Don't Starve Mafia [ENDGAME]

[RondoDimBuckle]

If I look at this whole game from a PoE perspective. Deepwolf (I don't mean this consensus-wise, its just the perspective from my own reads and relative lack of paranoia over) would be someone in the top group, the only maybe sneaky wolf I could see is Lime Coke, and the rest of the potential wolves is somewhere in the bottom group.

Zenon
Seanzie
JJJ
Belzy

Lime Coke

falcon45ca
motobot
Ricochet
RondoDimBuckle

Rondo has been put out of eternally-null territory and into consideration since he came into here with very little and has a vote on JJJ. I had hoped maybe the disappearance from the thread was his own doing or something and he would make something out of it. But nothing has come up from it.

You know that I was removed from thread and couldn't vote or post because you were the first to mention it. You are the one I think that did it so this is a funny post

[RondoDimBuckle]

A summary of all my meatbaby reviews will be packaged with my chart when I get it finished. For some very basic cliff notes: I think most people are at least vaguely compatible with meatbaby outside Martin and Rondo, who don't really fit at all. I also tend to doubt Seanzie fits.

Well I guess I can't take you to fx and then flip on the other person anymore since you've ruined that plan I am going to post again

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Rondo never fails to have a good time.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I appreciate your perspectives Martin. I can’t say much at the moment, but I will continue thinking things over.

[RondoDimBuckle]

It was interesting how little people actually pushed me over the past two day phases. Everyone was willing to say "oh that Rondo what a sneaky guy, I dont want to town read him but he isnt a wolf so I will bravely go out on a limb and say null" but no one seriously pushed me over more than 72 hours of solo pushing jjj

[RondoDimBuckle]

I am also not surprised that JJJ is unsurprised by me

[RondoDimBuckle]

I will remind everyone neon isnt dead yet

[RondoDimBuckle]

I was super happy when I got holed. It was a nice excuse to not post while I was actually really busy. I have this lunch break at work and then I probably wont post till next day unless I can sneak some time. Got a super busy afternoon, evening and morning. So if you wanna chat I am here for a bit

[Ricochet]

I will remind everyone neon isnt dead yet

She sure looks silenced toDay, though.

[Seanzie]

It was interesting how little people actually pushed me over the past two day phases. Everyone was willing to say "oh that Rondo what a sneaky guy, I dont want to town read him but he isnt a wolf so I will bravely go out on a limb and say null" but no one seriously pushed me over more than 72 hours of solo pushing jjj

You've done shiz. Who said this?

[Seanzie]

I was super happy when I got holed. It was a nice excuse to not post while I was actually really busy. I have this lunch break at work and then I probably wont post till next day unless I can sneak some time. Got a super busy afternoon, evening and morning. So if you wanna chat I am here for a bit

Care to respond to my earlier post?

[Seanzie]

Nothing?

[Seanzie]

Meh.

[Seanzie]

Is anyone around?

[MartinGG99]

I am, just in case someone really wants something of me.

Otherwise I'm planning to actually work on solving more when I wake up sometime 13-14 hours from now. Like actually just looking into the possible associatives myself rather than looking at what JJJ pointed out, for example.

[Seanzie]

I am, just in case someone really wants something of me.

Otherwise I'm planning to actually work on solving more when I wake up sometime 13-14 hours from now. Like actually just looking into the possible associatives myself rather than looking at what JJJ pointed out, for example.

If you're still here, what do you think of Rondo and/or Rico?

[Seanzie]

All by my ssssseeeeeeellllffff

[MartinGG99]

I am, just in case someone really wants something of me.

Otherwise I'm planning to actually work on solving more when I wake up sometime 13-14 hours from now. Like actually just looking into the possible associatives myself rather than looking at what JJJ pointed out, for example.

If you're still here, what do you think of Rondo and/or Rico?

if there aren't any deepwolves Rico most likely is a wolf is what my intuition says, part of it is prior arguments I've discussed and part of it is just poe

Rondo I've spoken recently about, I largely feel he can be wolf but I'm sheeping JJJ's perspective on it because he has more experience with Rondo and argues that he's among the few that aren't compatible with meatbaby

[MartinGG99]

Zenon is someone I need to look further into. I have varying positive impressions of them but I have yet to do a full ISO of them. What direction that may lead me to will help me start building worlds and refine what poe order I would like and etc.

