The Syndicate

indiglo wrote:

Kate wrote: Wrong. The reason I wanted to have Dom as a back up is because I know for a fact there was vote manipulation going on so much so that I thought we wouldn't be able to get enough votes to lynch snow dog. The only person I thought was baddie enough to have as a back up was Dom. Btw, LT, are you affected in any way other than the way you talk? If so, quote this. And if so, you know exactly what I mean in this post. ...assuming its the same effect I had.

Also indi, I know this is wifom, but you really want my role alive. Really. Don't you have a clue who I am yet?

No. I don't know who you are yet.

But my other thought is similar to Timmer's. That you're Horde and were trying to set up the lynch so it would be close enough that your manipulation powers could push the lynch over the edge to Dom rather than SnowDog. Is that any closer?

indiglo wrote:LT, yes I see that. But let's continue mulling it over, and let's see what Kate has to say about it.


Obvious MoPi is obvious. That was seen from about a mile away.

Still luff you though.

Kate wrote:

indiglo wrote:LT, yes I see that. But let's continue mulling it over, and let's see what Kate has to say about it.


Obvious MoPi is obvious. That was seen from about a mile away.

Still luff you though.

Indi, think about why I may have been the first to vote snow dog. I'd vote him again today, too, if he was on the poll.

And I thought you liked me...

indiglo wrote:Kate why were you frustrated last lynch? And what were you fighting for?

Also, being hexed doesn't make you a civ.

indiglo wrote:Kate, who are looking at more closely today for a lynch? And what's your take on lynching MoPi today? I already shared my thoughts about that, but would like to hear what you have to say about my theory or if you have one of your own?

indiglo wrote:Makes sense to me!

There's something else I wanted to mention that has not been sitting right with me. That's how Kate wanted to split the votes between MoPi and Dom last lynch. Now at first, it made perfect sense to me, but then LT pointed out that voting for SM people does something good for them. So that made it very suspect - Kate is not a dumb player to overlook such a fact. And she hasn't addressed that issue since being "sane" either.

I'd rather try to take out Modulok today, but let's file that away for future reference because Dom hasn't visited the site since March 8 - making him an inactive SM dude. I'd prefer to get the remaining active SM member rather than take him out (since he isn't even playing). And that looks like Kate to me, though I'm open to other theories.

indiglo wrote:

Kate wrote:

timmer wrote:Alex Alex on Modulak, no need to waste, protection is provided.

Don't waste a lynch on Alex? He is protected?

Here's a theory I came up with. Now I don't know if I'm right, and I don't know if Timmer is saying something similar - but I might as well share the theory to get it out there.

I'm actually wondering if MoPi didn't do some of this "attention calling" on purpose. I believe neither he nor Snow Dog (obviously) are Modulok. Grizzlor's power was not all that alarming, and my guess is MoPi's isn't either. (Which is why he is bating someone into blocking him, so the better powers go through.) Now, he has said he fully expects to get lynched tomorrow. This makes me think he is "sacrificing himself" for the team. The longer Modulok stays alive, the more powerful he gets. So if Horde can stave off any suspicion of Modulok for a couple more days it's good for them, even if they lose a couple members in the process.

I posit that we look for someone with Horde connections besides MoPi tomorrow. If we can't find someone, obviously we know MoPi is, but I would really prefer to find another Horde member who might actually have a chance of being Modulok. Also it is worth considering that they have some sort of lynch protection power - in which case they'll likely use it on MoPi tonight so that we can't lynch him tomorrow (perhaps as Timmer indicated).

And obviously Horde was planning some lynch manipulation this past lynch, so I think ALL CIVS need to be very careful tomorrow with the lynch and we need to plan it carefully before we start voting. That way we will be more likely to lynch who we want to lynch.


Timmer, if you agree with some or all of this theory, just quote this post the next time you post and say anything. If you disagree, do NOT quote this post the next time you post.

