Re: Halvøsen Ridge [DAY 2]
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:56 am
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
Do you disagree/agree? (this might have been already asked and answered) If you agree same questionNateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:18 amI said this in more words in response to Alison, but people keep agreeing with my pushes, and it leaves me oddly directionless.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:16 am [VOTE: NateTheLesser] aubergine
Honestly don't feel like you care about the current gamestate, why's that?
You're disquieted because you think there's a wolf in Alison/Lucy/Jay? Why those 3?
Already asked and answered by Alison nice mind meldJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:04 am Something I notice as I finish my interactions:
@Dyslexicon, when you entered the game and found some "cringe" votes on you from Ender and Rondo, you pursued the former as a suspect and didn't do much with the latter.
@RondoDimBuckle, you voted for basically everyone on Day 1, and ended the day as the lone vote on Dizzy:
Given the wagons of the time and your own voting behavior, it is difficult to take much meaning from this. Please, both of you, tell me what you think of the other. Dizzy, what's up with Rondo. Rondo, what's up with Dizzy.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:46 pm[VOTE: Dizzy ] aubergineDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:43 pmNo, that would be IMPOSSIBLE!
I simply MUST refuse!
And also, no idea, haven't read their post, also don't care, BAIIIIi
Yeah Ender knows if he legit tries to sus me day 1 I will tunnel him. We tend to avoid each other and let other people solve from what I have found and I feel us settling into that this game. Ender might have his reads of me but he hasnt shared them yet and he knows I am slightly sus of him. Which is... normalJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:18 am One thing that becomes evident as I continue to dig is that Ender was more liberal with his vote on Day 1 than anyone short of Rondo. Nate's breakdown makes that really easy to follow. This may lend credence to Seanzie's previous gripes about separation from Wilgy, because regardless of one's interpretation of his Wilgy vote -- he did the same for numerous others (e.g., fingersplints and falcon). It's a minor point for a single interaction, but it's one I will concede.
depends, irl? Yes. Forum? No. Metaphysically? Crombompulous tbhJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:37 am @RondoDimBuckle, @EnderWiggin -- I get the impression you know each other quite well. Have you been on a mafia team together before?
tyJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:38 amYellow just means I'm not currently willing to dissociate two players as I world-build. It'll be clearer when I post the chart.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:36 amYellow box?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:18 am Boquise and Rondo have a ton of interactions, but none of it strikes me as dissociated. I bring this up because another set of eyes might help, particularly from anyone that is more familiar with either Boq or Rondo than I am. For now it's a yellow box on the chart.
It might just be how I was reading it but it was Seanzie going at you and you being slightly annoyed he was taking it so seriously when you're just putting content out there. Ill be honest I kinda skimmed it because I was at work at the time. It was just a general gut call in response to what I saw.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:53 amWhy is that T/TRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:49 amlol I love this pedantic fight over definitions. T/T?Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:24 pmI do not interpret someone saying someone else is socially cleared as absolute, but I think the vast majority of people use that as something a good step stronger than "town-indicative" or "town lean", and I'd guess you do to.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:18 pmLanguage. The modifier "solid" implies "good, but not absolute" -- if you interpret "clear" as absolute, that isn't my meaning. It's lingo that I have dragged from fucken spec chat. "Town-indicative"Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:16 pm You want me to interpret your post with a softer word than "clear", and yet you used a stronger phrase, "solid clear".
I don't expect you to call everything null, but I do hope you weight posts/analyses based on how fallible they are, and I'm not sure I'm seeing that here.