Also Zenon hasn't popped up today, for whatever reason.

Question for you @Seanzie, you still confident in that Porscha thing? I realized earlier I completely forgot them to place them in my poe-oriented view of the game earlier and I think part of it is that I have them written off from consideration because you've vouched for them so much.

[MartinGG99]

If Zenon is silenced then, assuming the silence is wolf-induced, that doesn't make much sense with the Tutuu NK. The Tutuu flip implicated Zenon since Zenon was sure at a certain point that Tutuu was wolf. And why doesn't JJJ get silenced in the circumstance that they're both town? I don't think it suggests anything about JJJ, but it may have important world-building considerations later.

I might get silenced tomorrow. Especially since my night-protection (wood d1 + flint today) will activate. Which would really suck.

[Seanzie]

I am, just in case someone really wants something of me.

Otherwise I'm planning to actually work on solving more when I wake up sometime 13-14 hours from now. Like actually just looking into the possible associatives myself rather than looking at what JJJ pointed out, for example.

If you're still here, what do you think of Rondo and/or Rico?

if there aren't any deepwolves Rico most likely is a wolf is what my intuition says, part of it is prior arguments I've discussed and part of it is just poe

Rondo I've spoken recently about, I largely feel he can be wolf but I'm sheeping JJJ's perspective on it because he has more experience with Rondo and argues that he's among the few that aren't compatible with meatbaby

This is your recent post.

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I basically agree with most of what you've said. I can't really agree with the Rondo thing though, just because Rondo's largely unknown by me and for all I know he very well would do a very-on-the-nose LAMIST post towards a teammate for the sake of appearing town (and, I would hypothesize, he was saying it more-so for the LAMIST part rather than any interactive value and so I don't really see it as dissociative). But since you seem to know him better I'll sheep it for now. I also do want to note explicitly that

absence of anything between these two is a little concerning given Zenon's 200+ posts

I am somewhat concerned about that as well. Meatbaby had a whole conflict with Tutuu on d1 (a significant suspect of Zenon's if I recall) and so it seems semi-odd that Zenon wouldn't have an interest in Meatbaby. However I don't really think this is damning because I have seen people not interact with others for multiple day phases, perhaps including myself in past games. So while I do find it fairly concerning, I might also be equally inclined to hand-wave it away as nothing.

Why did you assume Rondo couldn't post D2?

[MartinGG99]

Speaking of silences, if what affects Zenon the same thing that affected Rondo, why is the one that affected Rico single-shot? What occurred to Rico happened only once and nobody else today.

Unless they targeted the same person I guess. I'm trying to ponder out these questions, which may very well lead no-where, but they might highlight or suggest a direction to look. And who knows, maybe someone who hasn't claimed (which, btw, is all but 2 of us alive here if I have my facts straight) will have info on what's going on and want to share. If there are claims though be wary of anti-claim and so try to be somewhat vague on what you claim.

[MartinGG99]

Why did you assume Rondo couldn't post D2?

Because he was still in the game. Also, Rondo doesn't look the type to enjoy being silent. He likes doing things and so I thought it was a reasonable assumption at some point in day 2.

[Seanzie]

Zenon is someone I need to look further into. I have varying positive impressions of them but I have yet to do a full ISO of them. What direction that may lead me to will help me start building worlds and refine what poe order I would like and etc.

Also Zenon hasn't popped up today, for whatever reason.

Question for you @Seanzie, you still confident in that Porscha thing? I realized earlier I completely forgot them to place them in my poe-oriented view of the game earlier and I think part of it is that I have them written off from consideration because you've vouched for them so much.

I still feel fine about Porscha.

[Seanzie]

Speaking of silences, if what affects Zenon the same thing that affected Rondo, why is the one that affected Rico single-shot? What occurred to Rico happened only once and nobody else today.

Unless they targeted the same person I guess. I'm trying to ponder out these questions, which may very well lead no-where, but they might highlight or suggest a direction to look. And who knows, maybe someone who hasn't claimed (which, btw, is all but 2 of us alive here if I have my facts straight) will have info on what's going on and want to share. If there are claims though be wary of anti-claim and so try to be somewhat vague on what you claim.

