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Got busy last evening and 24 pages were spawned. Trying to play catchup while staying semi-involved in active discussion.Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:34 pmWhy don't I feel your presence much.
Wait, where is nanook?
The rest of the thread doesn't support that though. Tutuu has enough towniness established that even "okay, yes, I'm a wolf" couldn't really offset it.
Hmm I like this approach, interacting + catching up. I would take scums for only catching ups during EoD.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:36 pmGot busy last evening and 24 pages were spawned. Trying to play catchup while staying semi-involved in active discussion.Poison Chan wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:34 pmWhy don't I feel your presence much.
Wait, where is nanook?
What would you expect from me in terms of presence?
About exactly 7 hours from now. If your site time zone is set correctly it's the time at the top of the poll
I'm not sure whether you saw my reads list where I indicated I need to iso some people before I can put anyone else in my lean scum list. So, I can't answer your question right now.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:33 pmIf Hazelnut was dead who would you vote for rn gth?juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pmWhat should I have seen about you that would let me know "full well" that you're town? My mind is not a closed door so talk to me.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:26 pmyou know full well I am town and yet you are hopping on with empty reasons like I'm memeing a lotjuliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:28 pm Alright I finished reading nutella and I have similar thoughts to others who have just posted about her iso. There's not a lot there except for her scum read on me. She did, however, argue that Dr. Wilgy is town and ted is town which I agree with. I think what dilutes the reads she does have is how many posts she has that are about nothing important, like the soup posts and the joke posts. They overwhelm her other posts imo and that smacks of wolfy behavior. Up your post count and be seen as a presence by posting a lot about nothing.
But here's the rub. Like others before me have said, if she is wolf where are her teammates? There have been plenty of opportunities to run up a wagon on someone else. Did they give up early and are bussing her or voting on off wagons? It just doesn't feel right and that's a concern I have, though I still read her as scummy. I will vote her for now but read some other folks that I have null reads on and evaluate them.
Also I'll put together a reads list and post it.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
nope.
Herm is as green as grass though.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:37 pmThe rest of the thread doesn't support that though. Tutuu has enough towniness established that even "okay, yes, I'm a wolf" couldn't really offset it.
From the ISOs I've done so far (still eight to go) the only possible counterwagons to Nutella I could really get into would be Ted, Herm, or Odd.
Veto Herm. He feels different from G9. Different environment of course, but I think he's looser than that game. Could be wrong, I'm not reading closely, though.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:37 pmThe rest of the thread doesn't support that though. Tutuu has enough towniness established that even "okay, yes, I'm a wolf" couldn't really offset it.
From the ISOs I've done so far (still eight to go) the only possible counterwagons to Nutella I could really get into would be Ted, Herm, or Odd.
Not my intention to offset towniness. Anyone can think what they want in this situation and it's entirely possible I'm just bad with Tutuu in a day 1 scenario.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:37 pmThe rest of the thread doesn't support that though. Tutuu has enough towniness established that even "okay, yes, I'm a wolf" couldn't really offset it.
From the ISOs I've done so far (still eight to go) the only possible counterwagons to Nutella I could really get into would be Ted, Herm, or Odd.
I have 120 posts how have I been slankingMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:32 pmMmm...interesting question. I've twice wolfed with him where I died early and he won in end game on his own.
I've not read very closely and have missed several sections of the round, so huge grain of salt. But...i kind of felt he was town earlier on? I don't even know why, just something about his flavour of slank felt different to what I saw in those two games.
If I remember, I'll iso him later and see if my impression holds up.
I did... While acknowledging you are catching up, I do have concern about your vote and scum read on Hazelnut though. You reiterated something that seems to be a commonality without providing much else. I do hope you understand my concern.juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:39 pmI'm not sure whether you saw my reads list where I indicated I need to iso some people before I can put anyone else in my lean scum list. So, I can't answer your question right now.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:33 pmIf Hazelnut was dead who would you vote for rn gth?juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pmWhat should I have seen about you that would let me know "full well" that you're town? My mind is not a closed door so talk to me.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:26 pmyou know full well I am town and yet you are hopping on with empty reasons like I'm memeing a lotjuliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:28 pm Alright I finished reading nutella and I have similar thoughts to others who have just posted about her iso. There's not a lot there except for her scum read on me. She did, however, argue that Dr. Wilgy is town and ted is town which I agree with. I think what dilutes the reads she does have is how many posts she has that are about nothing important, like the soup posts and the joke posts. They overwhelm her other posts imo and that smacks of wolfy behavior. Up your post count and be seen as a presence by posting a lot about nothing.
