The Syndicate

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:06 am What game are you from, Kyle?

i don't know, i didn't play this one. the role is called "flamethrower"

Outpost 31. I played that one

Shouldn't you be a scientist holding a flamethrower?

I think Kyle's role will be much more valuable later on. Speedchuck's really doesn't seem like it's going to have a chance to... blossom. The game won't last that long, not at the rate we're townfirming folk.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:15 am Shouldn't you be a scientist holding a flamethrower?

he doesn't look like a scientist, he looks like a wrestler on vacation

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:24 am I think Kyle's role will be much more valuable later on. Speedchuck's really doesn't seem like it's going to have a chance to... blossom. The game won't last that long, not at the rate we're townfirming folk.

Hope not.

Assuming Kylemii is telling the truth, I'd agree my role is the most disposable in this gamestate.

I don't remotely suspect Sprit right now. If you lynch me, keep an eye on Kylemii.

not to say that scientists can't also be wrestlers :\ it's 2019, let's finally squash the stigma that says scientists can't be incredibly jacked

this day is the worst

i mean i feel like we reduced the PoE a lot today so that's good i guess but this feels awful

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:31 am i mean i feel like we reduced the PoE a lot today so that's good i guess but this feels awful

Defending a scummer to the death and then getting lynched for it is my GoC meta. It's cool.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:37 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:31 am i mean i feel like we reduced the PoE a lot today so that's good i guess but this feels awful

Defending a scummer to the death and then getting lynched for it is my GoC meta. It's cool.

i guess i should be more positive, there's 13 players left after today which means we get 5 chances to get whatever mafia's left and solve indies

12 lynch >
11 kill >
10 lynch >
9 kill >
8 lynch >
7 kill >
6 lynch >
5 kill >
4 lynch >
3 kill >
2 end

unless breaking the mafia gives us an every other night without deaths which means we would get..... more chances than that. math is impossible

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:24 am I think Kyle's role will be much more valuable later on. Speedchuck's really doesn't seem like it's going to have a chance to... blossom. The game won't last that long, not at the rate we're townfirming folk.

Eh I wouldn't be too hasty with that assertion. Several of the "firms" are not townfirms per se, just not-mafia firms, and I'm expecting the end game will be sniffing out one or more 3Ps. It probably still won't take a ton of time, but the POE may not be as simple for such purposes.

Ok after 12+ hours of work my brain is simply too tired to form thoughts. Tomorrow promises to be very busy, too. This 3 person poll came at a fortuitous time for me I think. I'll [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine for now because it seems like consensus but @ me if that changes.

the thing that's fucking with me is that when i asked epignosis if we'd be told when a team were eliminated he said "you'll be told if someone wins" rather than answering my question

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:23 am the thing that's fucking with me is that when i asked epignosis if we'd be told when a team were eliminated he said "you'll be told if someone wins" rather than answering my question

Yeah, I got a coy answer as well. I trust Epi though.

I think Kyle should take his shot tonight. It will help confirm him, strengthening our town core and narrowing down the PoE.

We can use the 1-shot as a sort of extra lynch

Well, this was a productive day and a good use of the whoevers power this was. We came into today with a (mostly) core group of suspects, these three, Jay, who died bad in the night, and Eloh (and based on the BTS snippets, I have my doubts there).

And it appears we feel better about these three.

So time for new eyes and time to reassess.

Sorry [VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

Ok, I don't believe sprit made up those conversation snippets especially since S~V~S can confirm one of them so he's out. I believe Kyle's role claim, though knowing there is a one shot vig convinces me we don't have another vig who picked off Quin and Jay so we must have a 3p. I agree with nutella that it will be much harder to sort through looking for that person. So that leaves me with speedchuck. I can't say I firmly believe he is mafia, in fact, he doesn't really seem like it to me but I think his role is the easiest to lose at this point. So I apologize in advance but I have to vote for you speed at this point in time. I could always move my vote later if there is a convincing reason.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:55 am I think Kyle should take his shot tonight. It will help confirm him, strengthening our town core and narrowing down the PoE.

I agree - also, he might get killed tonight in order to prevent that one-shot, so using it will prevent the waste, and letting everyone know he's using it might just make the baddies let him live. Doubly in Kyle's best interest.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:59 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:40 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:48 pm @LC, I guess it wouldn't be too difficult for sprit to make those up to throw us off him.

Yeah, I'm going to vote for him I think. I think it's all fishy.

The thing is he's telling the truth.

I said the third thing, about lynching Luna three days in a row. I have the radio, it gives me a chat. I said that because I was pissed that we kept starting and letting Luna slip off.

