The Syndicate

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:35 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:29 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:26 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:16 pm In the name of the Jay, I charge you to make effort cases. In the name of the Dunya, I charge you to be creepily accurate. In the name of the Epi, I charge you to irritate the scum into failure. Arise, Luffy of Naruto Forums, a civ of the S6 Scrimmage.

I knew it was DDL you'd have investigated. Damnit.

You knew he would have done it and he said he had a town peek. So...

And why are you upset about this?

Because it gives more support in DDL being town and I severely disagree on DDL being town.

It literally clears DDL unless Mac is lying (and therefore almost certainly scum).

I know. Because of that, I'm not happy as I want DDL to be scum.

Gotta get a new salad now

How about DDL, Mac, and RDW?

(I'm joking btw)

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:35 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:32 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:16 pm In the name of the Jay, I charge you to make effort cases. In the name of the Dunya, I charge you to be creepily accurate. In the name of the Epi, I charge you to irritate the scum into failure. Arise, Luffy of Naruto Forums, a civ of the S6 Scrimmage.

I trust this. Narrows my POE quite nicely.

My POE just got shot now I have to do a hard reconsider

What's POE?

POE is 'process of elimination'.

When a townie starts the game, they think anyone could be scum. As they townread people, they eliminate them from consideration, and end up with a POE: a shorter list of people who could be scum.

It's like a list of scumreads, but it focuses on getting rid of townreads more than putting on scumreads.

People now outside of POE:
JJJ, Owner, Mac, DDL

In POE
RDW
Mp7
Jessie
Nutella
Dragomir
Speed


Half of my poe list is fucking inactives that BLOWS

I could move JJJ into it but I dont think scum gets that angry at DDL for something so lame

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:38 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:35 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:32 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:16 pm In the name of the Jay, I charge you to make effort cases. In the name of the Dunya, I charge you to be creepily accurate. In the name of the Epi, I charge you to irritate the scum into failure. Arise, Luffy of Naruto Forums, a civ of the S6 Scrimmage.

I trust this. Narrows my POE quite nicely.

My POE just got shot now I have to do a hard reconsider

What's POE?

POE is 'process of elimination'.

When a townie starts the game, they think anyone could be scum. As they townread people, they eliminate them from consideration, and end up with a POE: a shorter list of people who could be scum.

It's like a list of scumreads, but it focuses on getting rid of townreads more than putting on scumreads.

I would say that’s wrong but at this point I really am at “who do I townread the most vs. the less”

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:38 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:35 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:32 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:16 pm In the name of the Jay, I charge you to make effort cases. In the name of the Dunya, I charge you to be creepily accurate. In the name of the Epi, I charge you to irritate the scum into failure. Arise, Luffy of Naruto Forums, a civ of the S6 Scrimmage.

I trust this. Narrows my POE quite nicely.

My POE just got shot now I have to do a hard reconsider

What's POE?

POE is 'process of elimination'.

When a townie starts the game, they think anyone could be scum. As they townread people, they eliminate them from consideration, and end up with a POE: a shorter list of people who could be scum.

It's like a list of scumreads, but it focuses on getting rid of townreads more than putting on scumreads.

Ah, I see. Thanks.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:36 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:35 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:29 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:26 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:25 pm
I knew it was DDL you'd have investigated. Damnit.

You knew he would have done it and he said he had a town peek. So...

And why are you upset about this?

Because it gives more support in DDL being town and I severely disagree on DDL being town.

It literally clears DDL unless Mac is lying (and therefore almost certainly scum).

I know. Because of that, I'm not happy as I want DDL to be scum.

Gotta get a new salad now

How about DDL, Mac, and RDW?

(I'm joking btw)

It’s Owner, RDW, Jessie now isnt it

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:40 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:36 pm

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:35 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:33 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:29 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:26 pm

You knew he would have done it and he said he had a town peek. So...

And why are you upset about this?

Because it gives more support in DDL being town and I severely disagree on DDL being town.

It literally clears DDL unless Mac is lying (and therefore almost certainly scum).

I know. Because of that, I'm not happy as I want DDL to be scum.

Gotta get a new salad now

How about DDL, Mac, and RDW?

(I'm joking btw)

It’s Owner, RDW, Jessie now isnt it

Bingo.