But here's the rub. Like others before me have said, if she is wolf where are her teammates? There have been plenty of opportunities to run up a wagon on someone else. Did they give up early and are bussing her or voting on off wagons? It just doesn't feel right and that's a concern I have, though I still read her as scummy. I will vote her for now but read some other folks that I have null reads on and evaluate them.
Also I'll put together a reads list and post it.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
nope.
Up to my previous posting burst I’d read the entire thread too. Idk where this slanking thing comes from???NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:43 pmI have 120 posts how have I been slankingMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:32 pmMmm...interesting question. I've twice wolfed with him where I died early and he won in end game on his own.
I've not read very closely and have missed several sections of the round, so huge grain of salt. But...i kind of felt he was town earlier on? I don't even know why, just something about his flavour of slank felt different to what I saw in those two games.
If I remember, I'll iso him later and see if my impression holds up.
Because generally speaking from a town perspective a runaway wagon is bad. If it does hit a wolf there's no information gained on partners because of course with a runaway wagon they are just as likely to have bussed as not. If it doesn't hit a wolf that's even worse.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:41 pmNot my intention to offset towniness. Anyone can think what they want in this situation and it's entirely possible I'm just bad with Tutuu in a day 1 scenario.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:37 pmThe rest of the thread doesn't support that though. Tutuu has enough towniness established that even "okay, yes, I'm a wolf" couldn't really offset it.
From the ISOs I've done so far (still eight to go) the only possible counterwagons to Nutella I could really get into would be Ted, Herm, or Odd.
Why are counterwagons that much of a concern?
When I've been in the thread I've not seen you. I've only read about half the pages.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:43 pmI have 120 posts how have I been slankingMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:32 pmMmm...interesting question. I've twice wolfed with him where I died early and he won in end game on his own.
I've not read very closely and have missed several sections of the round, so huge grain of salt. But...i kind of felt he was town earlier on? I don't even know why, just something about his flavour of slank felt different to what I saw in those two games.
If I remember, I'll iso him later and see if my impression holds up.
Poorly? I mean to be a good slanker you should definitely be under fifty. A real expert would be in the twenties.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:43 pmI have 120 posts how have I been slankingMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:32 pmMmm...interesting question. I've twice wolfed with him where I died early and he won in end game on his own.
I've not read very closely and have missed several sections of the round, so huge grain of salt. But...i kind of felt he was town earlier on? I don't even know why, just something about his flavour of slank felt different to what I saw in those two games.
If I remember, I'll iso him later and see if my impression holds up.
Are you implying that it's in town favor to form a counter wagon even if the vote isn't the primary suspect?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:44 pmBecause generally speaking from a town perspective a runaway wagon is bad. If it does hit a wolf there's no information gained on partners because of course with a runaway wagon they are just as likely to have bussed as not. If it doesn't hit a wolf that's even worse.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:41 pmNot my intention to offset towniness. Anyone can think what they want in this situation and it's entirely possible I'm just bad with Tutuu in a day 1 scenario.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:37 pmThe rest of the thread doesn't support that though. Tutuu has enough towniness established that even "okay, yes, I'm a wolf" couldn't really offset it.
From the ISOs I've done so far (still eight to go) the only possible counterwagons to Nutella I could really get into would be Ted, Herm, or Odd.
Why are counterwagons that much of a concern?
So I ask you to tell me why you're town and you answer by saying I already know you're town because I'm a wolf, instead of pointing to towny things you may have done. That's not very convincing and I'm not a wolf.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:35 pmI mean you know I'm town because you're a wolfjuliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pmWhat should I have seen about you that would let me know "full well" that you're town? My mind is not a closed door so talk to me.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:26 pmyou know full well I am town and yet you are hopping on with empty reasons like I'm memeing a lotjuliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:28 pm Alright I finished reading nutella and I have similar thoughts to others who have just posted about her iso. There's not a lot there except for her scum read on me. She did, however, argue that Dr. Wilgy is town and ted is town which I agree with. I think what dilutes the reads she does have is how many posts she has that are about nothing important, like the soup posts and the joke posts. They overwhelm her other posts imo and that smacks of wolfy behavior. Up your post count and be seen as a presence by posting a lot about nothing.
