Team Fortress Mafia [END]

[Marmot]

Who did you block again LC? I take it that you blocked Jack?

[Lime Coke]

NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.

If he's town, he's gamethrowing currently.

How is he gamethrowing?

Look at his vote.

I guess my concern is that you're accusing him of gamethrowing and being town, rather than scumreading him. Could he not be scum in this scenario?

I mean he did nearly 0 post on Day 1 which was what he did during Batman Mafia when he WAS mafia so the possibility is still there.

[Lime Coke]

Who did you block again LC? I take it that you blocked Jack?

I blocked Jack yes.

[Marmot]

Let's just fear-elim jack today so we don't have to deal with him in lylo.

No hard feelings Jack.

[VOTE: JackOfSharts] aubergine

[Gavial]

Do my townreads of LP, Mac, LC, Guillo, and sig check out?

Oh they are all town most likely yes.

[Gavial]

NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.

If he's town, he's gamethrowing currently.

Wait why’s that?

[Gavial]

I mean yeah he’s kinda playing anti town with the 1 scum in Roleblocker when it’s very likely both town but like I expect NAA is the type of player to make wrong reads but yet I see other people make em too so it ain’t far off from normal play so I don’t see any game throwing here.

[Gavial]

NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.

If he's town, he's gamethrowing currently.

How is he gamethrowing?

Look at his vote.

He’s just wrong RN.
I’m hoping he just copy and pastes my readslist and work from there.

[falcon45ca]

I mean yeah he’s kinda playing anti town with the 1 scum in Roleblocker when it’s very likely both town but like I expect NAA is the type of player to make wrong reads but yet I see other people make em too so it ain’t far off from normal play so I don’t see any game throwing here.

Why is the RB a role that's exclusive to Town?

[Gavial]

Dolby and Lime Coke are pretty damn Townie and they both claim roleblocker @NotAnAxehole

Wait, what? We've got 2 claimed RBers?




And you think they're both town?

Yes absolutely.
Roles are not AI.

So you do not believe that there are copy roles...1 for Maf, 1 for Town?

I believe mafia can either share the same role with a town or another mafia member therefore someone’s role cannot determine someone’s alignment.

[Gavial]

I mean yeah he’s kinda playing anti town with the 1 scum in Roleblocker when it’s very likely both town but like I expect NAA is the type of player to make wrong reads but yet I see other people make em too so it ain’t far off from normal play so I don’t see any game throwing here.

Why is the RB a role that's exclusive to Town?

It’s not, it’s just that Lime Coke and Dolby are likely town and there is absolutely no reason they can’t still both be town.

[falcon45ca]

Dolby and Lime Coke are pretty damn Townie and they both claim roleblocker @NotAnAxehole

Wait, what? We've got 2 claimed RBers?




And you think they're both town?

Yes absolutely.
Roles are not AI.

So you do not believe that there are copy roles...1 for Maf, 1 for Town?

I believe mafia can either share the same role with a town or another mafia member therefore someone’s role cannot determine someone’s alignment.

There are 9 roles, based on the classes from the game. Each role has two copies, a Red and a Blue copy. The two copies are identical and have the same abilities.

4 of those copies are part of the mafia faction, the other 14 are town.

[Gavial]

Whoever the other watcher is should be on Lime Coke tonight in my honest opinion.

[falcon45ca]

I mean yeah he’s kinda playing anti town with the 1 scum in Roleblocker when it’s very likely both town but like I expect NAA is the type of player to make wrong reads but yet I see other people make em too so it ain’t far off from normal play so I don’t see any game throwing here.

Why is the RB a role that's exclusive to Town?

It’s not, it’s just that Lime Coke and Dolby are likely town and there is absolutely no reason they can’t still both be town.

It actually makes a lot of sense for Maf to have a RB, as there are a lot of roles for Town that would sers hamper Maf's chances if they didn't at least have 1 blocker

[Gavial]

Or even on me as if TSP is mafia he probably targets me with his sniper since I’m the town variant of him.

[Gavial]

I mean yeah he’s kinda playing anti town with the 1 scum in Roleblocker when it’s very likely both town but like I expect NAA is the type of player to make wrong reads but yet I see other people make em too so it ain’t far off from normal play so I don’t see any game throwing here.

