The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:46 pm**

I'm sorry I didn't mean it as an insult

i stopped carrying after all of my reads were bashed to the ground and I'm pushed away from forming any sort of read

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:47 pm**

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:28 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:24 am i will be *very* surprised if ted flips wolf, and will also give them an oscar on emotion performance.
ted is just a wolf here. he is tap dancing on your head and doing a wolfy jig and just crying out "hello, I'm a wolf, vote me up!" and then laughing because y'all are too cowardly to do it.

talk about other stuff please

what are your other reads

do you have any comment on my earlier exchange with carotte

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:49 pm**

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:11 am @Sloonei @nutella
Can you point me at a game where Long Con is waffley/indecisive early on as town?

probably, why?

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:51 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:46 am There's a world where moth is actually a wolf that was miscleared by Marcher and me calling him out makes for a perfect scenario where there are 2 villagers arguing with each other and after the death of both of us, everyone remains with the idea of "moth town" in their minds.

It's kind of a distancing tactic, you lock your wolf partner as town for a lil' bit while also fueling the t/t fight

but wolves don't care to make this stuff because they're low posters anyway + I found some of moth's posts villager-y so it shouldn't really be mulled upon as of right now.

maybe not low posters but just, under the radar / don't push a lot of stuff

I think in that scenario, if wolves were to capitalise on a thing like that, it would've been slightly more experienced players.

what is the point of this post

maybe it's that I just woke up and can't read but like.... I'm not following

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:53 pm**

Dunya wanted me to expound on my theory, I said that it's not worth looking into

Marcher is like 100% wrong on moth btw, his read is not correct in any world, moth could still be town but that's not a reason that brings him >rand value

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:54 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:10 pm if turnip is bad, i'd be surprised if lissa isn't tbh.

hmm why?

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:54 pm**

(I started being a grumpy old man about mafia slang in spec chat while making this post, so it took me a while.)

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:51 pm Idk how Jovan plays but nothing he's said is interesting or a hot take, just talked about game mechanics and gone why why why this that.

Dislike

This was the first time I felt a slight twinge of suspicion, but I think it was a sensitive reaction on my part because this is the type of thing people usually say about me. Those people are not always town, but they're not always mafiers either. Either way, I didn't love this read. Asking questions = good. KZA reiterated this exact point later on:

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:27 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:24 pm KZA, can you tell me why you thought Marcher was scum?
It's in my iso but his vote on Tony was awful and his game is littered with pointless questions he doesn't follow up on

I am not sure I agree that there's been little-to-no follow up from Marcher Jovian, and even if there is, sometimes the line of inquiry ends after a single step. Speaking from experience. Also my slogan has always been that a question on Day 1 has value on Day 3. Basically I'm responding to this accusation as if it is personally directed at me.

But that's not really why I placed a vote on KZA. Let's start with this:

Spoiler: show

I don't really see this approach being backed up by his Day 1 play. I see a reactionary player who is not moving the needle very much. dunya called his reads "safe" and people argued about that word, but I see what she is getting at. KZA's reads are stated as though they're in a bubble. I do not see him prodding his suspects to advance his reads much at all. They are not active reads.

I continued to get that sense when I came out on Day 2:

Spoiler: show

These are just placeholder posts. I need to be fair to KZA and give him time to follow through on those ISOs (and he certainly has the potential to change my mind), but posts like these strike me as a player biding their time when they don't know what else to say.

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:56 pm**

Vague exercise: Read all of Marcher Jovian's posts as if I am writing them.

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:58 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:49 pm why does nutella have LC lock town? @nutella

not a lock but. he feels genuine/uninformed and part of it is a kind of angleshooty reason tbh which I want to stop bringing up so I'd like him to do more in game to validate my townread lol

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:59 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:47 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:28 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:24 am i will be *very* surprised if ted flips wolf, and will also give them an oscar on emotion performance.
ted is just a wolf here. he is tap dancing on your head and doing a wolfy jig and just crying out "hello, I'm a wolf, vote me up!" and then laughing because y'all are too cowardly to do it.
talk about other stuff please

what are your other reads

do you have any comment on my earlier exchange with carotte

Your "I thought you were softing masons and was testing and immediately admitting when got results" thing feels pretty townie. It feels like the sort of thing were people go "no wolf ever thinks of this, nutella's probably town". Then someone goes "well eh, it's possible it could come from a wolf, we shouldn't rule it out". Then you become a wagon, get banished, and surprised_pikachu_face.jpg.

