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Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:27 pm**

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention], are you seriously telling me that you cannot imagine a universe where Marmot is being honest? Consider the implications of your answer, and what must already be clear to anyone reading the thread.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:27 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:26 pm Because you're Dyslexiscum!

Lol! I haven't been scum for ages! Thankfully, cause I kind of hate it. : p

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:27 pm**

Actually, you literally have the word con in your name. Like Long Con. You both are inherently scummasters.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:28 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:26 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:24 pm I don’t think she has the same motive that Marmot has to fakeclaim. Lying at this juncture for her would be bizarre. By the same token, I would have definitely not made myself a target like that, though. It’s all bizarre to me.

To answer your question, I can see chalking this one up to a difference of playstyle that I simply can’t for Marmot, given his motive and the facts of this lynch.
What makes you think Marmot fake claimed? Would you say you are VERY sure of it, or is it just a possibility? Cause unless you are VERY sure, I don't see how that makes sense for Marmot to be faking.

I am at work so I cannot easily rewrite or restate my points, but if you go back a page or two to where Marmot first fakeclaimed, you’ll see why.

I feel very sure of it.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:29 pm**

Speaking of work, I need to go do some of that, will be back later.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:30 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:25 pm This is not the time to be hung up about this, buuut, are you going to tell me why you have me in the PoE when you clearly don't think I'm scum? : p

A POE should be constructed based on the number of available mislynches PLUS the number of living mafia members, which means mine can be three or four depending upon the unlynchable butt.

I have two names of interest, but I have the freedom to include backups. You're a backup! You're on the scum bench, waiting to be called into the ballgame! Hopefully it's never necessary.

I do think you look like a civilian in your protests to my case though.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:30 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:27 pm @ColinIsCool, are you seriously telling me that you cannot imagine a universe where Marmot is being honest? Consider the implications of your answer, and what must already be clear to anyone reading the thread.

I seriously do feel that if Marmot is telling the truth, then he fucked up in a major way, and his decision is antithetical to everything I would do in this context and understand about the game. I think that’s less likely than the alternative I’ve proposed.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:31 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:27 pm ColinIsCool, are you seriously telling me that you cannot imagine a universe where Marmot is being honest? Consider the implications of your answer, and what must already be clear to anyone reading the thread.
I seriously do feel that if Marmot is telling the truth, then he fucked up in a major way, and his decision is antithetical to everything I would do in this context and understand about the game. I think that’s less likely than the alternative I’ve proposed.

Let's say you're right. If Marmot is telling the truth, then he fucked up. Do you think it's possible that he fucked up?

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:32 pm**

And I know I’m not scum, so given everything else surrounding Marmot, yeah, I think this is the hill I’ll plant my flag on.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:34 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:27 pm @ColinIsCool, are you seriously telling me that you cannot imagine a universe where Marmot is being honest? Consider the implications of your answer, and what must already be clear to anyone reading the thread.
I seriously do feel that if Marmot is telling the truth, then he fucked up in a major way, and his decision is antithetical to everything I would do in this context and understand about the game. I think that’s less likely than the alternative I’ve proposed.

If you have doubts, I'm not lynch Marmot. I don't understand what you're doing. Fuck what's antithetical. Who's scum and who's not?

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:34 pm**

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention], would you be willing to lynch Charlie Blackmon today?

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:35 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:31 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:27 pm ColinIsCool, are you seriously telling me that you cannot imagine a universe where Marmot is being honest? Consider the implications of your answer, and what must already be clear to anyone reading the thread.
I seriously do feel that if Marmot is telling the truth, then he fucked up in a major way, and his decision is antithetical to everything I would do in this context and understand about the game. I think that’s less likely than the alternative I’ve proposed.
Let's say you're right. If Marmot is telling the truth, then he fucked up. Do you think it's possible that he fucked up?

I think it’s extremely, extremely unlikely that things happened that way. It is possible in the metaphysical sense and not much else.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:36 pm**

I feel Jimmeeey's energy from the latest pages where things is happening is a town energy. It's excitement, I think.

I will go an extra round on Quin and Scotty, I think. I know I'm town, so unless scum is exactly Colin and Charlie, there has to be someone I'm not getting. And I don't particularly think it's Nut or Jimmey at this point in that case.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:37 pm**

What is Colin doing though?

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:37 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:34 pm @ColinIsCool, would you be willing to lynch Charlie Blackmon today?

I have him as a townread. I would rather him die than me, but I wouldn’t feel good about it, and I would much rather confirm Marmot.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:37 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:35 pmIt is possible in the metaphysical sense and not much else.

I don't quite understand what you mean by this.

Let's pretend the universe is probabilistic, and that it has been duplicated 1,000,000 times. In how many of those duplicated universes is Marmot Keith Shover?

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:38 pm**

Dizzy, I’m calling Marmot scum.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:38 pm**

Like, I feel Colin is me in that game where I got cursed and couldn't tell what was happening. Like, he talks in riddles.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:39 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:38 pm Dizzy, I’m calling Marmot scum.

Ok.

