Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[Transcend]

in hindsight i'm possibly being too generous towards nanook/tony both being town when they've been parked on ilario for a long time, with seemingly no reason to support it from either end.

[ilario]

Strong town: alexa, Esooa, ilario, Lime Coke
Weak town: Wiml
Nulll: TSP
Upper POE: Nanook, EnderWiggin
Lower POE: MacDougall, Transcend

That's where I'm at.

Lol we have the exact same reada except I’d bump wiml up and the order of everything underneath is more scattered for me

[Transcend]

i do have to say, the thread was a lot more chaotic when the votes were like this



than it is now, that i seem to be the decided chop

and i will say that i made that ss around the same time that it is now

[Wiml]

Transcend's reads are really surface level and shallow and it feels like he's putting no effort in to try to dusguise that.

That's the best way I can describe what I'm conflicted on.

Interested what alexa thinks of this tbh.

I'll respond tomorrow.

Can you explain to me your read on Alison?

I'll respond tomorrow.

Tl;dr was a lot of generally towny posts (but nothing that pinged me as out of Alison's wolf range) and the derp clear thing which I no longer think is overwhelmingly towny but I think is at least >rand town.

It's a weak town read and I need to actually put work into reading Alison today after the original reasons I thought she was hard town were pretty much proven wrong. I'm finding myself liking a lot of her posts on catch up though.

[Wiml]

Wiml still a good target. Was misrepresenting me and implying he had good read on me until I called bullshit

You say misrepresenting but that's exactly what you did lol. I've also never implied anything about my read on you that has changed over the course of this game so I'm not sure what you're actually getting at there

[EnderWiggin]

yea this game gives me a bad feeling when me/nano/tsp are lumped into the majority poe when i feel that all 3 of us are probs town

but then whose mafia?

toying with ender/mac rn but i'll let u know my final solve with detailed reads after i'm done with like the last 6 pages

Lmao.

what's so funny?

Mac/Me as a pairing.

why?

We've been actively trying to get each other flipped at multiple points today.

Or at least I have. Can't actually tell if Mac is being fully serious or not.

[Wiml]

I still believe CFD's are good tbh

Depending on how they're done

Usually they're done poorly

The optimal way to flash wagon is that when a widely PoEed slot that makes a load of very self aware posts and ends up flipping wolf votes for a widely townread villager with ten minutes to go you should pile on said villager.

I'm slightly salty about that game still lol.

[Transcend]

but then whose mafia?

toying with ender/mac rn but i'll let u know my final solve with detailed reads after i'm done with like the last 6 pages

Lmao.

what's so funny?

Mac/Me as a pairing.

why?

We've been actively trying to get each other flipped at multiple points today.

Or at least I have. Can't actually tell if Mac is being fully serious or not.

why is mac a wolf

how does that boost my town equity if he's wolf

how does it speak for my alignment if he's town

answer these pls

[EnderWiggin]

Wiml still a good target. Was misrepresenting me and implying he had good read on me until I called bullshit

You say misrepresenting but that's exactly what you did lol. I've also never implied anything about my read on you that has changed over the course of this game so I'm not sure what you're actually getting at there

I used the words "Towntell", and then when you made that out to be a hard tell I instead changed it to town indicative. To ensure everyone understood my intention.

You made it out like I was backing down from "Towntell".

Also I was talking about you implying you had a good meta on me that you'd outed previous game.

Then when I pointed out how it was bad you were like "Yeah I guess I convinced myself it was good."

See how all my statements were correct? Weird like that.

[Wiml]

Honestly I think both wolves are probably just in Transcend/blade/Nook/Mac.

I shall overlook your bad entrance in lieu of Esooa testifying you always have bad entrances and the fact that you have the exact same POE as me.

This is the reason I was so weirded out by your push on me in the Stardew hydra game the first time I played with you lol.

[EnderWiggin]

toying with ender/mac rn but i'll let u know my final solve with detailed reads after i'm done with like the last 6 pages

Lmao.

what's so funny?