So sprit is telling the truth and I can corroborate it. If you are gonna vote for him, do it knowing he did not make that stuff up. That would be a bizarre power for a baddie.

I KNEW that it sounded weird for mafia to be complaining about not lynching luna. like they could kill her if they wanted her gone that bad. This has enlightened me thank you SVS

Who do you chat with? A new person every night? Are they anonymous?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:21 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:59 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:40 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:48 pm @LC, I guess it wouldn't be too difficult for sprit to make those up to throw us off him.

Yeah, I'm going to vote for him I think. I think it's all fishy.

The thing is he's telling the truth.

I said the third thing, about lynching Luna three days in a row. I have the radio, it gives me a chat. I said that because I was pissed that we kept starting and letting Luna slip off.

So sprit is telling the truth and I can corroborate it. If you are gonna vote for him, do it knowing he did not make that stuff up. That would be a bizarre power for a baddie.

I KNEW that it sounded weird for mafia to be complaining about not lynching luna. like they could kill her if they wanted her gone that bad. This has enlightened me thank you SVS

Who do you chat with? A new person every night? Are they anonymous?

I am thinking this is addressed to me?

I thought it was obvious who it was, it might account for some of the vouching you questioned earlier in the game . I know who they are, they know who I am.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:23 am the thing that's fucking with me is that when i asked epignosis if we'd be told when a team were eliminated he said "you'll be told if someone wins" rather than answering my question

That is classic epi though. He is always intentionally vague.

@ SVS, yes, I got it. Derp, Tasha.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:37 am @ SVS, yes, I got it. Derp, Tasha.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:21 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:59 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:40 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:48 pm @LC, I guess it wouldn't be too difficult for sprit to make those up to throw us off him.

Yeah, I'm going to vote for him I think. I think it's all fishy.

The thing is he's telling the truth.

I said the third thing, about lynching Luna three days in a row. I have the radio, it gives me a chat. I said that because I was pissed that we kept starting and letting Luna slip off.

So sprit is telling the truth and I can corroborate it. If you are gonna vote for him, do it knowing he did not make that stuff up. That would be a bizarre power for a baddie.

I KNEW that it sounded weird for mafia to be complaining about not lynching luna. like they could kill her if they wanted her gone that bad. This has enlightened me thank you SVS

Who do you chat with? A new person every night? Are they anonymous?

I’m assuming this was directed at SVS? Cause it definitely doesn’t apply to me

I don’t think you’re lying Sprit but my point is there is nowhere in that message saying the mafia want to lynch nijuu. They want to block her. In fact, not lynching nijuu would probably be smarter for whoever said that because they want their target to sound reasonably suspicious, and assuming niju is town, that flip tanks that.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:55 am We can use the 1-shot as a sort of extra lynch

Not a bad idea

Should we just run an informal poll of who Kyle should vig?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:55 am I think Kyle should take his shot tonight. It will help confirm him, strengthening our town core and narrowing down the PoE.

I think that if Kylemii doesn't shoot tonight, you should consider lynching him tomorrow. I don't buy the role claim so easily, not among all the flips we've had so far.
I'm not complaining about my upcoming demise. Kylemii, if telling the truth, has a lot of value. But if he doesn't use it soon, like tonight, I'd lynch the heck out of him for having such a simple role claim.

And I vote Enrique. Kill two birds with one stone.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:18 am Should we just run an informal poll of who Kyle should vig?

No why would you do that

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:29 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:55 am I think Kyle should take his shot tonight. It will help confirm him, strengthening our town core and narrowing down the PoE.

I think that if Kylemii doesn't shoot tonight, you should consider lynching him tomorrow. I don't buy the role claim so easily, not among all the flips we've had so far.
I'm not complaining about my upcoming demise. Kylemii, if telling the truth, has a lot of value. But if he doesn't use it soon, like tonight, I'd lynch the heck out of him for having such a simple role claim.

And I vote Enrique. Kill two birds with one stone.

Smart.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:29 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:55 am I think Kyle should take his shot tonight. It will help confirm him, strengthening our town core and narrowing down the PoE.

I think that if Kylemii doesn't shoot tonight, you should consider lynching him tomorrow. I don't buy the role claim so easily, not among all the flips we've had so far.
I'm not complaining about my upcoming demise. Kylemii, if telling the truth, has a lot of value. But if he doesn't use it soon, like tonight, I'd lynch the heck out of him for having such a simple role claim.

And I vote Enrique. Kill two birds with one stone.

