Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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So you're saying there is a level of intimacyDyslexicon wrote:*Add me, not ass me. I don't think we're at that level of intimacy yet.
And my buddies? You're still voting for me aren't you?Quin wrote:nutella, dizzy and Jay went up. Adding Eloh up as a civ. Scotty moved down. Removing Long Con entirely.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Quin?Jackofhearts2005 wrote:How much do you still agree with this rainbow, Quin?Quin wrote:
GTH reads after everything that's happened today, with a few exclusions.
Civ:
INH
Marmot
Long Con
Silver
Golden
speedchuck
Scotty
Bad:
3J
JOH
Sloonei
nutella
Dizzy
Fredwood
Literally one of my supposed scumbuddies is undecided on me. The rest are saying I'm at the top of their scum list.
Who are my buddies? (Trick question. I don't have any. Answer anyway.)
Gotta admit, I love having you in this game, even if you constantly want to kill me.Dyslexicon wrote:I will be disappointed if you don't hammer scum in the last minute. And I will certainly scum read you for doing or not doing it.speedchuck wrote:Vote insertnamehere
This is something I want to tussle about. Also, I'm back, baby. Done with my things for now, ready to vote all over the place.
It's perfect, except it's not moving.Fredwood wrote:So you're saying there is a level of intimacyDyslexicon wrote:*Add me, not ass me. I don't think we're at that level of intimacy yet.
Don't know if that's the right Gif to convey...but it came up and amused me when I searched for Gifs from that show
Sorry, there was a post from JJJ that I thought was from Sloonei (the one about Jack easily going with popular opinions, which he's now responded to). But I think Sloonei's interaction review posts were also good.Golden wrote:I'm trying to find the case on Jack.
I found a post from sloonei setting out marmot/jack interactions and saying he could see a jack vote. He referenced Jay's case on Jack. I can't find Jay's case, if it exists. I can find Jay talking about what he perceives to be unnatural progressions, and perhaps it has something to do with EoD 2.
Can anyone voting for Jack tell me, in their own words, why they think he is worth a vote?
Because everyone is under the silly impression that Eloh is the town Busdrive, even though there is no evidentiary support for that assessment.Dyslexicon wrote:Why on earth would anyone read Eloh as town?
metalmarsh89Jackofhearts2005 wrote:And my buddies? You're still voting for me aren't you?Quin wrote:nutella, dizzy and Jay went up. Adding Eloh up as a civ. Scotty moved down. Removing Long Con entirely.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Quin?Jackofhearts2005 wrote:How much do you still agree with this rainbow, Quin?Quin wrote:
GTH reads after everything that's happened today, with a few exclusions.
Civ:
INH
Marmot
Long Con
Silver
Golden
speedchuck
Scotty
Bad:
3J
JOH
Sloonei
nutella
Dizzy
Fredwood
Literally one of my supposed scumbuddies is undecided on me. The rest are saying I'm at the top of their scum list.
Who are my buddies? (Trick question. I don't have any. Answer anyway.)
Who are my teammates? Scotty, Sloonei and Fred?
Name one player you honestly think could be my scum teammate.
It's an okay case.Golden wrote:I'm trying to find the case on Jack.
I found a post from sloonei setting out marmot/jack interactions and saying he could see a jack vote. He referenced Jay's case on Jack. I can't find Jay's case, if it exists. I can find Jay talking about what he perceives to be unnatural progressions, and perhaps it has something to do with EoD 2.
Can anyone voting for Jack tell me, in their own words, why they think he is worth a vote?
It's a lot of different small things.speedchuck wrote:Not great.Scotty wrote: What do you think of jack?
This, combined with my earlier saying that there is a scum in Golden/JJJ/Jack/Strawhenge (That was a gut feel.)speedchuck wrote:This post makes me feel happy/nervous.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Note the extreme tone difference between my question and Quinn's accusation.
Also note that I have disagreed with the Dizzy lynch and put him as town. While Quin, INH and MM were after Dizzy, I was voting Scotty. Was gonna answer Quin's question towards me on Dizzy but figured I'd just clutter the thread with more linkis. Was sure she was town. Had already said so.
Can we be friends again?
Coming back with a full rainbow in a couple hours.
Like, it's a reasonable come-around and I was hoping for it, but also feels suspiciously like backtracking in a slow way to avoid town wrath.