Watch this be the exact time I'm wrong lol

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:01 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:49 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:11 am @Sloonei @nutella
Can you point me at a game where Long Con is waffley/indecisive early on as town?
probably, why?

because everyone else is reading Long Con town but I'm not there so I want to see if the meta read is legit or if everyone else is wrong

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:01 pm**

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:02 pm**

We've got a hell of a vote spread going on right now.

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:02 pm**

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:01 pm [VOTE: KZA] aubergine

y?

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:02 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:38 pm the thing i struggle with the most when i'm wolf is finding people to suspect.

do you think i have struggled with that here, ted?

hi i'm not ted but tbf you have been kind of handing out townreads like candy and I'm not sure who you suspect rn

maybe turnip and kza?

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:03 pm**

still don't understand why anyone suspects kza tbh they're like a shining beacon of townieness imo

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:04 pm**

oh sloonei just posted something about that

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:04 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:03 pm still don't understand why anyone suspects kza tbh they're like a shining beacon of townieness imo

What shiny things has he done this game?

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm**

I think bronana is town.

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm**

that didn't feel like a real sentence as i was typing it.

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm**

Dammit, just shoot me.

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm I think bronana is town.

What prompted this read?

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm**

I wanna town read Dunya for wanting to hand town reads like candy in this game state, because it comes from the PoV of a villager that wants to advance the game in some sort of way if that makes sense

the timing of it is better than the actual action

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:06 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm I wanna town read Dunya for wanting to hand town reads like candy in this game state, because it comes from the PoV of a villager that wants to advance the game in some sort of way if that makes sense

the timing of it is better than the actual action

stop making good posts that's illegal

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:07 pm**

that post is out of my wolf range

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:07 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm I think bronana is town.
What prompted this read?

I just had to do a lot of catchup because I was not online much yesterday, and I remember thinking he feels towny.

He's not on the poll today, did that get noted yet? It just messed me up for a sec.

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:08 pm**

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:06 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm I wanna town read Dunya for wanting to hand town reads like candy in this game state, because it comes from the PoV of a villager that wants to advance the game in some sort of way if that makes sense

the timing of it is better than the actual action
stop making good posts that's illegal

If I asked you to summarize your outlook on the state of this game right now in 250-500 words, what would you say?

You should also upload your resume with a cover letter.

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:09 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:08 pm If I asked you to summarize your outlook on the state of this game right now in 250-500 words

dead x 250 - 500 times

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:09 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm I think bronana is town.
What prompted this read?
I just had to do a lot of catchup because I was not online much yesterday, and I remember thinking he feels towny. He's not on the poll today, did that get noted yet? It just messed me up for a sec.

I... had not noticed that, no. Hm. I think that's a standard Epi mechanic, though I might be conflating his recent games with other games I've played.

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:09 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:36 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:07 am Has anyone discussed that the NK points away from me and dunya as being mafia yet?

Cause it does.

Brownie points to whomever says why first. Preferably tagging me so I see it too.
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME the nk points away from nanook and dunya from being mafia for reasons. I won't explain them because sharing thoughts is anti-town.

Read how glory works and get back to me

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:10 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:09 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm I think bronana is town.
What prompted this read?
I just had to do a lot of catchup because I was not online much yesterday, and I remember thinking he feels towny. He's not on the poll today, did that get noted yet? It just messed me up for a sec.
I... had not noticed that, no. Hm. I think that's a standard Epi mechanic, though I might be conflating his recent games with other games I've played.

I thought I had mixed up games again, and bronana was in Space Invaders, when I scrolled up and didn't see his name.

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:11 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:54 pm (I started being a grumpy old man about mafia slang in spec chat while making this post, so it took me a while.)
KZA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:51 pm Idk how Jovan plays but nothing he's said is interesting or a hot take, just talked about game mechanics and gone why why why this that.

