The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:

juliets wrote:I didn't think [Metalmarsh] was telling the truth when he said [he used the Bottle on Epig and caused the Affirmative Curse] but since he was good I guess he was. I'm not sure why you are saying I didn't. This post was to close out our discussion on the rare book.

Why didn't you think Metalmarsh was telling the truth? He explained Epig's weird responses and claimed responsibility for it with his Item, the Bottle. I thought it was pretty cut-and-dry.

Golden wrote:Dom, the one thing I keep coming back to about SVS, it will be interesting to get your thoughts on this...

If she was bad, why come out and be the first one to have the theory that she was supposed to die, she still had the will, lol the baddies failed to kill her and therefore the story in the newspaper must be a fake? After all, that is how most of the heat on zombs started?

Why not just come out and go... yeah, the will was stolen...

Seems like a very odd baddie plot to put a story in the newspaper that appears to clear Zombs, then immediately start going after her in the thread. Not to mention, no-one else has claimed any reason for why there might not have been a NK.

juliets wrote:Long Con, maybe this is a stupid question but if you knew the bottle caused Epi's Yes responses why did you think in that recent post that Epi had just made that up? Or did I misread your post. Let me see if I can find the part I'm talking about -

Long Con wrote: And look at you, trying to beg sympathy from everyone because you "haven't been able to speak normally since Day 1". So you couldn't manage to express anything you needed to express during Day Two, when it was known to everyone that you had the jokey influence of having to answer questions with a "yes"? Are you joking? Why do you NEED to make plays like this, it's just not honest. You supposedly couldn't post vowels between Night 2 and Night 3. Has there been ANY other curses this game? Are we going to see more like that? I'll be very interested to see.

Long Con wrote:

juliets wrote:Long Con, maybe this is a stupid question but if you knew the bottle caused Epi's Yes responses why did you think in that recent post that Epi had just made that up? Or did I misread your post. Let me see if I can find the part I'm talking about -

Long Con wrote: And look at you, trying to beg sympathy from everyone because you "haven't been able to speak normally since Day 1". So you couldn't manage to express anything you needed to express during Day Two, when it was known to everyone that you had the jokey influence of having to answer questions with a "yes"? Are you joking? Why do you NEED to make plays like this, it's just not honest. You supposedly couldn't post vowels between Night 2 and Night 3. Has there been ANY other curses this game? Are we going to see more like that? I'll be very interested to see.

The dishonesty I spoke of was him saying that he "hasn't been able to speak normally since Day 1". He could speak perfectly well on Day 2, just with the added caveat that he had to respond with a 'yes' to questions. Even that wasn't in effect on Night 2; Epig was posting very normally all Night. Do YOU think it's an honest representation of his game to claim he hasn't been able to speak normally since Day 1?

juliets wrote:

Long Con wrote:

juliets wrote:Long Con, maybe this is a stupid question but if you knew the bottle caused Epi's Yes responses why did you think in that recent post that Epi had just made that up? Or did I misread your post. Let me see if I can find the part I'm talking about -

Long Con wrote: And look at you, trying to beg sympathy from everyone because you "haven't been able to speak normally since Day 1". So you couldn't manage to express anything you needed to express during Day Two, when it was known to everyone that you had the jokey influence of having to answer questions with a "yes"? Are you joking? Why do you NEED to make plays like this, it's just not honest. You supposedly couldn't post vowels between Night 2 and Night 3. Has there been ANY other curses this game? Are we going to see more like that? I'll be very interested to see.

The dishonesty I spoke of was him saying that he "hasn't been able to speak normally since Day 1". He could speak perfectly well on Day 2, just with the added caveat that he had to respond with a 'yes' to questions. Even that wasn't in effect on Night 2; Epig was posting very normally all Night. Do YOU think it's an honest representation of his game to claim he hasn't been able to speak normally since Day 1?

