edge.

I just have this weird expectation that Davos is gonna pop outta nowhere at EoD, go "arrr" and probably vote me

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:34 pm I just have this weird expectation that Davos is gonna pop outta nowhere at EoD, go "arrr" and probably vote me

Primarily because I have no idea anymore who the puppetmaster is, assuming they're a player in the game, but it's not me so I'm probably their safest vote

I'll stop doomerposting and find something else to do

I'm ngl I thought eod was in like an hour from now cause I was used to it being at 7 pm Eastern time, and forgot again that I'm not on eastern time anymore and that 7 pm here is not eod

I have enough time to do some more digging before then

delta's mafia tbh ngl imo btw

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:53 pm delta's mafia tbh ngl imo btw

fwiw sig and delta have both been weird and vacant today tbh imo ngl btw afaik

I don't have the bandwidth to be as systematic as I would like.

TSP's posts in relation to falcon are blatantly terrible (mine were too). Rico accused falcon on the basis of this rather directly, I'd say (based on my interpretation of the pictures), while Rico's treatment of me was more open ended.

There's nothing in his posts about Lemon or Rico.

Lemon defended TSP from a leetic accusation.

++++

TSP also defended pyxxy in the West Wing.

++++

TSP could be paired with either team.

They were at each other until the numbers thing popped up, Sig dropped in with suspicion on 3/4 choices and Delta's like 'hold me to catching up' and I'm like 'how'? and then they haven't had anything since.

[VOTE: MR] aubergine

I still haven't fully dove into Nutella/WWA and I need to.

Between them, the desire to vote for Nook's legacy is real, but I also don't know how I feel about TSP just kinda voting there without much else. TSP's vote's have been questionable at best until I know if I'm correct on MR or not.

Also the paranoia from the counts being wrong I get from Nut, but not so much from MR, especially the self vote.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:41 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:36 pm Are we sure there aren't more wolves from the West?

Like from a design standpoint I see the symmetry but it does feel a bit of an advantage to town to have things so evenly split for situations exactly like this. It creates an artifical PoE.

I think we have abit of time before we really need to ask this question.

Unless we think there was 5/5 or 4/5 but that seems skewed given the player count and multiple 3ps.

This is the kind of take that gets me in trouble but it really feels like we're saying "hey, don't look at me or my thread anymore." When that is still just the correct thing to do numbers wise.

Had we kept to the correct assumed numbers in severance we would've hit W Rondo.

Yes I knew that's how my post would be read and I posted it anyway.

and like, I think I've stated all the things that ping me about your slot so far so I keep pushing myself in circles going deeper into my bias.

But like, why didn't you preface your statement with this if you knew it already? Were we hoping it wouldn't be brought up and waited to see?

AND since I'm kinda just brain vomitting, I do keep asking myself 'what if the Alison cw was pure' and I keep getting back to 'it wasn't'

Brad had at least 1 wolf in Lemonfairy,

Alison was civ, had 2 other civ votes and MR

ALL other off wagon votes were thrown by town with the exception of Davos on Nut.

SO, were ALL mafia on just Brad in a nice little clump?

bleh, I'm not getting anywhere different. I'm gonna iso Nut and WWA now.

My power's out. I only have however much battery is left in my phone and laptop, so I may not be able to be too terribly active until this is resolved.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 3:06 pm My power's out. I only have however much battery is left in my phone and laptop, so I may not be able to be too terribly active until this is resolved.

Wait, I can't use my laptop, because I have no WiFi. And my mobile data's slow as balls; it took 15 minutes for this page to load. Anyway, [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine, couldn't look into it too deeply but they seem like they have the highest chance of flipping wolf right now. Sorry I can't do any more this phase (unless the power miraculously come back), I can't control when we have shit weather.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 3:06 pm My power's out. I only have however much battery is left in my phone and laptop, so I may not be able to be too terribly active until this is resolved.

thats rough, hope you get a resolution soon \o/

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:34 pm I just have this weird expectation that Davos is gonna pop outta nowhere at EoD, go "arrr" and probably vote me

I dont think Davos' vote is really weighted?

Whoever's behind the account doesnt seem to use it all that much aside from voting so it comes across a little fake, especially if its purely on the polls and not in the thread itself

could just be used to bulk up votes more than anything?

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 3:23 pm couldn't look into it too deeply but they seem like they have the highest chance of flipping wolf right now.