Sry Jack I am catching up and making notes about shifts like this and whatnot. Not necessarily wanting to murder your face yet.
But this post is important.
Good feelings about Golden right now.
Strawhenge is gone.
JJJ just got cleared.
Jack, today at least, seemed like he was going along with Quin (possibly misinformed towny, it's hard to read someone when you don't understand their thought process) without committing too hard, seeing if the lynch could be pushed toward Sloonei/other people that lynched mM.
Other days I've been iffy about him.
Strong anti-alignment with JJJ.
As Sloonei just pointed out, he's been iffy toward Marmot.
I could vote for Jack. What are the votals at?
Secondary suspicions that I want to iron out at the moment:
INH (I lumped him with mm yesterday, because they were buddying insanely. Could be scum taking town town with them, or... blatant buddying. Everything else was blatant at EOD.
Fredwood (Sorry, I've read you as town all game, but if Jack is bad, gotta reeval)
Soneji
Mayybe long con
Scotty isn't entirely in the clear, but I like his posts enough at the moment to not kick up a fuss over giving him time to use his role.
It's perfect, except it's not moving.Dyslexicon wrote:
Don't know if that's the right Gif to convey...but it came up and amused me when I searched for Gifs from that show
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For anyone keeping score at home, this is the point where Quin fell into the orange.Quin wrote:metalmarsh89Jackofhearts2005 wrote:And my buddies? You're still voting for me aren't you?Quin wrote:nutella, dizzy and Jay went up. Adding Eloh up as a civ. Scotty moved down. Removing Long Con entirely.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Quin?Jackofhearts2005 wrote:How much do you still agree with this rainbow, Quin?Quin wrote:
GTH reads after everything that's happened today, with a few exclusions.
Civ:
INH
Marmot
Long Con
Silver
Golden
speedchuck
Scotty
Bad:
3J
JOH
Sloonei
nutella
Dizzy
Fredwood
Literally one of my supposed scumbuddies is undecided on me. The rest are saying I'm at the top of their scum list.
Who are my buddies? (Trick question. I don't have any. Answer anyway.)
Who are my teammates? Scotty, Sloonei and Fred?
Name one player you honestly think could be my scum teammate.
Aw. And same - and your likability adds to my suspicion tbh.speedchuck wrote:Gotta admit, I love having you in this game, even if you constantly want to kill me.Dyslexicon wrote:I will be disappointed if you don't hammer scum in the last minute. And I will certainly scum read you for doing or not doing it.speedchuck wrote:Vote insertnamehere
This is something I want to tussle about. Also, I'm back, baby. Done with my things for now, ready to vote all over the place.
I don't need to have an argument about who your teammates are to find you suspicious.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:For anyone keeping score at home, this is the point where Quin fell into the orange.Quin wrote:metalmarsh89Jackofhearts2005 wrote:And my buddies? You're still voting for me aren't you?Quin wrote:nutella, dizzy and Jay went up. Adding Eloh up as a civ. Scotty moved down. Removing Long Con entirely.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Quin?Jackofhearts2005 wrote:How much do you still agree with this rainbow, Quin?Quin wrote:
GTH reads after everything that's happened today, with a few exclusions.
Civ:
INH
Marmot
Long Con
Silver
Golden
speedchuck
Scotty
Bad:
3J
JOH
Sloonei
nutella
Dizzy
Fredwood
Literally one of my supposed scumbuddies is undecided on me. The rest are saying I'm at the top of their scum list.
Who are my buddies? (Trick question. I don't have any. Answer anyway.)
Who are my teammates? Scotty, Sloonei and Fred?
Name one player you honestly think could be my scum teammate.
I remember tunneling town(ish) Quin. Not lazy town Quin.
Just from externally (as in, not there in the moment) inh comes out looking worst to me in the marmot vote.speedchuck wrote:But INH is a better vote, based on yesterday's actions and flip alone. People seem to be ignoring him, which is weird.
I'm not sure why eloh would be the redirector. Wouldn't she have targeted me? I still don't follow this.speedchuck wrote:Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.
Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.
What's the good reason?nutella wrote:I'm pretty confused at the sudden influx of INH votes. I'm still pretty convinced that his behavior was not that of a marmot teammate. I could be wrong but I thought there was a pretty good reason we all backed off from him.