Dislike
This was the first time I felt a slight twinge of suspicion, but I think it was a sensitive reaction on my part because this is the type of thing people usually say about me. Those people are not always town, but they're not always mafiers either. Either way, I didn't love this read. Asking questions = good. KZA reiterated this exact point later on:
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:27 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:24 pm KZA, can you tell me why you thought Marcher was scum?
It's in my iso but his vote on Tony was awful and his game is littered with pointless questions he doesn't follow up on
I am not sure I agree that there's been little-to-no follow up from Marcher Jovian, and even if there is, sometimes the line of inquiry ends after a single step. Speaking from experience. Also my slogan has always been that a question on Day 1 has value on Day 3. Basically I'm responding to this accusation as if it is personally directed at me.

But that's not really why I placed a vote on KZA. Let's start with this:
Spoiler: show
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:20 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:10 pm Like Moth. A little flippant, drawing attention, ramping up the thread.

Don't like MacD. You want more content; but do not create anything yourself, or even anything about another player.

Ask me anything I'm KZA
What does KZA like to do in mafia games, and what sort of things do they look for, particularly on Day 1?
I like throwing votes everywhere and making audacious claims. On day 1 I look for da scum of course.
I don't really see this approach being backed up by his Day 1 play. I see a reactionary player who is not moving the needle very much. dunya called his reads "safe" and people argued about that word, but I see what she is getting at. KZA's reads are stated as though they're in a bubble. I do not see him prodding his suspects to advance his reads much at all. They are not active reads.

I continued to get that sense when I came out on Day 2:
Spoiler: show
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:58 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:52 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:49 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:49 pm Tell me about Soneji.
Oh I missed your summary post

Don't really like that case tbh
Yeah I can see why it's my least wolf wolf case. It was in "to sort" but then I was like eeeeeeeh nah it feels better under the line. What do you think about Sloonei Turnip Head nutella?
Sloonei and nutella will require ISOing for me to say anything right now. Turnip Head I don't know as a player but he seemed pretty sure of his case on MR which I want to say is townie?
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:09 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:59 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:18 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:11 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:58 pm
Spoiler: show

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:52 pm

Yeah I can see why it's my least wolf wolf case. It was in "to sort" but then I was like eeeeeeeh nah it feels better under the line. What do you think about Sloonei Turnip Head nutella?
Sloonei and nutella will require ISOing for me to say anything right now. Turnip Head I don't know as a player but he seemed pretty sure of his case on MR which I want to say is townie?
Well I think his case was like "I ISO'ed him and his bad, I had 2/2 on him before so I'm right". It's doesn't feel like a townie that built a case and feel super confident in it.
We'll see, I'm more interested in the people that followed him on to Radishes for the time being
What about Sloonei?
Quoting this as a self-reminder to ISO Sloonei and Nutella tomorrow, pretty much out the door in a couple minute here.

Carot's latest work is looking good to me
These are just placeholder posts. I need to be fair to KZA and give him time to follow through on those ISOs (and he certainly has the potential to change my mind), but posts like these strike me as a player biding their time when they don't know what else to say.

hmmmm alright maybe I should at least take a look at his iso. I remember having real-time reasons to soul townread him, like light mindmelding or a sense that he had an honest mindset/approach, but I can't really remember what these actually were which is maybe not a great sign

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:11 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:56 pm Vague exercise: Read all of Marcher Jovian's posts as if I am writing them.

not even close

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:12 pm**

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:59 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:47 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:28 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 10:24 am i will be *very* surprised if ted flips wolf, and will also give them an oscar on emotion performance.
ted is just a wolf here. he is tap dancing on your head and doing a wolfy jig and just crying out "hello, I'm a wolf, vote me up!" and then laughing because y'all are too cowardly to do it.
talk about other stuff please

what are your other reads

do you have any comment on my earlier exchange with carotte
Your "I thought you were softing masons and was testing and immediately admitting when got results" thing feels pretty townie. It feels like the sort of thing were people go "no wolf ever thinks of this, nutella's probably town". Then someone goes "well eh, it's possible it could come from a wolf, we shouldn't rule it out". Then you become a wagon, get banished, and surprised_pikachu_face.jpg.