I see - you weren't talking about that specific issue you were talking about his wide claim. I can see why he thought his game was affected for Day 2 and Day 3 though i agree the "yes" curse didn't affect everything about how he communicates. The nights if he was free from curse (I haven't checked) would have also been a time to communicate freely. If I had been affected two days in a row at the beginning of the game though, I would have had some strong feelings about that situation. None of this is to say Epi is good or evil or neutral. I haven't made up my mind about that. I just ask a lot of questions to process information.

Long Con wrote:Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.

I will as again. Why do you want this? Do you have no items?

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.

I will as again. Why do you want this? Do you have no items?

No, I have an item that they will want. This is not a trick.

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.

I will as again. Why do you want this? Do you have no items?

No, I have an item that they will want. This is not a trick.

Why do you want them to have it?

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.

I will as again. Why do you want this? Do you have no items?

No, I have an item that they will want. This is not a trick.

Why do you want them to have it?

fingersplints wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:Anyway, I just want to reiterate to the Celestials, to Ichabod: please steal from me tonight. I promise that you will be glad you did. If you don't, then a great opportunity for you will be lost.

I will as again. Why do you want this? Do you have no items?

No, I have an item that they will want. This is not a trick.

Why do you want them to have it?

why wouldn't he want them to have it? A neutral team of 5 is a great ally to the civvies. I'm not surprised LC wants to show them he is their friend.

Long Con wrote:

juliets wrote:

Long Con wrote:

juliets wrote:Long Con, maybe this is a stupid question but if you knew the bottle caused Epi's Yes responses why did you think in that recent post that Epi had just made that up? Or did I misread your post. Let me see if I can find the part I'm talking about -

Long Con wrote: And look at you, trying to beg sympathy from everyone because you "haven't been able to speak normally since Day 1". So you couldn't manage to express anything you needed to express during Day Two, when it was known to everyone that you had the jokey influence of having to answer questions with a "yes"? Are you joking? Why do you NEED to make plays like this, it's just not honest. You supposedly couldn't post vowels between Night 2 and Night 3. Has there been ANY other curses this game? Are we going to see more like that? I'll be very interested to see.

The dishonesty I spoke of was him saying that he "hasn't been able to speak normally since Day 1". He could speak perfectly well on Day 2, just with the added caveat that he had to respond with a 'yes' to questions. Even that wasn't in effect on Night 2; Epig was posting very normally all Night. Do YOU think it's an honest representation of his game to claim he hasn't been able to speak normally since Day 1?

I see - you weren't talking about that specific issue you were talking about his wide claim. I can see why he thought his game was affected for Day 2 and Day 3 though i agree the "yes" curse didn't affect everything about how he communicates. The nights if he was free from curse (I haven't checked) would have also been a time to communicate freely. If I had been affected two days in a row at the beginning of the game though, I would have had some strong feelings about that situation. None of this is to say Epi is good or evil or neutral. I haven't made up my mind about that. I just ask a lot of questions to process information.

Ok, so you don't think there's anything dishonest about saying he's been UNABLE to speak normally since Day 1. Thank you for giving me your point of view.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:LC what if the baddies kill you tonight. wouldn't the baddiees get your item.
LLama do night actions happen in the order the PMs come in?

thellama73 wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:LC what if the baddies kill you tonight. wouldn't the baddiees get your item.
LLama do night actions happen in the order the PMs come in?

There is an order of operations for different types of actions. Stealing happens before killing, for example. But generally, yes.

rabbit8 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:WOT= wall of text

I'm starting to wonder about you.

Elohcin wrote:I understand now, thank you.

Canucklehead wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:WOT= wall of text

I'm starting to wonder about you.

Why?

rabbit8 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:WOT= wall of text

I'm starting to wonder about you.

Why?

Because you have been wishy washy about everything all game and not really invested in finding baddies. Then out of no where you really want to lynch Vomps.

rabbit8 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:WOT= wall of text

I'm starting to wonder about you.

Why?

Because you have been wishy washy about everything all game and not really invested in finding baddies. Then out of no where you really want to lynch Vomps.