I go work now. Will be in and out.

Yeah idk Dragomir I really dont see Owner as scum because she tracked me to JJJ when there was no kill and tried to lynch me based off that and knowing Gemma had a protection on him. That read pretty genuinely townie

Oh ALSO re: Mac ability

It has the ninja modifier so it goes first in action resolution

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:43 pm Yeah idk Dragomir I really dont see Owner as scum because she tracked me to JJJ when there was no kill and tried to lynch me based off that and knowing Gemma had a protection on him. That read pretty genuinely townie

That may read townie but other stuff reads scum so...

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 6:07 pm Oh ALSO re: Mac ability

It has the ninja modifier so it goes first in action resolution

"Ninja: Kills performed with Ninja cannot be detected (serves no purpose if player is town)"

Basically if scum get a cop, it's useless, so the setup gives the player an ninja to use.

There are four roles that could have roleblocked/jailkept Lux on N3.

Come to think of it Mac could be the scum ninja/cop and be claiming a town check on DDL when there was no such thing, because as scum he wouldn't actually use the ability and therefore wouldn't have known he was blocked.

Doing it for the credit.

I'd tinfoil this more than tinfoiling DDL/Mac w/w.

I don't think so. If I was scum I would have still used the action even if I intended to gambit with it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 6:40 pm I don't think so. If I was scum I would have still used the action even if I intended to gambit with it.

So that you could be tracked/blocked/etc.

It was just a thought. It looks like you do still get the ability, even if scum. The OP says there are mafia-only abilities, not no town-only ones. (So ninja only goes to mafia, but cop goes to both.)

I believe you.

Hold up. I don't understand the point in Mac revealing that he got inno on DDL. DDL was literally someone who everybody town read but me. That shit didn't help. So your entire claim brung like no purpose [mention]MacDougall[/mention] unless I'm missing something.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 6:58 pm Hold up. I don't understand the point in Mac revealing that he got inno on DDL. DDL was literally someone who everybody town read but me. That shit didn't help. So your entire claim brung like no purpose @MacDougall unless I'm missing something.

I didn't town read him.

All you did was setup yourself to be killed N5 Mac and if scum is ballsy enough then N4(N2 and N4 doc is still lurking so maybe they won't do it.)

Also why is Nutella ignoring me? Every time I quote her post to respond back to what I say, she doesn't reply to any of them and build an interaction with. Especially when I made posts that have shut down some of her points against me, at least contradict them in some way. She just ignored them. I only see a scum perspective on why she'd do that.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:03 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 6:58 pm Hold up. I don't understand the point in Mac revealing that he got inno on DDL. DDL was literally someone who everybody town read but me. That shit didn't help. So your entire claim brung like no purpose @MacDougall unless I'm missing something.

I didn't town read him.

Ok, everybody besides you and me. The point is, DDL is no danger of being lynched or having a wagon form on him anyhow.

The shit don't add up.

What's up with these low vote wagons here man? Need some more voters up in here. [mention]speedchuck[/mention] who do you want to lynch?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:09 pm What's up with these low vote wagons here man? Need some more voters up in here. @speedchuck who do you want to lynch?

[VOTE: RDW2] aubergine

I'm still weighing options.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:17 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:09 pm What's up with these low vote wagons here man? Need some more voters up in here. @speedchuck who do you want to lynch?

[VOTE: RDW2] aubergine

I'm still weighing options.

What do you think about what I said about Mac and Nut?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:18 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:17 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:09 pm What's up with these low vote wagons here man? Need some more voters up in here. @speedchuck who do you want to lynch?

[VOTE: RDW2] aubergine

I'm still weighing options.

What do you think about what I said about Mac and Nut?

Mac claiming makes perfect sense. It solidifies DDL and Mac into the core without sacrificing any future checks... because he has none.

Nutella I'm open to listing about. Conversation with her hasn't been very open. But at least for a while, I don't think she's been here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:22 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:18 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:17 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:09 pm What's up with these low vote wagons here man? Need some more voters up in here. @speedchuck who do you want to lynch?

[VOTE: RDW2] aubergine

I'm still weighing options.

What do you think about what I said about Mac and Nut?