Watch this be the exact time I'm wrong lol

lol k

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:13 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:08 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:06 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm I wanna town read Dunya for wanting to hand town reads like candy in this game state, because it comes from the PoV of a villager that wants to advance the game in some sort of way if that makes sense

the timing of it is better than the actual action
stop making good posts that's illegal
If I asked you to summarize your outlook on the state of this game right now in 250-500 words, what would you say?

You should also upload your resume with a cover letter.

today feels a lot better than yesterday. like things and solving are actually happening and town is finding town and working out and comparing their PoEs rather than everyone trying to chase down their own lead. good vibes. I'm a bit afraid we might be missing something right now and I'm getting pocketed by someone, but eh better to focus on chasing down the shallower wolves first and working off of a flip.

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:14 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm I think bronana is town.
What prompted this read?
I just had to do a lot of catchup because I was not online much yesterday, and I remember thinking he feels towny. He's not on the poll today, did that get noted yet? It just messed me up for a sec.

It did get noted yes

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:15 pm**

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:08 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:06 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm I wanna town read Dunya for wanting to hand town reads like candy in this game state, because it comes from the PoV of a villager that wants to advance the game in some sort of way if that makes sense

the timing of it is better than the actual action
stop making good posts that's illegal
If I asked you to summarize your outlook on the state of this game right now in 250-500 words, what would you say?

You should also upload your resume with a cover letter.
today feels a lot better than yesterday. like things and solving are actually happening and town is finding town and working out and comparing their PoEs rather than everyone trying to chase down their own lead. good vibes. I'm a bit afraid we might be missing something right now and I'm getting pocketed by someone, but eh better to focus on chasing down the shallower wolves first and working off of a flip.

Which players have been the most noteworthy in this sudden uptick of game-solving? Where does your discomfort about potential pocketing stem from? Can you name names again? What might we be missing? Feel free to just vomit words, I don't care about (or even necessarily want) fully developed thoughts on this.

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:33 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:15 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:08 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:06 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:05 pm I wanna town read Dunya for wanting to hand town reads like candy in this game state, because it comes from the PoV of a villager that wants to advance the game in some sort of way if that makes sense

the timing of it is better than the actual action
stop making good posts that's illegal
If I asked you to summarize your outlook on the state of this game right now in 250-500 words, what would you say?

You should also upload your resume with a cover letter.
today feels a lot better than yesterday. like things and solving are actually happening and town is finding town and working out and comparing their PoEs rather than everyone trying to chase down their own lead. good vibes. I'm a bit afraid we might be missing something right now and I'm getting pocketed by someone, but eh better to focus on chasing down the shallower wolves first and working off of a flip.
Which players have been the most noteworthy in this sudden uptick of game-solving? Where does your discomfort about potential pocketing stem from? Can you name names again? What might we be missing? Feel free to just vomit words, I don't care about (or even necessarily want) fully developed thoughts on this.

good new stuff: tedx's today right now feels so much better than his yesterday. You sticking out notes to compare on KZA and the talk about why KZA in general
potential pockets: you and dunya, primarily. You did a kinda white-knighty thing when you said you liked the way I posted and thought it reminded you of yourself yesterday when ted was focusing me and ted called you (and zack) out on it. Your playstyle vibe thus far has felt kinda procedural? Like not necessarily bad, just very measured and by the book and easily replicatable as either alignment. Dunya is a few things. Like her early posts on d1 felt a bit dunya.exe (though that might be just a multitabling thing) and her sheep onto radishes and eod in general feels kinda ehhhh. d2 feels fine and actually feels good vibes but I know she's a good player and has nothing really clearing her and stepping between a tvt tunnel and saying "I think you're both town" is a classic move for cred

other fears/missing things—Long Con read, which I don't get but is just kinda accepted without challenge. Just generally being with good players who aren't out of wolf range like zack or visor. Lissa town reads.