Why is the RB a role that's exclusive to Town?

It’s not, it’s just that Lime Coke and Dolby are likely town and there is absolutely no reason they can’t still both be town.

It actually makes a lot of sense for Maf to have a RB, as there are a lot of roles for Town that would sers hamper Maf's chances if they didn't at least have 1 blocker

LOL
No man you can’t justify roles that’s wolfy.

Everything is randomized, the host didn’t choose what roles the mafia got that would be illegal.

[falcon45ca]

4 copies are Maf, which means there are no duplicate Maf roles...Town has a copy for each Maf role

[Gavial]

Like I wouldn’t say Mafia Watcher, Medic and Sniper ain’t too far off the table.

[Gavial]

4 copies are Maf, which means there are no duplicate Maf roles...Town has a copy for each Maf role

Where does it say that?

[falcon45ca]

Like I wouldn’t say Mafia Watcher, Medic and Sniper ain’t too far off the table.

LOL
No man you can’t justify roles that’s wolfy.

Everything is randomized, the host didn’t choose what roles the mafia got that would be illegal.

[falcon45ca]

Oh Gav....I've only ever played with 1 other player who would contradict themselves so quickly, and with so little regard or insight into how it sounds

[Gavial]

“ 4 of those copies are part of the mafia faction, the other 14 are town.”
This doesn’t indicate anything.

@Dragon D. Luffy
Can for example 2 Spy’s possibly both role mafia.
Like can mafia both have the role of 2.

[Marmot]

4 copies are Maf, which means there are no duplicate Maf roles...Town has a copy for each Maf role

It says there are 18 copies total, not 9, so I think that means there technically can be 2 of the same role on the mafia team.

Like it doesn't explicitly say that the mafia can't have 2 unique roles, though it can be inferred. I'm just not sure which is correct.

[Gavial]

Like I wouldn’t say Mafia Watcher, Medic and Sniper ain’t too far off the table.

LOL
No man you can’t justify roles that’s wolfy.

Everything is randomized, the host didn’t choose what roles the mafia got that would be illegal.

Oh Gav....I've only ever played with 1 other player who would contradict themselves so quickly, and with so little regard or insight into how it sounds

Are you going crazy?
I didn’t justify roles.

I simply stated that any roles are possible for the mafia faction including that of which both you, tsp and marmot have.

[Marmot]

“ 4 of those copies are part of the mafia faction, the other 14 are town.”
This doesn’t indicate anything.

@Dragon D. Luffy
Can for example 2 Spy’s possibly both role mafia.
Like can mafia both have the role of 2.

Generally, you have to PM questions to the host, not ask them in thread.

Luffy might be different, but who knows.

[falcon45ca]

“ 4 of those copies are part of the mafia faction, the other 14 are town.”
This doesn’t indicate anything.

@Dragon D. Luffy
Can for example 2 Spy’s possibly both role mafia.
Like can mafia both have the role of 2.

Actually, it does...4 copies means that they are all copies. That would heavily imply that they are 4 separate roles

[Gavial]

Sad part is though TSP can probably shoot me as Mafia Sniper and get away with it even by revealing that he shot me.
Which is very sad.

[Gavial]

“ 4 of those copies are part of the mafia faction, the other 14 are town.”
This doesn’t indicate anything.

@Dragon D. Luffy
Can for example 2 Spy’s possibly both role mafia.
Like can mafia both have the role of 2.

Actually, it does...4 copies means that they are all copies. That would heavily imply that they are 4 separate roles

Well let’s see what the hosts says.

[NotAnAxehole]

NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.

I mean, there's not much point in engaging LimeCoke seriously on this topic, the game he's referring to (philosophy) I only voted mafia at EOD. And only pushed mafia at EOD. I mean, you know because you were in that game and my Poe was almost entirely correct. Lime coke is just trolling himself over that game where I couldn't hit a vigi shot. Being wrong is game throwing.

[Marmot]

Sad part is though TSP can probably shoot me as Mafia Sniper and get away with it even by revealing that he shot me.
Which is very sad.

Why can he get away with it?

[Gavial]

“ 4 of those copies are part of the mafia faction, the other 14 are town.”
This doesn’t indicate anything.

@Dragon D. Luffy
Can for example 2 Spy’s possibly both role mafia.
Like can mafia both have the role of 2.