Why did you remove the context to the post?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:05 amWhat does this mean?RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:01 am ok, mind melding with finger once is concerning, twice isI dont know
You literally just asked me about why I saw Seanzie as T/T she had the same thought and I dont like that someone I am voting is thinking the same way as I am, its hurting my confidence in the vote.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:01 amok, mind melding with finger once is concerning, twice isfingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:49 pmT/TSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:30 pmDo you have any thoughts on our alignments based on our little back and forth?fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:08 pmI like your guys little back and forth thereJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:18 pm I'm about to lose the rest of this evening to work, so I hope folks get engaged here. The game is kind of dead apart from my analysis and Sean hating it.![]()
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It’s important to not get to comfortable with town consensus, so while I don’t agree with your assessment of Jay but I really like where it’s coming fromI dont know
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:52 amI am low key hating that Finger and I mind meldfingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 2:08 pmI like your guys little back and forth thereJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:18 pm I'm about to lose the rest of this evening to work, so I hope folks get engaged here. The game is kind of dead apart from my analysis and Sean hating it.![]()
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I like Bo but its mostly because we are really kinda vibing with each other when he posts. I havent put more thought into the slot because I am more focused on the falcon/mac flip and that points me elsewhere
I dont remember putting out a read list? You might be confusing me with someone else?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:27 am @RondoDimBuckle, I am trying to follow the thread of your play. I see that you did post come consolidated reads of a sort here, and that is appreciated. Two questions:
1) How did you decide on the tiers or groupings of possible mafia in that post?
2) As you play right now and respond to a ton of posts, is that impacting your present view of the game? Does it impact this reads post?
Sorry you feel that way. I would say I try to create room for people like Mac (And when he gets his ass into gear Ender) to make reads. I am too new to Forum mafia at the moment to feel confident in any of my assessments. I am too used to in person Mafia where you can see people.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:07 amNot quite correct.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:04 am Something I notice as I finish my interactions:
@Dyslexicon, when you entered the game and found some "cringe" votes on you from Ender and Rondo, you pursued the former as a suspect and didn't do much with the latter.
Given the wagons of the time and your own voting behavior, it is difficult to take much meaning from this. Please, both of you, tell me what you think of the other. Dizzy, what's up with Rondo. Rondo, what's up with Dizzy.
My interest in Ender started when he town read me and didn't want to explain it. I don't even know if I'd call it "pursue him as a suspect", but that's semantics.
Both their votes was, as I said, cringe. I didn't pursue any from just that.
I think Ender claims the vote to be pressure which may or may not have contributed to him reading me in his mind. I'm a bit "Press X to doubt" on that, because it seems thin. But I also don't know. Ender could be town and using meta that is thin and shaky.
Rondo's vote was apparently because I didn't answer his questions. Which is a very silly reason, when I clearly hadn't been around.
I've played once with Rondo before. And I don't expect to be following his thoughts or reasoning, as he seems very random. In fact, I felt quite annoyed by his play in that one game. Which one of the reasons I haven't used my time to read any of his posts. So I don't know what's up with Rondo.
See if Mac was alive he would tell you that I am very readable. I believe I just answered your question.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:34 am Rondo's posts are chaos.
I struggle to find concordant processes or threads of thinking to interpret; everything is kaleidoscopic and inscrutable. @RondoDimBuckle you're the only one that can help me to change that, unless anyone else here knows you well and is willing to talk about it (Hi, EnderWiggin). As it stands, I don't think I town read this slot. While the immense activity is great, it's also chaos.
Under instruction from my lawyerfingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 7:36 am 4 votes lol
Honestly couldn’t have picked a worse day to take the vote lead
I almost want to lament the real life reasons behind my absence just to annoy Rondo
I’ll see what I can do
My job here is done.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:13 amYou have reads this game?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:17 pm Fingers is a fine wagon.
I might need to revisit it because two of my townreads independantly came to a scumread there.
Here I thought you were impersonating Tuxedo Mask
Ender, Because he is the one I want to catch most as wolf so I will tinfoil him to oblivion. Being able to remove him as a threat and just shield his slot turns us into a powerful combo
Here I was thinking you wouldnt get the reference <3EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:28 amMy job here is done.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:13 amYou have reads this game?EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 8:17 pm Fingers is a fine wagon.
I might need to revisit it because two of my townreads independantly came to a scumread there.
Here I thought you were impersonating Tuxedo Mask
There's not a huge amount to talk about with Rondo. He has a lot of content you can probably read past and will do things just to poke buttons without believing in it a whit.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:34 am Rondo's posts are chaos.