Elohcin wrote:Sorry I haven't been around for a couple days. It is difficult to get the computer on the weekends.

reywaS wrote:I have no idea what to think of MP...I mean, it's obvious that he's bad, but I don't know what to think about trying to lynch him today. It could be that he wants us to lynch him because he knows it will fail. It could also be that he wants us to not lynch him and is playing up the WIFOM. I'm thinking we should not lynch him today and do it tomorrow. From what Ive read, SE would be a good lynch choice for today....maybe split the vote between the two of them and make sure SE has a few more votes than MP?

I'm sorry for being so absent the last several days. I've been kind of depressed and haven't felt like mafia.

Elohcin wrote:Sorry I haven't been around for a couple days. It is difficult to get the computer on the weekends.

I don't think we should lynch MP today. There are many theories as to why, so far - that he is protecting someone else or wants us to think so, that he is protected, that he is sacrificing himself...

No matter which (if any) is true, MP has too much confidence in himself right now. I think it points to him being protected from this lynch. I say we leave him alone for the time being and lynch him when he is not expecting it so much.

AceofSpaces wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Sorry I haven't been around for a couple days. It is difficult to get the computer on the weekends.

I don't think we should lynch MP today. There are many theories as to why, so far - that he is protecting someone else or wants us to think so, that he is protected, that he is sacrificing himself...

No matter which (if any) is true, MP has too much confidence in himself right now. I think it points to him being protected from this lynch. I say we leave him alone for the time being and lynch him when he is not expecting it so much.

I can't speak for MP's playing style, but what I've read from him reminds me a lot of a recent game I played over on Revolution Mafia. In that game, I basically had to bluff my way out of being lynched by making people think I wanted to be lynched. That is the way MP is reading to me right now.

Elohcin wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Sorry I haven't been around for a couple days. It is difficult to get the computer on the weekends.

I don't think we should lynch MP today. There are many theories as to why, so far - that he is protecting someone else or wants us to think so, that he is protected, that he is sacrificing himself...

No matter which (if any) is true, MP has too much confidence in himself right now. I think it points to him being protected from this lynch. I say we leave him alone for the time being and lynch him when he is not expecting it so much.

I can't speak for MP's playing style, but what I've read from him reminds me a lot of a recent game I played over on Revolution Mafia. In that game, I basically had to bluff my way out of being lynched by making people think I wanted to be lynched. That is the way MP is reading to me right now.

I don't think we need to take any chances. I really think we ought to look somewhere else for this specific lynch (maybe Spaghetti as others are saying) and consider MP next time.

juliets wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Sorry I haven't been around for a couple days. It is difficult to get the computer on the weekends.

I don't think we should lynch MP today. There are many theories as to why, so far - that he is protecting someone else or wants us to think so, that he is protected, that he is sacrificing himself...

No matter which (if any) is true, MP has too much confidence in himself right now. I think it points to him being protected from this lynch. I say we leave him alone for the time being and lynch him when he is not expecting it so much.

I can't speak for MP's playing style, but what I've read from him reminds me a lot of a recent game I played over on Revolution Mafia. In that game, I basically had to bluff my way out of being lynched by making people think I wanted to be lynched. That is the way MP is reading to me right now.

I don't think we need to take any chances. I really think we ought to look somewhere else for this specific lynch (maybe Spaghetti as others are saying) and consider MP next time.

Elohcin, what kind of protection do you think he has? I'm trying to work through if he is protected from this lynch why he wouldn't be protected from a lynch the next day period? I'm still on my first cup of coffee so I may be missing something obvious.

indiglo wrote: As for the idea of splitting votes between 2 players - I know we did that last time, but I'll say now I don't support that idea really. So far, I don't think the person lynched instead of the one with the most votes has been the person with the next most votes. I would suggest instead perhaps just deciding who to lynch and piling all our votes (or as many votes as we have available to us) on that person. I got the feeling (when MoPi said he had "all the numbers worked out") that maybe their power is more extra lynch votes or something like that, that they have to send in or use strategically. I could be way off base here though.

indiglo wrote:Well, I really agree with the overall consensus here: MoPi or Spaghetti.

I'm going to do some rereading today, in the time before the poll ends. I could really see MoPi doing that as a bluff to not get lynched... or because they used a protection on him.

