The Syndicate

Why would Stone Cold choose those two players? Both were in danger of being the next player lynched right before they were taken off the poll. Does Steve Austin think they were wrongfully accused? and as an indy, why would he care anyways? And why didn't we see this power being used on the first 5 nights in the game?

For the record I'm no longer sold on BWT being the SK although it's still likely that he could be. But I do think he's a baddie who knows he's been caught one way or the other. He gave up trying to defend himself. Even now that he's no longer silenced, he doesn't seem interested in clearing his name.

Turnip Head wrote:Why would Stone Cold choose those two players? Both were in danger of being the next player lynched right before they were taken off the poll. Does Steve Austin think they were wrongfully accused? and as an indy, why would he care anyways? And why didn't we see this power being used on the first 5 nights in the game?

Because maybe someone subbed in for an inactive player?

Turnip Head wrote:For the record I'm no longer sold on BWT being the SK although it's still likely that he could be. But I do think he's a baddie who knows he's been caught one way or the other. He gave up trying to defend himself. Even now that he's no longer silenced, he doesn't seem interested in clearing his name.

One day, he's HHH. The next Day, he had teammates and "knows he's been caught one way or the other" and "gave up trying to defend himself."

Horseshit.

Well I wish I could pin down a role for him to appease you, Epi, but I'm not a psychic turnip. *shrug*

Turnip Head wrote:Well I wish I could pin down a role for him to appease you, Epi, but I'm not a psychic turnip. *shrug*

Voting for him because he may well be HHH is one thing (I did that). Voting for him now because suddenly he has teammates and his teammates have magical powers we don't know about it another.

The case on BWT is clear cut, so you say. What is the case on BWT now?

His responses during the Hedge lynch are still suspicious to me. His lack of enthusiasm for his new role, his lack of defenses, his lack of indignation against the SK theories, his general tone and now his complete absence from trying to play the game with us all seem like indicators, to me, that he's a baddie, who knows he's likely be lynched, and so he can't be bothered to try and make any heartfelt attempt to stay alive.

Short of any actual role outing, this is as clear cut of a suspicion-based case as I can see. A civvie would have played very differently the past few days.

And you did not vote for BWT because you thought he was HHH, so it's weird that you say you did. In fact, you were very explicit when you said you only voted for him because hedge did. When bWT started taking actual heat from others,, you questioned why others were voting for him. And then when I tried to explain why he might be HHH, you said you didn't like it because it was circumstantial.

If BWT comes back as a Heel or a Corp member, I'll likely be looking your way next

Also, Stone Cold's role contains secrets, obviously. Even if he is the one responsible for silencing/buying time for BWT and CBK, as you have so strongly argued, it's possible that he's joined a team. Your attempts to discredit the cases against BWT and CBK by blaming it on an Indy could be very telling down the road.

Turnip Head wrote:And you did not vote for BWT because you thought he was HHH, so it's weird that you say you did. In fact, you were very explicit when you said you only voted for him because hedge did. When bWT started taking actual heat from others,, you questioned why others were voting for him. And then when I tried to explain why he might be HHH, you said you didn't like it because it was circumstantial.

If BWT comes back as a Heel or a Corp member, I'll likely be looking your way next

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:he suddenly thought i was up to shenanigans was odd to me. Why me? As opposed to anyone else?

There's a world of difference between what I say and what I think. Remember that.

Out of the three Indy roles, Steve Austin is the only one who doesn't have a win condition written into his role.

• HHH is the SK and needs to be the last man standing.
• Eddie is a true neutral with some neat tools to survive, and all he needs to do is survive to the end.
• Steve Austin's win condition is not given.

I think he's joined a team and started using his power to help bail his teammates out.

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:And you did not vote for BWT because you thought he was HHH, so it's weird that you say you did.

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:he suddenly thought i was up to shenanigans was odd to me. Why me? As opposed to anyone else?

There's a world of difference between what I say and what I think. Remember that.

So.... did you think BWT was the serial killer when you voted for him or didn't you? And if you did, then why did you make me belabor the point with you a few days ago? And if you suspected him of being HHH then, do you still suspect him to be now? And if not, what has happened to change your mind?

Seems to me that you are just flip flopping on the matter when it suits you, just so that you can disagree with me.

Turnip Head wrote:Also, Stone Cold's role contains secrets, obviously. Even if he is the one responsible for silencing/buying time for BWT and CBK, as you have so strongly argued, it's possible that he's joined a team. Your attempts to discredit the cases against BWT and CBK by blaming it on an Indy could be very telling down the road.

