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Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:25 pm
by Porscha
MacDougall wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:36 pm The reason I told Sabi earlier I wanted to chop Porscha was because I had specific reason to feel like they were paired. Rondo has had similar pings. They've both done well projecting town but inside of it they have also both reinforced my suspicion that they're teammates by the way they've dealt with each other.
I don't think she has interacted with me much at all this game iirc, but I like to drop reminders to her that she doesn't have to hate herself when she plays this game so she can relax more and play with more clarity. with the way she has responded to some pushes and questions I see it as sabi town meta and I'd like for her to be happier playing this god forsaken game because I don't want her to drown when it's only day 2

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:26 pm
by Stupid Sexy Flanders
MacDougall wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:11 pm
Porscha wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:18 pm I have never seen someone as either alignment handle their situation as well as porscha is. It's insane. Not a drip of snark or sorrow. No negativity. Good humour. My gosh. We could all learn from Porscha.
i'm blushing uwu (unsure of what we are learning tho)
How to handle being suspected in a game of mafia with dignity and not hurting people's feelings?
No, I just signed in and had notifications, so I checked them.
And Porscha was mean to me, twice. I totally deserved it, and completely bought her tone, but Porscha -

I CAN COUNT, AND ADD.

So she's not the angel you claim, but I'm happy to stay on Wilgy and am leaning more null / townish on Porscha now.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:26 pm
by EnderWiggin
Achromatic wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:25 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:20 pm
Achromatic wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:02 pm
Sabiplz wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:59 pm What's wilgy case since I don't feel comfy in Porscha. Sell me on wilgz
Sabi a question. Early day 2 dizzy said they were exaggerating their read of you day one and I put a post together saying this felt wrong. Did you have any suspicion of that back track by dizzy?
The fact that it was an exaggeration was clear to me.

On D1.

Pls.
...

Hrm

[VOTE: ender] aubergine

See you folks tomorrow.
I would recommend you reconsider your ability to read people who aren't fully serious all the time because that seems to be your biggest problem here.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:27 pm
by Porscha
MacDougall wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:40 pm
Achromatic wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:36 pm The reason I told Sabi earlier I wanted to chop Porscha was because I had specific reason to feel like they were paired. Rondo has had similar pings. They've both done well projecting town but inside of it they have also both reinforced my suspicion that they're teammates by the way they've dealt with each other.
Theatre?
Without going into detail. I felt like Sabi's main goal today has been to figure out who outside of Porscha is viable and her emotionally heightened state is a reflection of desperately not wanting to lose her last teammate.

Porscha has been super townie sounding but has been focused on Sabi, questioning why people think of Sabi the way that they do etc... then just now she snuck her into the towncore.
it was not snuck in, sabi was already in my own personal towncore:
Porscha wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:30 am alright good news is I didn't skip anything

bad news is I did almost of this reading while high and it is now past 3am

here is quick group list before I sleep

Pretty equally TR'D:
mac - fuck you guys I'm never rescinding this read out of spite
lucy - think the interactions with tommy just spew them town and regardless of that, lucy strong TR for me on their own merit
rondo - pretty sure i'm seeing town rondo repeatedly right now. strong on brand rondo
sabi - can't explain it just obv town sabi for me

TL:
nook - casual self
vivax - confuses me sometimes but seems genuine
wilgy - think day 1 reads are a little wack but the way he went about attempting it came off as t!wilgy to me
dizzy - seems confident and playing on brand

Unsure leveled into POE:
achro - makes a few good points but their interactions with others from a broader viewpoint kinda throw me off and I almost feel like there is an agenda that I can't put my finger on, unsure if hallucinating at this point
flanders - ate a little towny but hate the tunnel on me for IRL reasons out of my control. aggressive is not generally the motto for t!flanders in my experience
seanzie - playstyle meta tells me town, low-post-count-meta tells me not town, need to see more
ender - agreed with mac that ender usually has a certain way about him when he's town that isn't really being exhibited here and it may be alignment indicative
NAA - never knew what to do with NAA, never will, just always okay with this slot being yeeted until further notice