Epignosis wrote:Enrique. Turnip Head

Daddy's back.

thellama73 wrote:Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.

So now Metalmarsh is A Person who used to be Bass!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Effective immediately, Metalmarsh89 is replacing A Person.

So now Metalmarsh is A Person who used to be Bass!

Who used to be a sockface.

Canucklehead wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:WOT= wall of text

I'm starting to wonder about you.

Why?

Because you have been wishy washy about everything all game and not really invested in finding baddies. Then out of no where you really want to lynch Vomps.

Nah. I was pretty wishy washy on wanting to lynch Vomps, actually.

Canucklehead wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I thought Epi's case on LK was....not convincing, but I'm not sure why a bad Epi would push so hard against a player so early....considering a vote there.
LC is LC and I have no particular reason to think he's bad right now, but I don't know if I've ever read LC correctly. I'm not voting there unless something really compelling comes up.

That's all you have to say about Epig? What about other cases that have been made against him?

Yes, that is all I have to say about Epi right now. None of the cases brought against him have stuck in my mind enough for me to comment on them.

You don't find it suspicious that Epignosis would ignore what he knows about MM and BR and instead go for the easy lynch of Metalmarsh? What he knew should have led him to believe Metalmarsh was being framed, except the thing is, Epig was doing the framing. Not to mention, the italicized portion sounds suspiciously like what LizKeen heard through the ear tubes, AND it sounds like something Epig would say. Cocky and believing people can be easily led.

I want to understand why no one else can see this. Is it that they don't believe that Epig knew that it was VERY unlikely that Metalmarsh would kill BR on Night one for the third or fourth time in recent history? I did quote something in my original case that clearly indicated that Epig was involved - Donner Mafia, Epig tells MM that he killed him for BR. And believe me when I say that I know every detail of this subject due to BR being my wife. I know what happened, what Epig knows, how MM felt about it. This is the truth, I just need enough people to see it and understand what it means.

I didn't say I didn't find it suspicious, I said the case didn't stick in my head. Which is true. Nothing is sticking in me head right now, because my entire brain is utterly saturated with crippling anxiety and fear of failure because I have a career-defining series of examinations beginning in two weeks.

But now that you've very kindly reiterated your points: I mean, I guess what you're seeing as damning isn't quite as evocative to me. I'll take your word for it that the whole MM/BR rivalry is something that Epi is aware of, even acutely so. I guess where I don't quite buy your argument is that knowing that MM would be very unlikely to kill BR does not mean that other people on MM's team might have overruled him. I mean, obviously this WASN'T the case (since MM was good), but prior to that revelation I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for someone to simultaneously believe that MM would not personally vote to kill BR, but could still be a member of a team that would do so.
I guess maybe because I'm not as intimately involved with the details and intricacies of the BR/MM/Epi triangle that his willingness to vote MM just didn't set off alarms bells like it does for you. But I'm not discounting your assertion here, it's just not one I would have come to on my own. I actually also feel uneasy about Epi, so your insights are interesting.

Mostly, though, I want to lynch Vomps.

S~V~S wrote:Epignosis, You remind me of a baby polar bear sliding down a rainbow into a pot of gold, with a fucking unicorn. You are that awesome!

You make me want to be a better person. Youmake arrogant look like a positive thing

Canucklehead wrote:

Long Con wrote:Vomps' crime is being Vomps, right? Not contributing much, acting weird? Low posting?

Yes. Being Vomps is a serious crime.

Canucklehead wrote:I'm going to do (another) 180 and vote for Vomps.
I reread Epi's case on LK, and while I still didn't find it convincing, I can't come up with a scenario where it would be beneficial for baddie Epi to go hard against a player that (until he and Golden mentioned her) didn't seem to be on anyone's radar.
I'm not sure that I'm un-suspicious of Epi, but I'd rather not vote for him today since I can't really ask him to clarify some things about his LK case and LC's comments on the MM lynch while he's cursed.
I'll vote Vomps, though I think it's a 50/50 chance he's a civ.