The Syndicate

Wrong, I saw something that pinged me. You're projecting something into my word which isn't there, i.e. you're bullshitting.

Also, I didn't compare it to Donner. I said it ISN'T Donner. There is no civilian team, which implies BTSC to me. You say I tried to make something out of nothing but I literally say I just didn't feel comfortable voting for anybody else. You're the one making something out of nothing.

I'm starting to understand your perspective a bit more, Zeek.

And I'm starting to understand yours. You're a troublemaker.

I'm not, at least not intentionally.

I was thinking of it more in terms of Devils Advocate.

S~V~S wrote:I was thinking of it more in terms of Devils Advocate.

I don't know, I kind of like troublemakers. Probably because I am one myself.

S~V~S wrote:I was thinking of it more in terms of Devils Advocate.

Considering how many times he brought up my vote I don't feel it was playing Devils Advocate.

I've just realised I was immune N1 and D2, not D2 and N2. Thanks for the talk, Turnip, always a pleasure drawing attention to myself

zeek wrote:Nobody reads my posts

If you didn't want attention, you shouldn't have asked for it.

I don't believe that's what my post said

It's good to get attention at Night. It makes you less likely to be NKed if the baddies think you might get lynched tomorrow.

So did we establish a most likely theory on why there wasn't a kill last night?

FZ. wrote:So did we establish a most likely theory on why there wasn't a kill last night?

My theory is: "Because MP said so."

Maybe Kira misspelled the target's name?

Ok I have a few pages to read will post after i'm done.

How does the Kira find out our names anyway. Maybe we could figure it out using the LC k.

zeek wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I was thinking of it more in terms of Devils Advocate.

Considering how many times he brought up my vote I don't feel it was playing Devils Advocate.

I've just realised I was immune N1 and D2, not D2 and N2. Thanks for the talk, Turnip, always a pleasure drawing attention to myself

But he's doing it to everyone, not just you.

Zomberella12 wrote:How does the Kira find out our names anyway. Maybe we could figure it out using the LC k.

I do think it's interesting that LC died right after Epi identified him as Yotsuba. Given how the Shinigami Eye Deal works, I wonder if writing someone's name in the notebook requires that you also know the target's allegiance.

thellama73 wrote:

FZ. wrote:So did we establish a most likely theory on why there wasn't a kill last night?

My theory is: "Because MP said so."

Turnip Head wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:How does the Kira find out our names anyway. Maybe we could figure it out using the LC k.

I do think it's interesting that LC died right after Epi identified him as Yotsuba. Given how the Shinigami Eye Deal works, I wonder if writing someone's name in the notebook requires that you also know the target's allegiance.

Can you explain a little about the eye? I didn't get any of it.

In canon, if you misspell a person's name four time, they become immune to the Death Note.

FZ. wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:How does the Kira find out our names anyway. Maybe we could figure it out using the LC k.

I do think it's interesting that LC died right after Epi identified him as Yotsuba. Given how the Shinigami Eye Deal works, I wonder if writing someone's name in the notebook requires that you also know the target's allegiance.

Can you explain a little about the eye? I didn't get any of it.

Some of the Kiras can accept the Eye Deal: they can learn the roles of their targets but votes against the Kira will be worth double.

Is "the notebook" the same as the "Death Note"?

thellama73 wrote:In canon, if you misspell a person's name four time, they become immune to the Death Note.

The Death Note will be rendered useless if the victim's name is misspelled four times.
If a Death Note owner accidentally misspells a name four times, that person will be free from being killed by the Death Note. However, if they intentionally misspell the name four times, the Death Note owner will die.
The person whose name was misspelled four times on purpose will not be free of death by a Death Note.

But, tbh, I doubt this would have been implemented in this game.

juliets wrote:Is "the notebook" the same as the "Death Note"?

Yes.

Yes sorry. Death Note = notebook. Also I should specify when I'm talking about show stuff and when I'm talking about game stuff because I can see that being confusing...