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:28 pm
by MacDougall
Porscha wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:25 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:36 pm The reason I told Sabi earlier I wanted to chop Porscha was because I had specific reason to feel like they were paired. Rondo has had similar pings. They've both done well projecting town but inside of it they have also both reinforced my suspicion that they're teammates by the way they've dealt with each other.
I don't think she has interacted with me much at all this game iirc, but I like to drop reminders to her that she doesn't have to hate herself when she plays this game so she can relax more and play with more clarity. with the way she has responded to some pushes and questions I see it as sabi town meta and I'd like for her to be happier playing this god forsaken game because I don't want her to drown when it's only day 2
very fair

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:28 pm
by Stupid Sexy Flanders
Theres no way I can catch up tonight, so I'm not gonna try.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:28 pm
by EnderWiggin
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:51 pm it's within his range, i mildly tr his tone but almost always refuse to tr him early to midgame without pelts
Well, 1. I had Tommy in my D1 POE, 2. Help me actually get my pelts or I'll look sad over here pushing people on my own.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:29 pm
by RondoDimBuckle
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:23 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:31 pm
Achromatic wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:21 pm Sabi/sean/mac/axe/dizzy/wilgy

Is this correct then?

Leaving your current null to meh completely at

Achromatic
Lucy
Rondo
Flanders
Vivax
Ender
Porscha

Correct?

I will say this your town list certainly does not come off as predatory as you are shielding lhf which is generally a good sign depending on how you push whoever you decide to push.
Looks right
Nanook, really?
what do you see wrong with this picture?

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:30 pm
by EnderWiggin
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:29 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:23 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:31 pm
Achromatic wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:21 pm Sabi/sean/mac/axe/dizzy/wilgy

Is this correct then?

Leaving your current null to meh completely at

Achromatic
Lucy
Rondo
Flanders
Vivax
Ender
Porscha

Correct?

I will say this your town list certainly does not come off as predatory as you are shielding lhf which is generally a good sign depending on how you push whoever you decide to push.
Looks right
Nanook, really?
what do you see wrong with this picture?
Too many brushstrokes around the grass, not enough about the riverside.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:31 pm
by EnderWiggin
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:00 pm im generally wary of "mafia would be demotivated here" reads
I think this is the first one in this string I actually like from Nanook.

Also second this.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:31 pm
by RondoDimBuckle
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:28 pm Theres no way I can catch up tonight, so I'm not gonna try.
booo [VOTE: Flanders ] aubergine

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:32 pm
by MacDougall
[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:32 pm
by RondoDimBuckle
MacDougall wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:32 pm [VOTE: Rondo] aubergine
fair, I guess

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:34 pm
by EnderWiggin
Seanzie wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:36 pm
Achromatic wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:49 pm Got it. Moving along... I felt enders interaction with me yesterday from very solvey and genuine early day 1 and that is why they are on my town list. Can you look through how they treated and interacted with me to tell me if you think this is ai or not?
I've recently come to the conclusion that everything you've said about Ender should actually point to wolf!Ender not town!Ender so I'll go take a look at them.
ISO didn't move me as much as I'd like on Ender, but I'mma go ahead and say Mac pointing out that Ender is a little sus for not being sus did hit in the right spot as like that's exactly what I was looking for.

Ender does get a bit more... uhh... difficult? in a few posts after this, which could be reactionary. Nothing to write home about though.
Does no one realise the fact I can be not sus as wolf means I'm 100% capable of it as town or is everyone just ignoring that for their pet scumread.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:34 pm
by robyn
MacDougall wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:32 pm [VOTE: Rondo] aubergine
Tommy spewed rondo town, he's lock town imo

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:37 pm
by MacDougall
lucy wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:32 pm [VOTE: Rondo] aubergine
Tommy spewed rondo town, he's lock town imo
Show me

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:37 pm
by RondoDimBuckle
lucy wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:32 pm [VOTE: Rondo] aubergine
Tommy spewed rondo town, he's lock town imo
yeah but he is reeling right now at the fact I town read him too hard that he thinks I might have TMI which is a reaction from him I would expect and dont disagree with. I dont hate this from Mac it only shows him more town. He expects me to go into full derp mode or anti-spew here but nothing he does will make me flip my town read on him.


I have a tell

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:38 pm
by MacDougall
thats not it

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:40 pm
by Seanzie
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:34 pm
Seanzie wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:36 pm
Achromatic wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:49 pm Got it. Moving along... I felt enders interaction with me yesterday from very solvey and genuine early day 1 and that is why they are on my town list. Can you look through how they treated and interacted with me to tell me if you think this is ai or not?
I've recently come to the conclusion that everything you've said about Ender should actually point to wolf!Ender not town!Ender so I'll go take a look at them.
ISO didn't move me as much as I'd like on Ender, but I'mma go ahead and say Mac pointing out that Ender is a little sus for not being sus did hit in the right spot as like that's exactly what I was looking for.