So my voting BWT second alongside a civilian and then my making the ONLY sensible case regarding why people are AT ONCE silenced, off the poll, and unable to vote is telling how?

I have not attempted to discredit a birdwithteeth11 case because there IS NO CASE. Unless you want to present one. Once again- where is this CLEAR CUT case you mentioned?

Turnip Head wrote:Out of the three Indy roles, Steve Austin is the only one who doesn't have a win condition written into his role.

• HHH is the SK and needs to be the last man standing.
• Eddie is a true neutral with some neat tools to survive, and all he needs to do is survive to the end.
• Steve Austin's win condition is not given.

I think he's joined a team and started using his power to help bail his teammates out.

Great. You think things. I think things too.

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:And you did not vote for BWT because you thought he was HHH, so it's weird that you say you did.

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:he suddenly thought i was up to shenanigans was odd to me. Why me? As opposed to anyone else?

There's a world of difference between what I say and what I think. Remember that.

So.... did you think BWT was the serial killer when you voted for him or didn't you? And if you did, then why did you make me belabor the point with you a few days ago? And if you suspected him of being HHH then, do you still suspect him to be now? And if not, what has happened to change your mind?

Seems to me that you are just flip flopping on the matter when it suits you, just so that you can disagree with me.

Because I don't think you are genuine, and I think I've caught you in a puddle of poo poo. And that's how I go about my bidness.

You went from bwt being HHH based on circumstantial evidence, and NOW, based on "things said to Hedgeowl" (which you didn't bother to elaborate on), bwt has teammates who have secrets and steal dead bodies and OMG STEVE AUSTIN NOW IS ON A TEAM AND JESUS HEP US.

It's too much man.

I'm allowed to have thoughts and theories and have those thoughts change as the game progresses. You don't have to like or agree with my theories, but that doesn't mean they aren't valid. However, if I end up being right, your attempts to discredit me are going to look very suspicious.

Turnip Head wrote:I'm allowed to have thoughts and theories and have those thoughts change as the game progresses. You don't have to like or agree with my theories, but that doesn't mean they aren't valid. However, if I end up being right, your attempts to discredit me are going to look very suspicious.

You said the case on birdwithteeth11 is clear cut.

I don't agree with that assessment.

Can you show me where this clear cut case is please so that I might evaluate it?

And Mr. Turnip, in case you haven't noticed.

I don't give two shits about looking very suspicious.

You keep harping on my usage of those words. I've stated multiple times why I believe BWT to be bad. I don't think I need to elaborate anymore.

Turnip Head wrote:You keep harping on my usage of those words. I've stated multiple times why I believe BWT to be bad. I don't think I need to elaborate anymore.

I didn't ask for an elaboration. A link would suffice.

A link to what?

Turnip Head wrote:A link to what?

The clear cut case on bwt.

I have my own case on BWT, which to me is clear cut. Evaluate it if you want. It makes no difference to me, since I'm pretty sure you're on a team with him :P

Turnip Head wrote:Does anyone have a good reason to not vote BWT today? I'm also still suspicious of Lizzy based on my interactions with her yesterday, and my suspicion of Devin still lingers, but the case on BWT seems so clear cut.

Turnip Head wrote:I have my own case on BWT, which to me is clear cut. Evaluate it if you want. It makes no difference to me, since I'm pretty sure you're on a team with him :P

You first asked a question to other people. I responded to it, asking where this clear cut case was.

Now it's your own private case, and I'm his teammate. After I voted for him right behind a civilian.

You're making less and less sense.

Epignosis wrote:Now it's your own private case, and I'm his teammate. After I voted for him right behind a civilian.

You keep using this as a defense for why I shouldn't think you and BWT are teammates. Yes, you voted for him after Hedge did, but you also led the assault on Hedge herself. And, other than that single vote on BWT, you have spent the rest of your posts being decidedly not suspicious of him, and trying to shut down any case on him. Literally, you have not voiced any suspicion of BWT at all. But you use the fact that you voted for him as a reason why you aren't his teammate.

Makes me think you voted for him just so you could use it as your defense later on.

So yeah. I think it's possible you're on a team with BWT, and the fact that you voted for him in that lynch doesn't deter me at all.

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Now it's your own private case, and I'm his teammate. After I voted for him right behind a civilian.

You keep using this as a defense for why I shouldn't think you and BWT are teammates. Yes, you voted for him after Hedge did, but you also led the assault on Hedge herself. And, other than that single vote on BWT, you have spent the rest of your posts being decidedly not suspicious of him, and trying to shut down any case on him. Literally, you have not voiced any suspicion of BWT at all. But you use the fact that you voted for him as a reason why you aren't his teammate.