Also, it's probably worth remembering that Death Note is an anagram of Death Tone, the opening track on Manowar's first album.

I will try not to forget that as it sounds important.

Turnip Head wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Zomberella12 wrote:How does the Kira find out our names anyway. Maybe we could figure it out using the LC k.

I do think it's interesting that LC died right after Epi identified him as Yotsuba. Given how the Shinigami Eye Deal works, I wonder if writing someone's name in the notebook requires that you also know the target's allegiance.

Can you explain a little about the eye? I didn't get any of it.

Some of the Kiras can accept the Eye Deal: they can learn the roles of their targets but votes against the Kira will be worth double.

Hmm, thanks. What would they have to gain from that? Weird

Actually I summarized it wrong. They can choose two players to learn the roles of, and then pick one of them to kill.

I assume it would help them achieve their win condition quicker.

In case it isn't clear, lynching Yotsuba is a bad idea. People who do so will excuse their vote as "Well, at least it wasn't a detective." Yotsuba are padding in this context: Kira can lynch them, happy to burn another lynch, and the detectives will be okay with this, because it wasn't one of them. That is dangerous thinking from a numbers perspective.

MP's Death Note setup is interesting to me because there is no possible civilian credit. Mafia cannot lynch one of their own and be considered good. At the same time, you cannot lynch Mafia and draw connections to other people.

So I don't want this post to go unnoticed:

boo wrote:I think potential BWT voters should vote llama. But I'd also like to point out to potential BWT voters that they're a day behind, so if they lynch BWT today, then maybe they'll get to llama tomorrow. That would work.

We lynched birdwithteeth, so maybe we'll go after llama tomorrow.

There is a tactic that involves setting up the next lynch before the present lynch is concluded. It's a close cousin to the false dilemma, and Mafia exploit the psychology behind it. When presented with an undesirable outcome, there is a mental tendency to wish that one had voted for the other popular option, and the next Day offers that opportunity.

Like thinking that a vanilla Yotsuba lynch is OK, this is a hazardous mentality.

I have more to say, but in an effort to keep my posts concise, I'll post this now.

Turnip Head wrote:Actually I summarized it wrong. They can choose two players to learn the roles of, and then pick one of them to kill.

I assume it would help them achieve their win condition quicker.

That makes more sense. The way you worded it earlier just seemed pointless

thellama73 wrote:It's good to get attention at Night. It makes you less likely to be NKed if the baddies think you might get lynched tomorrow.

That's my MO right there. It's easier to defend from a lynch than a NK.

Epignosis wrote:In case it isn't clear, lynching Yotsuba is a bad idea. People who do so will excuse their vote as "Well, at least it wasn't a detective." Yotsuba are padding in this context: Kira can lynch them, happy to burn another lynch, and the detectives will be okay with this, because it wasn't one of them. That is dangerous thinking from a numbers perspective.

MP's Death Note setup is interesting to me because there is no possible civilian credit. Mafia cannot lynch one of their own and be considered good. At the same time, you cannot lynch Mafia and draw connections to other people.

So I don't want this post to go unnoticed:

boo wrote:I think potential BWT voters should vote llama. But I'd also like to point out to potential BWT voters that they're a day behind, so if they lynch BWT today, then maybe they'll get to llama tomorrow. That would work.

We lynched birdwithteeth, so maybe we'll go after llama tomorrow.

There is a tactic that involves setting up the next lynch before the present lynch is concluded. It's a close cousin to the false dilemma, and Mafia exploit the psychology behind it. When presented with an undesirable outcome, there is a mental tendency to wish that one had voted for the other popular option, and the next Day offers that opportunity.

Like thinking that a vanilla Yotsuba lynch is OK, this is a hazardous mentality.

I have more to say, but in an effort to keep my posts concise, I'll post this now.

