The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:10 pm What makes you think one of us is the last Even?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:33 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:57 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:10 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:04 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:21 pm Gee thanks that's awesome. I bet it had the effect you were hoping for.

What was I hoping for?

Really? I don't know exactly what your point was but YOU do. There must be some reason behind going all drama like that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:58 pm I don't want to lynch sprityo.

Can you explain why not? In a way that doesn't also exclude suspicion of others? Because your reasons before were very vague and could apply to several people. What abóut sprit appeals to you to make you feel he is town?

I think his attitude toward his new role reflecte genuine frustration at what he perceives to be an unhelpful ability. This is not something we should probe further into, as it already feels like we're toeing the line for infodumping. If this is just a clever ploy to emotionally manipulate us into not voting for him the it's vert crafty and I'll never trust sprit again. I don't think it is.

So you suggest we just ignore any thoughts we might entertain about him being bad because he dropped a menacing role hint. Am I reading you correctly? He made an info dump, so it's hands off?

Because role hints make me want to lynch people more, not less. Especially in light of this:

5) You may not post PMs from the hosts. You may not do anything which could amount to info dumping. If you are not sure whether or not something would be considered info dumping, err on the side of caution and PM to ask first. Specific things you may not do include revealing anything about your role, including the game it is derived from, the name of the role or any win condition. The only thing you may claim from your role (truthfully or otherwise) is your affiliation. Punishments, including modkills, are reserved for breaches of this rule.

Repeatedly telling us he has a bastard role in in violation of rules already, is it not?

I don't think you are understanding me correctly. I feel good about sprit because of the attitude that I see in his posts. However, I don't think it's a subject that can be discussed much further because of the rules. I'm not saying to ignore him. I'm saying this is a tricky gray area and I don't want the tread to spiral into one big rules violation.

I also fail to see why this behavior would make him suspicious.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:46 pm

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:52 pm I’m back from the beach, yay! What’d I miss?

Just kidding - I’ll read. But any help is appreciated.

What do you think of Boomslang?

Everybody is trying to read him rn.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:16 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:46 pm

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:52 pm I’m back from the beach, yay! What’d I miss?

Just kidding - I’ll read. But any help is appreciated.

What do you think of Boomslang?

Everybody is trying to read him rn.

From what I know of not even close to catching up, I don't think he's bad. I'm going by the standard I held in Cerberus, mostly - I don't think he would kill me Night 1, even with the two-life mechanic (although it would be more likely. Slightly.), nor would he be on board for a team doing so, and he was actively playing, so it's not like he would have "missed" a decision like that.

I'm going to catch up as much as I can, but I don't think I'm going to be able to get the deeper mechanics of speculation that this thread has put out. I've allowed myself to stray too far behind in this game this week with travel and apathy, and I don't think I'm going to get to a good, solid knowledge point, but I'll give it a shot. No spreadsheets for me, that's for sure.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:27 pm

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:16 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:46 pm

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:52 pm I’m back from the beach, yay! What’d I miss?

Just kidding - I’ll read. But any help is appreciated.

What do you think of Boomslang?

Everybody is trying to read him rn.

From what I know of not even close to catching up, I don't think he's bad. I'm going by the standard I held in Cerberus, mostly - I don't think he would kill me Night 1, even with the two-life mechanic (although it would be more likely. Slightly.), nor would he be on board for a team doing so, and he was actively playing, so it's not like he would have "missed" a decision like that.

I'm going to catch up as much as I can, but I don't think I'm going to be able to get the deeper mechanics of speculation that this thread has put out. I've allowed myself to stray too far behind in this game this week with travel and apathy, and I don't think I'm going to get to a good, solid knowledge point, but I'll give it a shot. No spreadsheets for me, that's for sure.

Nobody that I can tell is arguing that he is on the team that murked you Night 1.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:31 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:27 pm

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:16 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:46 pm

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:52 pm I’m back from the beach, yay! What’d I miss?

Just kidding - I’ll read. But any help is appreciated.

What do you think of Boomslang?

Everybody is trying to read him rn.

From what I know of not even close to catching up, I don't think he's bad. I'm going by the standard I held in Cerberus, mostly - I don't think he would kill me Night 1, even with the two-life mechanic (although it would be more likely. Slightly.), nor would he be on board for a team doing so, and he was actively playing, so it's not like he would have "missed" a decision like that.