Not going to lie, I will be very happy if Marmot is scum. : p

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:39 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:37 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:35 pmIt is possible in the metaphysical sense and not much else.
I don't quite understand what you mean by this.

Let's pretend the universe is probabilistic, and that it has been duplicated 1,000,000 times. In how many of those duplicated universes is Marmot Keith Shover?

Much, MUCH fewer than the ones where he’s fake claiming. I would give myself a 95% chance of being right about this and that may be even too generous to Marmot.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:39 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:36 pm I feel Jimmeeey's energy from the latest pages where things is happening is a town energy. It's excitement, I think.

I will go an extra round on Quin and Scotty, I think. I know I'm town, so unless scum is exactly Colin and Charlie, there has to be someone I'm not getting. And I don't particularly think it's Nut or Jimmey at this point in that case.

I sorta feel the same way. Jay needed something to latch onto, and two roleclaims, well by golly that's something for him to analyze and talk about.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:40 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:38 pm Like, I feel Colin is me in that game where I got cursed and couldn't tell what was happening. Like, he talks in riddles.

I urge you to read my ISO, I think I laid out my thoughts pretty clearly.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:40 pm**

Really have to go now.

This is fun though.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:40 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:39 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:37 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:35 pmIt is possible in the metaphysical sense and not much else.
I don't quite understand what you mean by this.

Let's pretend the universe is probabilistic, and that it has been duplicated 1,000,000 times. In how many of those duplicated universes is Marmot Keith Shover?
Much, MUCH fewer than the ones where he’s fake claiming. I would give myself a 95% chance of being right about this and that may be even too generous to Marmot.

Okay, so you're not Keith Shover.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:41 pm**

Marmot, you devil you!

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:41 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:27 pm ColinIsCool, are you seriously telling me that you cannot imagine a universe where Marmot is being honest? Consider the implications of your answer, and what must already be clear to anyone reading the thread.
I seriously do feel that if Marmot is telling the truth, then he fucked up in a major way, and his decision is antithetical to everything I would do in this context and understand about the game. I think that’s less likely than the alternative I’ve proposed.

So your distrust of his claim is based in a fundamental disagreement about strategy/the best thing to do in that situation, not based in any actual mechanical reason to believe he is lying. I think you are projecting your belief that it wasn't a good choice and I think a lot of people disagree with you on that. Not objective or foolproof in the slightest. You can think he fucked up, but it means we're not mislynching him (or lap).

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:41 pm**

Also would love to hear from [mention]Quin[/mention], [mention]Scotty[/mention], and [mention]Charlie Blackmon[/mention], as they're the three that haven't been around to weight in on these events yet.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:41 pm**

EBWOP: weigh

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:42 pm**

What are the claim rules anyway? They were unclear to me. Lap has not explicitly claim, only given targets like Jimmeey and I.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:42 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:31 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:27 pm ColinIsCool, are you seriously telling me that you cannot imagine a universe where Marmot is being honest? Consider the implications of your answer, and what must already be clear to anyone reading the thread.
I seriously do feel that if Marmot is telling the truth, then he fucked up in a major way, and his decision is antithetical to everything I would do in this context and understand about the game. I think that’s less likely than the alternative I’ve proposed.
Let's say you're right. If Marmot is telling the truth, then he fucked up. Do you think it's possible that he fucked up?
I think it’s extremely, extremely unlikely that things happened that way. It is possible in the metaphysical sense and not much else.

What in god's green hell does this mean

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:42 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:41 pm Marmot, you devil you!

Just realized I'm not gonna get any work done before a meeting in 18 minutes, so I'm back.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:43 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:42 pm What are the claim rules anyway? They were unclear to me. Lap has not explicitly claim, only given targets like Jimmeey and I.

This may be important btw.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:44 pm**

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] , Would you care to share your targets if you're Keith, OR do you think that is entirely unnecessary?

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:44 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:44 pm @ColinIsCool , Would you care to share your targets if you're Keith, OR do you think that is entirely unnecessary?

* In the case you were Keith. You know.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:45 pm**

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 9:26 pm 7) Info-dumping and/or role-claiming is legal. Do so at your own peril

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:45 pm**

In the metaphysical sense meaning, there exists a possible world wherein it’s the case that Marmot is telling the truth. But it sure as hell isn’t this world.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:46 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:45 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 9:26 pm 7) Info-dumping and/or role-claiming is legal. Do so at your own peril

Does this include whether you're dentist, christian or both as well?

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:46 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:41 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:27 pm ColinIsCool, are you seriously telling me that you cannot imagine a universe where Marmot is being honest? Consider the implications of your answer, and what must already be clear to anyone reading the thread.
I seriously do feel that if Marmot is telling the truth, then he fucked up in a major way, and his decision is antithetical to everything I would do in this context and understand about the game. I think that’s less likely than the alternative I’ve proposed.
So your distrust of his claim is based in a fundamental disagreement about strategy/the best thing to do in that situation, not based in any actual mechanical reason to believe he is lying. I think you are projecting your belief that it wasn't a good choice and I think a lot of people disagree with you on that. Not objective or foolproof in the slightest. You can think he fucked up, but it means we're not mislynching him (or lap).