You were removed from the poll but not silenced, but Rondo was silenced and Zenon was silenced, and the fact that the Rico-quirk only happened once bothers you?

[MartinGG99]

Speaking of silences, if what affects Zenon the same thing that affected Rondo, why is the one that affected Rico single-shot? What occurred to Rico happened only once and nobody else today.

Unless they targeted the same person I guess. I'm trying to ponder out these questions, which may very well lead no-where, but they might highlight or suggest a direction to look. And who knows, maybe someone who hasn't claimed (which, btw, is all but 2 of us alive here if I have my facts straight) will have info on what's going on and want to share. If there are claims though be wary of anti-claim and so try to be somewhat vague on what you claim.

You were removed from the poll but not silenced, but Rondo was silenced and Zenon was silenced, and the fact that the Rico-quirk only happened once bothers you?

Nobody claimed doing it to Rico. Hardly anyone seems to have claimed even indirect responsibility for anything.

It all bothers me, I'm just noting down the discernable differences that seem to exist in an effort to jog my brain at what all of this could mean. Some of these unexplained actions are probably of town or 3p origin, otherwise we're in for a very rough few days as we inch closer and closer to smaller player-counts where the silencings (or otherwise) could have a proportionally larger effect if they are not shot-limited.

[Seanzie]

meatbaby/Martin association

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I want to vote on Martin
I see a wagon on Tutuu and Martin. I will explain it later because I am still at work.
But I can't vote on Martin because there is not a voting option with Martin... everybody else but not Martin. Is he just missing on my voting thread or at yours as well?
And O don't want to vote on Tutuu today, I am still not sure about her but def want Martin out

Does nobody see a wagon with Martin, JJJ and Tutuu or is this just me?

[VOTE: Martin] aubergine

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I think I'll be here for now.

[VOTE: meatbaby] aubergine

open to consideration of other slots though because someone earlier pointed out it was their first day here and if they're town and I kick them off I would feel very rude tbh, but that won't save them from being my 2nd day vote if they live to that point with no improvement

im now off to read in SVS and Scotty and such

tutuu

JaggedJimmyJay

Vivax
Lime Coke
Scotty
falcon45ca
Ricochet

RondoDimBuckle
Belzy
Creature
DrWilgy
Seanzie
Zenon
Porscha
motobot

S~V~S
die_meatbaby

Something like this? I would say? A lot of it feels like waiting for more to happen from certain people so I'm not sold on this arrangement. But it does bother me since my vote could go onto a person whom I could maybe solve later and I dislike being inefficient like that (unless I get lucky and its on a wolf). Better than letting Tutuu die though.

Looks like I'll have to see if I can be here tomorrow (IRL) more. No promises though since usually my Wednesday evenings are spent with a particular online friend unless they're too busy.

I just realized the alphabetizer I used didn't order properly. It went through upper-case and then lower-case.

Meaning I had die_meatbaby much farther down in my to-do list than I should've. Oh well. Its an ordering anyways.

Does nobody see a wagon with Martin, JJJ and Tutuu or is this just me?

Rondodimbuckle and I are missing from the poll, where we vote people, if that's what you're referring to.

Everyone else appears to be on there though.

This might be the most conclusively dissociated pair on the board. I don't get a distancing impression at all from the first Martin vote, and credit to him for having a good initial instinct for meatbaby. meatbaby's reception of Martin in general strikes me as pure return-fire defensiveness, and not the sort of thing that suggests an unseen agenda. I doubt Martin is meatbaby's teammate.

Meatbaby spends a weird amount of time on Martin compared to other things, but I could easily see this come from people pushing them in wolf chat. How do you explain their (lack of) progression on Martin? As TMI, or?

[MartinGG99]

Btw

You were removed from the poll but not silenced, but Rondo was silenced and Zenon was silenced, and the fact that the Rico-quirk only happened once bothers you?

Am I to conjecture that something specific bothers you about the silences on Rondo and Zenon that you're just not sharing?