As for the idea of splitting votes between 2 players - I know we did that last time, but I'll say now I don't support that idea really. So far, I don't think the person lynched instead of the one with the most votes has been the person with the next most votes. I would suggest instead perhaps just deciding who to lynch and piling all our votes (or as many votes as we have available to us) on that person. I got the feeling (when MoPi said he had "all the numbers worked out") that maybe their power is more extra lynch votes or something like that, that they have to send in or use strategically. I could be way off base here though.

Kate wrote: Or that someone has negative votes attached to their vote, just another way to look at it...

Elohcin wrote:I think I am going to go ahead and get this thing started. Voting Spaghetti!

indiglo wrote:@ Kate - Yes, I believe that is exactly the question. Is MoPi Modulok or not? But at the same time, I was thinking something else:

what if Modulok is one of the absentee players? In that case, MoPi (or whatever other active players are left on the team) could just be sending in the PMs for the entire team while the powerful player is absent. In that case, the question would be "Who are the active Horde members?" If Modulok is absentee and we take out the active player on the team... the team is still rendered virtually harmless. (This is the same reasoning that makes me want to get whoever is still left on SM with the absent Dom, too.)

Just a thought, or another angle from which to view our choice.

Kate wrote:

indiglo wrote:@ Kate - Yes, I believe that is exactly the question. Is MoPi Modulok or not? But at the same time, I was thinking something else:

what if Modulok is one of the absentee players? In that case, MoPi (or whatever other active players are left on the team) could just be sending in the PMs for the entire team while the powerful player is absent. In that case, the question would be "Who are the active Horde members?" If Modulok is absentee and we take out the active player on the team... the team is still rendered virtually harmless. (This is the same reasoning that makes me want to get whoever is still left on SM with the absent Dom, too.)

Just a thought, or another angle from which to view our choice.

Well, I am hoping that is not the case. Epignosis said he would likely not modkill due to inactivity. I would think that, having made that decision, he wouldn't allow others to use their power. That seems unfair. I would think it would either be a modkill for not showing OR sacrifice the power for not showing up. It seems overkill to allow both.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Kate wrote:

indiglo wrote:@ Kate - Yes, I believe that is exactly the question. Is MoPi Modulok or not? But at the same time, I was thinking something else:

what if Modulok is one of the absentee players? In that case, MoPi (or whatever other active players are left on the team) could just be sending in the PMs for the entire team while the powerful player is absent. In that case, the question would be "Who are the active Horde members?" If Modulok is absentee and we take out the active player on the team... the team is still rendered virtually harmless. (This is the same reasoning that makes me want to get whoever is still left on SM with the absent Dom, too.)

Just a thought, or another angle from which to view our choice.

Well, I am hoping that is not the case. Epignosis said he would likely not modkill due to inactivity. I would think that, having made that decision, he wouldn't allow others to use their power. That seems unfair. I would think it would either be a modkill for not showing OR sacrifice the power for not showing up. It seems overkill to allow both.

How is that unfair? Having to deal with someone who doesn't show up at all, and therefore you can't utilize their voting power, is frustrating.

Besides, if you really want to know, why don't you ask him?

AceofSpaces wrote:Can someone clarify for me why Spaghetti would be a good option?

LittleTiger wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:Can someone clarify for me why Spaghetti would be a good option?

Kate wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Kate wrote:

indiglo wrote:@ Kate - Yes, I believe that is exactly the question. Is MoPi Modulok or not? But at the same time, I was thinking something else:

what if Modulok is one of the absentee players? In that case, MoPi (or whatever other active players are left on the team) could just be sending in the PMs for the entire team while the powerful player is absent. In that case, the question would be "Who are the active Horde members?" If Modulok is absentee and we take out the active player on the team... the team is still rendered virtually harmless. (This is the same reasoning that makes me want to get whoever is still left on SM with the absent Dom, too.)

Just a thought, or another angle from which to view our choice.

Well, I am hoping that is not the case. Epignosis said he would likely not modkill due to inactivity. I would think that, having made that decision, he wouldn't allow others to use their power. That seems unfair. I would think it would either be a modkill for not showing OR sacrifice the power for not showing up. It seems overkill to allow both.

How is that unfair? Having to deal with someone who doesn't show up at all, and therefore you can't utilize their voting power, is frustrating.