Mac claiming makes perfect sense. It solidifies DDL and Mac into the core without sacrificing any future checks... because he has none.

Solidifying them into the core for what reason? DDL is only being scum read by two ppl, who tf will check him? Me or you when nobody knows if we are an invest or not? It makes no sense to put somebody in the core who was already in the core. Mac would out himself so he doesn't get checked? That's kinda dumb but ok.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:26 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:22 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:18 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:17 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:09 pm What's up with these low vote wagons here man? Need some more voters up in here. @speedchuck who do you want to lynch?

[VOTE: RDW2] aubergine

I'm still weighing options.

What do you think about what I said about Mac and Nut?

Mac claiming makes perfect sense. It solidifies DDL and Mac into the core without sacrificing any future checks... because he has none.

Solidifying them into the core for what reason? DDL is only being scum read by two ppl, who tf will check him? Me or you when nobody knows if we are an invest or not? It makes no sense to put somebody in the core who was already in the core. Mac would out himself so he doesn't get checked? That's kinda dumb but ok.

Is your stance that Mac should not have given town information to use, and possibly died eventually without giving us this knowledge?

Because I'm sitting here like what

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:38 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:26 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:22 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:18 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:17 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:09 pm What's up with these low vote wagons here man? Need some more voters up in here. @speedchuck who do you want to lynch?

[VOTE: RDW2] aubergine

I'm still weighing options.

What do you think about what I said about Mac and Nut?

Mac claiming makes perfect sense. It solidifies DDL and Mac into the core without sacrificing any future checks... because he has none.

Solidifying them into the core for what reason? DDL is only being scum read by two ppl, who tf will check him? Me or you when nobody knows if we are an invest or not? It makes no sense to put somebody in the core who was already in the core. Mac would out himself so he doesn't get checked? That's kinda dumb but ok.

Is your stance that Mac should not have given town information to use, and possibly died eventually without giving us this knowledge?

Because I'm sitting here like what

With logic like that a cop should claim D1 every game no? I find it unbelievable that scum would view Mac as someone to kill when he was being suspected several times and could be someone to mislynch. Mac is now in greater threat of dying than when he was hidden and unclaimed.

Oh wait, cop can only use his ability on one night the entire game so he's not a threat to be killed no more by scum. I just read that.

I don't like this setup.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:46 pm

What's the image?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 6:58 pm Hold up. I don't understand the point in Mac revealing that he got inno on DDL. DDL was literally someone who everybody town read but me. That shit didn't help. So your entire claim brung like no purpose @MacDougall unless I'm missing something.

This is a person who has become POE clamped and is starting to get desperate.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:46 pm

What's the image?

A wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:49 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 6:58 pm Hold up. I don't understand the point in Mac revealing that he got inno on DDL. DDL was literally someone who everybody town read but me. That shit didn't help. So your entire claim brung like no purpose @MacDougall unless I'm missing something.

This is a person who has become POE clamped and is starting to get desperate.

Disagree.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:49 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 6:58 pm Hold up. I don't understand the point in Mac revealing that he got inno on DDL. DDL was literally someone who everybody town read but me. That shit didn't help. So your entire claim brung like no purpose @MacDougall unless I'm missing something.

This is a person who has become POE clamped and is starting to get desperate.

Disagree.

I disagree.

Sorry drago, let me look for what you wanted me to respond to

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:03 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:49 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 6:58 pm Hold up. I don't understand the point in Mac revealing that he got inno on DDL. DDL was literally someone who everybody town read but me. That shit didn't help. So your entire claim brung like no purpose @MacDougall unless I'm missing something.

This is a person who has become POE clamped and is starting to get desperate.

Disagree.

I disagree.

I disagree harder.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:04 pm Sorry drago, let me look for what you wanted me to respond to

Go look at your alerts and check out all the ones that say "quoted by Dragomir in:".

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 11:33 pmewhen he did much the same thing both pre- and post facto. Yeaaah, hypocrisy yada yada, civilians have double standards sometimes, I know, but I still really don't like it -- he's too eager to jump on owner. I grant her post was weird but drago made it into a whole thing that doesn't look natural coming from him.

k this is what i've got for now, will gather speed stuff next but probably eating first

Oh this is fucking bullshit. Excuse me here but I am triggered by this. BY NO MEANS did I ever do the same thing that I called out Owner for! I literally said my brag post wasn't telling town that they shouldn't have lynched Gemma but just me bragging and I explained why to you! You haven't responded to it yet and now you're ignoring it over here acting like I'm being a hypocrite when it's not the case. Why is you lying to make me look bad?