Mac/Me as a pairing.

why?

We've been actively trying to get each other flipped at multiple points today.

Or at least I have. Can't actually tell if Mac is being fully serious or not.

why is mac a wolf

how does that boost my town equity if he's wolf

how does it speak for my alignment if he's town

answer these pls

Mac is a wolf because his actions are self-based rather than town-based.

You/Mac have been pseudo-aggro on each other and unlikely to be w/w together.

Both of these answers I am pretty sure I've basically gone over before.

[Transcend]

u didn't answer the third question

if mac is town, what am i?

[Transcend]

also ur case on mac being "self-based" just indicates that he's 1p which from what i've gathered in this thread is a descriptor of how he approaches the game of mafia as either alignment. that doesn't speak for alignment, and as a result of this, i have trouble believing that ur conviction on this spot is genuine.

[EnderWiggin]

u didn't answer the third question

if mac is town, what am i?

I dunno.

I'll have to do extensive research on what "Not w/w" means.

[Transcend]

u didn't answer the third question

if mac is town, what am i?

I dunno.

I'll have to do extensive research on what "Not w/w" means.

i have the most posts in the thread how do u not have a read on me?

everyone else does besides like, tony.

[EnderWiggin]

Lmao.

[EnderWiggin]

Tbh, I'm not even explaining that. I'm just going to sit over here cracking up.

[EnderWiggin]

also ur case on mac being "self-based" just indicates that he's 1p which from what i've gathered in this thread is a descriptor of how he approaches the game of mafia as either alignment. that doesn't speak for alignment, and as a result of this, i have trouble believing that ur conviction on this spot is genuine.

Oh no.

Anyway.

[Wiml]

Wiml still a good target. Was misrepresenting me and implying he had good read on me until I called bullshit

You say misrepresenting but that's exactly what you did lol. I've also never implied anything about my read on you that has changed over the course of this game so I'm not sure what you're actually getting at there

I used the words "Towntell", and then when you made that out to be a hard tell I instead changed it to town indicative. To ensure everyone understood my intention.

You made it out like I was backing down from "Towntell".

Also I was talking about you implying you had a good meta on me that you'd outed previous game.

Then when I pointed out how it was bad you were like "Yeah I guess I convinced myself it was good."

See how all my statements were correct? Weird like that.

I didn't really buy the first thing but I think regardless of your alignment your reaction gives me enough doubt that I'm mistaken that I'll probably just drop this take tbh.

I said all the meta stuff on you before you came back to the thread though, unless I'm horribly mistaken, and that includes the "retraction". None of it was reactive to anything you said nor did anything really change for me (I said from the start of the game that the meta tells I had on you woukd be useless, it's just that I realised they were probably even more useless later on).

[Transcend]

well if u don't explain ur self then that's only going to tread ur scum equity in my books upwards

[Transcend]

and given that i'm town, u probably don't want ur scum equity to tread upwards in my books

[EnderWiggin]

I guess I'll die.

[Transcend]

why won't you explain yourself?

surely it's not that difficult....

[Transcend]

i agree w/ u that his actions are self based

i do not agree w/ u that because his actions are self based that indicates that he is a member of the mafia

if u could explain urself a little bit better it would really be dope

[EnderWiggin]

It's funnier this way.

[Wiml]

Oh, so when I take a nap the thread inflates by 20 pages. But when I'm caught up nobody wants to post. I see.

This but with 700 posts while I was asleep lol.

[Transcend]

this is coming from someone that thinks mac might be a member of the mafia as well, so if u want me to follow ur read then u need to convince me a bit more

[Transcend]

It's funnier this way.

it's rly not i'm getting kinda tilted

[Transcend]

wiml how do u feel about me now bby

[Transcend]

k well if ur not gonna reply to me about mac can u at least explain why given that i have the most volume in this thread as well as the most attention u don't have any read on me?

[EnderWiggin]

It's funnier this way.

it's rly not i'm getting kinda tilted

Transcend.

u didn't answer the third question

if mac is town, what am i?