You don't think he may be blocked tonight? If there is a bad blocker (or item) or a 3P block, or a civ blocker taking suspicion, that he would not be a likely target for a block?

I am not a fan of the thread directing people how to use their powers and holding them hostage in this way.

I would strongly oppose lynching Kyle if his shot does not go through tonight. Too many variables out of his control.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:39 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:29 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:55 am I think Kyle should take his shot tonight. It will help confirm him, strengthening our town core and narrowing down the PoE.

I think that if Kylemii doesn't shoot tonight, you should consider lynching him tomorrow. I don't buy the role claim so easily, not among all the flips we've had so far.
I'm not complaining about my upcoming demise. Kylemii, if telling the truth, has a lot of value. But if he doesn't use it soon, like tonight, I'd lynch the heck out of him for having such a simple role claim.

And I vote Enrique. Kill two birds with one stone.

You don't think he may be blocked tonight? If there is a bad blocker (or item) or a 3P block, or a civ blocker taking suspicion, that he would not be a likely target for a block?

I am not a fan of the thread directing people how to use their powers and holding them hostage in this way.

"Like!"

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:39 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:29 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:55 am I think Kyle should take his shot tonight. It will help confirm him, strengthening our town core and narrowing down the PoE.

I think that if Kylemii doesn't shoot tonight, you should consider lynching him tomorrow. I don't buy the role claim so easily, not among all the flips we've had so far.
I'm not complaining about my upcoming demise. Kylemii, if telling the truth, has a lot of value. But if he doesn't use it soon, like tonight, I'd lynch the heck out of him for having such a simple role claim.

And I vote Enrique. Kill two birds with one stone.

You don't think he may be blocked tonight? If there is a bad blocker (or item) or a 3P block, or a civ blocker taking suspicion, that he would not be a likely target for a block?

I am not a fan of the thread directing people how to use their powers and holding them hostage in this way.

The scum blocker is dead. I don't buy a 3p block. Civ block should f*** off.

If we hadn't had a scum blocker flip, I wouldn't have suggested it.
Beside, I said "Soon, like tonight." If you guys give Kylemii two days, to shake off redirects or blocks, that's up to you.

And how am I holding him hostage? I'll be dead.

Actually, the scum redirector AND the scum blocker have flipped. Pay attention, y'all. Kylemii has almost no variables out of his control.

He should be the one to choose who gets vigged. He should also use the vig soon.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:37 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:18 am Should we just run an informal poll of who Kyle should vig?

No why would you do that

Why wouldn’t we? An “extra lynch” is more data to analyze, etc. Do you trust Kyle more than you trust a bunch of other people put together?

Luna was the scum redirector.
JJJ was the scum blocker.

Games almost never have more than one redirector or blocker on the mafia team. Kylemii should be able to get the kill through.

If we didn't happen to have dead-weight Enrique, I would strongly oppose using the vig. We don't even know if there's a mafia left, and he'd be lucky to guess a 3p, so we'd probably just end up eliminating a civ for no good reason. But might as well kill Enri since he is not contributing to the civ numbers anyway.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:54 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:37 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:18 am Should we just run an informal poll of who Kyle should vig?

No why would you do that

Why wouldn’t we? An “extra lynch” is more data to analyze, etc. Do you trust Kyle more than you trust a bunch of other people put together?

Yep

If we actually have a hostile 3p I don't want them knowing Kyle's plan.

I can kill tonight if that's what everyone agrees is best.

the only thing I have to say about killing eko is that we don't really need to kill him at all in order to clear him. if the mafia kills tonight we can assume eko is civ.

and then basically ignore him I guess

its not as sexy but it is practical

But if he's civ it doesn't matter since he's not voting, and if there's no mafia kill we still can't be certain if they're gone or if he's the last one (though surely he would have been replaced or something by now if so bc that would be very silly) or the kill might fail for some other reason. So you might as well just off him, unless he comes back to contribute.

Even if he can’t vote, though, a civ Enri buys us time closer to endgame, if it comes down to that.

I dunno. I can go either way on that.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:21 pm Even if he can’t vote, though, a civ Enri buys us time closer to endgame, if it comes down to that.

I dunno. I can go either way on that.

That's technically true I guess.

sure, that's true. but we're talking about the cost difference between spending a kill to figure out who's alignment and not spending anything and figuring it out for free.

the game would essentially end (practically speaking) in the same phase whether or not eko is alive or dead. if there's no kill tonight then the smart move by default would be night killing eko the next night but other than that it seems valuable to hang on to it or use it to reduce PoE? Unless the most important thing is taking me out of the PoE asap then killing eko is fine, I guess.