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:35 pm**

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:40 pm**

I was like a leading wagon yesterday and was facing significant pressure overnight, now I feel kinda ?safe and out of contention?
what happened
weird vibes

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:41 pm**

did I mess up somewhere? Am I seen as useful now for some reason?

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:41 pm**

Jovian hella town

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:41 pm**

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:41 pm did I mess up somewhere? Am I seen as useful now for some reason?

I think you're useful, yes!

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:43 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:41 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:41 pm did I mess up somewhere? Am I seen as useful now for some reason?
I think you're useful, yes!

meant in reference to being a tool that helps advance mafia wincon

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:44 pm**

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:41 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:41 pm did I mess up somewhere? Am I seen as useful now for some reason?
I think you're useful, yes!
meant in reference to being a tool that helps advance mafia wincon

Yes I know. But if you're a civilian then your voice is a good one to have.

Who has stopped suspecting you?

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:45 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:44 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:37 am who are the wolves and villas tsp
villas from the player list:
me
mac
moto(?)
LC
Moth
Carotte
Lissa
Leaning towards putting Sloonei here
And then TH too but I don't remember why
soft town on brononananaaa

wolves: presumably everyone else

Why is motobot in the good pile?
What makes you hesitant about Sloonei?

Lissa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:09 am hrm

I feel worse about carote than nutella in this exchange I think

Why worse?

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:18 am can we talk about the other wagons eod yesterday? like wilgy that was gonna take off before he came into the thread and started contributing his open ended, blank contributions (and now vanished again) and carot.

Hey dunya, you said DrWilgy is a low-poster but in this specific game he's just almost not here. Apparently according to nutella it's normal, what do you think about that?

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:05 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:58 am
dunya wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:56 am oh and nanook lock town for me tbh.
Is this just like a dead confident meta read or is there something else?
we were the three musketeers; no way nanook would kill tutuu and make us the two musketeers. nanook town.
[...]

Do you think w!NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME "potato" in gamethread while veto-ing night kills?

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:49 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:44 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:41 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:41 pm did I mess up somewhere? Am I seen as useful now for some reason?
I think you're useful, yes!
meant in reference to being a tool that helps advance mafia wincon
Yes I know. But if you're a civilian then your voice is a good one to have.

Who has stopped suspecting you?

I mean it's not quite not "stopping suspicion" but bronana acted like he had a slam dunk case on me last night and is now on nutella. Lissa's on Soneji now, as is TSP. KZA I don't think has even voted yet today?

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:49 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:54 pm
Spoiler: show
(I started being a grumpy old man about mafia slang in spec chat while making this post, so it took me a while.)
KZA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:51 pm Idk how Jovan plays but nothing he's said is interesting or a hot take, just talked about game mechanics and gone why why why this that.

Dislike
This was the first time I felt a slight twinge of suspicion, but I think it was a sensitive reaction on my part because this is the type of thing people usually say about me. Those people are not always town, but they're not always mafiers either. Either way, I didn't love this read. Asking questions = good. KZA reiterated this exact point later on:
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:27 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:24 pm KZA, can you tell me why you thought Marcher was scum?
It's in my iso but his vote on Tony was awful and his game is littered with pointless questions he doesn't follow up on
I am not sure I agree that there's been little-to-no follow up from Marcher Jovian, and even if there is, sometimes the line of inquiry ends after a single step. Speaking from experience. Also my slogan has always been that a question on Day 1 has value on Day 3. Basically I'm responding to this accusation as if it is personally directed at me.

But that's not really why I placed a vote on KZA. Let's start with this:
Spoiler: show
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:20 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:10 pm Like Moth. A little flippant, drawing attention, ramping up the thread.

Don't like MacD. You want more content; but do not create anything yourself, or even anything about another player.

Ask me anything I'm KZA
What does KZA like to do in mafia games, and what sort of things do they look for, particularly on Day 1?
I like throwing votes everywhere and making audacious claims. On day 1 I look for da scum of course.
I don't really see this approach being backed up by his Day 1 play. I see a reactionary player who is not moving the needle very much. dunya called his reads "safe" and people argued about that word, but I see what she is getting at. KZA's reads are stated as though they're in a bubble. I do not see him prodding his suspects to advance his reads much at all. They are not active reads.