I struggle to find concordant processes or threads of thinking to interpret; everything is kaleidoscopic and inscrutable. @RondoDimBuckle you're the only one that can help me to change that, unless anyone else here knows you well and is willing to talk about it (Hi, EnderWiggin). As it stands, I don't think I town read this slot. While the immense activity is great, it's also chaos.
That was a good gameEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:33 amThere's not a huge amount to talk about with Rondo. He has a lot of content you can probably read past and will do things just to poke buttons without believing in it a whit.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 6:34 am Rondo's posts are chaos.
I struggle to find concordant processes or threads of thinking to interpret; everything is kaleidoscopic and inscrutable. @RondoDimBuckle you're the only one that can help me to change that, unless anyone else here knows you well and is willing to talk about it (Hi, EnderWiggin). As it stands, I don't think I town read this slot. While the immense activity is great, it's also chaos.
I've only ever seen him wolf irl so I don't know how much of it works in forum mafia, but in irl he likes to make it difficult to link him and his partners together, especially when it comes to drawing attention to himself. He's saved partners purely by making himself more suspicious.
Because the sensation was "Wolves comfortable" which suggests a wolf in towncore and those 3 + Mac + Boq were that towncore. Mac is dead and I might be premature but I've loved Boq's content.NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:18 amI said this in more words in response to Alison, but people keep agreeing with my pushes, and it leaves me oddly directionless.EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 12:16 am [VOTE: NateTheLesser] aubergine
Honestly don't feel like you care about the current gamestate, why's that?
You're disquieted because you think there's a wolf in Alison/Lucy/Jay? Why those 3?
We know each other irl, we've played werewolf irl together and other social deduction games, and we have been a team together irl.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:37 am @RondoDimBuckle, @EnderWiggin -- I get the impression you know each other quite well. Have you been on a mafia team together before?
Rondo there's a link to the post they were referring to.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:14 amI dont remember putting out a read list? You might be confusing me with someone else?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:27 am @RondoDimBuckle, I am trying to follow the thread of your play. I see that you did post come consolidated reads of a sort here, and that is appreciated. Two questions:
1) How did you decide on the tiers or groupings of possible mafia in that post?
2) As you play right now and respond to a ton of posts, is that impacting your present view of the game? Does it impact this reads post?
Please quote the read post you mean and I will respondSpoiler: show
To add to that:EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 10:40 amWe know each other irl, we've played werewolf irl together and other social deduction games, and we have been a team together irl.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:37 am @RondoDimBuckle, @EnderWiggin -- I get the impression you know each other quite well. Have you been on a mafia team together before?
I recruited him into online play.
simple pattern recognition
Shit! town is learning! Need to change the algorithm!
on the contrary, they finds it scummy because i was rightBoquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:03 amWhy is it scummy to inaccurately describe another player's play in a game tbh?
Oh, contrary to what it may look like, I am not voting Lucy. I just haven't moved my vote.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 5:11 am I'm having a hell of a time interpreting lucy's interactions. With many players she has a ton of engagement, often mutual engagement, but it doesn't often lead somewhere concrete or observable. It all just kind of exists. Those that suspect lucy, particularly the current voters @Seanzie and @Marmot, would be well advised to see what team fits they like and don't like. I think plenty can fit, but with very little degree of confidence given her unique posture in the game.
To explain better, in this post:lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:18 amon the contrary, they finds it scummy because i was rightBoquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 3:03 amWhy is it scummy to inaccurately describe another player's play in a game tbh?