There's another one.

The hell is with this game?

Nut, Leetic, Sig, MR have all expressed 'I guess W just has to be Wilgy' without anything else.

Hell, MR who's likely the wolf with reasons I've put out that no one will even question or interact with for some reason, has barely interacted with me and has decided to just take the omgus route following me pushing him.

It really just leaves me asking, is yeeting me just easy and that's why it's preferable?

At least WWA gave reason when they expressed it being in PoE based on Brad's list. That's better.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:43 pm Nut, Leetic, Sig, MR have all expressed 'I guess W just has to be Wilgy' without anything else.

Hell, MR who's likely the wolf with reasons I've put out that no one will even question or interact with for some reason, has barely interacted with me and has decided to just take the omgus route following me pushing him.

It really just leaves me asking, is yeeting me just easy and that's why it's preferable?

I'm here if you want to get a back and forth going, I'm going through past games of the current wolf flips o/

which is pretty boring ;_; but at the very least I want to have a table of 'arbiter/landlords' and try work off that.

Evenings are my main opportunity to sit down and go through things so I'm lagging behind regardless, so some livetime solving would be great for me too \o/

I'm ngl I feel like voting Wilgy is not the way to go anymore

I'm super sick and super tired but I still wanna do some more thinking and solving while I can
Not sure if I'll be around for eod but I'd like to make use of my time while I'm here

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:43 pm Nut, Leetic, Sig, MR have all expressed 'I guess W just has to be Wilgy' without anything else.

Hell, MR who's likely the wolf with reasons I've put out that no one will even question or interact with for some reason, has barely interacted with me and has decided to just take the omgus route following me pushing him.

It really just leaves me asking, is yeeting me just easy and that's why it's preferable?

Yeah but Nutella is still voting me, not you

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:48 pm I'm super sick and super tired but I still wanna do some more thinking and solving while I can
Not sure if I'll be around for eod but I'd like to make use of my time while I'm here

get well soon \o/

same thing to you, if you have any thoughts you want to run through I'm around if you want to talk

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:49 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:48 pm I'm super sick and super tired but I still wanna do some more thinking and solving while I can
Not sure if I'll be around for eod but I'd like to make use of my time while I'm here

get well soon \o/

same thing to you, if you have any thoughts you want to run through I'm around if you want to talk

Did you get a chance to look through West Facility interactions yet?
If not, it's fine, I think we're yeeting in East today anyway but I've kinda run dry on things to look for there because I've gone through the thread several times already, so I thought maybe I should put my energy towards solving the other half of the game just for good measure, in case I flip today.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:51 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:49 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:48 pm I'm super sick and super tired but I still wanna do some more thinking and solving while I can
Not sure if I'll be around for eod but I'd like to make use of my time while I'm here

get well soon \o/

same thing to you, if you have any thoughts you want to run through I'm around if you want to talk

Did you get a chance to look through West Facility interactions yet?
If not, it's fine, I think we're yeeting in East today anyway but I've kinda run dry on things to look for there because I've gone through the thread several times already, so I thought maybe I should put my energy towards solving the other half of the game just for good measure, in case I flip today.

kinda what I'm running through with looking through prior games, but I can grab a summary for you now & then run back over them when I'm done with these \o/

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:46 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:43 pm Nut, Leetic, Sig, MR have all expressed 'I guess W just has to be Wilgy' without anything else.

Hell, MR who's likely the wolf with reasons I've put out that no one will even question or interact with for some reason, has barely interacted with me and has decided to just take the omgus route following me pushing him.

It really just leaves me asking, is yeeting me just easy and that's why it's preferable?

I'm here if you want to get a back and forth going, I'm going through past games of the current wolf flips o/

which is pretty boring ;_; but at the very least I want to have a table of 'arbiter/landlords' and try work off that.

Evenings are my main opportunity to sit down and go through things so I'm lagging behind regardless, so some livetime solving would be great for me too \o/

I mean, I keep trying to throw it out there and discuss how my brain is working around the MR suspicion I have, do you have thoughts there?

In terms of thread PoE we have WWA, Nut, MR.

While I don't think MR could be an Arbiter I do think there's a high chance for Landlord based on polling.

I haven't explored WWA's likelyhood for Arbiter, but have seen others express that there's a firm possibility. WWA doesn't make sense as a Landlord.