I'm going to catch up as much as I can, but I don't think I'm going to be able to get the deeper mechanics of speculation that this thread has put out. I've allowed myself to stray too far behind in this game this week with travel and apathy, and I don't think I'm going to get to a good, solid knowledge point, but I'll give it a shot. No spreadsheets for me, that's for sure.

Nobody that I can tell is arguing that he is on the team that murked you Night 1.

Yeah, I see that now. I told you I'm catching up But I'm also seeing that the reasoning appears rather weak in these last pages.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:57 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:14 pm What team is sprityo hypothetically a member of?

That’s a great question figuring I’ve voted to lynch every single member of the mafia we’ve lynched

And you were presumably killee by the evens.

Agreed 100%. I'm also very skeptical of the whole civ-to-mafia flip thing given that alignments are only revealed after second death. Why would flipping after first death make any sense to include as a mechanic in that case, especially with the already unusual length of this game?

But enough about conjectures. It's a difference of opinion, but I don't like Cbob calling this flip theory "reasonable." Scotty pulls good info on a cbob-Lorab connection as well.

SVS's response to spirit's defense feels like civ-on-civ perspective disagreement, too. There's too much passion to be mafia calculation.

Going to park my aubergine on Vote colonialbob for now.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:45 pm I have floated that a couple times, but I don't currently feel an overwhelming suspicion of Boomslang.

@S~V~S I neither trust nor suspect sprityo atm. I must have given you the wrong impression, sorry.

I've been quieter because I feel less comfortable with the options on this poll sadly. It's been interesting to watch it develop though.

I would say right now I feel most comfortable with the reasoning DDL presented. If sprityo is telling the truth and he has a bastard role, then it likely will be to our benefit to eliminate it from the game. And if he is lying then we have probably caught a baddie.

I'm going to [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine because I don't feel convinced any of these candidates are the person we are looking for. As you can probably tell, I'm still holding out a belief that we only had three on each team and we are now down to one. Everyone keeps talking about the mechanics and how with two lives it makes more sense to have more baddies, but it doesn't really. We will have the maximum number in our second lives. And at any given point in the game we will never have more civs than what we started with. The numbers do not support a good balance if you give us two teams of 4 baddies each. That is 8 baddies in total. And I am fairly confident that there is at least one of two 3p roles too, judging from Scotty's first role description. So that would be what, 10/11 civs vs. 8 mafia vs. 1/2 3P? In light of this I'm optimistic we only have one Even left.

But if I am wrong and we have four per team, we will figure it out eventually. And I would say sprityo is probably the best vote. But really as long as we don't lynch Blooper I am ok with any other result of this lynch.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:20 am @sprityo I don't suspect you, what you thought Golden said is more what is usual in a game so I can understand defaulting to that. But unfortunately it is not what he said. Easy enough mistake. Best way to determine our situation now is to lynch an Even and we will know for sure.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:43 pm @nijuukyugou, this one. Where he basically says a bunch of things that aren't true to justify a vote for someone. His first 2 points are refuted by the host in the host rules. He was * in the thread* when I pointed this out(i caught him in Linki), did not reply to me, did not change his vote or even say he would look into it.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:57 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:14 pm What team is sprityo hypothetically a member of?

That’s a great question figuring I’ve voted to lynch every single member of the mafia we’ve lynched

And you were presumably killee by the evens.

Agreed 100%. I'm also very skeptical of the whole civ-to-mafia flip thing given that alignments are only revealed after second death. Why would flipping after first death make any sense to include as a mechanic in that case, especially with the already unusual length of this game?

But enough about conjectures. It's a difference of opinion, but I don't like Cbob calling this flip theory "reasonable." Scotty pulls good info on a cbob-Lorab connection as well.

SVS's response to spirit's defense feels like civ-on-civ perspective disagreement, too. There's too much passion to be mafia calculation.

Going to park my aubergine on Vote colonialbob for now.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:00 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:43 pm @ nijuukyugou, this one. Where he basically says a bunch of things that aren't true to justify a vote for someone. His first 2 points are refuted by the host in the host rules. He was * in the thread* when I pointed this out(i caught him in Linki), did not reply to me, did not change his vote or even say he would look into it.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:57 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:14 pm What team is sprityo hypothetically a member of?

That’s a great question figuring I’ve voted to lynch every single member of the mafia we’ve lynched

And you were presumably killee by the evens.