Besides, if you really want to know, why don't you ask him?

Why don't you just tell me, that would be the easiest. So are you admitting there are no-shows on your team? Cuz it looks like you are.

I am sure it is frustrating, but its also frustrating to have to try to ferret out baddies who are not posting for days on end, but it is also doubly frustrating to be effected by their powers when they can't even bother to show up.

juliets wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I think I am going to go ahead and get this thing started. Voting Spaghetti!

wait, i thought we were going to pile our votes onto one person - did we decide that one person was SE? I thought we were still discussing...this makes me just a bit nervous

MovingPictures07 wrote:I am voting SE.

Flyin' High wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:Can someone clarify for me why Spaghetti would be a good option?

My main issue is how he showed up in the last lynch, voted DF who was only being mentioned by MP and basically ignored the primary discussion on Dom versus Snow Dog.

There are other reasons, but that one stood out glaringly to me as something a civvie wouldn't do.

*linki with Kate* That too.

Elohcin wrote:

juliets wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I think I am going to go ahead and get this thing started. Voting Spaghetti!

wait, i thought we were going to pile our votes onto one person - did we decide that one person was SE? I thought we were still discussing...this makes me just a bit nervous

I thought we had decided it should be between Spaghetti and MP. But I am set on not voting MP this lynch. I want him lynched alright, but I really think he is protected for right now.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I am voting SE.

You are so bad. You saw an opportunity to make me look bad and took it. Shame on you

Elohcin wrote:

juliets wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I think I am going to go ahead and get this thing started. Voting Spaghetti!

wait, i thought we were going to pile our votes onto one person - did we decide that one person was SE? I thought we were still discussing...this makes me just a bit nervous

I thought we had decided it should be between Spaghetti and MP. But I am set on not voting MP this lynch. I want him lynched alright, but I really think he is protected for right now.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I am voting SE.

You are so bad. You saw an opportunity to make me look bad and took it. Shame on you

indiglo wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

juliets wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I think I am going to go ahead and get this thing started. Voting Spaghetti!

wait, i thought we were going to pile our votes onto one person - did we decide that one person was SE? I thought we were still discussing...this makes me just a bit nervous

I thought we had decided it should be between Spaghetti and MP. But I am set on not voting MP this lynch. I want him lynched alright, but I really think he is protected for right now.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I am voting SE.

You are so bad. You saw an opportunity to make me look bad and took it. Shame on you

But you just agreed with me that we likely should NOT split the vote between 2 people this go 'round? Now you're saying you want to split it between MoPi and Spaghetti?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Kate wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Kate wrote:

indiglo wrote:@ Kate - Yes, I believe that is exactly the question. Is MoPi Modulok or not? But at the same time, I was thinking something else:

what if Modulok is one of the absentee players? In that case, MoPi (or whatever other active players are left on the team) could just be sending in the PMs for the entire team while the powerful player is absent. In that case, the question would be "Who are the active Horde members?" If Modulok is absentee and we take out the active player on the team... the team is still rendered virtually harmless. (This is the same reasoning that makes me want to get whoever is still left on SM with the absent Dom, too.)

Just a thought, or another angle from which to view our choice.

Well, I am hoping that is not the case. Epignosis said he would likely not modkill due to inactivity. I would think that, having made that decision, he wouldn't allow others to use their power. That seems unfair. I would think it would either be a modkill for not showing OR sacrifice the power for not showing up. It seems overkill to allow both.

How is that unfair? Having to deal with someone who doesn't show up at all, and therefore you can't utilize their voting power, is frustrating.

Besides, if you really want to know, why don't you ask him?

Why don't you just tell me, that would be the easiest. So are you admitting there are no-shows on your team? Cuz it looks like you are.

I am sure it is frustrating, but its also frustrating to have to try to ferret out baddies who are not posting for days on end, but it is also doubly frustrating to be effected by their powers when they can't even bother to show up.

I am not admitting anything.

You know what's also frustrating? Dealing with groups of civvies who have BTSC. In all due respect, I didn't mean to frustrate you with my response, but are you really going to complain? If you think I have a no-show on my team, then vote them off. It's that simple.