I haven't explored Nutella's likelyhood for Arbiter, nor have I really seen others express it, so I'd almost write it off. Nutella has higher equity as landlord, but I still think it's unlikely. What keeps me circling back to Nutella is the weird preflipping done and Nook's read of the slot.

So,
Arbiters: WWA, Nut
LL: MR

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:52 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:51 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:49 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:48 pm I'm super sick and super tired but I still wanna do some more thinking and solving while I can
Not sure if I'll be around for eod but I'd like to make use of my time while I'm here

get well soon \o/

same thing to you, if you have any thoughts you want to run through I'm around if you want to talk

Did you get a chance to look through West Facility interactions yet?
If not, it's fine, I think we're yeeting in East today anyway but I've kinda run dry on things to look for there because I've gone through the thread several times already, so I thought maybe I should put my energy towards solving the other half of the game just for good measure, in case I flip today.

kinda what I'm running through with looking through prior games, but I can grab a summary for you now & then run back over them when I'm done with these \o/

Sure, thanks!

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:58 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:46 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:43 pm Nut, Leetic, Sig, MR have all expressed 'I guess W just has to be Wilgy' without anything else.

Hell, MR who's likely the wolf with reasons I've put out that no one will even question or interact with for some reason, has barely interacted with me and has decided to just take the omgus route following me pushing him.

It really just leaves me asking, is yeeting me just easy and that's why it's preferable?

I'm here if you want to get a back and forth going, I'm going through past games of the current wolf flips o/

which is pretty boring ;_; but at the very least I want to have a table of 'arbiter/landlords' and try work off that.

Evenings are my main opportunity to sit down and go through things so I'm lagging behind regardless, so some livetime solving would be great for me too \o/

I mean, I keep trying to throw it out there and discuss how my brain is working around the MR suspicion I have, do you have thoughts there?

In terms of thread PoE we have WWA, Nut, MR.

While I don't think MR could be an Arbiter I do think there's a high chance for Landlord based on polling.

I haven't explored WWA's likelyhood for Arbiter, but have seen others express that there's a firm possibility. WWA doesn't make sense as a Landlord.

I haven't explored Nutella's likelyhood for Arbiter, nor have I really seen others express it, so I'd almost write it off. Nutella has higher equity as landlord, but I still think it's unlikely. What keeps me circling back to Nutella is the weird preflipping done and Nook's read of the slot.

So,
Arbiters: WWA, Nut
LL: MR

Huh, if anything I would've written off Nut as an arbiter. I don't think she would've been so insistent on townreading falcon and then push me for pushing her based on that, if she were teamed with falcon. Plus she had fairly consistent suspicion on Lemon.

Also, what makes me unlikely to be a landlord? I don't think I've done anything to clear myself in that regard, other than that one reply I got from Brad, but Nutella thinks it makes me look more partnered. Meaning, there's nothing clearing there.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 1:46 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:45 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:41 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:36 pm Are we sure there aren't more wolves from the West?

Like from a design standpoint I see the symmetry but it does feel a bit of an advantage to town to have things so evenly split for situations exactly like this. It creates an artifical PoE.

I think we have abit of time before we really need to ask this question.

Unless we think there was 5/5 or 4/5 but that seems skewed given the player count and multiple 3ps.

This is the kind of take that gets me in trouble but it really feels like we're saying "hey, don't look at me or my thread anymore." When that is still just the correct thing to do numbers wise.

Had we kept to the correct assumed numbers in severance we would've hit W Rondo.

Yes I knew that's how my post would be read and I posted it anyway.

and like, I think I've stated all the things that ping me about your slot so far so I keep pushing myself in circles going deeper into my bias.

But like, why didn't you preface your statement with this if you knew it already? Were we hoping it wouldn't be brought up and waited to see?

Why would I need to preface any statement? Am I not allowed to think 'ugh someone is going to find this questionable' and still post my thoughts anyway?

I get you think it's me, but this is pretty confbiasy.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 1:49 pm AND since I'm kinda just brain vomitting, I do keep asking myself 'what if the Alison cw was pure' and I keep getting back to 'it wasn't'

The wagon was a whole three (3) votes. You really think that can't be three town?

And anyway, there are two mafia teams, remember? Two of the mafia wouldn't have known or cared if Lime was on the other team and wouldn't care about positioning in the same way. Lime's one possible teammate wouldn't be able to singlehandedly bolster a counterwagon to save their mate.