[MartinGG99]

I think I'm going to start working on all of this with full focus sooner. Only for 2-3 hours initially, then I got to sleep. Once I'm back up I'll be here to think about things more because there's a mild chance I will get silenced on n3 and that would be bad because I'm fairly high chance to be a n4 kill.

[MartinGG99]

I never actually noticed till now.

By post-count Falcon's probably just mafia judging by the amount of posts available to be read in this game. I don't care what anyone else says, Falcon's probably just mafia for that. If not, then I'm stupid this game.

In addition to that, Zenon also apparently has this moment where they shade an early d1 wagon and follow-up soon-ish with pressure or votes on Tutuu and Vivax, but not Falcon who was also a voter at that time (based on searches of posted votes at that time). Nothing seems to have come of it with respect to falcon, but it more than certainly has for Vivax and Tutuu of which they've voted both at one point or another on d1. Even voting Vivax multiple times.

I don't think this creature wagon is good lol

Vote: Vivax

Vote Tutuu

annnd this later thing happens:

Talk to me about Neon plz, cuz I'm having troubles finding them as town

I think she decently resembles the town version of her that I saw in champs this season, primarily by way of interrogative chutzpah, and also her skepticism of people she thinks are being too widely town read (especially tutuu), and her exasperation about feeling ignored. I acknowledge the appeal to emotion in the last bit, but I don't really care about that.

Do you have specific concerns about her?

I actually don't really understand how feeling frustrated that I personally felt ignored at EoD is AtE

Where Falcon is clearly expressing some "trouble" with Neon/Zenon (specifically Zenon responds to a post quoting Flacon saying that so Zenon clearly could've been aware of that) but there's barely any interaction between the two after that. What I quote below is basically all the interaction (or even really mention) they have for the rest of the game:
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sometimes feelings are wrong, stupid, pointless, harmful to ourselves, etc. if you don't have a boundary to determine what was actually hurtful instead of it just happening to hurt your feelings then everybody is responsible for someone else's emotions and that's frequently untrue. can we move on and talk about the game

I disagree with the insinuation that feelings are at any point stupid.

Yes I'm aware I'm overly emotional. No I do not think that invalidates my feelings or makes them stupid and yes I do think that means that people should try to understand where and why I feel hurt by certain actions. I am not hurt by every action in hurt by more than most people sure but not everything makes me cry.

Porscha did not insinuate that sometimes feelings are stupid, she flat out said it directly.



And she's right. Sometimes feelings are stupid, wrong, incorrect, harmful, etc.

They aren't though

ok i want to respect porscha's wishes to get back into the game

so, lets get back to being serious, guys

question for you two:

has JJJ done isos as town before?

I don't think talking about this is non game related because in mafia emotions often run high and are readable and AI so talking about emotions and the validity of them is useful.

You're addressing part of what tutuu said, but not (imo) the meat of the meal so to speak.


How do you feel about JJJ and his ISO dive?

I feel nothing about it. I don't think it's particularly towny it is however helping me immensely to understand the game better and I hope he continues them

can anyone offer a team of 3-4 names?

its not my style too, i prefer towncoring, but i think porscha is right that applying pressure should be good. which means scumreads

motobot, wilgy, falcon is my immediate poe
and i have limecoke and jayjayjay as potentially spicy wolves, depending on how the games goes
LC could move down to immediate, i dunno. i need to read more

I can not because I refuse to do pairings it's too easy to make yourself look unaligned and thus ignore wolfy behavior in favor of this concept that they are not aligned with anyone

ok ignore the pairings part. im also not thinking of pairings. maybe i should have worded differently. can i get a list of 3 or 4 suspects. dont matter if they can make a team or not. independently sussy wussy

My suspect list is way too big...

I guess uh

Creature
JJJ

Who the hell is even in this game

Uh.

Uh.

Omgus.

Falcon

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Seems to me a possible meatbaby + Zenon + Falcon world might exist, considering meatbaby could be compatible with these two. Gonna go back to double-check my findings on that compatibility though.

And for those of whom are wondering "gee martin didn't you just insinuate that the silencing of Rondo and Zenon are wolf powers?" and to that yes I did. But I brought it up because in connection to the Tutuu NK I read it as plausibly cover for Zenon and for Zenon to act like they're a victim of a wolf-orchestrated power/plan.