But here's the rub. Like others before me have said, if she is wolf where are her teammates? There have been plenty of opportunities to run up a wagon on someone else. Did they give up early and are bussing her or voting on off wagons? It just doesn't feel right and that's a concern I have, though I still read her as scummy. I will vote her for now but read some other folks that I have null reads on and evaluate them.
Also I'll put together a reads list and post it.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
nope.
Dr. Wilgy, I don't understand your concern. I laid out what I found in Nutella's ISO and then voiced the concern that I have about there being no counter wagon. Please tell me what you object to.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:43 pmI did... While acknowledging you are catching up, I do have concern about your vote and scum read on Hazelnut though. You reiterated something that seems to be a commonality without providing much else. I do hope you understand my concern.juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:39 pmI'm not sure whether you saw my reads list where I indicated I need to iso some people before I can put anyone else in my lean scum list. So, I can't answer your question right now.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:33 pmIf Hazelnut was dead who would you vote for rn gth?juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pmWhat should I have seen about you that would let me know "full well" that you're town? My mind is not a closed door so talk to me.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:26 pmyou know full well I am town and yet you are hopping on with empty reasons like I'm memeing a lotjuliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:28 pm Alright I finished reading nutella and I have similar thoughts to others who have just posted about her iso. There's not a lot there except for her scum read on me. She did, however, argue that Dr. Wilgy is town and ted is town which I agree with. I think what dilutes the reads she does have is how many posts she has that are about nothing important, like the soup posts and the joke posts. They overwhelm her other posts imo and that smacks of wolfy behavior. Up your post count and be seen as a presence by posting a lot about nothing.
But here's the rub. Like others before me have said, if she is wolf where are her teammates? There have been plenty of opportunities to run up a wagon on someone else. Did they give up early and are bussing her or voting on off wagons? It just doesn't feel right and that's a concern I have, though I still read her as scummy. I will vote her for now but read some other folks that I have null reads on and evaluate them.
Also I'll put together a reads list and post it.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
nope.
Regardless, I won't say you should be voted for it yet.
The term "primary suspect" doesn't fit for me. There are multiple wolves available. I posted my read based on going through Nutella's ISO, but don't really feel compelled to pile on the runaway wagon to prove my support for the unified town. I would just as soon run up a wagon on someone else I think could be a wolf and see what kind of reactions that generates. Seeing how people move votes across competing wagons is one of the most useful wolf indicators for me, so I'm always gonna look for a counterwagon to form in this situation rather than just sleepwalk into EoD and hope we are all right about Nutella.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:46 pmAre you implying that it's in town favor to form a counter wagon even if the vote isn't the primary suspect?Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:44 pmBecause generally speaking from a town perspective a runaway wagon is bad. If it does hit a wolf there's no information gained on partners because of course with a runaway wagon they are just as likely to have bussed as not. If it doesn't hit a wolf that's even worse.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:41 pmNot my intention to offset towniness. Anyone can think what they want in this situation and it's entirely possible I'm just bad with Tutuu in a day 1 scenario.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:37 pmThe rest of the thread doesn't support that though. Tutuu has enough towniness established that even "okay, yes, I'm a wolf" couldn't really offset it.
From the ISOs I've done so far (still eight to go) the only possible counterwagons to Nutella I could really get into would be Ted, Herm, or Odd.
Why are counterwagons that much of a concern?
This is true on 451 and usually PlayDip, not so here, they let me endgame as town sometimes on syndicateMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:56 pm Upon reconsideration, Nook's reaction to me is kind of how I'd expect scum to react to an unjustified slanking accusation. But it also kind of fits Nook as a person. So I dunno.
I just don't want to read him tbh, since I should be good at it after watching him deep wolf twice on my team but don't want to be wrong. So I just won't try from now on.