Maybe from your perspective it wasn't comparable but from mine it was very similar, with the caveat that owner only did it after the flip iirc.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 4:22 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 1:11 pm He's made a big deal of ddl being clearly his preferred lynch, but whenever there's been an opportunity to put pressure on owner he's jumped onto her and says he'd be okay with lynching her, and same to rdw and jess. He's clearly focused on ddl, but he's also clearly keeping his options open.

[VOTE: dragomir] aubergine

What in Jesus name is wrong with this? I have my scum reads. I want to lynch one of them so of course I'm going to my options open to find a compromise in lynching one of my scum reads.

I get the concept of backup options. I specifically didn't like the way you took every opportunity to go after owner and rdw, even after this post with the thing about wanting to "finalize" a lynch on rdw felt opportunistic/like you have been agreeable on the easy targets when you could have been pushing harder for your top suspect (which is kind of moot at this point lol, but at the time).


Was there anything else

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:25 pm Buddy buddy buddy

Lmao yeah that and his reaction to your DDL peek, I'm happy keeping my vote on him

What's wrong with it? And also what buddying did I do?

You were buddying lux right then lol. And I didn't like how disappointed-but-kind-of-not-really-surprised you seemed to be at Mac's peek at first, then you pretty quickly came back with a tinfoil theory about ddl and Mac being w/w to justify a continuation of your suspicion

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:12 pm I get the concept of backup options. I specifically didn't like the way you took every opportunity to go after owner and rdw, even after this post with the thing about wanting to "finalize" a lynch on rdw felt opportunistic/like you have been agreeable on the easy targets when you could have been pushing harder for your top suspect (which is kind of moot at this point lol, but at the time).


Was there anything else

Backup options is the point. If the main option ain't going too well then I got somebody else I can compromise for a lynch. I wouldn't really say I've been going after easy targets when my first 2 options(DDL and Owner) nobody agrees with, and RDW I've been like the only person gunning for his lynch. Only this DP have ppl actually expressed wanting to lynch him.

I don't think you quite understand the situation with DDL and I. I've been wanting him dead ever since D1, nobody agrees(except for Mac, but he switched ships).

If Mac also suspected DDL then why do you think it was weird that he copped him?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:15 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:25 pm Buddy buddy buddy

Lmao yeah that and his reaction to your DDL peek, I'm happy keeping my vote on him

What's wrong with it? And also what buddying did I do?

You were buddying lux right then lol. And I didn't like how disappointed-but-kind-of-not-really-surprised you seemed to be at Mac's peek at first, then you pretty quickly came back with a tinfoil theory about ddl and Mac being w/w to justify a continuation of your suspicion

Eh, it's buddying I guess but not really scummy imo. I've had an itch in the back of my head that DDL was actually town and I was going on the wrong path but I've been ignoring. So that's why there's the lack of surprised.

That tinfoil was just me joking as I've been tunneling for so long and I keep tunneling even with a cop confirmation. Thought it'd be funny.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:21 pm If Mac also suspected DDL then why do you think it was weird that he copped him?

I didn't think it was weird he copped him. It was weird that he outed himself.

Hmmm ok

Was it really a joke though

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:21 pm If Mac also suspected DDL then why do you think it was weird that he copped him?

I didn't think it was weird he copped him. It was weird that he outed himself.

If I didn't out myself I would have been an obvious kill and my green peek goes to the grave with me so how bout no.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:27 pm Hmmm ok

Was it really a joke though

Yes.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:27 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:25 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 8:21 pm If Mac also suspected DDL then why do you think it was weird that he copped him?

I didn't think it was weird he copped him. It was weird that he outed himself.

If I didn't out myself I would have been an obvious kill and my green peek goes to the grave with me so how bout no.

Did you not read where I said that I find it unbelievable that you would be killed?

Mac you'd be an obv kill after you stated you had a green check before you said who it was, I think he's wondering why you said you were cop and that you had a green check in the first place.