It’s more than a fundamental disagreement. It’s suicide if it’s the truth.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:47 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:44 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:44 pm @ColinIsCool , Would you care to share your targets if you're Keith, OR do you think that is entirely unnecessary?
* In the case you were Keith. You know.

I’m not sure what you’re asking?

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:47 pm**

I think Colin has lost any chance of offering a viable with the post that counterclaim with the post that Jay pointed out and any lack of certainty in his disbelief that Colin has.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:47 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:45 pm In the metaphysical sense meaning, there exists a possible world wherein it’s the case that Marmot is telling the truth. But it sure as hell isn’t this world.

Do you mean in a world where the roles were assigned differently? Fuck man, I really can't tell if you're claiming Keith or not. If you are just fucking say so already. If not stop sputtering nonsense.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:47 pm**

Oops, that post broke

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:48 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:41 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:27 pm ColinIsCool, are you seriously telling me that you cannot imagine a universe where Marmot is being honest? Consider the implications of your answer, and what must already be clear to anyone reading the thread.
I seriously do feel that if Marmot is telling the truth, then he fucked up in a major way, and his decision is antithetical to everything I would do in this context and understand about the game. I think that’s less likely than the alternative I’ve proposed.
So your distrust of his claim is based in a fundamental disagreement about strategy/the best thing to do in that situation, not based in any actual mechanical reason to believe he is lying. I think you are projecting your belief that it wasn't a good choice and I think a lot of people disagree with you on that. Not objective or foolproof in the slightest. You can think he fucked up, but it means we're not mislynching him (or lap).
It’s more than a fundamental disagreement. It’s suicide if it’s the truth.

No, as long as someone such as yourself doesn't believe him, the mafia could keep him around to sow doubt.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:50 pm**

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:46 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:45 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Thu May 17, 2018 9:26 pm 7) Info-dumping and/or role-claiming is legal. Do so at your own peril

Does this include whether you're dentist, christian or both as well?

Pretty sure that is an import part of your role, and therefore legal to spew.

I hope that no one else claims (unless they are counter-claiming a power role), because I fear that this game might break if they do.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:50 pm**

There's no reason for me to lie, I checked marmot day 1 & kept assuming he's bad, but wasn't rrally 100% positive of it. Now that we're kind of on a loose thread, I figured I'd give you guys some information on my part before I die, so take it or leave it, I have8 no motive other than to help town & gather few information that will help us determine who's bad & who's good.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:51 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:41 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:27 pm ColinIsCool, are you seriously telling me that you cannot imagine a universe where Marmot is being honest? Consider the implications of your answer, and what must already be clear to anyone reading the thread.
I seriously do feel that if Marmot is telling the truth, then he fucked up in a major way, and his decision is antithetical to everything I would do in this context and understand about the game. I think that’s less likely than the alternative I’ve proposed.
So your distrust of his claim is based in a fundamental disagreement about strategy/the best thing to do in that situation, not based in any actual mechanical reason to believe he is lying. I think you are projecting your belief that it wasn't a good choice and I think a lot of people disagree with you on that. Not objective or foolproof in the slightest. You can think he fucked up, but it means we're not mislynching him (or lap).
It’s more than a fundamental disagreement. It’s suicide if it’s the truth.

I'm doing it for the greater good of the town. I don't care if I'm nightkilled if we win.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:52 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:51 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:41 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:27 pm ColinIsCool, are you seriously telling me that you cannot imagine a universe where Marmot is being honest? Consider the implications of your answer, and what must already be clear to anyone reading the thread.
I seriously do feel that if Marmot is telling the truth, then he fucked up in a major way, and his decision is antithetical to everything I would do in this context and understand about the game. I think that’s less likely than the alternative I’ve proposed.
So your distrust of his claim is based in a fundamental disagreement about strategy/the best thing to do in that situation, not based in any actual mechanical reason to believe he is lying. I think you are projecting your belief that it wasn't a good choice and I think a lot of people disagree with you on that. Not objective or foolproof in the slightest. You can think he fucked up, but it means we're not mislynching him (or lap).
It’s more than a fundamental disagreement. It’s suicide if it’s the truth.
I'm doing it for the greater good of the town. I don't care if I'm nightkilled if we win.

The doc is infinitely more useful on that score alive than dead.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:53 pm**

I don't think marmot is lying, idunno if he's telling truth either, but by all the other roles he chose keith & not Gladys, idk if colin is lying or if he's keith, this is confusing.

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:54 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:50 pmPretty sure that is an import part of your role, and therefore legal to spew.

I hope that no one else claims (unless they are counter-claiming a power role), because I fear that this game might break if they do.

I could ask for clarification. It's probably doable without. Game breaking is not fun, but tempting. : p

Posted: **Wed May 30, 2018 1:56 pm**

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:47 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:44 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 30, 2018 1:44 pm @ColinIsCool , Would you care to share your targets if you're Keith, OR do you think that is entirely unnecessary?
* In the case you were Keith. You know.
I’m not sure what you’re asking?

It's not hard to follow, marmot claimed keith & shared his targets, now we're asking for your targets

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