Makes me think you voted for him just so you could use it as your defense later on.

So yeah. I think it's possible you're on a team with BWT, and the fact that you voted for him in that lynch doesn't deter me at all.

Yeah, I'm responsible for everything that goes on in this game, we know already.

As for trying to shut down any case on him, what the hell? I'm the only one in here ASKING for a case on birdwithteeth11. I keep asking, and you keep evading it. Then suddenly it's a private case.

Why do I have to voice any suspicion of birdwithteeth11? Are you waiting for ME to tell you what the case on him is so you and everybody else can follow suit?

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Now it's your own private case, and I'm his teammate. After I voted for him right behind a civilian.

You keep using this as a defense for why I shouldn't think you and BWT are teammates. Yes, you voted for him after Hedge did, but you also led the assault on Hedge herself. And, other than that single vote on BWT, you have spent the rest of your posts being decidedly not suspicious of him, and trying to shut down any case on him. Literally, you have not voiced any suspicion of BWT at all. But you use the fact that you voted for him as a reason why you aren't his teammate.

Makes me think you voted for him just so you could use it as your defense later on.

So yeah. I think it's possible you're on a team with BWT, and the fact that you voted for him in that lynch doesn't deter me at all.

Yeah, I'm responsible for everything that goes on in this game, we know already.

As for trying to shut down any case on him, what the hell? I'm the only one in here ASKING for a case on birdwithteeth11. I keep asking, and you keep evading it. Then suddenly it's a private case.

Why do I have to voice any suspicion of birdwithteeth11? Are you waiting for ME to tell you what the case on him is so you and everybody else can follow suit?

Wtf? I thought I was the one whom people would follow to get rid of TH AND CBK's teammate. Get in line, Epi!

Epignosis wrote:Yeah, I'm responsible for everything that goes on in this game, we know already.

I never said anything to this effect. So stop trying to take credit for everything.

Epignosis wrote:As for trying to shut down any case on him, what the hell? I'm the only one in here ASKING for a case on birdwithteeth11. I keep asking, and you keep evading it. Then suddenly it's a private case.

And to you I say, what the hell? I've said why I think BWT is bad. Over and over again. Others have stated why they think BWT might be bad, too.

Epignosis wrote:Why do I have to voice any suspicion of birdwithteeth11? Are you waiting for ME to tell you what the case on him is so you and everybody else can follow suit?

Uh, nope. Whether or not you hop on the BWT Express is up to you. I'm not waitin for ya, buddy.

Lizzy wrote:Wtf? I thought I was the one whom people would follow to get rid of TH AND CBK's teammate. Get in line, Epi!

What does this mean, Lizzy? Did you mean to put my name in that sentence? I know you're being cheeky but I don't understand what your post means... especially considering that this is your first post of Day 8 and you didn't comment on anything else that's happening. In fact, this is your first post since before the Day 7 lynch post where CBK survived. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Turnip Head wrote:

Lizzy wrote:Wtf? I thought I was the one whom people would follow to get rid of TH AND CBK's teammate. Get in line, Epi!

What does this mean, Lizzy? Did you mean to put my name in that sentence? I know you're being cheeky but I don't understand what your post means... especially considering that this is your first post of Day 8 and you didn't comment on anything else that's happening. In fact, this is your first post since before the Day 7 lynch post where CBK survived. Do you have any thoughts on that?

I thought you were the one with all the answers. So what do you think is the hidden meaning of my post?

Wow you guys are annoying to try and talk to. I'm done trying for today. Nobody else is talking (seriously, where are all the civvies?!?) and the people I try to talk to won't engage in any meaningful conversation with me. I've brought up plenty of points, asked plenty of questions, but they only get answered with snide remarks and crypticness. Placing my vote on BWT now.

Throwing a tantrum won't make more credible, you know. Live and adapt, otherwise natural selection will take its course in a not very pretty fashion.

Turnip Head wrote:Wow you guys are annoying to try and talk to. I'm done trying for today. Nobody else is talking (seriously, where are all the civvies?!?) and the people I try to talk to won't engage in any meaningful conversation with me. I've brought up plenty of points, asked plenty of questions, but they only get answered with snide remarks and crypticness. Placing my vote on BWT now.

I'm here! Just watching the show. <seriously, we need a popcorn emoticon>

I've been quiet today to see if anyone else has anything to say, but hardly anyone has. That, and I've been recording kiddie music for my wife's music class for home school group. Excellent new mic is excellent.

Turnip Head has placed me in a position that's nigh impossible to defend against. That's fine. I understand the dynamics of that, but it sucks.