I continued to get that sense when I came out on Day 2:
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KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:58 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:52 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:49 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:49 pm Tell me about Soneji.
Oh I missed your summary post

Don't really like that case tbh
Yeah I can see why it's my least wolf wolf case. It was in "to sort" but then I was like eeeeeeeh nah it feels better under the line. What do you think about Sloonei Turnip Head nutella?
Sloonei and nutella will require ISOing for me to say anything right now. Turnip Head I don't know as a player but he seemed pretty sure of his case on MR which I want to say is townie?
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:09 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:59 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:18 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:11 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:58 pm
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Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:52 pm

Yeah I can see why it's my least wolf wolf case. It was in "to sort" but then I was like eeeeeeeh nah it feels better under the line. What do you think about Sloonei Turnip Head nutella?
Sloonei and nutella will require ISOing for me to say anything right now. Turnip Head I don't know as a player but he seemed pretty sure of his case on MR which I want to say is townie?
Well I think his case was like "I ISO'ed him and his bad, I had 2/2 on him before so I'm right". It's doesn't feel like a townie that built a case and feel super confident in it.
We'll see, I'm more interested in the people that followed him on to Radishes for the time being
What about Sloonei?
Quoting this as a self-reminder to ISO Sloonei and Nutella tomorrow, pretty much out the door in a couple minute here.

Carot's latest work is looking good to me
These are just placeholder posts. I need to be fair to KZA and give him time to follow through on those ISOs (and he certainly has the potential to change my mind), but posts like these strike me as a player biding their time when they don't know what else to say.

How do you feel about KZA EoD? Him jumping from wagon to wagon etc?

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:50 pm**

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:49 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:54 pm
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(I started being a grumpy old man about mafia slang in spec chat while making this post, so it took me a while.)
KZA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:51 pm Idk how Jovan plays but nothing he's said is interesting or a hot take, just talked about game mechanics and gone why why why this that.

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This was the first time I felt a slight twinge of suspicion, but I think it was a sensitive reaction on my part because this is the type of thing people usually say about me. Those people are not always town, but they're not always mafiers either. Either way, I didn't love this read. Asking questions = good. KZA reiterated this exact point later on:
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:27 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:24 pm KZA, can you tell me why you thought Marcher was scum?
It's in my iso but his vote on Tony was awful and his game is littered with pointless questions he doesn't follow up on
I am not sure I agree that there's been little-to-no follow up from Marcher Jovian, and even if there is, sometimes the line of inquiry ends after a single step. Speaking from experience. Also my slogan has always been that a question on Day 1 has value on Day 3. Basically I'm responding to this accusation as if it is personally directed at me.

But that's not really why I placed a vote on KZA. Let's start with this:
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KZA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:20 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:10 pm Like Moth. A little flippant, drawing attention, ramping up the thread.

Don't like MacD. You want more content; but do not create anything yourself, or even anything about another player.

Ask me anything I'm KZA
What does KZA like to do in mafia games, and what sort of things do they look for, particularly on Day 1?
I like throwing votes everywhere and making audacious claims. On day 1 I look for da scum of course.
I don't really see this approach being backed up by his Day 1 play. I see a reactionary player who is not moving the needle very much. dunya called his reads "safe" and people argued about that word, but I see what she is getting at. KZA's reads are stated as though they're in a bubble. I do not see him prodding his suspects to advance his reads much at all. They are not active reads.

I continued to get that sense when I came out on Day 2:
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KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:58 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:52 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:49 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:49 pm Tell me about Soneji.
Oh I missed your summary post

Don't really like that case tbh
Yeah I can see why it's my least wolf wolf case. It was in "to sort" but then I was like eeeeeeeh nah it feels better under the line. What do you think about Sloonei Turnip Head nutella?
Sloonei and nutella will require ISOing for me to say anything right now. Turnip Head I don't know as a player but he seemed pretty sure of his case on MR which I want to say is townie?
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:09 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:59 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:18 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:11 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:58 pm
Spoiler: show

Sloonei and nutella will require ISOing for me to say anything right now. Turnip Head I don't know as a player but he seemed pretty sure of his case on MR which I want to say is townie?
Well I think his case was like "I ISO'ed him and his bad, I had 2/2 on him before so I'm right". It's doesn't feel like a townie that built a case and feel super confident in it.
We'll see, I'm more interested in the people that followed him on to Radishes for the time being
What about Sloonei?
Quoting this as a self-reminder to ISO Sloonei and Nutella tomorrow, pretty much out the door in a couple minute here.