I don't think this is the smoking gun you think it is.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:43 pm Nut, Leetic, Sig, MR have all expressed 'I guess W just has to be Wilgy' without anything else.

Hell, MR who's likely the wolf with reasons I've put out that no one will even question or interact with for some reason, has barely interacted with me and has decided to just take the omgus route following me pushing him.

It really just leaves me asking, is yeeting me just easy and that's why it's preferable?

I mean you're not interacting with me either. And regardless, so what? I don't tend to care about interacting with someone I suspect because it's not really their opinion I'm interested in (beyond clarification of intentions and such) - it's other peoples' opinions I care about.



I don't even really suspect you that deeply. I just think if we're intent on going 'East' then nutella comes across better off and I haven't made up my mind on Windy yet.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:48 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:43 pm Nut, Leetic, Sig, MR have all expressed 'I guess W just has to be Wilgy' without anything else.

Hell, MR who's likely the wolf with reasons I've put out that no one will even question or interact with for some reason, has barely interacted with me and has decided to just take the omgus route following me pushing him.

It really just leaves me asking, is yeeting me just easy and that's why it's preferable?

Yeah but Nutella is still voting me, not you

Yeah, but Nut coming into the thread stating the suspicion without any other data was still weird following the Nook/Wilgy Preflip.

Nut went from 1 and 1 in Nook/Wilgy to I guess it's just Wilgy/Radish without much else and in spite of how little both of these make.
Nook was trying to eat LemonFairy for two cycles and Falc had forgotten them, thus were likely only landlord.
I'm probably self viewing myself incorrectly, but with my interactions with Falc, I'd think that the Wilgy Arbiter theory to be thin, thus I'm likely only landlord as well.

Radish for the same reason, and what I put previous, is likely not an Arbiter.

So Nut's preflipping and suspicions are like, Landlord, Landlord, Landlord and that's why it doesn't make sense.

What I'm struggling with is the fact that in a vacuum I'd much rather vote Delta or Sig or even TSP or Epi, but I'm instead supposed to focus on a PoE of 3 others whom I largely find nothing wrong with.

Like the four of us can't even find a consensus amongst ourselves. This is silly.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:59 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:58 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:46 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:43 pm Nut, Leetic, Sig, MR have all expressed 'I guess W just has to be Wilgy' without anything else.

Hell, MR who's likely the wolf with reasons I've put out that no one will even question or interact with for some reason, has barely interacted with me and has decided to just take the omgus route following me pushing him.

It really just leaves me asking, is yeeting me just easy and that's why it's preferable?

I'm here if you want to get a back and forth going, I'm going through past games of the current wolf flips o/

which is pretty boring ;_; but at the very least I want to have a table of 'arbiter/landlords' and try work off that.

Evenings are my main opportunity to sit down and go through things so I'm lagging behind regardless, so some livetime solving would be great for me too \o/

I mean, I keep trying to throw it out there and discuss how my brain is working around the MR suspicion I have, do you have thoughts there?

In terms of thread PoE we have WWA, Nut, MR.

While I don't think MR could be an Arbiter I do think there's a high chance for Landlord based on polling.

I haven't explored WWA's likelyhood for Arbiter, but have seen others express that there's a firm possibility. WWA doesn't make sense as a Landlord.

I haven't explored Nutella's likelyhood for Arbiter, nor have I really seen others express it, so I'd almost write it off. Nutella has higher equity as landlord, but I still think it's unlikely. What keeps me circling back to Nutella is the weird preflipping done and Nook's read of the slot.

So,
Arbiters: WWA, Nut
LL: MR

Huh, if anything I would've written off Nut as an arbiter. I don't think she would've been so insistent on townreading falcon and then push me for pushing her based on that, if she were teamed with falcon. Plus she had fairly consistent suspicion on Lemon.

That's the exact thing I'm saying. I don't think Nut is an arbiter, if there was a chance for it, I'm sure I'd have seen others express it.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:01 pm Also, what makes me unlikely to be a landlord? I don't think I've done anything to clear myself in that regard, other than that one reply I got from Brad, but Nutella thinks it makes me look more partnered. Meaning, there's nothing clearing there.

The timing of your Brad vote would need to be an absolutely brutal bus vote.