Redirector is usually anti-town role though? I won't clear Eloh based on these loose assumptions. The setup is ??? at this point. What reason would a town!Eloh not following the thread have to riderect Golden to Fred. That's just really random.speedchuck wrote:Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.
Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.
Fredwood wrote:Lynch INH
I said I would lynch him so I guess I should, even if it looks like a superwagon at this point.
Also, Pink cus Fuck you that's why.
If Golden was redirected, I wouldn't have been shown being targeted by Eloh. I've been over this with 3 different people, and have kind of given up on the discussion because it appears to be mechanical based culture shock. Twice it was mentioned that they view it as a town Busdrive to counter act mafia one.speedchuck wrote:Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.
Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.
I think there would be a big balancing issue if there were two roles capable of redirecting targets/roles in some way. If Eloh isn't town, she's either on a second mafia team or indy.Dyslexicon wrote:Redirector is usually anti-town role though? I won't clear Eloh based on these loose assumptions. The setup is ??? at this point. What reason would a town!Eloh not following the thread have to riderect Golden to Fred. That's just really random.speedchuck wrote:Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.
Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.
No, she would have targeted the two players who were switched as targets (JJJ and Fred). If her role works like Marmot's anyway.Golden wrote:I'm not sure why eloh would be the redirector. Wouldn't she have targeted me? I still don't follow this.speedchuck wrote:Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.
Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.
What I just said in the previous sentence. He had been defending/townreading Marmot for so strongly for the whole game that (especially combined with his strongly pushing the Dys case against marmot's lynch) would have been incredibly brazen of him to act that way as Marmot's teammate. I would be amazed if he was, but maybe he's the type to pull that. One point that others have brought up that may nudge me back toward thinking that is the fact that he's pretty much disappeared today with his tail tucked between his legs and has not made any effort to redeem himself.Golden wrote:What's the good reason?nutella wrote:I'm pretty confused at the sudden influx of INH votes. I'm still pretty convinced that his behavior was not that of a marmot teammate. I could be wrong but I thought there was a pretty good reason we all backed off from him.
Does not compute.speedchuck wrote:Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.
Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.
I don't have to justify an entire mafia team before getting any kind of result just so I can vote for you. I'm not that good at this game.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Quin
But you need to think I have teammates if you think I'm mafia.
I don't think you think I have teammates. I don't think you think I'm mafia.
Answering your own question.Dyslexicon wrote:Redirector is usually anti-town role though? I won't clear Eloh based on these loose assumptions. The setup is ??? at this point. What reason would a town!Eloh not following the thread have to riderect Golden to Fred. That's just really random.speedchuck wrote:Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.
Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.
ebwopQuin wrote:I think there would be a big balancing issue if there were two roles capable of redirecting targets/roles in some way on the same mafia team. If Eloh isn't town, she's either on a second mafia team or indy.Dyslexicon wrote:Redirector is usually anti-town role though? I won't clear Eloh based on these loose assumptions. The setup is ??? at this point. What reason would a town!Eloh not following the thread have to riderect Golden to Fred. That's just really random.speedchuck wrote:Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.
Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.
If we're assuming we've got her role pegged right, what's the issue in her picking Golden/Fred/3J if she's picking randomly?
I didn't find his Dizzy case lacking at all. The only thing I wouldn't at least acknowledge is his argument that she was buddying Golden.juliets wrote:I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?
linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today
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*holds tongue*Quin wrote:I didn't find his Dizzy case lacking at all. The only thing I wouldn't at least acknowledge is his argument that she was buddying Golden.juliets wrote:I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?
linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today
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There's nothing else INH has done but pursue Dizzy.juliets wrote:I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?
linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today
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Yes, sorry. She could be a busdriver. I'm talking about if she was a straight misdirector. I think it's a big leap to make to presume Eloh is town and a busdriver simply because I saw her target fred.speedchuck wrote:Answering your own question.Dyslexicon wrote:Redirector is usually anti-town role though? I won't clear Eloh based on these loose assumptions. The setup is ??? at this point. What reason would a town!Eloh not following the thread have to riderect Golden to Fred. That's just really random.speedchuck wrote:Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.
Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.
Also, I've played a town bus driver before. It can be a protective role.
Golden, busdrivers (for example) visit both target a and b. Then a watcher visiting target a would go to target b, then see the busdriver there.