[MartinGG99]

A tentative early PoE order post-meat-baby would be something like

Falcon45ca -> Zenon (if falcon mafia) / Rico (if falcon not mafia) -> one of motobot/lime coke (you all figure it out because I'm probably dead by this point) -> the other of motobot/lime coke

If somehow we go Falcon -> Rico with both green flips either we've lost or its time to hit all the panic buttons.

[MartinGG99]

Looking into Zenon's handling of Rico, and they defend Rico a fair bit in a way that seems sorta V/W. Almost white-knighting territory I would say.

A number of quotes from day 2, with some orange-color highlights of which I think are notable. First one is highlighting Sean's comment, which seems to trigger Zenon's decision to start town-reading and/or defending Rico, because prior to this there's hardly much on Rico by Zenon.

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Elim this plz.

Rico is honestly just town unless this is a fake restriction and I donut think it is

I genuinely believe post restriction abilities are always wolf sided and generally are always wolf PRs therefore I think Rico is town however there is a juxtaposition with the fact that I think it was me and Porscha were wolfing together don't remember who else and we used our post restriction abilities on ourself so I am acutely aware of that.

i'm sorry? what makes you think there is a post restriction ability?

Logic. I mean like literally why else would Rico be playing the way they have today. No shot this was a conscious choice.

i'm sorry? what makes you think there is a post restriction ability?

all of rico's posts

I guess it's possible. but the confidence of which it was said threw me, cuz I was just reading rico as joking around

it didn't occur to me that he *couldnt* post normally

I mean why would someone make the cocos decision to continue to post in that manner while being PoE.

I feel like Rico cares more than to get themself killed for a meme.

I also don't think anyone in their right mind is going to wolf read him because of it, just like you aren't. so he clearly isn't in danger from it

Sure but my point is that in most cases a post restriction is wolf sided so thusly Rico having it is >rand townie

Therefore Rico being a lead wagon is not beneficial and in fact actively a problem.

Martin: This continues from the last quote.

okay then push someone else?

sidenote, you literally played a game with post restrictions that wolves applied to themselves too...

You should be acutely aware that I'm not a fan of pushing players and that my general play style is too attempt to get others to see what I'm seeing.

And yes I openly acknowledged this it's in the post where I asserted this feeling

Defend rico all you want, but everyone including you will be aimlessly ditzing around if we don't find some scumreads to push and wagons to consolidate on. like that's the perfect gamestate for wolves. all talk no pressure

In effect isn't finding town going to place pressure somewhere anyways?

Like yes I think players who have a play style around pushing and applying pressure should do such but I do not think that negates how I play the game and I think the system works most effectively when players who apply pressure apply said pressure while listening to players like me who's style is too find and defend town reads.

It's effectively a checks and balances system in effect

okay well you're the one complaining about gamestate so idk why you're defending yourself to me when I make a suggestion to do something different

I'm sorry I'm upsetting you my point mainly is that the game state has stagnated I am attempting to show the thread that by explaining my concerns and my reads on the players currently being pushed I am trying to pull pressure away from players.

I'm not trying to upset you but I think that you want me to play in a way I'm uncomfortable playing and I do not think that my approach is any less effective than if I were pushing someone and making cases.

[MartinGG99]

The above post has a spoiler. I forgot to put something below it so people don't accidentally glaze over it as if it were signature spoiler.

[MartinGG99]

Also for anyone who has been paying attention to me

I'm well aware I've been behaving a bit weirdly over the past 12 hours or so. Its a bit of a fact that I sometimes just start acting weird, not just socially but also cognitively. It just happens. Not every game, but on occasion it does. Maybe once I wake up I'll break out of my weirdness mood that I seem to be stuck in, as its not necessarily a thing I can control.

I strongly suggest you disregard such weirdness and look into the stuff I've brought up myself, and come to your own conclusions if you're not initially convinced. Do your own research. Don't judge it based on how well or awkwardly I've put my thoughts together for you to examine.

[Ricochet]

Can’t say I noticed weirdness from you.

Also can’t say I follow why I would be wolf for being townread by Zenon.

[MartinGG99]

Can’t say I noticed weirdness from you.