Generally, you have to PM questions to the host, not ask them in thread.

Luffy might be different, but who knows.

I’d rather everyone knows so mafia can cheat their way through and form fake ass ML’s.

[Gavial]

Sad part is though TSP can probably shoot me as Mafia Sniper and get away with it even by revealing that he shot me.
Which is very sad.

Why can he get away with it?

Because I’m Gavial, people probably won’t care if I’m shoot and TSP can just say he wolf read me as the Mafia Sniper.

[falcon45ca]

4 copies are Maf, which means there are no duplicate Maf roles...Town has a copy for each Maf role

It says there are 18 copies total, not 9, so I think that means there technically can be 2 of the same role on the mafia team.

Like it doesn't explicitly say that the mafia can't have 2 unique roles, though it can be inferred. I'm just not sure which is correct.

OK, it's a possibility...tho I can't say I've ever played a game where Maf have duplicate power roles...have you? Especially with only 4

[Gavial]

4 copies are Maf, which means there are no duplicate Maf roles...Town has a copy for each Maf role

It says there are 18 copies total, not 9, so I think that means there technically can be 2 of the same role on the mafia team.

Like it doesn't explicitly say that the mafia can't have 2 unique roles, though it can be inferred. I'm just not sure which is correct.

Thanks you Marmot!

I love you man but damn man if your wolf it’s gonna be a struggle ima tell yeah lol.
Hope we can catch you if you are wolf though.

[Lime Coke]

NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.

I mean, there's not much point in engaging LimeCoke seriously on this topic, the game he's referring to (philosophy) I only voted mafia at EOD. And only pushed mafia at EOD. I mean, you know because you were in that game and my Poe was almost entirely correct. Lime coke is just trolling himself over that game where I couldn't hit a vigi shot. Being wrong is game throwing.

You've thrown in several other games as well. I'm not the only one saying this. Quit being delusional.

[Gavial]

4 copies are Maf, which means there are no duplicate Maf roles...Town has a copy for each Maf role

It says there are 18 copies total, not 9, so I think that means there technically can be 2 of the same role on the mafia team.

Like it doesn't explicitly say that the mafia can't have 2 unique roles, though it can be inferred. I'm just not sure which is correct.

OK, it's a possibility...tho I can't say I've ever played a game where Maf have duplicate power roles...have you? Especially with only 4

Dude it’s literally randomize, how is that hard to understand?

[Marmot]

NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.

I mean, there's not much point in engaging LimeCoke seriously on this topic, the game he's referring to (philosophy) I only voted mafia at EOD. And only pushed mafia at EOD. I mean, you know because you were in that game and my Poe was almost entirely correct. Lime coke is just trolling himself over that game where I couldn't hit a vigi shot. Being wrong is game throwing.

I'm specifically talking about the other two games where you quick-hammered in LYLO :P


But I can't really interact with LC's argument, because it's based solely on LC's alignment, of which only the mafia team knows, and even then, he's calling you town.

I'm engaging with him, because I'd rather have something I can actually converse about, not shrug my shoulders at.

[Gavial]

NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.

I mean, there's not much point in engaging LimeCoke seriously on this topic, the game he's referring to (philosophy) I only voted mafia at EOD. And only pushed mafia at EOD. I mean, you know because you were in that game and my Poe was almost entirely correct. Lime coke is just trolling himself over that game where I couldn't hit a vigi shot. Being wrong is game throwing.

You've thrown in several other games as well. I'm not the only one saying this. Quit being delusional.

Dude Lime.
Mafia wants you to keep talking back and fourth with tunnelled NAA try and do something elsewhere to further progression on the game state.

[NotAnAxehole]

NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.

I mean, there's not much point in engaging LimeCoke seriously on this topic, the game he's referring to (philosophy) I only voted mafia at EOD. And only pushed mafia at EOD. I mean, you know because you were in that game and my Poe was almost entirely correct. Lime coke is just trolling himself over that game where I couldn't hit a vigi shot. Being wrong is game throwing.

You've thrown in several other games as well. I'm not the only one saying this. Quit being delusional.

You're not, but you're also claiming I game threw in a game where I only voted scum and you're calling me delusional

[Gavial]

If NAA sees the truth he’s the type to see it in his own regard (kinda like me.) so leave him be and let him figure you out Lime.