Ender does get a bit more... uhh... difficult? in a few posts after this, which could be reactionary. Nothing to write home about though.
Does no one realise the fact I can be not sus as wolf means I'm 100% capable of it as town or is everyone just ignoring that for their pet scumread.
Orr...

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:41 pm
by EnderWiggin
As I read I grow more certain Vivax is scum. There's just something wrong with his posts that catch me every time I see them.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:41 pm
by EnderWiggin
Seanzie wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:40 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:34 pm
Seanzie wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:36 pm
Achromatic wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:49 pm Got it. Moving along... I felt enders interaction with me yesterday from very solvey and genuine early day 1 and that is why they are on my town list. Can you look through how they treated and interacted with me to tell me if you think this is ai or not?
I've recently come to the conclusion that everything you've said about Ender should actually point to wolf!Ender not town!Ender so I'll go take a look at them.
ISO didn't move me as much as I'd like on Ender, but I'mma go ahead and say Mac pointing out that Ender is a little sus for not being sus did hit in the right spot as like that's exactly what I was looking for.

Ender does get a bit more... uhh... difficult? in a few posts after this, which could be reactionary. Nothing to write home about though.
Does no one realise the fact I can be not sus as wolf means I'm 100% capable of it as town or is everyone just ignoring that for their pet scumread.
Orr...
Or?

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:42 pm
by EnderWiggin
Achromatic wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 8:51 pm Vivax shouldn't give up on the dizzy dream tbh
With the exception that Achro w/w with Vivax wouldn't post this but this feels like egging a town on.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:42 pm
by MacDougall
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:41 pm As I read I grow more certain Vivax is scum. There's just something wrong with his posts that catch me every time I see them.
can you be more persuasive

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:43 pm
by EnderWiggin
MacDougall wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:42 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:41 pm As I read I grow more certain Vivax is scum. There's just something wrong with his posts that catch me every time I see them.
can you be more persuasive
Idk guv, I got tree fiddy.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 1]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:44 pm
by robyn
Tommy wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:56 pm
Sabiplz wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:54 pm btw this day 1 is always ending in dead rondo no matter what
Explain beloved
rondo as town = disruptive, difficult to understand, causes town to wolfread him, gives wolves cover
rondo as wolf = disruptive, difficult to understand, causes town to wolfread him, gives wolves cover
Whats rondo

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:44 pm
by EnderWiggin
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:06 pm Catching up I can see a Nook + Archo world anyone else seeing that?
Only you can save yourself from alcoholism.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 1]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:45 pm
by robyn
Tommy wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:30 pm Ohhh rondo is a player

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:45 pm
by EnderWiggin
I just read through 4 different teams thrown out by Rondo.

Rondo stop.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:46 pm
by robyn
I've know him for 5 years and I'm 18 now lol, I've seen him do that exact phrasing numerous times

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:46 pm
by MacDougall
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:42 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:41 pm As I read I grow more certain Vivax is scum. There's just something wrong with his posts that catch me every time I see them.
can you be more persuasive
Idk guv, I got tree fiddy.
helpful, thanks

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:46 pm
by robyn
that phrase is natural and it couldn't happen if rondo was teamed, rondo lock town

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:46 pm
by RondoDimBuckle
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:45 pm I just read through 4 different teams thrown out by Rondo.

Rondo stop.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:47 pm
by MacDougall
lucy wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:46 pm I've know him for 5 years and I'm 18 now lol, I've seen him do that exact phrasing numerous times
and he'd never do it to a teammate?

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:47 pm
by EnderWiggin
Also Lucy is lock town imo and therefore I'm also townlocking Rondo and he can't do shit about it.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:48 pm
by EnderWiggin
Achromatic wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:41 pm Pop quiz

Who has posted more content today dizzy or porscha
And this is important why?