Also can’t say I follow why I would be wolf for being townread by Zenon.

It was the opposite, zenon wolf and you villager

[MartinGG99]

Looking into Zenon's handling of Rico, and they defend Rico a fair bit in a way that seems sorta V/W. Almost white-knighting territory I would say.

A number of quotes from day 2, with some orange-color highlights of which I think are notable. First one is highlighting Sean's comment, which seems to trigger Zenon's decision to start town-reading and/or defending Rico, because prior to this there's hardly much on Rico by Zenon.

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Elim this plz.

Rico is honestly just town unless this is a fake restriction and I donut think it is

I genuinely believe post restriction abilities are always wolf sided and generally are always wolf PRs therefore I think Rico is town however there is a juxtaposition with the fact that I think it was me and Porscha were wolfing together don't remember who else and we used our post restriction abilities on ourself so I am acutely aware of that.

i'm sorry? what makes you think there is a post restriction ability?

Logic. I mean like literally why else would Rico be playing the way they have today. No shot this was a conscious choice.

i'm sorry? what makes you think there is a post restriction ability?

all of rico's posts

I guess it's possible. but the confidence of which it was said threw me, cuz I was just reading rico as joking around

it didn't occur to me that he *couldnt* post normally

I mean why would someone make the cocos decision to continue to post in that manner while being PoE.

I feel like Rico cares more than to get themself killed for a meme.

I also don't think anyone in their right mind is going to wolf read him because of it, just like you aren't. so he clearly isn't in danger from it

Sure but my point is that in most cases a post restriction is wolf sided so thusly Rico having it is >rand townie

Therefore Rico being a lead wagon is not beneficial and in fact actively a problem.

okay then push someone else?

sidenote, you literally played a game with post restrictions that wolves applied to themselves too...

You should be acutely aware that I'm not a fan of pushing players and that my general play style is too attempt to get others to see what I'm seeing.

And yes I openly acknowledged this it's in the post where I asserted this feeling

Defend rico all you want, but everyone including you will be aimlessly ditzing around if we don't find some scumreads to push and wagons to consolidate on. like that's the perfect gamestate for wolves. all talk no pressure

In effect isn't finding town going to place pressure somewhere anyways?

Like yes I think players who have a play style around pushing and applying pressure should do such but I do not think that negates how I play the game and I think the system works most effectively when players who apply pressure apply said pressure while listening to players like me who's style is too find and defend town reads.

It's effectively a checks and balances system in effect

okay well you're the one complaining about gamestate so idk why you're defending yourself to me when I make a suggestion to do something different

I'm sorry I'm upsetting you my point mainly is that the game state has stagnated I am attempting to show the thread that by explaining my concerns and my reads on the players currently being pushed I am trying to pull pressure away from players.

I'm not trying to upset you but I think that you want me to play in a way I'm uncomfortable playing and I do not think that my approach is any less effective than if I were pushing someone and making cases.

1st quote

sean makes it clear he wants to get rid of Rico, Zenon announces that Rico is town

2nd quote

Zenon explains reasoning but gives small caveat that, in light of everything else they say about rico, seems like an opening they leave themselves for going the other direction on Rico if they want to

3rd quote

straight says logic...doesn't really react to Porscha asking such a question with an obvious answer. To me "logic" reads as a preety assertive word but reading it again it might not be. Wolves can be assertive about things (especially when pushing against wrong narratives) in order to look better, and I sorta feel this in the later quotes

4th quote

the highlighted looks like white-knighting ("my point" and calling the situation an "active problem" despite saying rico is ">rand townie") or using Rico to push a potential narrative, like just read that and presume Rico town to see what I mean

5th

mild emphasis on self again and what they're doing in connection to game-state, almost as if this is very important (which it would be if the pushed players of d2 are town)

[MartinGG99]

Can’t say I noticed weirdness from you.

To elaborate:

I think if someone looked at my recent-ish progression they probably would notice. My weirdness generally involves jumps to stuff out of nowhere because I'm leaning into a pool of different thoughts I'm having in the background all at the same time. The arguments won't be as clear. The direction or whatever I am taking may be less clear. Someone with more experience playing with me would probably know what I'm talking about. Although, come to think of it, not a whole lot of people have played with me a lot previously in this game.