Nut's is only alittle less brutal.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:03 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:48 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:43 pm Nut, Leetic, Sig, MR have all expressed 'I guess W just has to be Wilgy' without anything else.

Hell, MR who's likely the wolf with reasons I've put out that no one will even question or interact with for some reason, has barely interacted with me and has decided to just take the omgus route following me pushing him.

It really just leaves me asking, is yeeting me just easy and that's why it's preferable?

Yeah but Nutella is still voting me, not you

Yeah, but Nut coming into the thread stating the suspicion without any other data was still weird following the Nook/Wilgy Preflip.

Nut went from 1 and 1 in Nook/Wilgy to I guess it's just Wilgy/Radish without much else and in spite of how little both of these make.
Nook was trying to eat LemonFairy for two cycles and Falc had forgotten them, thus were likely only landlord.
I'm probably self viewing myself incorrectly, but with my interactions with Falc, I'd think that the Wilgy Arbiter theory to be thin, thus I'm likely only landlord as well.

Radish for the same reason, and what I put previous, is likely not an Arbiter.

So Nut's preflipping and suspicions are like, Landlord, Landlord, Landlord and that's why it doesn't make sense.

Ah, I see what you mean now.
But wasn't I doing the same thing? I'm pretty sure I also said I thought Radishes/you were the inner PoE, and by your logic that would also mean that I'd be pointing at two potential landlord candidates. Granted, I actually doubt it's both of you now, and I'm not even sure if it's one of you or neither. But I came into the day operating off straight PoE without thinking too critically about who was most likely on whose team.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:02 pm Why would I need to preface any statement? Am I not allowed to think 'ugh someone is going to find this questionable' and still post my thoughts anyway?

You are allowed and I'd encourage it, but my question is if you think 'ugh someone is going to find this questionable' why not say it before hand?

if you are a W, you just get a chance at someone not thinking 'ugh someone is going to find this questionable' and only need to post after if you do get heat for it. 'Why attract attention to myself' kinda thinking.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:02 pm The wagon was a whole three (3) votes. You really think that can't be three town?

And anyway, there are two mafia teams, remember? Two of the mafia wouldn't have known or cared if Lime was on the other team and wouldn't care about positioning in the same way. Lime's one possible teammate wouldn't be able to singlehandedly bolster a counterwagon to save their mate.

Three CAN be town, but those three are including Alison. When it becomes four (including vote recipient) and EVERY other off wagon vote is town it just becomes less likely, ESPECIALLY when a wolf flip occurs.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:02 pm I mean you're not interacting with me either. And regardless, so what? I don't tend to care about interacting with someone I suspect because it's not really their opinion I'm interested in (beyond clarification of intentions and such) - it's other peoples' opinions I care about.

I do think I've put out enough feelers, this is kinda the first real back and forth we've had though, so fair.

What would I hate more:

voting in the East and losing because we followed an unsubstantiated belief about mech despite my misgivings

or

voting in the West and losing because obviously it was evenly split wolf teams and I just haaad to go renegade

I’d love to just vote Wilgy and call it a day but as I’m reading up hes definitely within his town meta

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:04 pm What I'm struggling with is the fact that in a vacuum I'd much rather vote Delta or Sig or even TSP or Epi, but I'm instead supposed to focus on a PoE of 3 others whom I largely find nothing wrong with.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:04 pm Like the four of us can't even find a consensus amongst ourselves. This is silly.

I'd rather vote within the East Facility because of probability reasons, but I get what you mean. You'd think at the very least, the minimum of two town among us plus one of the wolves would consolidate on a wagon who might flip other wolf.
Idk though, I think Epi had a decent point that Nutella suddenly widening the PoE supposedly out of paranoia was a bit sketchy. But you did it before Nutella, and Epi didn't have the same comment on you. And I also agreed with Nutella that it's worth consideration, so that would put all three of us at fault in Epi's eyes (he thinks I'm scum anyway so tbh maybe he already factored that in).

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:04 pm What I'm struggling with is the fact that in a vacuum I'd much rather vote Delta or Sig or even TSP or Epi, but I'm instead supposed to focus on a PoE of 3 others whom I largely find nothing wrong with.

SO, if we expand the PoE, who and why?

Delta I kinda get.

Sig I still think is town in spite of certain thread entrances made today.