I dunno.

I'll have to do extensive research on what "Not w/w" means.

Read it again.

[EnderWiggin]

I am 70% snark and sarcasm. One day people will understand this.

[Transcend]

why haven't u done ur research now....

[EnderWiggin]

Oh my lord.

[EnderWiggin]

Just read over what I was "researching" again.

[Transcend]

when i get heat on me all day and i'm town i'm gonna assume that people who are neutral have a bit more scum equity than those that actually pushed me as either town or mafia.

[EnderWiggin]

I didn't expect a joke response explaining my position to extend so long ngl.

[Transcend]

u were researching if we're not w/w?

i thought u already came to the conclusion that we're not w/w

and since mac is ur bigger read that makes me town in ur eyes

but if mac is mod confirmed town what would that make me?

[ilario]

Nanook, I had the instant urge to counter what you said because I don't remember you explaining your read on Matt besides volume cleared and because of my ADHD, but I forced myself to spot-check your ISO and I still don't see anything besides this -

What is there to explain, he has a huge number of posts and enough of them are townie that he's probably just town

Its not a complicated read and tbh idk how it isn't the prevailing thought

having a huge number of posts is completely NAI for him

and which one's of them are incredibly towny?

Idk that any of them are incredibly towny on their own, but there's a bunch that are somewhere between townie and kinda townie, and collectively that's enough for me to call him town

Considering Matt doesn't have volume tells (self-admitted and confirmed by multiple people who know him) I don't see any other reasoning? I don't get why you're just outright ignoring that

I didn't explain it at the time, no. So what? Do you think me saying now "yeah I think trans had a really strong opening" would matter to anyone? Unlikely, given that presumably the people voting him have read his opening and are voting him anyways, yeah? So I presented the part of the read i thought might be more compelling instead. Which hasn't worked, but it at least had a chance to.


Correct, I am ignoring it. Because it isn't a pure volume tell--if you guys say he can make 300 or 400 something posts as mafia, then ok sure maybe he can. Its a volume of townie posts, as I've said previously--he has a significant number of posts i think are kind of townie to pretty townie, so based on that collectively I think he's town. It isn't about one specific post, it isn't about just looking at a post count number, its about a critical mass of posts that I read and think "yeah thats townie" to the point that I just townread him.

He looks to me like he's trying to work with people and getting increasingly annoyed when those people are scumreading him. It seems to me that he's more frustrated at not being able to work with people than at being scumread. I think that's townie.

thats an interesting point because i feel like ive had a very similar reaction, did you get an otherwise impression on me to state that isnt the case?

I don't understand at all what you're asking me, rephrase it maybe?

it feeels like u tr'd transcend for something that i also did, so i was just asking where you got the impression that i havent been trying to work with people/have not been frustrated for the same thing transcend was frustrated at.

[EnderWiggin]

u were researching if we're not w/w?

i thought u already came to the conclusion that we're not w/w

and since mac is ur bigger read that makes me town in ur eyes

but if mac is mod confirmed town what would that make me?

You're so close.

[Transcend]

look dude i'm oblivious as fuck and i hate it

[EnderWiggin]

u didn't answer the third question

if mac is town, what am i?

I dunno.

I'll have to do extensive research on what "Not w/w" means.

[Transcend]

r u insinuating im a wolf if mac is town?

[EnderWiggin]

Transcend scummy. Mac Scummy. Mac not w/w with Transcend. If Mac is red, transcend is green.

If Mac is green, Transcend is probably red.

Colours.

[EnderWiggin]

r u insinuating im a wolf if mac is town?

[Transcend]

k

then why do u think i'm a wolf in a world where mac is town

[Transcend]

and why can't we be t/t

[EnderWiggin]

k

then why do u think i'm a wolf in a world where mac is town

Something something self-based play something

[Transcend]

why is self-based play scummy to u when that's like over half the population of mafia players?

[Transcend]

why is my self-based play less scummy than mac's?