the highlighted part looked like Lucy might have meta on me that she shouldn't have, in particular I do tend to be on the more aggressive side (kinda trying to find a better balance where I can still push, while limiting the discomfort of the recipient as much as possible, so trying to be a bit less aggressive as time goes oh, but whatever) and push hard in certain directions, so Lucy specifically looking at that from me definitely caught my eye. However, I think it is nothing because of the second clause of that sentence suggesting she perhaps doesn't know me, or if she was a wolf with meta, she was cognizant of the fact that she should not have meta on me at that point, which makes the highlighted part a really weird thing for her to have actually said.lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 10:57 pm Seanzie isn't trying to make friends and all his messages have been game relevant and inquisitive. he hasn't pressed anyone at all yet which is something I want to see, dunno if he ever presses people to begin with though. and I don't see any possible partners for him
I said elsewhere that it means there were wolf votes for Falcon unless the team is exactly you 3, so examining those votes is a good place to look.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:55 amDoes this imply anything to you? Is the data helpful? What do you think about each of us individually? Any pairings?NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:20 pmYou/Rondo/Wilgy are the living players that didn't vote Falcon.Boquise wrote: ↑Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:35 amEveryone voted Falcon except I and Falcon iircAlison wrote: ↑Wed Jun 29, 2022 9:45 pm G-Man didn't save the final vote count which is annoying. iirc Falcon was a pretty large runaway wagon with low accountability; I'd expect mafia to either casually pile on or hide on some vanity wagon so they don't get their hands dirty. Biased more towards the former if they had a teammate in danger.
I've been mulling over what I think of Marmot there. It is quite possible, perhaps even likely he was flame fanning. I know why I stayed on you (I forgot to move my vote), but I was kind of surprised to see that he did as well. He also kinda just dipped once I backed off you in a way that I didn't like; like his only vested interest in the situation was to get me pushing you.
i like you alreadySeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:35 amI've been mulling over what I think of Marmot there. It is quite possible, perhaps even likely he was flame fanning. I know why I stayed on you (I forgot to move my vote), but I was kind of surprised to see that he did as well. He also kinda just dipped once I backed off you in a way that I didn't like; like his only vested interest in the situation was to get me pushing you.
By the time I saw this it had become clear that she must have been thinking of a read list that wasn't actually mine (or if it was mine she couldn't find it). I hope she finds the post she was thinking of because I'd like to know who she's scum leaning.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:58 am@NateTheLesser, I'd like to see you respond to this assertion in some capacity. I don't see it in your posts, but if it's there just point the way.
And this looks like a pocket attempt.lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:36 ami like you alreadySeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:35 amI've been mulling over what I think of Marmot there. It is quite possible, perhaps even likely he was flame fanning. I know why I stayed on you (I forgot to move my vote), but I was kind of surprised to see that he did as well. He also kinda just dipped once I backed off you in a way that I didn't like; like his only vested interest in the situation was to get me pushing you.
It's almost assuredly Ender's list, which shows up in your ISO because of a post you quoted.NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:37 amBy the time I saw this it had become clear that she must have been thinking of a read list that wasn't actually mine (or if it was mine she couldn't find it). I hope she finds the post she was thinking of because I'd like to know who she's scum leaning.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 4:58 am@NateTheLesser, I'd like to see you respond to this assertion in some capacity. I don't see it in your posts, but if it's there just point the way.
[VOTE: Marmot] aubergineEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:39 am I changed my mind.
I want this back.
[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
i wouldn’t be so blunt, and i wouldn’t try it with someone so circumspectSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:39 amAnd this looks like a pocket attempt.lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:36 ami like you alreadySeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:35 amI've been mulling over what I think of Marmot there. It is quite possible, perhaps even likely he was flame fanning. I know why I stayed on you (I forgot to move my vote), but I was kind of surprised to see that he did as well. He also kinda just dipped once I backed off you in a way that I didn't like; like his only vested interest in the situation was to get me pushing you.
[VOTE: Marmot] aubergineSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:40 am[VOTE: Marmot] aubergineEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:39 am I changed my mind.
I want this back.
[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
something something insert a gif boq would sendEnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:39 am I changed my mind.
I want this back.
[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
I don't know if I am as confident in your mafia abilities as you are. Nothing personal, but everyone makes mistakes.lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:40 ami wouldn’t be so blunt, and i wouldn’t try it with someone so circumspectSeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:39 amAnd this looks like a pocket attempt.lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:36 ami like you alreadySeanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:35 amI've been mulling over what I think of Marmot there. It is quite possible, perhaps even likely he was flame fanning. I know why I stayed on you (I forgot to move my vote), but I was kind of surprised to see that he did as well. He also kinda just dipped once I backed off you in a way that I didn't like; like his only vested interest in the situation was to get me pushing you.