Epi, again, what does it matter? This is another pissing contest. We voted BWT before we knew who he was. Now, it's a matter of ego, if someone was right in their suspicion or not. Unlike other mafia games, you can't even say people were trying to save a baddie there, because most likely they didn't even know who they are voting for. So I honestly don't see why you keep talking about it. It's something you've been doing this the entire game (every day). You start arguing with someone just for the sake of argument.


I'm starting to think you're X Kira and this is your daily schedule

Oh ffs.

Lmao. A daily schedule of lecturing. Epi would love that.

Epignosis wrote:In case it isn't clear, lynching Yotsuba is a bad idea. People who do so will excuse their vote as "Well, at least it wasn't a detective." Yotsuba are padding in this context: Kira can lynch them, happy to burn another lynch, and the detectives will be okay with this, because it wasn't one of them. That is dangerous thinking from a numbers perspective.

MP's Death Note setup is interesting to me because there is no possible civilian credit. Mafia cannot lynch one of their own and be considered good. At the same time, you cannot lynch Mafia and draw connections to other people.

So I don't want this post to go unnoticed:

boo wrote:I think potential BWT voters should vote llama. But I'd also like to point out to potential BWT voters that they're a day behind, so if they lynch BWT today, then maybe they'll get to llama tomorrow. That would work.

We lynched birdwithteeth, so maybe we'll go after llama tomorrow.

There is a tactic that involves setting up the next lynch before the present lynch is concluded. It's a close cousin to the false dilemma, and Mafia exploit the psychology behind it. When presented with an undesirable outcome, there is a mental tendency to wish that one had voted for the other popular option, and the next Day offers that opportunity.

Like thinking that a vanilla Yotsuba lynch is OK, this is a hazardous mentality.

I have more to say, but in an effort to keep my posts concise, I'll post this now.

I don't disagree with your points here, but it's mighty convenient for you that several players think you are Yostuba.

Epignosis wrote:Oh ffs.

Rude

Yeah.

Turnip Head wrote:Lmao. A daily schedule of lecturing. Epi would love that.

Turns out not so much. Just wanted to point out, he's been arguing with DH day one. What happened with it? Nothing. He argued with Boo day 2. What happened? Nothing. Who is he going to pick now?

Epi, you said you had more to say. Please finish your thought regardless of what people are saying.

Is XKira's "strict schedule" part of the role still seen as potential power/requirement or is it just flavour? Players being required to reveal a strict pattern wouldn't be to their advantage (i.e. potential outing), so I don't see why MP would design it that way.

juliets wrote:Epi, you said you had more to say. Please finish your thought regardless of what people are saying.

I will. I'm just doing other things while I write (like play Star Wars D&D). I'm also trying to keep my posts shorter.

juliets wrote:Epi, you said you had more to say. Please finish your thought regardless of what people are saying.

Hey, I'm not stopping him. I've read everything and asked him questions about it.

I haven't voiced my opinion on Yotsuba yet, so I may as well do it now.

I 100% agree with Epi that we should not make them our targets and try to lynch them. That does not bring the detectives closer to their goal.
But I also don't think a Yotsuba lynch is as bad as a detective lynch, since it does not advance the Kira win condition either. It does lose us time in which we can be NKed though.

S~V~S wrote:Yeah.

@Rico: No and I think that might have been a joke on FZ's part. I no longer believe X Kira's strict schedule has any bearing on his role's abilities.

lots of linki

Turnip Head wrote:@Rico: No and I think that might have been a joke on FZ's part. I no longer believe X Kira's strict schedule has any bearing on his role's abilities.

lots of linki

Me neither, since there is nothing in the role secrets about it.

Turnip Head wrote:@Rico: No and I think that might have been a joke on FZ's part. I no longer believe X Kira's strict schedule has any bearing on his role's abilities.

lots of linki

She should have made it a bit clearer if it was just a joke, but maybe it's just me seeing a lot of "look, you are doing this the same way as yesterday. you must be on a strict agenda!" posts popping occasionally.

I agree in believing it's just flavour and is not indicative of tracing X Kira.