Though, fair regarding the CF game. Could be something else entirely.
Dyslexicon wrote:*holds tongue*Quin wrote:I didn't find his Dizzy case lacking at all. The only thing I wouldn't at least acknowledge is his argument that she was buddying Golden.juliets wrote:I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?
linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today
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*rolls eyes*
In fairness, you pursued DDL for most of Unfortunate Events without any buddy reads iirc.Quin wrote:I don't have to justify an entire mafia team before getting any kind of result just so I can vote for you. I'm not that good at this game.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Quin
But you need to think I have teammates if you think I'm mafia.
I don't think you think I have teammates. I don't think you think I'm mafia.
I think you're bad. That's good enough for me.
I haven't gotten to researching the MM lynch beyond seeing who all voted for him. If Nutella pushed on him that hard then I would be inclined to dismiss that suspicion.Dyslexicon wrote:Nutella's push was maybe the biggest reason the Marmot lynch gained traction, so what's not to trust about it?Soneji wrote:I saw Nutella cleared JJJ, though I'm not sure I exactly trust that. Nutella had been being buddy-buddy with JJJ early on and I don't care for JJJ's vote history.
If JJJ ever ends up scum, Soneji is scum buddies.
But lol. I'm done tinfoiling JJJ. He's sure town.
That is some rather wack logic. It's like saying that if you don't know the entirety of how a puzzle will be completed, then you can't fit in a single piece of it.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Quin
But you need to think I have teammates if you think I'm mafia.
I don't think you think I have teammates. I don't think you think I'm mafia.
Thank you.Golden wrote:Yes, sorry. She could be a busdriver. I'm talking about if she was a straight misdirector. I think it's a big leap to make to presume Eloh is town and a busdriver simply because I saw her target fred.speedchuck wrote:Answering your own question.Dyslexicon wrote:Redirector is usually anti-town role though? I won't clear Eloh based on these loose assumptions. The setup is ??? at this point. What reason would a town!Eloh not following the thread have to riderect Golden to Fred. That's just really random.speedchuck wrote:Fred, we had a claim of a redirected watcher night one. By definition, a redirecting role usually hits the roles it redirects to.
The watcher, after redirected, only saw Eloh. Thus, Eloh is probably redirector.
Granted, we may not trust the watcher (Golden), or clusterfuck rules might apply, but it's a pretty good bet that Eloh is redirector. Scum wouldn't have two of them, probably. Thus, Eloh is prob town.
Also, I've played a town bus driver before. It can be a protective role.
Golden, busdrivers (for example) visit both target a and b. Then a watcher visiting target a would go to target b, then see the busdriver there.
Though, fair regarding the CF game. Could be something else entirely.
I also think Eloh (knowing her) is unlikely to start by targeting people she doesn't know, so I'm wondering if she was also targeting Jay and misdirected to Fred.
Put it this way, I'm not giving eloh any kind of alignment read based on the fact I saw her target fred, and I think it would be awfully unwise to do it.
Why is INH not playing like a townie?Jackofhearts2005 wrote:There's nothing else INH has done but pursue Dizzy.juliets wrote:I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?
linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today
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Even if he's wrong on Dizzy and Marmot, he's not playing like a townie.
Are you saying he's not playing like a townie because he's not considering alternatives? I'm not arguing the point, just trying to clarify.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:There's nothing else INH has done but pursue Dizzy.juliets wrote:I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?
linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today
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Even if he's wrong on Dizzy and Marmot, he's not playing like a townie.
Because he's not town?Quin wrote:Why is INH not playing like a townie?Jackofhearts2005 wrote:There's nothing else INH has done but pursue Dizzy.juliets wrote:I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?
linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today
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Even if he's wrong on Dizzy and Marmot, he's not playing like a townie.
oh ok thanksspeedchuck wrote:Because he's not town?Quin wrote:Why is INH not playing like a townie?Jackofhearts2005 wrote:There's nothing else INH has done but pursue Dizzy.juliets wrote:I haven't read INH. I know he built a case on Dyslexicon which I read and found to be lacking. Is the case abasing him that he argued a case that went against Marmot? Is there anything else to consider?
linki - nutella i see your point about him not showing up today
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Even if he's wrong on Dizzy and Marmot, he's not playing like a townie.