Agreed 100%. I'm also very skeptical of the whole civ-to-mafia flip thing given that alignments are only revealed after second death. Why would flipping after first death make any sense to include as a mechanic in that case, especially with the already unusual length of this game?

But enough about conjectures. It's a difference of opinion, but I don't like Cbob calling this flip theory "reasonable." Scotty pulls good info on a cbob-Lorab connection as well.

SVS's response to spirit's defense feels like civ-on-civ perspective disagreement, too. There's too much passion to be mafia calculation.

Going to park my aubergine on Vote colonialbob for now.

Hmm. I think I read that response about the flips differently - I figured he was discussing that particular case with sprit, not the whole mechanic of the game - I don't think he's misunderstanding the mechanics. But I could be wrong. He won't be able to answer tonight, alas, because he has gone to the land of the hippies for the evening. (For serious lol - 45 minutes down the road, in the woods, no phone reception. It's a great time.)

I'm going to try to recover what I had in my stupid lost post regarding cbob. Stand [mention]nijuukyugou[/mention]

This was the specific line I meant, I think it's pretty clear, but OK. What do you think of sprityo?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:33 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:57 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:10 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:04 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:21 pm Gee thanks that's awesome. I bet it had the effect you were hoping for.

What was I hoping for?

Really? I don't know exactly what your point was but YOU do. There must be some reason behind going all drama like that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:58 pm I don't want to lynch sprityo.

Can you explain why not? In a way that doesn't also exclude suspicion of others? Because your reasons before were very vague and could apply to several people. What abóut sprit appeals to you to make you feel he is town?

I think his attitude toward his new role reflecte genuine frustration at what he perceives to be an unhelpful ability. This is not something we should probe further into, as it already feels like we're toeing the line for infodumping. If this is just a clever ploy to emotionally manipulate us into not voting for him the it's vert crafty and I'll never trust sprit again. I don't think it is.

So you suggest we just ignore any thoughts we might entertain about him being bad because he dropped a menacing role hint. Am I reading you correctly? He made an info dump, so it's hands off?

Because role hints make me want to lynch people more, not less. Especially in light of this:

5) You may not post PMs from the hosts. You may not do anything which could amount to info dumping. If you are not sure whether or not something would be considered info dumping, err on the side of caution and PM to ask first. Specific things you may not do include revealing anything about your role, including the game it is derived from, the name of the role or any win condition. The only thing you may claim from your role (truthfully or otherwise) is your affiliation. Punishments, including modkills, are reserved for breaches of this rule.

Repeatedly telling us he has a bastard role in in violation of rules already, is it not?

I don't think you are understanding me correctly. I feel good about sprit because of the attitude that I see in his posts. However, I don't think it's a subject that can be discussed much further because of the rules. I'm not saying to ignore him. I'm saying this is a tricky gray area and I don't want the tread to spiral into one big rules violation.

I also fail to see why this behavior would make him suspicious.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:00 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:03 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:58 pm I don't want to lynch sprityo.

Convince me to vote for Boom. Why is he even?

I don't have an argument for that. He has not been active in a thread with any known Evens at any point in this game. I don't have an argument against it either. I'm primarily voting for him because he's the only player on the poll who won't ge removed from the game if we lynch him today. I also feel his argument for not being scum is the weakest, but I would not be voting for him today if the poll was full.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:33 pm cbob and boomslang are the only people on this poll I'm considering, still. I see some evidence that bob may be strex, but not even. I have no strong reason to town read boomslang, though there is compelling evidence for him not being Strex.

colonialbob avoided discussing both lorab and wilgy when they were on the chopping block. He even pursued suspects (INH & Boomslang) based on their treatment of wilgy. This behavior stands out when looking back through his posts, and he's defended himself a bit already. But it's the most substantive thing I can pull out for discussion from his posts. It's never clear how he felt about wilgy (or lorab), but it is clear he didn't like the way certan people went after wilgy.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:02 pm Doh: This line: "Why would flipping after first death make any sense to include as a mechanic in that case," from Booms vote post.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:38 pm did anyone vote after golden announced sprityo's votal penalty

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:02 pm Doh: This line: "Why would flipping after first death make any sense to include as a mechanic in that case," from Booms vote post.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Apr 06, 2018 12:43 pm The downside with lynching Boomslang is that we could be creating more mafia by nature of the setup.