[MartinGG99]

forgot to place this in the earlier block of quotes, but this is more or less the only thing mentioned of Rico (on day 1) before they started TRing them (on day 2) largely on mech reasons and nothing else

Vote Rico

I really don't dig either of the main 2 wagon compositions *shrugs*

you would not do that to a scum partner I think, especially for a more-invested player like Zenon

[MartinGG99]

you would not do that

"that" refers to the mech reasoning, and the fact that it is largely the only reasoning, not the quote

[MartinGG99]

DrWilgy

Voters: Scotty

MartinGG99

Voters: S~V~S

Ricochet

Voters: Seanzie

Scotty

Voters: Ricochet, DrWilgy, Vivax, die_meatbaby, falcon45ca

Seanzie

Voters: Creature

tutuu

Voters: motobot

Vivax

Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, RondoDimBuckle, Zenon, tutuu, Lime Coke, MartinGG99

Creature

Voters: Zenon, DrWilgy, die_meatbaby, Porscha, Creature, Lime Coke

DrWilgy

Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, tutuu, Seanzie

Lime Coke

Voters: Ricochet, motobot

motobot

Voters: Belzy, MartinGG99

Zenon

Voters: falcon45ca

assuming a three-wolf-team, colored on wolf and not-wolf, my best solution currently

[MartinGG99]

if there's a 4th wolf then things get a bit complicated as I'm currently unsure of who they are. Could be motobot or not for all I know.

[MartinGG99]

again though I think best way to test this theory is after meatbaby

flip/yeet falcon

if he's green then I think the reasons to support a zenon yeet get lower but if he's red then the reasons get drastically higher, given how earlier I noted that Zenon seemed to selectively ignore Falcon when shading and pressuring the people who led an early d1 Creature wagon

[Ricochet]

General question: which player do you find the hardest to crack, from intel and/or game activity?

[Ricochet]

if there's a 4th wolf then things get a bit complicated as I'm currently unsure of who they are. Could be motobot or not for all I know.

8-4 would be a dire situation already for toDay. Two phases away from LyLo, if they hit their kill toNight.

Would have expected a 3p (killer), especially given Night protection tool also being obtainable by wolves in principle, but no signs of that from the nightkills, unless it's a role with conditioned activation.

[MartinGG99]

General question: which player do you find the hardest to crack, from intel and/or game activity?

Depends on the game circumstances.

In this game, outside of Motobot (since they post VERY little), Rondo would fit that description. He has a playstyle and overall behavior that, iirc, is often something I'm not familiar with. I've played with him only once or twice to realize that I don't really understand the guy well. It leads to issues for me in trying to case him as town or mafia as generally in either department I can be unconfident. Post a lot or post a little, I probably would still have confidence issues with him. Best I can hope for is that the most plausible world does not involve him or he gets cleared by some sort of mech. That or there's a JJJ that I can sheep.

[MartinGG99]

if there's a 4th wolf then things get a bit complicated as I'm currently unsure of who they are. Could be motobot or not for all I know.

8-4 would be a dire situation already for toDay. Two phases away from LyLo, if they hit their kill toNight.

Would have expected a 3p (killer), especially given Night protection tool also being obtainable by wolves in principle, but no signs of that from the nightkills, unless it's a role with conditioned activation.

Lylo might not be a certainty even if we knew the specific player-count for each alignment

as hunger/food is a thing

[MartinGG99]

Liver & Onions -falcon45ca
Yogurt - Belzy
Deviled Eggs - Porscha
Pimento Cheese Sandwich - die_meatbaby
Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream - Ricochet

Only five food items for this day phase, when last day phase had eight, and the first day phase had 11

next day phase it will likely be two food items

[MartinGG99]

anyways I am going to head off now

[Ricochet]

Liver & Onions -falcon45ca
Yogurt - Belzy
Deviled Eggs - Porscha
Pimento Cheese Sandwich - die_meatbaby
Mint Chocolate Chip Ice Cream - Ricochet

Only five food items for this day phase, when last day phase had eight, and the first day phase had 11

next day phase it will likely be two food items

Three? Unless you expect there to be two night deaths again.