Dizzy literally stated they were at a Festival today.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:49 pm
by robyn
MacDougall wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:47 pm
lucy wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:46 pm I've know him for 5 years and I'm 18 now lol, I've seen him do that exact phrasing numerous times
and he'd never do it to a teammate?
he'd know what a rondo was, therefore he wouldn't phrase it like that, and he phrased it the way that makes him lock instead of lesser confirmed

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:49 pm
by EnderWiggin
Like if your Dizzy case is "They haven't done much today" when their first post for the day was "I'm at a festival for today idk how much time I'll have"

Then you need to relearn scumhunting sorry I don't make the rules.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:52 pm
by RondoDimBuckle
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:49 pm Like if your Dizzy case is "They haven't done much today" when their first post for the day was "I'm at a festival for today idk how much time I'll have"

Then you need to relearn scumhunting sorry I don't make the rules.
Are you saying there are 0 worlds where Dizzy is Scum or you really dont think they are? Because I am leaning towards the only world where you are wolf is if Dizzy is too.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:53 pm
by EnderWiggin
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:00 pm Just to be clear this isnt an OMOGUS vote. I genuinely think someone shouldnt be this unhappy in this thread state. I think Sabi is a hit. I could be wrong and I will sheep Mac if he tells me to move
...

Rondo.

What have I told you about emotive reads.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:54 pm
by RondoDimBuckle
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:53 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:00 pm Just to be clear this isnt an OMOGUS vote. I genuinely think someone shouldnt be this unhappy in this thread state. I think Sabi is a hit. I could be wrong and I will sheep Mac if he tells me to move
...

Rondo.

What have I told you about emotive reads.
They are not alignment indicative and they are bad and I should feel bad :|

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:54 pm
by EnderWiggin
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:52 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:49 pm Like if your Dizzy case is "They haven't done much today" when their first post for the day was "I'm at a festival for today idk how much time I'll have"

Then you need to relearn scumhunting sorry I don't make the rules.
Are you saying there are 0 worlds where Dizzy is Scum or you really dont think they are? Because I am leaning towards the only world where you are wolf is if Dizzy is too.
There is a world where Dizzy is a wolf, and has taken advantage of what I've said about their play to work out part of how I read them.

However their nuance on reads D1 and the whole "Talked into scumreading Tommy" thing doesn't read as scum!Dizzy.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:54 pm
by EnderWiggin
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:54 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:53 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:00 pm Just to be clear this isnt an OMOGUS vote. I genuinely think someone shouldnt be this unhappy in this thread state. I think Sabi is a hit. I could be wrong and I will sheep Mac if he tells me to move
...

Rondo.

What have I told you about emotive reads.
They are not alignment indicative and they are bad and I should feel bad :|
Yes.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:55 pm
by robyn
how long have you two known one another for

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:55 pm
by EnderWiggin
Also I fully see Sabi getting mad at being called a child no matter what alignment they are.

That's kinda insulting as town OR mafia.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:56 pm
by EnderWiggin
lucy wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:55 pm how long have you two known one another for
5ish years. I've played a lot of mafia and social deduction games with Rondo IRL. I introduced him to forum mafia.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:56 pm
by robyn
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:56 pm
lucy wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:55 pm how long have you two known one another for
5ish years. I've played a lot of mafia and social deduction games with Rondo IRL. I introduced him to forum mafia.
how'd you meet

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:57 pm
by EnderWiggin
Sabiplz wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:03 pm I'm mad at myself because everyone seems like they have a solid grasp at this game and I don't.
No one does. Everyone is pretending.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:57 pm
by RondoDimBuckle
lucy wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:56 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:56 pm
lucy wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:55 pm how long have you two known one another for
5ish years. I've played a lot of mafia and social deduction games with Rondo IRL. I introduced him to forum mafia.
how'd you meet
sexually

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:58 pm
by EnderWiggin
lucy wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:56 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:56 pm
lucy wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:55 pm how long have you two known one another for
5ish years. I've played a lot of mafia and social deduction games with Rondo IRL. I introduced him to forum mafia.
how'd you meet
IRL. You'll forgive me for generally not liking to share a lot of specifics online.

We didn't meet doing social deduction games/mafia, that was more something we stumbled into realising we both liked.

Re: ASMRfia [DAY 2]

Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:00 am
by EnderWiggin
NotAnAxehole wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:08 pm With the disclaimer that I haven't read 99% of posts in the thread, this is my list of optimal chops in no particular order (anyone off the list isn't viable for today):

Enderwiggin
Porscha
Achromatic
Vivax
DrWilgy

Each have pros and cons, and variable amounts of information potential.
I actually don't hate this list.

Axe can have tentative town points.