If birdwithteeth11 gets lynched and is bad, then I tried to distance myself from him with my vote for him previously and now I've (somehow) tried to dissuade people from voting for him this Day. And if I vote for him and he's lynched but turns out good (my record being suck), that's no good either.

The only way I come out of that is to not vote for him and he turns up civilian. Although I'm sure I'd get blamed for his lynch anyway.

Why do I get the eerie feeling that several people are waiting on me to vote?

I am not, between tumbling down stairs three times in a week, and focusing on my other game. I have not had much to say here. Personally it looks like some hot civ on civ action here.

I am gonna join my arch nemesis Devin in a vote for BWT, the case makes sense to me.

Will say more when I get home and am not on phone. Just wanted to get my vote in since I feel good about it.

I'm going to go with a teefies vote today. I do believe I read a tone change when he came back as teefies 2.0 and he hasn't really done anything in the way of defending. I would think that if he were civ he'd have a lot more to say about almost being lynched two cycles ago and his silencing etc. I can't see him hanging back this much unless he's feeling like he's a caught baddie.

vote teefies

:giggles: a bit at "hot civ on civ" action. Cute choice of words svs (and interesting mental image) - but I'm inclined to agree with her on this one. With so few people talking (and I know I haven't helped, I've had work and a sick hubby to attend to), it's easy for the more talkative people to start nitpicking each other's posts. This feels a lot like nit-picking to me.

I know The Corporation knows my role. They don't know everything about me, however, which is good. I hope I scare the bejesuits out of them.

That's right Vincie-poo. I know you know.

I know some other things too.

I went with BWt because I think he had a really weak defense and now he has just given up which makes him look really bad.

What do people think about a person?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:What do people think about a person?

You already voted. Why ask that now?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:What do people think about a person?

You're going to have to be more specific.

Hitler? Eh.

Gillian Jacobs? Yes, please!

Turnip Head wrote:Wow you guys are annoying to try and talk to. I'm done trying for today. Nobody else is talking (seriously, where are all the civvies?!?) and the people I try to talk to won't engage in any meaningful conversation with me. I've brought up plenty of points, asked plenty of questions, but they only get answered with snide remarks and crypticness. Placing my vote on BWT now.

Don't despair my edible headed friend!! I stand with you and your BWT vote.

Mister Rearranger wrote: Gillian Jacobs? Yes, please!

Next Night Phase is Wrestlemania! If you want to participate in Money in the Bank, PM me! First six PMs will be entered for the chance to win a prize.

I went ahead and voted myself as well. Honestly, it's probably better I'm gone given that I never got my head in this game at all. Good luck to the civvies and get some baddies!

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I went ahead and voted myself as well. Honestly, it's probably better I'm gone given that I never got my head in this game at all. Good luck to the civvies and get some baddies!

My guess is that you're Steve Austin and you need to get lynched to win. That's the only thing that makes sense to me right now.

Barring vote manipulation, even if everyone votes today (which they won't) birdwithteeth11 is on his way out.

Voted for *BWT* in order to blend in and thus attract little or no attention to myself.

Epignosis wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:What do people think about a person?

You already voted. Why ask that now?

I ask because I don't really know anything about her/him. I did a read of all her/his posts and I'm still trying to figure him/her out so I thought I would ask. I didn't know I couldn't ask question after I voted. lol

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:What do people think about a person?

You already voted. Why ask that now?

I ask because I don't really know anything about her/him. I did a read of all her/his posts and I'm still trying to figure him/her out so I thought I would ask. I didn't know I couldn't ask question after I voted. lol

What haven't you figured out?

I haven't figure out how you play? So if I don't know that how am I suppose to decide if I think you are a baddie or a civ? That why I asked

At this point, if birdwithteeth11 comes out bad, I'm his teammate.

I will nevertheless vote my conscience. Turnip Head again.

Why do you sound so defeated, Epi? I think I'm the only person who's voiced any suspicion of you so far, and SVS and Bea said they think you and I are having a civ vs civ tiff. You've had no problem arguing with me about other things in the game; don't you want to argue for your own life as well? Besides, if BWT comes back bad, it stands to reason that CBK is next in line. You've got some time to sort out your defenses (or NK me!).

The only thing I can say is that I hope there's more discussion tomorrow, after basically three straight lynches where the only people doing the majority of the talking were you, me, and whoever happened to be up for the lynch that day. I look forward to hashing this all out.

You are a poor reader of tone, my dear root. I don't sound defeated at all. I was merely paraphrasing what you said.

Well if it makes you feel any better, you're not great at reading my tone, either. :P