If he gets to endgame chop him without thinking twice though.
everything I've done has been towny because I'm townjuliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:47 pmSo I ask you to tell me why you're town and you answer by saying I already know you're town because I'm a wolf, instead of pointing to towny things you may have done. That's not very convincing and I'm not a wolf.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:35 pmI mean you know I'm town because you're a wolfjuliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pmWhat should I have seen about you that would let me know "full well" that you're town? My mind is not a closed door so talk to me.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:26 pmyou know full well I am town and yet you are hopping on with empty reasons like I'm memeing a lotjuliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:28 pm Alright I finished reading nutella and I have similar thoughts to others who have just posted about her iso. There's not a lot there except for her scum read on me. She did, however, argue that Dr. Wilgy is town and ted is town which I agree with. I think what dilutes the reads she does have is how many posts she has that are about nothing important, like the soup posts and the joke posts. They overwhelm her other posts imo and that smacks of wolfy behavior. Up your post count and be seen as a presence by posting a lot about nothing.
But here's the rub. Like others before me have said, if she is wolf where are her teammates? There have been plenty of opportunities to run up a wagon on someone else. Did they give up early and are bussing her or voting on off wagons? It just doesn't feel right and that's a concern I have, though I still read her as scummy. I will vote her for now but read some other folks that I have null reads on and evaluate them.
Also I'll put together a reads list and post it.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
nope.
I vibe with this response but you realize how incredibly unhelpful it is yeahnutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:59 pmeverything I've done has been towny because I'm townjuliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:47 pmSo I ask you to tell me why you're town and you answer by saying I already know you're town because I'm a wolf, instead of pointing to towny things you may have done. That's not very convincing and I'm not a wolf.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:35 pmI mean you know I'm town because you're a wolfjuliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pmWhat should I have seen about you that would let me know "full well" that you're town? My mind is not a closed door so talk to me.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:26 pmyou know full well I am town and yet you are hopping on with empty reasons like I'm memeing a lotjuliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:28 pm Alright I finished reading nutella and I have similar thoughts to others who have just posted about her iso. There's not a lot there except for her scum read on me. She did, however, argue that Dr. Wilgy is town and ted is town which I agree with. I think what dilutes the reads she does have is how many posts she has that are about nothing important, like the soup posts and the joke posts. They overwhelm her other posts imo and that smacks of wolfy behavior. Up your post count and be seen as a presence by posting a lot about nothing.
But here's the rub. Like others before me have said, if she is wolf where are her teammates? There have been plenty of opportunities to run up a wagon on someone else. Did they give up early and are bussing her or voting on off wagons? It just doesn't feel right and that's a concern I have, though I still read her as scummy. I will vote her for now but read some other folks that I have null reads on and evaluate them.
Also I'll put together a reads list and post it.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
nope.
I meme a lot that's just me
I've given lots of reads and takes and interactions
You do meme a lot, and that's fine and fun.
I've given plenty of reasoning and defended townreads and frankly getting sick of the vague discrediting. I've explained the ones I have reasons for, find them yourself, if you have further specific questions go ahead but I have said something about every player at this pointTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:09 pmYou do meme a lot, and that's fine and fun.
Could you make time to go through your own ISO and pick out the "lots of reads"? When I went through it it seemed like there was a lot of "yeah that's shady" agreements, but I don't really look at those as "giving reads." In fact that is pretty much page one of my wolfing strategy; always support any suss on a townie. It doesn't require any reasoning to just agree, and ultimately wolves need the townies to chop each other so all suss is good suss and worthy of support.
I didn't see much of anything else that looked like giving reads in a widespread way, and your list was just a list as I recall, without any direct supporting reasoning.
you know i used to be misyeeted a lot in the old days but now i actually can't remember the last timeNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:23 pmHee ho
I uhnutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:24 pmyou know i used to be misyeeted a lot in the old days but now i actually can't remember the last timeNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:23 pmHee ho
If I could "find them myself" I wouldn't have asked. I told you how it looked to me, and I honestly don't think I was vague about it.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:20 pmI've given plenty of reasoning and defended townreads and frankly getting sick of the vague discrediting. I've explained the ones I have reasons for, find them yourself, if you have further specific questions go ahead but I have said something about every player at this pointTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:09 pmYou do meme a lot, and that's fine and fun.
Could you make time to go through your own ISO and pick out the "lots of reads"? When I went through it it seemed like there was a lot of "yeah that's shady" agreements, but I don't really look at those as "giving reads." In fact that is pretty much page one of my wolfing strategy; always support any suss on a townie. It doesn't require any reasoning to just agree, and ultimately wolves need the townies to chop each other so all suss is good suss and worthy of support.
I didn't see much of anything else that looked like giving reads in a widespread way, and your list was just a list as I recall, without any direct supporting reasoning.
What townieness do people see in you that I somehow miss?