Epi based on Falc/DM treatment I had an eye raised for but nothing more as this does feel like town Epi.

I'll even toss Leetic in there as Leetic's vote on me following what looks like busywork came off as really off to me (I acknowlege that there's a large bit of omgussy bias in here, but after several unexplained suspicions of me, I think my omgussy bias is at least not worth throwing away immediately.)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:06 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:01 pm Also, what makes me unlikely to be a landlord? I don't think I've done anything to clear myself in that regard, other than that one reply I got from Brad, but Nutella thinks it makes me look more partnered. Meaning, there's nothing clearing there.

The timing of your Brad vote would need to be an absolutely brutal bus vote.

Nut's is only alittle less brutal.

I once gambited as scum and voted to tie my partner with a town wagon and we flipped my partner, and I got falsely cleared off it
It wasn't Brad, but I've been known to bus him pretty hard when he gets frozen. Nutella is right, the vote has no weight on my alignment.
I still don't think Brad would've thrown a partner in his town list, though, and I don't think landlord!Nutella would insist that he did, knowing that my flip would then implicate her on her own word.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:11 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:02 pm Why would I need to preface any statement? Am I not allowed to think 'ugh someone is going to find this questionable' and still post my thoughts anyway?

You are allowed and I'd encourage it, but my question is if you think 'ugh someone is going to find this questionable' why not say it before hand?

if you are a W, you just get a chance at someone not thinking 'ugh someone is going to find this questionable' and only need to post after if you do get heat for it. 'Why attract attention to myself' kinda thinking.

You say 'why not say it before hand' like it's some sort of 'gotcha' and I think it's just a style difference or soemthing. I just don't see why I'd need to say it?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:11 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:02 pm The wagon was a whole three (3) votes. You really think that can't be three town?

And anyway, there are two mafia teams, remember? Two of the mafia wouldn't have known or cared if Lime was on the other team and wouldn't care about positioning in the same way. Lime's one possible teammate wouldn't be able to singlehandedly bolster a counterwagon to save their mate.

Three CAN be town, but those three are including Alison. When it becomes four (including vote recipient) and EVERY other off wagon vote is town it just becomes less likely, ESPECIALLY when a wolf flip occurs.

But, again, we're talking about a wolf team of two, since the other wolf team won't care or worry about the same voting dynamics. Lime was going down - their one single partner is probably more likely to bus and hope for some credit rather than risk being seen as trying to save their partner.


These just feel like weak reasons to find me suspicious, and I'm not saying that makes you scummy because actually if you're town you would be scrounging for reasons to paint me scummy. But you seem to have a lot of conviction it's me for reasoning like this and the reasoning isn't solid imo.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:09 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:03 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:48 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:43 pm Nut, Leetic, Sig, MR have all expressed 'I guess W just has to be Wilgy' without anything else.

Hell, MR who's likely the wolf with reasons I've put out that no one will even question or interact with for some reason, has barely interacted with me and has decided to just take the omgus route following me pushing him.

It really just leaves me asking, is yeeting me just easy and that's why it's preferable?

Yeah but Nutella is still voting me, not you

Yeah, but Nut coming into the thread stating the suspicion without any other data was still weird following the Nook/Wilgy Preflip.

Nut went from 1 and 1 in Nook/Wilgy to I guess it's just Wilgy/Radish without much else and in spite of how little both of these make.
Nook was trying to eat LemonFairy for two cycles and Falc had forgotten them, thus were likely only landlord.
I'm probably self viewing myself incorrectly, but with my interactions with Falc, I'd think that the Wilgy Arbiter theory to be thin, thus I'm likely only landlord as well.

Radish for the same reason, and what I put previous, is likely not an Arbiter.

So Nut's preflipping and suspicions are like, Landlord, Landlord, Landlord and that's why it doesn't make sense.

Ah, I see what you mean now.
But wasn't I doing the same thing? I'm pretty sure I also said I thought Radishes/you were the inner PoE, and by your logic that would also mean that I'd be pointing at two potential landlord candidates. Granted, I actually doubt it's both of you now, and I'm not even sure if it's one of you or neither. But I came into the day operating off straight PoE without thinking too critically about who was most likely on whose team.

I think it's more so that Nut had the weird preflipping.

You're inner PoE read like an inner PoE without much more. Nut's was very strict in description and that made it weird, THEN they moved to another unlikely pairing.