Carot's latest work is looking good to me
These are just placeholder posts. I need to be fair to KZA and give him time to follow through on those ISOs (and he certainly has the potential to change my mind), but posts like these strike me as a player biding their time when they don't know what else to say.

How do you feel about KZA EoD? Him jumping from wagon to wagon etc?

I was not here, so I do not have any sense of what his activity was like.

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:00 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:50 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:49 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:54 pm
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(I started being a grumpy old man about mafia slang in spec chat while making this post, so it took me a while.)
KZA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:51 pm Idk how Jovan plays but nothing he's said is interesting or a hot take, just talked about game mechanics and gone why why why this that.

Dislike
This was the first time I felt a slight twinge of suspicion, but I think it was a sensitive reaction on my part because this is the type of thing people usually say about me. Those people are not always town, but they're not always mafiers either. Either way, I didn't love this read. Asking questions = good. KZA reiterated this exact point later on:
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:27 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:24 pm KZA, can you tell me why you thought Marcher was scum?
It's in my iso but his vote on Tony was awful and his game is littered with pointless questions he doesn't follow up on
I am not sure I agree that there's been little-to-no follow up from Marcher Jovian, and even if there is, sometimes the line of inquiry ends after a single step. Speaking from experience. Also my slogan has always been that a question on Day 1 has value on Day 3. Basically I'm responding to this accusation as if it is personally directed at me.

But that's not really why I placed a vote on KZA. Let's start with this:
Spoiler: show
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:20 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:10 pm Like Moth. A little flippant, drawing attention, ramping up the thread.

Don't like MacD. You want more content; but do not create anything yourself, or even anything about another player.

Ask me anything I'm KZA
What does KZA like to do in mafia games, and what sort of things do they look for, particularly on Day 1?
I like throwing votes everywhere and making audacious claims. On day 1 I look for da scum of course.
I don't really see this approach being backed up by his Day 1 play. I see a reactionary player who is not moving the needle very much. dunya called his reads "safe" and people argued about that word, but I see what she is getting at. KZA's reads are stated as though they're in a bubble. I do not see him prodding his suspects to advance his reads much at all. They are not active reads.

I continued to get that sense when I came out on Day 2:
Spoiler: show
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:58 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:52 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:49 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:49 pm Tell me about Soneji.
Oh I missed your summary post

Don't really like that case tbh
Yeah I can see why it's my least wolf wolf case. It was in "to sort" but then I was like eeeeeeeh nah it feels better under the line. What do you think about Sloonei Turnip Head nutella?
Sloonei and nutella will require ISOing for me to say anything right now. Turnip Head I don't know as a player but he seemed pretty sure of his case on MR which I want to say is townie?
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:09 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:59 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:18 pm
Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:11 pm
Well I think his case was like "I ISO'ed him and his bad, I had 2/2 on him before so I'm right". It's doesn't feel like a townie that built a case and feel super confident in it.
We'll see, I'm more interested in the people that followed him on to Radishes for the time being
What about Sloonei?
Quoting this as a self-reminder to ISO Sloonei and Nutella tomorrow, pretty much out the door in a couple minute here.

Carot's latest work is looking good to me
These are just placeholder posts. I need to be fair to KZA and give him time to follow through on those ISOs (and he certainly has the potential to change my mind), but posts like these strike me as a player biding their time when they don't know what else to say.

How do you feel about KZA EoD? Him jumping from wagon to wagon etc?
I was not here, so I do not have any sense of what his activity was like.

Alrigt

Here's a non-exhaustive posts collection of KZA at EoD

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