[NotAnAxehole]

NAA might have gamethrown in the past, but that's not really relevant if someone else is gamethrowing now, just because NAA is the one bringing it up.

I mean, there's not much point in engaging LimeCoke seriously on this topic, the game he's referring to (philosophy) I only voted mafia at EOD. And only pushed mafia at EOD. I mean, you know because you were in that game and my Poe was almost entirely correct. Lime coke is just trolling himself over that game where I couldn't hit a vigi shot. Being wrong is game throwing.

I'm specifically talking about the other two games where you quick-hammered in LYLO :P


But I can't really interact with LC's argument, because it's based solely on LC's alignment, of which only the mafia team knows, and even then, he's calling you town.

I'm engaging with him, because I'd rather have something I can actually converse about, not shrug my shoulders at.

Quick hammering in LyLo isn't game throwing, it's just bad play if you're wrong.

[Marmot]

4 copies are Maf, which means there are no duplicate Maf roles...Town has a copy for each Maf role

It says there are 18 copies total, not 9, so I think that means there technically can be 2 of the same role on the mafia team.

Like it doesn't explicitly say that the mafia can't have 2 unique roles, though it can be inferred. I'm just not sure which is correct.

OK, it's a possibility...tho I can't say I've ever played a game where Maf have duplicate power roles...have you? Especially with only 4

I think there's reason to believe that it is randomized such that mafia can have two copies. Otherwise, the Red Engineer would be confirmed town right now because sabie was the Blue Engineer. The duality of it would be too pro-town I think.

[Gavial]

Like I really think Falcon is a wolf.

[Gavial]

Also have paranoia they with Marmot/TSP but like I feel if one of them are town they die before LYLO so we see.

[Gavial]

@Marmot
Don’t you think TSP could get away with that?
I think he could tbh and if you are indeed actually wolf that omega bussed you can probably tell him about it and let him know I thought of it for him.

[falcon45ca]

4 copies are Maf, which means there are no duplicate Maf roles...Town has a copy for each Maf role

It says there are 18 copies total, not 9, so I think that means there technically can be 2 of the same role on the mafia team.

Like it doesn't explicitly say that the mafia can't have 2 unique roles, though it can be inferred. I'm just not sure which is correct.

OK, it's a possibility...tho I can't say I've ever played a game where Maf have duplicate power roles...have you? Especially with only 4

Dude it’s literally randomize, how is that hard to understand?

I find it more likely that the 9 roles were randomized. I've also played a ton of games where a Host would select which roles are given to Maf, and that the randomization occurred amongst the Maf team, not totally randomized amongst the whole game.


This isn't something we'll actually know until the game's over tho, so I'm not gonna waste a bunch of energy on it. I do know that you seem to be reading role alignments based off your player reads, which is...interesting.


Like, for you the RB have to both be town cuz you're TR the players who've claimed.

[NotAnAxehole]

Though, I suppose being wrong is game throwing, just not intentionally. Many players are currently game throwing.

[Gavial]

4 copies are Maf, which means there are no duplicate Maf roles...Town has a copy for each Maf role

It says there are 18 copies total, not 9, so I think that means there technically can be 2 of the same role on the mafia team.

Like it doesn't explicitly say that the mafia can't have 2 unique roles, though it can be inferred. I'm just not sure which is correct.

OK, it's a possibility...tho I can't say I've ever played a game where Maf have duplicate power roles...have you? Especially with only 4

Dude it’s literally randomize, how is that hard to understand?

I find it more likely that the 9 roles were randomized. I've also played a ton of games where a Host would select which roles are given to Maf, and that the randomization occurred amongst the Maf team, not totally randomized amongst the whole game.


This isn't something we'll actually know until the game's over tho, so I'm not gonna waste a bunch of energy on it. I do know that you seem to be reading role alignments based off your player reads, which is...interesting.


Like, for you the RB have to both be town cuz you're TR the players who've claimed.

Yes and their RB’s make sense and the way they came out with their RB’s also make sense.

[falcon45ca]

Like I really think Falcon is a wolf.

We know, you've said it a couple times now.




Remember D1 when you said you'd sheep me? What happened?



Oh yeah, I called you out as scum

[NotAnAxehole]

It's hard to say how many